Screwed Again

[Moped]

We were so close to having two of the three legs cut out from under the NFA, with the SHORT Act and the HPA, both being included in the Big Beautiful Bill, only to see it quashed by the partisan, APPOINTED, NOT ELECTED Senate Parliamentarian (Elizabeth MacDonough, appointed by Harry Reid in 2012). Rather than remove her from her position or at the very least override her decision, we are leaving her in place and amending the language in both Acts to zero out the tax stamp, but leave the draconian and very odorous registration requirements in place.
 

This is not what held my nose and voted for! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, three and four more times, shame on me. I’m to the point, I just cannot trust the Republicans anymore. 

 

[Pain103]

[Defender]

Seems to me that Republicans are just Democrat Lights.

[DJTC45]

The dismantling of the NFA will never happen, it's a useless tax but once they start to get the revenue it's like anything else when it comes to taxes and money. I feel it's an outdated rule, you should be able to buy them just like any other regular gun, fill out the dealer paperwork and pass the background check and walk out just like any other gun purchase. I'd be willing to pay for the stamp right then and there if you could do it like any other gun purchase, the only thing is if you decide to sell it to an individual like the classifieds, then I do believe you should go through a FFL Dealer to do so. Just my $.02.

[DHF]

I've called Senator John Thune's office as well as our TN Senators as well as the senators from another state I have property in to express my disgust.  Will it do any good?  Well, not calling sure won't.  Remind Ms. Blackburn she wants to be our next governor (God help us) and we are sick of this BS federally & at the state level and are watching.

[Moped]

The number to call is 202-224-3121. The switchboard will switch to the Senator or Representative that you request.
 

Tennessee Senators are Marsha Blackburn and Bill Haggerty.

Tennessee Representatives are

• 1st district: Diana Harshbarger (R) (since 2021)
• 2nd district: Tim Burchett (R) (since 2019)
• 3rd district: Chuck Fleischmann (R) (since 2011)
• 4th district: Scott DesJarlais (R) (since 2011)
• 5th district: Andy Ogles (R) (since 2023)
• 6th district: John Rose (R) (since 2019)
• 7th district: Mark E. Green (R) (since 2019)
• 8th district: David Kustoff (R) (since 2017)
• 9th district: Steve Cohen (D) (since 2007)

You can forget calling Cohen. He is our ENEMY. Kustoff isn’t a very good friend to us either.

[Sleep profit]

Tim Burchett would be receptive I believe 

[krunchnik]

I called Thunes office and sent E-mails to Blackburn and Haggerty-

None of these may help but it sure won't help if nothing is said about it-

[Moped]

I’ve called and emailed Senators Marsha Blackburn and Bill Haggerty and Tim Burchett. Basically saying this.

Please pressure Senate Leader John Thune to remove Elizabeth MacDonough from her position of Senate Parliamentarian and restore the original wording for the SHORT Act and HPA to the Big Beautiful Bill. 
 

I have never been more disappointed in the RNC in my life! The RNC is in serious jeopardy of losing my vote in the coming midterms and possibly for good! 
 

I have also emailed John Thune basically saying the same thing and also posted the same thing on Twitter (X).

[BigK]

I don't believe there's enough suppressors and SBRs sold yearly for the tax revenue to be the reason it was removed. I don't believe the GOP ever expected it to pass from the get-go. I think they just put it in there to have a bargaining chip they were willing to concede on to get the rest of the bill passed. They only succeeded at making the Dems continue to look like the 2A enemies they are and they got to pose as our 2A allies for a few weeks.

[krunchnik]

1 hour ago, Moped said:

I’ve called and emailed Senators Marsha Blackburn and Bill Haggerty and Tim Burchett. Basically saying this.

Please pressure Senate Leader John Thune to remove Elizabeth MacDonough from her position of Senate Parliamentarian and restore the original wording for the SHORT Act and HPA to the Big Beautiful Bill. 
 

I have never been more disappointed in the RNC in my life! The RNC is in serious jeopardy of losing my vote in the coming midterms and possibly for good! 
 

I have also emailed John Thune basically saying the same thing and also posted the same thing on Twitter (X).

Voting for Democrats is a definite loser-

Just look at the disaster any Democrat run city or state leaves-

So not voting for the Conservatives is also not the answer-

[RED333]

The longer I live the more I wish I lived in the days of the past. The days when the Constatuon was the law of the land. When laws were not made up by the unelected. When the  legislator did not pass laws that punished us for the crimes of the criminal 

I believe as long as poor candidates are presented to us to vote we will never get back the rights we've lost. 

The second amendment was written in a way to cover everything, not just firearms.

[Alleycat72]

I'm a "let's go get TNT from the COOP so I can get rid of all the tree stumps " kind of guy. 

[BigK]

2 hours ago, krunchnik said:

Voting for Democrats is a definite loser-

Just look at the disaster any Democrat run city or state leaves-

So not voting for the Conservatives is also not the answer-

Agreed, lesser of 2 evils. I will say, however, that the time to vote your conscience is in the GOP primary. The moderate/RINO seems to keep winning the big nominations instead of the conservatives.

[krunchnik]

2 hours ago, BigK said:

Agreed, lesser of 2 evils. I will say, however, that the time to vote your conscience is in the GOP primary. The moderate/RINO seems to keep winning the big nominations instead of the conservatives.

This is true-

[Defender]

Someone educate me, please.  This parliamentarian dudette removed the part that took this stuff out of the NFA, but left in a reduction in the tax cost?  Why the hell do we even allow a lib to be in that position when. We control the senate?

[Moped]

58 minutes ago, Defender said:

Someone educate me, please.  This parliamentarian dudette removed the part that took this stuff out of the NFA, but left in a reduction in the tax cost?  Why the hell do we even allow a lib to be in that position when. We control the senate?

Great question!

[btq96r]

8 hours ago, Defender said:

Someone educate me, please.  This parliamentarian dudette removed the part that took this stuff out of the NFA, but left in a reduction in the tax cost?  Why the hell do we even allow a lib to be in that position when. We control the senate?

Senate rules.  Everything that can qualify for reconciliation, and get through with 50 votes because the filibuster isn't allowed has to be directly related to budgetary matters.  So the tax survived, but changing how the NFA classifies things can't happen that way.  People are screaming at the parliamentarian, but she's just reading the rules and calling it correct as the rules currently stand.

Now the kicker is, each chamber of Congress can set their own rules, so Republicans could change things, but that's risky.  It throws out a lot of norms the Senate keeps around to be more deliberative than the House, and would give the Democrats the same power when they eventually take over at some point to be determined.

It's also entirely possible the Republicans knew this was gonna happen and were a-okay with it. The tax stamp revenue is completely insignificant, even as an offset to ATF processing costs, so they're fine with that going.  But do you really think they want to eliminate or reduce the NFA?

[Defender]

4 hours ago, btq96r said:

Senate rules.  Everything that can qualify for reconciliation, and get through with 50 votes because the filibuster isn't allowed has to be directly related to budgetary matters.  So the tax survived, but changing how the NFA classifies things can't happen that way.  People are screaming at the parliamentarian, but she's just reading the rules and calling it correct as the rules currently stand.

Now the kicker is, each chamber of Congress can set their own rules, so Republicans could change things, but that's risky.  It throws out a lot of norms the Senate keeps around to be more deliberative than the House, and would give the Democrats the same power when they eventually take over at some point to be determined.

It's also entirely possible the Republicans knew this was gonna happen and were a-okay with it. The tax stamp revenue is completely insignificant, even as an offset to ATF processing costs, so they're fine with that going.  But do you really think they want to eliminate or reduce the NFA?

Thank you!.  But I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut that in previous reconciliation bills, in a dem LED senate, that had non budgetary items, it flew right through.

[btq96r]

43 minutes ago, Defender said:

Thank you!.  But I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut that in previous reconciliation bills, in a dem LED senate, that had non budgetary items, it flew right through.

If they did it likey was because Republicans didn't raise a point of order to call it out via the Byrd Rule.  But it's always a blury line when deciding if something is primarily a policy changes achieved through budget tweaks which should be a no-go in reconciliation, or firm budget items that get by. 

Since budget and policy are almost interchangeable as legislative affairs go, you can usually make an argument in some way, or save part of your intent.  The subject of this thread where the budget part (the tax) can be clearly separated from the policy (the rest of the NFA), is an example, and it's hard to say that take is wrong.

It's also worth noting, something disgustingly bloated like "The One Big Beautiful Bill" where Republicans had to give a lot of their members something personal to get a Yea vote because of the thin margins in each chamber is bound to have plenty that can be whacked off in reconciliation.

We're seeing the sausage to through the grinder into the casing.

 

[papa61]

From my emails to our Senators;

I am very disappointed in the US Senate allowing an appointed liberal to divert progress against the infringements on our God given right to keep and bear arms. The NFA of 1934 was written to combat a problem created by the US congress with prohibition. Specifically, making certain legal firearms illegal in an attempt to protect authorities from organized crime that grew powerful by making money smuggling alcohol. If we look at historic court rulings and Constitutional amendment, we can see that it is Unconstitutional to attach a fee, tax, or test to any Constitutionally guaranteed right. The NFA goes against the Constitution and needs to be overturned. It seems our court system while being protective of the right to vote, have a blind spot to "shall not be infringed" so it is up to congress to strike the NFA in it's entirety. Joe Biden was a liar, Cannons were perfectly legal for citizens to own. Our founders wanted the populace to be able to defend themselves and their country. Make it right.

[DHF]

We see this BS in our own state as well.  The Republican leadership here is giving it to us so hard that I'm sure the Democrats are jealous.