Why Work ??

[smokin45]

 Something to think about  :shrug:       

                     OBSCENE SALARIES ...

 

THE WORK ETHIC WE INHERITED GROWING UP HAS

FALLEN PREY TO THE 'WELFARE' SYSTEM’

 

The Cato Institute released an updated 2013 study (original

study in 1955) showing that welfare benefits pay more than

a minimum wage job in 33 states and the District of Columbia.

Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per hour in13 states.

According to the study, welfare benefits have increased faster

than minimum wage. It’s now more profitable to sit at home

than it is to earn an honest day’s pay.

 

Hawaii is the biggest offender, where welfare recipients earn

$29.13 per hour, or a $60,590 yearly salary, all for doing nothing.

It is very interesting, when most areas of the budgets whether

National or State are subject to cutting the welfare system seems

totally immune and actually provide increased benefits almost

annually.  A lot of this is the 47% that Romney referred to when

running for the Presidency and that Santa Obama counted on to

win the last election. 

 

Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent “salary”

that welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:

 

1. Hawaii: $60,590

2. District of Columbia: $50,820

3. Massachusetts: $50,540

4. Connecticut: $44,370

5. New York: $43,700

6. New Jersey: $43,450

7. Rhode Island: $43,330

8. Vermont: $42,350

9. New Hampshire: $39,750

10. Maryland: $38,160

11. California: $37,160

12. Oregon: $34,300

13. Wyoming: $32,620

14. Nevada: $29,820

15. Minnesota: $29,350

16. Delaware: $29,220

17. Washington: $28,840

18. North Dakota: $28,830

19. Pennsylvania: $28,670

20. New Mexico: $27,900

21. Montana: $26,930

22. South Dakota: $26,610

23. Kansas: $26,490

24. Michigan: $26,430

25. Alaska: $26,400

26. Ohio: $26,200

27. North Carolina: $25,760

28. West Virginia: $24,900

29. Alabama: $23,310

30. Indiana: $22,900

31. Missouri: $22,800

32. Oklahoma: $22,480

33. Louisiana: $22,250

34. South Carolina: $21,910

 

As a point of reference the average Middle Class annual income

today is $50,000, down from $54,000 at the beginning of the

Great Recession. Hawaii, DC, and Massachusetts pay more in

welfare than the average working folks earn there. Is it any

wonder that they stay home rather than look for a job. Time for

a drastic change. America is virtually bankrupt.

 

                                ____________________

 

Are we ‘nuts’ or what?

     How do we un-do this type of stupidity on the part of

     Americans?  This is pure lunacy.

 

But wait … it gets worse:

 

     The salary of a retired President is $180,000 For Life.

          Of course the list of other benefits is enormous.

 

     The salary of a retired member of Congress (i.e. House

          and Senate) is $175,000 For Life.  Pure stupidity!

 

And … It gets worse:

     The salary of the ‘Speaker of the House’ is $223,000

          For Life.

 

     The salary of the Majority/Minority leaders is $193,400

          For Life.

 

Now let’s do some comparisons:

 

     Average salary of a teacher …….. $40,065

     Average salary of a soldier

          deployed in Afghanistan …….. $38,000

 

Now check this out compared to one of the richest members

     of Congress:

 

     Nancy Pelosi will retire as:

1.    Congress person at $175,000 For Life.

2.    She has retired as Speaker of the House at

 a salary $223,500 For Life.

3.    When she retires from the Minority Leader

 she will receive $193,400 For Life.

     This means Nancy Pelosi one of the richest members

     of Congress will eventually retire on $591,900 For Life

     including FREE medical which is not available for a

     US citizen … you know the taxpayers who contribute

     to Pelosi’s obscene benefits.  And now understand, she

     is just one of the hundreds of members of Congress

     that floats in and out every year receiving these huge

     benefits.

 

Don’t you think that just maybe we the people have found

where budget cuts should actually be made?  And the US

Congress at the recommendation of the Obama regime

wants to cut our military capabilities but still retain their

unwarranted benefits.

 

 

 

=

       

[Sidinman]

I can't even say what I'm thinking,

[smokin45]

I can't even say what I'm thinking,

I'm with you where is the Equality!!

[MacGyver]

I don't get these email chains sometimes...

 

There's enough false information added to them that the whole email gets dismissed when the underlying data tells a story that's plenty damning in it's own right - maybe it's that for the first decade of this study, it was under Republican administrations?  Anyway - I'd encourage anyone to spend some time with the original source document:

 

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf

[sigmtnman]

Go Cato!  Libertarians FTW!

[Dolomite_supafly]

As much as I hate Pelosi I would like to see actual proof she receives $591k in retirement benefits. I suspect t it is a lot less.

[A.J. Holst]

Can you even afford to live in HI for a paltry 60k/year?

Social Security is broke yet some current and all future recipients pay in every month.

Welfare must be flush as it has been expanding since the war on poverty has been raging since LBJ and the great society. How many of those folks are paying in?

[runco]

Doc says I have to watch my blood pressure, this post sure isn't helping.  Posts like this is shortening my lifespan, and the US Economy needs me, I work and pay taxes!

[TrickyNicky]

As much as I hate Pelosi I would like to see actual proof she receives $591k in retirement benefits. I suspect t it is a lot less.

I would suspect you are correct.

Doesn't matter though, she's still a *****. :)

[sigmtnman]

I would suspect you are correct.

Doesn't matter though, she's still a *****. :)

 

Hottie?

[Dustbuster]

If the figures are correct that's some sorry ass shit. Someone should dig up some dirt and oust that useless cunt


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.

[Guest TankerHC]

I have to say, I have seen that plenty of places...but not here in Tennessee. Or at least not in Rhea County. year before last my BIL was laid off, permanently. He his wife and two kids went on food stamps while he was job hunting. (He is back to work and has been for a while), they received a small amount for 4 people and everything in the budget was tight. But, in order to collect those food stamps, he had to work. So every day he got up at 6AM and went to work at a dump. Never missed a day, and simultaneously my SIL had to get her GED and work (Volunteer) at the library. 

 

No way were they even coming close to some of those numbers above, not even the smaller numbers. In fact, they were absolutely struggling to make it through until he started back to work. 

 

Of course I may have missed it, but maybe that is why I dont see Tennessee on that list. 

 

BTW, in MD I have certain family members who are third generation Welfare recipients. And they do pretty well for two of those generations never having worked a day in their lives. They own a house, they have a couple of pretty nice cars and in the summer they go to Ocean City, while the rest of the family up there works their azzes off, these certain cousins have never worked. And do better than many I know who have worked and continue to work. So there is a certain amount of truth to the above, I have seen it. 

[MacGyver]

I have to say, I have seen that plenty of places...but not here in Tennessee. Or at least not in Rhea County. year before last my BIL was laid off, permanently. He his wife and two kids went on food stamps while he was job hunting. (He is back to work and has been for a while), they received a small amount for 4 people and everything in the budget was tight. But, in order to collect those food stamps, he had to work. So every day he got up at 6AM and went to work at a dump. Never missed a day, and simultaneously my SIL had to get her GED and work (Volunteer) at the library.

No way were they even coming close to some of those numbers above, not even the smaller numbers. In fact, they were absolutely struggling to make it through until he started back to work.

Of course I may have missed it, but maybe that is why I dont see Tennessee on that list.

BTW, in MD I have certain family members who are third generation Welfare recipients. And they do pretty well for two of those generations never having worked a day in their lives. They own a house, they have a couple of pretty nice cars and in the summer they go to Ocean City, while the rest of the family up there works their azzes off, these certain cousins have never worked. And do better than many I know who have worked and continue to work. So there is a certain amount of truth to the above, I have seen it.

Check out the source document above Tennessee is at the very bottom of the list.

[Lumber_Jack]

[quote name="MacGyver" post="1120424" timestamp="1394023486"]Check out the source document above Tennessee is at the very bottom of the list.[/quote] Definitely nothing desirable in those numbers for Tennessee. 17K per equivalent of $5/hr If I though I had to rely solely on that, disparity wouldn't be far behind. Praise God I have better options.

[MacGyver]

On a related note, Paul Ryan released the following report today on The War on Poverty: 50 years later .  It's worth reading.

[RobertNashville]

Are politicians in Congress and the White House and bureaucrats at most levels of government overpaid?

 

Probably.  However, whether they are or aren't is really just a value judgment and no something easily quantified and comparing them to "other" salaries like teachers or military members really only muddies the water.

 

Whether they are or aren't they really aren't the problem...the real problem is that the country is moving closer and closer to socialism and a welfare state.  The sad thing is that such a system cannot maintain itself; even Russia and China has figured that out yet we (and most of Europe) keep rushing headlong into the abyss.

 

I wish I though we could change things but I don't think we will...what I do think is that we'll have either a total or partial economic collapse and a lot of what is "wrong" with this country now is going to get washed out as those who currently don't work and have no clue how to take care of themselves or do real work will die off (one way or another).

 

I really hope I'm wrong, though.

[Guest TankerHC]

Definitely nothing desirable in those numbers for Tennessee. 17K per equivalent of $5/hr If I though I had to rely solely on that, disparity wouldn't be far behind. Praise God I have better options.

 

From what I observed it is less than 5 bucks an hour. When I say my BIL had to work, I dont mean he found a job, I mean in order to collect they told him where he would work and he did. Where he worked opened at 7AM and was usually closed after 5. And he worked some weeks 6 days. He didnt recieve a paycheck, that card was his check. If he was pulling 2 bucks an hour I would be surprised. 

 

That is the kind of thing that will make you WANT to find a job. As it should be. He didnt need prodding to find a job, and didnt disagree that he should be giving something back. 

Edited March 5, 2014 by TankerHC

[Spiffy]

Why work? Because Walmart don't take EBT for ammo........yet.

[sigmtnman]

"It's free, swipe yo EBT!"

[Jonnin]

even if we assume everything in that is true, which I am not sure of,  cost of living varies from one extreme to another across this country.  What I make in TN is a decent income that gets me a nice home, a working vehicle,  plenty of entertainment,  and a way of life that suits me.  

 

That same income in most big yankee or leftcoast cities would barely support me living in a dumpster.     I literally could not buy a home in CA or NY or HI or many other states, would not have a car,  might just barely have a very low income apartment in the bowels of the city.   Of course, if I were hired there at the current rates, my income would more than triple and I would be fine, but that is not my point.

 

60k in HI probably really IS below poverty level there, while here in TN, its a solid middle class wage.

[tnguy]

It appears that the state with the lowest income level is Mississippi

 

 

In Mississippi, the average household earned a median of just $35,693 per year in 2008 and 2009, 45% less than New Hampshire households and the lowest income of any state. Not surprisingly, it also had the highest poverty rate, with one in five households living under the poverty line.

 

Perhaps everywhere else you should get offered the same welfare level as Mississippi and the choice to either get by on it or get a free one-way ticket there.

 

(Or perhaps to any state if you think you can manage there)

Edited March 6, 2014 by tnguy