Airport screening, going wayyyy too far.

[shortround]

My view is the people who live in fear of being killed by terrorists should stay home and let the rest of us go about our daily business without being harrassed so that they can live in the illusion of safety. The world is not a safe place. Deal with it. Those who are too scared to fly without a scrotum check should not fly.

Edited November 17, 2010 by shortround

[K191145]

Wow. Just wow.

When I read these responses, it makes me really appreciate the people in American history who just wouldn't sit down and shut up and go along to get along. I just went to see the Hermitage this past Saturday with a couple friends. Andrew Jackson had some serious flaws (for example, the Trail of Tears abomination, and his approval of chattel slavery), but the guy would rather die than roll over. He was nearly assassinated for his fight against the Second Bank of the United States. Read this quote attributed to him:

"You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the eternal God, will rout you out."

Would that we had more with his fighting spirit.

Thank you and the others for showing me that there's still patriots that care about our rights. I was also shocked when I read those, "shut up and take it" responses. I didn't expect that on this forum. That's what Janet Napalitono is telling everyone to do, shut up and take it. Of course she doesn't have to go through security when she flys, she just expects the lower class peasants to be molested and assualted.

[Glenn]

I heard yesterday that the TSA is considering giving Muslim women a pass on the full body scanners and the pat downs because it is insulting to them. Now THAT is insulting.

Glenn

[FUJIMO]

:popcorn:

[TGO David]

4th Amendment

Hmm sure seems to be flying without having a naked picture of my body, or somebody sexually assaulting me or my wife is a god given right. Remember this is a government agent doing this, not a private company.

What happens when this comes to buses, trains, and checkpoints crop up along the Interstate? We don't have a god given right to move around freely as we wish without being molested by government agents?

The TSA has been going way over the line since the day it was started, it's nice to see the American people waking up to it...

BTW, the totaly number of terrorists or terrorists attacks stopped by the TSA in 10 years - 0! The number of people killed because people tried to drive instead of fly to avoid the TSA - ~5,000

The terrorists already won.

Agreed.

[peejman]

While I don't necessarily agree with the pat down procedures, I hope you all continue flying on a regular basis. It's crucial to my continued employment.

[K191145]

I heard yesterday that the TSA is considering giving Muslim women a pass on the full body scanners and the pat downs because it is insulting to them. Now THAT is insulting.

Glenn

The terrorists already won.

Then it is truely a victory for jihad.

THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

I wondered about Muslim women in veils and burkas complaining about scans and pat downs being offensive to their Islamic beliefs, and being given a pass because this administrations policy of appeasing and apologizing to radical Muslims that murdered thousands of American citizens on Sept. 11th.

[Garufa]

Religion Offers No Break on Airport Screening, TSA Says - FoxNews.com

[K191145]

Religion Offers No Break on Airport Screening, TSA Says - FoxNews.com

Field Marshall Napolitano it seems was considering it, for Muslims only of course. And of course with the blessing of the Fuhrer.

OMG… Big Sis Considers Giving Exemptions to Muslim Women at Airports (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Edited November 17, 2010 by K191145

[Guest DMasterson]

Here's another interesting article: Did you know that the nation's airports are not required to have Transportation Security Administration screeners checking passengers at security checkpoints?

Totally worth a read: Amid airport anger, GOP takes aim at screening | Washington Examiner

TL;DR: Each Airport can opt-out of using TSA and substitute a private contractor to perform screening in their place and federal funding will cover it.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Sadly,, DMasterson, the TSA would probably mandate even more stupid tricks for the private contractor to meet for a "safe" rating on that specific airport...

[JayC]

Field Marshall Napolitano it seems was considering it, for Muslims only of course. And of course with the blessing of the Fuhrer.

OMG… Big Sis Considers Giving Exemptions to Muslim Women at Airports (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Anybody else notice when the field marshall was introducing the full body scanners, she didn't go through it... but had a bunch of volunteers go through instead? Seems very odd doesn't it?

[K191145]

Anybody else notice when the field marshall was introducing the full body scanners, she didn't go through it... but had a bunch of volunteers go through instead? Seems very odd doesn't it?

Well of course, she's part of the elite royalty and everybody else are common peasants. Also that would have been cruel to the scanner reader if she had been scanned.

I thought this was interesting.

Why Is Michael Chertoff So Excited About Full-Body Scanners?

But when Chertoff launched into his pitch for full-body scanners on Campbell Brown tonight, we learned that he is paid by the very companies who make the penetrating devices:

[Guest oldsmobile98]

Rep. Duncan speaks out. Good on him!

Oleg Volk made this image. Lulz!!

[daddyo]

BFD. I got patted down in MT last week. Get over it.

That's how it begins.

[Armed Aviator]

Thank God I have an Airplane. It may be a little more expensive for me to travel longer distances, but I'm not putting up with this crapola. Help me pay for gas, I'll fly ya! Oh yeah, HCP permit holders . . . Carrying is required

[mikegideon]

Thank God I have an Airplane. It may be a little more expensive for me to travel longer distances, but I'm not putting up with this crapola. Help me pay for gas, I'll fly ya! Oh yeah, HCP permit holders . . . Carrying is required

I may take you up on that, if you promise not to grab my junk before I get on the plane

Of course I'll bring guns! Nothing better than flying armed

[East_TN_Patriot]

It's interesting to see the comments where people have no problems giving up their 4th amendment protections for "safety," but I suspect that they will defend their 2nd Amendment rights tooth and nail even though gun grabbers use the same logic that gun regulations are needed for our "safety." Sad state of events in the US.

9/11 was carried out by terrorists who specifically tailored their methods to work in accordance with established policies at the time, and their box cutters would be detected by a simple metal detector. Since then, all of the attempted terror attacks originated overseas (Paris, Amsterdam, and Yemen). Many pilots are now armed, cockpit doors are locked, undercover Air Marshals are on more flights, and (most importantly) passengers won't allow any terrorist attack to be carried out without a fight. Terrorists know this, which is why the latest attack involved cargo. With all of the factual information proving that these scans, pat downs, and handling of peoples private areas are not based on any real-world need, it blows my mind that people are so willing to throw away their right to travel around our nation free from government intrusion. Now we are being told that just by showing up at the airport at all, we can be subject to a TSA search. Go with your spouse or kids to see them off or meet them on arrival? You can be subject to a search. Where is this going to stop??? Do we subject ourselves to vehicle searches on the road leading to the airport? Don't laugh; it happened in the months following 9/11. Wake up people! Whenever we are willing to give up our liberty in the name of safety, we are opening a door that we can't close very easily.

[K191145]

It's interesting to see the comments where people have no problems giving up their 4th amendment protections for "safety," but I suspect that they will defend their 2nd Amendment rights tooth and nail even though gun grabbers use the same logic that gun regulations are needed for our "safety." Sad state of events in the US.

9/11 was carried out by terrorists who specifically tailored their methods to work in accordance with established policies at the time, and their box cutters would be detected by a simple metal detector. Since then, all of the attempted terror attacks originated overseas (Paris, Amsterdam, and Yemen). Many pilots are now armed, cockpit doors are locked, undercover Air Marshals are on more flights, and (most importantly) passengers won't allow any terrorist attack to be carried out without a fight. Terrorists know this, which is why the latest attack involved cargo. With all of the factual information proving that these scans, pat downs, and handling of peoples private areas are not based on any real-world need, it blows my mind that people are so willing to throw away their right to travel around our nation free from government intrusion. Now we are being told that just by showing up at the airport at all, we can be subject to a TSA search. Go with your spouse or kids to see them off or meet them on arrival? You can be subject to a search. Where is this going to stop??? Do we subject ourselves to vehicle searches on the road leading to the airport? Don't laugh; it happened in the months following 9/11. Wake up people! Whenever we are willing to give up our liberty in the name of safety, we are opening a door that we can't close very easily.

+++1

Good point about vehicle searches. Far more people are killed by criminals in or using vehicles, or having their weapons in vehicles than terrorists kill on or with airplanes. Not to forget the deadly drunk driver. One might argue that you "don't have to drive" like a few have argued,"you don't have to fly". So if you have no privacy rights on your person in an airport then why should you have any privacy rights in your car on the highway.

Also, i'm glad you mentioned that the latest "attempts" at bringing a plane down DID NOT originate in the U.S. but some other country. As a matter of fact I can't remember anyone caught recently in the U.S. trying to enter an airplane with a bomb so the security measures they had before seemed to at least be a deterent. I don't think anyone complained about the metal detectors or even taking their shoes off because it wasn't personal, like security looking under cars with mirrors or peeking inside the window at some public event. It wasn't a real intrusion to privacy rights unlike forcing you to be radiated while taking a semi-porno photo of you and or groaping you like they do some criminal being arrested.

Oh yea, the last terrorist bomb attempt in the U.S. was a vehicle bomb on a NYC street so anyone okay with the airport security policy should also be okay with being pulled over in your car for no reason and you and your vehicle thoroughly searched with no warrant.

[JayC]

Just for the record, I refused to take my shoes off... taking your shoes off is entirely security theater and doesn't protect us at all, and I refuse to walk around on dirty public floors in my bare feet, or get my socks wet/dirty.

Much like the liquid ban.... a total waste of effort.

[Wyldk2]

www.wewontfly.com

It's not just the arlines but the scanners and tsa intrusive groping sessions will be at Bus depots, Train stations and Border checkpoints.

All in an effort to make us safer from terrorists right? It gets more and more like a police state with all these stories we are hearing.

But when you buy an airline ticket i have been told you are giving up some of your rights and have to endure the screening( whether or not we like it) or face a hefty fine of about $10,000.

Probably why i haven't flown in 15 years and have no intention of ever doing so, least until things get better. But if they gotta grope me, they better buy me dinner first. lol

[Guest rockbottom12]

what i dont get is this. If my goal is to blow up a plane in air i have an intention to take myself down with the plane. that being said what do i care if it is inside a body cavity since i intend to be killed in the process. People will do stunts like this for smuggling drugs. These scanners do nothing for what is below the skin. if the intention is there this wont even pretend to help, all it will do is offend people and violate our privacy.

[monkeylizard]

Thank God I have an Airplane. It may be a little more expensive for me to travel longer distances, but I'm not putting up with this crapola. Help me pay for gas, I'll fly ya! Oh yeah, HCP permit holders . . . Carrying is required

Air Terry: Not grabbing your junk since 1776

[Punisher84]

Air Terry: Not grabbing your junk since 1776

Hahaha nice

[K191145]

what i dont get is this. If my goal is to blow up a plane in air i have an intention to take myself down with the plane. that being said what do i care if it is inside a body cavity since i intend to be killed in the process. People will do stunts like this for smuggling drugs. These scanners do nothing for what is below the skin. if the intention is there this wont even pretend to help, all it will do is offend people and violate our privacy.

Back in 86 I broke my right femur, they inserted a rod through the top of the femur at the hip, inside the femur all the way to the knee, a big chunk of stainless steel that is about 16" long and slightly smaller in diameter than a dime. Months later I went to pick up my uncle at the airport. This was 1986 so I could go to the plane then to meet him but I had to walk through the metal detectors. They sent my crutcher through the x-ray scanner but I walked through undetected. I wanted to tell them I just got through with a pound of steel inside my leg but even then I thought they would harrass me if I did. Anyway, I thought a loyal dedicated terrorist who's going to commit suicide could have explosives inplanted inside their body, maybe to even look like some orthopedic device. That rod I had in my leg was big enough if filled with explosives could create a large hole in the airplane at 35K and you can easly get through the detectors with it. I'm sure the terrorists have already thought of this, and the body cavity method.

Odds are that some day a terrorist will take a plane down and there's nothing we can do to stop it, violating innocent peoples rights and treating them like criminals isn't going to stop them. Actually, I bet the terrorists feel like they score a victory everytime they scare Americans enough to forfiet their rights.