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I wouldn’t pay the high price for a drink if it wasn’t for effect. I would drink sparkling water and save my money for guns.

If this is a joke it's funny. If you actually did this ... God have mercy on your soul.

You dug up a 2 month old thread to critique someone's grammar? You stay classy, AWM.

Impossible. I've seen enough after school specials and cautionary tale movies to know this couldn't possibly be true in a million years. As someone who has never done coke I am clearly more qualified to make assumptions on its effects and addictiveness. I know for a fact that if I tried coke tomorrow I would instantly be compelled into a life of crime where I will abandon my family and commit criminal acts to feed my habit. Clearly it must be one extreme or the other, because to believe that there is anything existing in the middle is to accept that people are capable of making responsible choices despite the use of drugs other than alcohol. Pop culture has made clear this isn't true.

I am android all the way.

I don’t carry every day, although I almost always have access. But it’s probably because I don’t fear dying. I wouldn’t have got an HCP if Tennessee allowed vehicle carry. And that’s probably why they never will allow it.

I think the problem with this argument is that we are categorizing drugs by virtue of legality while arguing social impact. Grouping drugs by their level of danger would serve the argument better. Alcohol shouldn't enjoy a special pass because it happens to be legal. Actually, if you were to categorize based upon danger level, there are many drugs that would be considered more safe than alcohol. I'm not trying to beat up on alcohol use, don't mistake that. It is simply my sounding board to say that you can't claim special status for alcohol and point the finger at those other "evil" drugs. It is a mistake to cast marijuana into the group with crack, meth, PCP, or whatever. Doing so attempts to give the ability to dismiss it as one of those evil (more dangerous) drugs. It is not. If you say it is, I would guess you really don't have much experience with it. It is not nearly as dangerous as the previously mentioned drugs, or dare I say, alcohol. Yes, I know many people who smoke MJ and are very productive, family oriented, and caring people. My father is one. He's worked very hard since he was young. 30 years in the oilfields, another 20 as a cattle rancher. It helps him with the pain of hard work and makes his day a little more enjoyable. He's raised a family, been faithful to his wife, generous to his friends and family, and has a solid moral character. Just like I can't say that every person who takes in alcohol is an abusive alcoholic, though I've known several. You can't paint a wide brush and say every person who does some other drug besides alcohol is some degenerate.

How it tastes most certainly does matter because it goes to the heart of both how and why alcohol is used by most people compared how and why illegal drugs are used by most of those who use them. You can chose to not see the difference between the two but the differences are there nonetheless. It would be absurd were anyone arguing that position fervently but no one is. I’m pointing out differences between how and why most people use alcohol (over half the population of the U.S. and some 2 billion people worldwide) vs. how/why most illegal drugs are used. I’ve said more than once in this thread that while I probably wouldn’t propose such a change I can see how making all “illegal†drugs “legal†is in keeping with the concepts of individual liberty, freedom and responsibility; I am not sure that doing so is a good idea nor do I really believe that doing so would reduce gang related crime (which is how this dead horse beating got started) but I’d probably go along with it. As with many if not most substances in life (you can actually kill yourself if you drink too much water in too short a period of time). Of course, alcohol is dangerous if it is misused/abused but unless I missed it no one has said otherwise. Really? I may be misinformed but I’ve not seen reliable evidence to show that there are very many casual, responsible users of heroin or of cocaine or of crack or of meth or of most any other illegal drug...I would suggest that's why most of the illegal drugs are illegal. Maybe you've seen evidence I haven't or maybe you know some people who use such drugs “responsibility†but as I said, I've not see that assertion supported with real evidence and it certainly hasn’t been my personal experience.

This. $500 gun + $500 in parts does not equal $1000 gun.

Real close to your budget, I just recently picked up a Sig 716. Fantastic shooter right out of the box with iron sights. I imagine it will be awesome when I put some optics on it.

It doesn't matter what it tastes like. It is a drug. Thankfully for us, society has saw fit to allow us to partake. Notice I said "allow". This is the flaw in reasoning. It seems absurd to argue so fervently for the allowance of one drug and the denial of others based upon a personal preference. Alcohol is a dangerous drug and to say otherwise would be a pretty bold and unsupported claim. So what gives someone the right to say their dangerous drug of choice is okay to use, but someone else should not have that choice? Bringing in the gun ownership argument makes my point. I think automatic weapons should be legal to own without having to jump through hoops and pay exorbitant amounts of money to do so. Should we only allow .22 rifles to be owned? Should we only allow 5 shot magazines and only guns with a "sporting" use? Drugs are drugs. There is responsible drug use and irresponsible drug use. I've seen examples of both.

While that is a true statement; consider that, although tastes differ between people, most people would agree that alcohol in most of its forms tastes good...how many people shoot heroin or snort coke because it tastes good? The alcohol I drink complements certain meals and certain fine cigars I smoke...I don't think I could ever say the same about crack or meth. Clearly, some (and it is just some) people have problems with alcohol but the overwhelming majority of those who use alcohol use is responsibly so why shouldn't it be portrayed as desirable and acceptable? Those of us who enjoy firearms portray firearm ownership and use as fun and desirable and acceptable (as well as a God given right) - should we not do that because of the small percentage of gun owners who misuse their weapons?

Do you already have the tools to actually build it? Vice, armorer's wrench, punches, receiver vice block, torque wrench? If not you'll want to add those as well. Never heard of Roggio Aresenal or Aero Precision so i can't speculate on their products. The last time I went to build one it was going to end up being like maybe $60 more to just buy a fully assembled upper and fully assembled lower versus buying it all seperately and doing the assembly myself. I opted to let the builder do it for that price point.

Don't care what he's got in it. I'm not paying for someone else's modifications. They can leave them on or replace them with OE; I'm only offering the market value of the gun, not the accessories. If that's not to the seller's liking, he can keep it or do something else with it.

And a HUGE factor that you forgot to mention was Democrats/liberals crossing over during the primary polls to force the worst choice upon us. That is what has been the deciding factor of which candidate we get saddled with for several elections in the past 30 years. The Dems/libs play dirty. We need to have closed primaries to eliminate that manipulation.

I call Bovine Scatology on that...pray tall me, who, specifically, is "...sitting in jail right now who's only crime was trying to get weed"? Most states, including Tennessee, makes simple possession a misdemeanor and that's been true for a long time. Specifically... Any adults sitting in jail right now because of trying to get weed were either in possession of a ####load of it or there were other, serious, crimes in play at the same time. And for future reference, you'll almost never bring anyone over to your position by making wildly untrue, ridiculous statements. I know...I've tried it...it doesn't work.

I'll give him $475 for it! how in the world does he have 1250 sunk in a Glock?

I think the reason that happens is the pro legalization people are trying to get people to look at it objectionably. We already have one of the most dangerous drugs not only legal but celebrated. It is ironic and a little hypocritical to be ok with one and not the other. Alcohol is involved in most violent crimes. The conversation turns to it because it is a natural comparison. The problem is most anti legalization people become fluster with the debate when they are asked to explain why they get to be drug users (alcohol) or a very dangerous drug but yet do not believe others should be. Most violent crimes involve alcohol It is selfish and hypocrital to drink alcohol and say other drugs should not be legal.

The title mislead me

We haven't heard from Paletiger because he is waiting inline for the first one to arrive stateside.

It is all about imposing their morality on the world at large. It is a common affliction in this country. In fact, you can even see it all over our foreign policy. As a nation we suffer from a sever inability to mind our own damn business and leave other folks alone to mind theirs.

Even though my comment will stir up ####, the reason churches are against alcohol is it enables them to control the masses. (yep pun intended )

We had a guy crying before he even got sprayed. This guy was scared sh*tless. We held him down to spray him because he was going nuts. He gets a shot to the forehead and looks around, stops crying and starts laughing. He runs the course kicking the piss out of all of us and leaves without even washing it off. He was completely unaffected. One lucky guy to be that 1 in 100 to have no reaction. My old chief tells a story of using a baton on a guy for about 5 minutes with little to no effect. The guy even refused to go to the hospital afterwards.

I vote for the Beretta, if for no other reason than I always wanted one. I love the looks of the exposed barrel. It's a double stack and feels good in the hand. And it was good enough for the US military. So I'd lean to an M9

Prag, KY is the same. They issue a Concealed Deadly Weapons permit which allows the following. Any weapon from which a shot, readily capable of producing death or serious physical injury, may be discharged. Any knife other than an ordinary pocket knife or hunting knife. Billy, nightstick, or club. Blackjack or slapjack. Nunchaku karate sticks. Shiriken or death star. Artificial knuckles made from plastic, or other similar hard material.

If its just another for the collection, of choose the 92. Classic design, iconic gun, great shooter.

I purchased a 92 FS several years ago simply because it is the chosen sidearm of the US Military and I felt it prudent to own one. It is bulky for a 9mm P but functions very well and is very much a fun gun to shoot. I don't own an SR 40 or SR 40c but do have a SR9. After owning and shooting numerous Glock pistols I decided to field test the SR9. After shooting the Lc9, LCP and SR22 the SR9 is an excellent pistol that I am very pleased with. The SR40 has a slightly heavier slide but as with the Glock 22/17 uses the same frame which is slimmer than the Glock's. The Ruger SR9/SR40 have a better out of box trigger pull as well as aftermarket trigger parts but other accessories are not as avaliable as the Glock's. Look at a lot of different pistol's and try to shoot as many different one's as possible so that you can make an imformed choice.

I have some Glock repellant. It's made by Smith and Wesson.

And what's the deal with calling the Mormon religion a cult? I've heard that mouthed the last time Romney ran. I thought people were more tolerant than that? And why do you care? IF he's going to favor a religion while in office I'd much rather it be one where the believers don't want to behead you over being insulted.

Uh-huh. I read the letter. I've written letters like that. Fulsome praise for the opponent. . . . The letter is a mind-f c u k on the Obammunist. Pure and simple. Narcissist Obama is already cutting back on his debate prep 'cause -- He's. So. Good. There's a good chance that Romney can kick his ass with facts, because the facts of the last few years are ugly and tawdry. There's a Winston Churchill quote that applies: People say we ought not to allow ourselves to be drawn into a theoretical antagonism between Nazidom and democracy; but the antagonism is here now. It is this very conflict of spiritual and moral ideas which gives the free countries a great part of their strength. You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. On all sides they are guarded by masses of armed men, cannons, aeroplanes, fortifications, and the like — they boast and vaunt themselves before the world, yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts; words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home — all the more powerful because forbidden — terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic. They make frantic efforts to bar our thoughts and words; they are afraid of the workings of the human mind. Cannons, airplanes, they can manufacture in large quantities; but how are they to quell the natural promptings of human nature, which after all these centuries of trial and progress has inherited a whole armoury of potent and indestructible knowledge?

I occasionally carry my Beretta 92fs, inside the belt, but outside pants. It's not too often that I carry it though, as it tends to poke and pinch.

I work in Jackson at the plant that makes this. We make all of them in the US. Edit - pic removed because it was removed by the hosted site and was requesting authentication from users over here.

Cocked, locked and Safety. I am clumsy and paranoid... Unlike my uncle, he was dyslexic and paranoid, he thought he was watching everybody...