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[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351999551' post='838691'] I can't believe how many think discpline is hitting or spanking. My god I can teach a dog how to behave without hitting and children are much smarter. If your child tears pages from a book then that child is not ready for a book, just take it away until you can teach the child how to handle a book. When a child acts up find out why and change that. Don't change the child by hitting. When it gets to the point that you must hit a child to make them act as you want then maybe it is the spanker that needs some learning [/quote]I think it has become obvious as this point that you don't have children. I am going to politely request that you STFU. Maybe when you can pull your head out of you rectum, you will realize that the world operates on different frequencies for many different reasons. I am sorry that you feel the need to attempt to belittle or insinuate that we are all poor parents because you don't understand where we come from. Maybe you can find it in yourself to go and volunteer at some shelters for children without parents, or for those who have been taken away from their parents. Maybe then you will be able to understand the difference between discipline and abuse. Maybe go to a prison and perform a study and see how many there were raised without rules, with parents who weren't there, or those that were and they tried to 'reason' with their child as they grew. But frankly, until you live a week in a parent shoes, I want you to keep your ignorant tree hugging liberal opinions to yourself. Or at the very least not use me as an example when you get on your flawed and jaded soapbox.

[quote name='gun sane' timestamp='1352006037' post='838732'] I firmly believe that God loves righteousness and hates evil, therefore I pray that He will reward the man with the character most like His to be given the office for the next four years. [/quote] So, the office will be empty for the forseeable future?

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1352068556' post='839071']I still stick with spanking is just being lazy [i][b]no matter what anyone says[/b][/i]. [/quote] OK, we won't confuse you with any facts.

[quote name='zort' timestamp='1351985598' post='838524'] sorry to disagree with u all but i really dont think just anyone should carry. convicted felons, minors and people that dont know anything about guns shouldnt carry. id prefer to pass the parking lot bill and let permit holders have more rights to protect themselves and others. i like the stand your ground laws but just would feel uncomfortable with just anyone walking around with guns.[/quote] I understand your sentiments but I have to disagree. I started hunting with a firearm when I was about 9 or 10...started shooting before that...I didn't carry a weapon on me 24/7 nor do I think I should have - I agree that a minor shouldn't be carrying arms unless they have adult supervision (just like minors can't and shouldn't do a whole lot of things like enter into a contract, or vote, etc.) until they are no longer minors. As to people who "don't know anything about guns"....no one knows anything about guns until they decide to learn about them and that includes the most highly respected, most widely know "experts" alive today. As a practical matter, how are you going to decide who qualifies? A test? And if so, shouldn't we also require a minimum score on an IQ test for voting or proof of common sense before allowing people to breathe the air? Maybe everyone should be required to have a psychological evaluation before buying a gun or being allowed to have sex or being allowed to travel from state to state??? Frankly, I think criminals who have committed a violent crime should never be out of jail. Thus, their ability to go armed is moot. Other "felons" who's crimes were not violent and who have served their sentence should, I think, have all their rights restored, including the right to vote and to own arms. In other words, the problem with felons owning guns is not that felons own guns...the problem is a weak and ineffective system of punishment that allows career criminals back onto the street time after time after time who steel the guns of law-abiding people and/or buy them on the black market and then go out and commit more crimes (starting the revolving-door cycle all over again). Just a seat of the pants guess but I suspect that most crime would cease almost immediately if we kept the criminally minded locked up for most or all of their lives. I see no common sense in having restriction on some God given rights while having none on others. more importantly, the rights we talk about and claim are ours don't come from some government or government bureaucrat...they are the rights of all free men; given to us by our creator (or if a person doesn't believe in a creator, simply because they are men). Therefore, these rights should NEVER be infringed except under rare circumstances and only then after due process - the government, in the form of the judicial system and with the consent of the governed can take away any right, even the right to life but it should never be done lightly or unfairly. Bottom line is, and what has taken me a LONG time to learn, is that there is a price to be paid to have true freedom and individual freedom and we either know that and accept it or we don't. If we don't know it or know it but chose to not accept it then we inevitably move toward tyranny and oppression and the suppression of the individual for the sake of the collective. If we truly want to be free and have the greatest amount of personal liberty then we must accept the truth that stupid and/or unintelligent and uneducated people will vote, mentally deranged people will procreate, inept/uncoordinated/mentally handicapped people will drive a vehicle and cause accidents or even kill innocent people and some people who "shouldn't have a gun or who know nothing about guns" will buy one or steel one and do something terrible with it. We have to trust that MOST people will do the RIGHT thing if we want to live in a free society. If we cannot trust people to do that then the ONLY sensible alternative is a totalitarian government that controls everything we do and think and say.

[quote name='jcj' timestamp='1352076228' post='839144'] Hey Greg, you gonna be making those for other firearms? I might want one for a 1911. Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2 [/quote] Yup! Right now they are buy one, get one free.

Of course I’m going to watch it; those guys are heroes. I’ve had it set on the DVR of a few days now. If it’s a plug for Obama then I’ll be back to gripe and moan with everyone else. But I need to make that determination myself. There isn’t anything they could on TV that is going to change how I vote Tuesday. Come on guys…It’s a show about Seal Team Six…. Who would want to miss that? NatGeo… Politics?? No way...This is history.

[quote name='strickj' timestamp='1352049817' post='838915'] This guy isn't voting. I refuse to vote for a gun grabbing, pussy legislating ex-governor that left his state in economic ruins. And I see no reason to waste my time voting for O (or 3rd party) in this state with this winner take all EC system. [/quote] You are certainly entitled to your own opinions regarding voting, but you are not entitled to your own facts. I was in Massachusetts while Governor Romney was the sitting Governor of Massachusetts. He lowered the unemployment rate and he balanced the state budget, all the while working with a leftist Massachusetts Legislature that was 85% democrat. It's amazing that he got anything done at all. Regarding the gun legislation, Massachusetts got what Massachusetts wanted. I suppose he could have vetoed it, but the legislature always had the power to over-ride his veto. It's absolutely fine that you are not voting for President Romney . . . because you dislike his looks, or that he wears a tie, or he's been successful enough to be wealthy, or because you think he has too many kids and grandkids. But it's not accurate to call him a bad or failed governor. He was a very successful Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, in spite of all the odds.

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352047377' post='838891'] At least we won't have to do much killin', since others are even more prepared. I'm worried about Link though. Being in Memphis, he could easily be killed and eaten before he can reach for his Glock .[/quote] From what the Internet said about Memphis, you won't be able to tell that things have descended into anarchy.

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This has been a nail-biter of an election. Since I have already voted, it doesn't matter much what I think of one candidate or the other. I have now left the ultimate decision before God Almighty, Who gives authority and takes it away. I ask Him to weigh both candidates in the balance and judge their hearts. I firmly believe that God loves righteousness and hates evil, therefore I pray that He will reward the man with the character most like His to be given the office for the next four years. It's the best "not my will, but thine be done" kind of prayer I can muster. It also relieves me of a lot of anxiety, as I also believe that God will not forsake them that are His.

It's funny how the people that complain about spanking seem to have the worst behaving children. Short term pain and discomfort is the learning tool of life. Experiencing discomfort teaches humans to not do that again. Experience leads to wisdom. My parents tried grounding me from things I liked. I just learned to do without and moved onto something else. When I was spanked I learned quickly not to do that again (or at least not get caught). Every human is different. We all respond differently to different things. Some kids need a stern look and some need a stern swat on the rear. To try and make this one size fits all crap and "OMG you're ruining your kids chi" because you spank him is horsecrap. To this day, I learn a good portion of lives' lessons from pain. Children are no exception.

This story is just the beginning. If the truth hurts, bury it under bullsh!t. There will be a dozen conflicting stories and excuses, all designed to obfuscate the facts. There was an AC-130 Spectre and a drone overhead. There were combat air forces an hour out. There was a CIA station in town. There was ample prior warning, and several requests for security from the Benghazi mission. Obama was notified at the beginning of the attack, and he went to bed - needed to be well rested for the Vegas fundraiser the next morning. Doherty and Woods held out for what, 8 hours? More than enough time for an effective response. I'm betting the only confusion was caused by intermediate level commanders ordering rescues and then getting slapped down by NCA.

To honor our Veterans and show our appreciation and thanks for their service, there will be no charge for any veteran shooting our November match - the Thanksgiving Classic. We would love to see our squads filled with as many veterans as possible. We hope to see you all at the range. Please go to orsaap.com for match details and directions to the range. Stage descriptions should be up by the end of the week.

I've had this blade for a few months now and I've had the chance to put it through some hard work. I've been really impressed with this knife from BHK. It carries a pretty hefty price tag by my standards ($150), but it has been a real workhorse. It's made of O1 tool steel and seems to have excellent edge retention. It does require regular upkeep to prevent rust. Mine has formed a nice patina on the blade through some use. No problems with rust since I keep it dry and coated with some light lube when not in use. Here's a stock photo from BHK: [img]http://www.blindhorseknives.com/IMG_9461.jpg[/img] Here's mine (fresh from a sharpening, cleaning and oiling): [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qpMq4MtcF3U/UJcCIwMx8gI/AAAAAAAACQM/jco2pPxIeAs/s800/20121104_190044-1.jpg[/img]

This is one I built last weekend and hated. So I decided to drag it out of the scrap heap, throw away half the design and do something different. This is my favorite one so far. Its incredibly quick in the hand and as built as a combat quality bowie. The blade is hand forged 1084 steel, with a hidden tang design, a mild steel guard, and a seasoned oak handle. I plan to tong oil the handle this week. This one is for sale, but right now Im gonna spend the money to have an everyday carry style sheath built for it. Let me know what you think. Before the redesign [IMG]http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee356/tnplowboy07/2012-10-28_20-05-40_894.jpg[/IMG] Finished knife [IMG]http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee356/tnplowboy07/2012-11-03_11-17-52_594.jpg[/IMG]

Saiga is converted. Went with the Tapco stock for now. Seems to be ok. Magpul might be on order after my bonus comes in. Also bought 500 rds, a new rifle bag, 40rd mag, and a 30rd Tapco mag today. Ordered the wrong bullet guide so had to order another. [img]http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546828_10100269324415712_1210063274_n.jpg[/img]

Go T-Dog! That was a classy move from the guy. Really wish we had seen him do more in the show.

And T-Dogg goes out a hero.

[quote name='Slpeod' timestamp='1352082363' post='839214'] It's cheaper at this point to give them an EBT card than to incarcerate them. [/quote] Even cheaper to .... no, never mind...

E-Thugs - when talking crap in person is just too dangerous!

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1352068556' post='839071']Once you start off spanking youll prob stick with it much like people who smoke. You cant spank then do timeouts and expect them to work. I still stick with spanking is just being lazy no matter what anyone says. [/quote] To the first part, that isn't true. Want proof? I'm here. My son has only been spanked a few times. A LOT of criteria must be met before it gets to that level. Timeouts work great still. There are so many things we do to not only discipline him, but get him to make the choice to do right on his own by preemptively addressing issues that may come up, so that when they do he will do the right thing. This isn't done with spankings or threats of spankings. So presumptuous and close minded of you to adopt a belief structure without considering the possibility that intelligent people have thought this through. To the second part, I'll just stick to the belief that you're just a lazy thinker, and incredibly ignorant.

Dolomite, I am not smart enought to comment on most of your post except to agree that the smaller the standard deviation of a sample, all other factors being equal, the more accurate that load will be. when casting bullets, I weigh a random sample and compute the standard deviation of the sample. I then separate the bullets into groups by the amount of standard deviation. some folks use a one grain weight separation, but I have found that segregating the bullets into SD intervals insures uniformity and gives better accuracy in the rifles that most of us shoot, at the ranges that most of us shoot. By way of example, a couple of months ago, I cast several hundred bullets in a 200 gr. mold. The samples weighted from 194 grs to 204 grs in the sample. The standard deviation of the sample was 2.48 grs(rounded to 2.5). I then segregated the bullets into groups of 194 to 196.5 grs, 196.6 grs to 199 grs. and so on. This insured better accuracy that shooting the lightest bullet, 194 in the same shot group as the 204. Assuming that a little knowledge is dangerous, I do not pretend to be an actuary, but this method has imporved my accuracy in cast bullets.

I have some powder that has been around 20 years and still works just fine. I keep mine in cabinets in the garage. There are seasonal heat/cool variations, but nothing that has caused any degradation. I just opened an 8 pound jug of HP-38 that I bougth in 2002 (for $79.00!), It is working just great in my .45 loads. If you powder is bad, it will smell VERY bad.

I haven't had much luck with traps. I spread insecticide on my lawn to kill the grubs. You probably don't want to do this since you have a dog. What I've also done is watch the mole runs (morning and noon) with a shovel in hand and dig them up when I see them on the move, actually had the best luck doing this than using traps. Sometimes I will poke a stick in the tunnel and waited to see it move when the mole hits it. Or you can get your .22 out and pop them rather than conking with the shovel.

[quote name='Caster' timestamp='1352055894' post='838970'] Well, we all talk about sitting back on a rooftop wasting zombies to a preselected soundtrack. If they are good to their word, we'll get our wish. My only complaints will be all the cleaning I'll have to do on my rifle and all that brass I'll have to pick up, tumble, process and reload. Dangit! I just got caught up on my reloading!!! [/quote] I didn't think about a rooftop. The gutters will catch the brass. Thanks!

Well, we all talk about sitting back on a rooftop wasting zombies to a preselected soundtrack. If they are good to their word, we'll get our wish. My only complaints will be all the cleaning I'll have to do on my rifle and all that brass I'll have to pick up, tumble, process and reload. Dangit! I just got caught up on my reloading!!!

People that are on Twitter starting a riot. That’s funny as heck. [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/rollfloor.gif[/img] [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/bs.gif[/img]

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1352046825' post='838887'] Like I say, that’s a call for the cops when/if they come, and then for the DA if they want to prosecute. My point is that the under the domestic violence laws cops hands aren’t tied like they were years ago when DCFS had to handle everything. You hit your kid hard enough to leave a mark and I would have had no choice but to put you in cuffs and book you into the jail on domestic violence charges. I have been called to schools when the teachers found marks. The Judges and juries decide if its abuse or good parenting. It’s an emotional topic. Some people believe that violence is not a tool that should be used in training kids or animals (me), and most people don’t want to be called bad parents when they think they are doing the right thing. [/quote]First, thank you for trying to be calm and subjective in your disagreements. You are right. It is an emotional topic. But trying to explain what is right or wrong is not for you to judge either. Even if you do have that badge on your chest. If there are no marks, my daughter hasn't been harmed in any way other than alligator tears, who are you to tell me that my well behaved and adjusted child is abused, and that I am a parent who is not doing the right thing? I fall very far over the line of those that are convinced that there is not enough discipline in the world. From parents who ignore their child in the grocery store and drop them off at the school to be raised, to the judges that allow hardened criminals to plea down to time served in violent crimes. I suppose I am just flabbergasted when I see folks (again, that I must assume are not parents, since again, none of you have asserted that you in fact are) that are so solidly convinced that trying to raise a child to be polite, respectful and mindful of not only themselves, but others around them. I have lost count of the time that my daughter has looked at me when we are out an about, she will see a child somewhere throwing themselves in the floor, screaming, knocking things off the of the shelf, throwing a tantrum to end all tantrums. My daughter sees that, she looks at me and says "Gosh Daddy, I think he needs a whupping. Aren't you glad I don't act like that?" What my daughter doesn't see is the parent (usually a young mother) standing there watching their child act this way with mouth agape. After all, there is no way that it is her fault that Junior acts like this... I work with my child because I love her. And yes, she has been known to get a spanking. But something you limp wristed non-parents need to understand is that my daughter is actually whupped maybe once a year. Not every day several times from the time she wakes up till she goes to sleep a quivering mass of frightened and abused human. That makes it too easy to imagine me being a bad parent. After all, I confess that do do this horrible evil deed. I must do it daily. Dave, I am sorry if this came out heavily directed at you, I didn't mean for it to be. But as we admitted, this is an emotional topic.

[quote name='QuietDan' timestamp='1352045126' post='838868'] You forgot your "sarcasm" flag for the slow among us. [/quote] 'cause it was totally out of character for TMF

[quote name='mikegideon' timestamp='1352042309' post='838837']The National Guards ALWAYS shows up. It's common for them to lock down areas like barrier islands because that's where most of the real destruction happens. They locked down Perdido Key after Ivan. It's a GOOD thing.[/quote] No, clearly this is a case of the government attempting to strip rights away from people. That's what they do... wring their hands in dark smokey rooms, waiting for a natural disaster to happen so they can swoop in and do evil deeds.

The National Guards ALWAYS shows up. It's common for them to lock down areas like barrier islands because that's where most of the real destruction happens. They locked down Perdido Key after Ivan. It's a GOOD thing.

There is a difference between spanking and abuse, a BIG difference. The idea of trying to reason with a young child is idiotic. Try reasoning with a two, three or four year old. Most don't have the language skills at that age to understand what you are even trying to say, much less understand your reasoning as an adult. They have ZERO attention span so by the time you finish one sentence they have forgetten the previous one. And because of that short attention span they need something just as short to deal with their negative actions. A quick swat on the butt, that likely won't even hurt but will startle them, along with a stern voice is what it takes to break their attention span. Some kids only need a spanking or two to correlate the tone of your voice to something bad. Heck some kids only need a quick "bark" at them to startle them into correction. Then after that all the child needs is the same tone of voice to stop them from doing what they are doing. Children need to be disciplined, some more than others. If you don't then you are making sure your child will likely fail miserably in life. It is our job as parents to ensure our children are ready for the brutal world we live in. And that takes discipline as well as letting your child fail as often as needed to motivate them. If you try to make it seem like life is all flowers and rainbows then they are more than likely going to be a failure. I get sick of hearing "there are no losers and we are all winners" because the reality is there are losers and there are winners. If you raise a child to believe he is always a winner he will be a failure some day and when that day happens reality will crush him or her. There is nothing wrong with spanking as long as it is applied with love. It is when the parents do not care for the child or become so upset that they loose the love for their child that it will become abuse. Dolomite

The governor is collecting women and repopulating. My guess is he will try to find Rick's group and kill the men and take the women. Daryl and Merle have a conflict coming for sure. Daryl will either see his brother and want to be with him again, and at the same time, he will want to stay with the group. OR Daryl will stick solely with the group and try to kill anybody including Merle who threatens the prison.

[quote name='S&WForty' timestamp='1351990176' post='838566'] Crap. Does this mean I need to go to the range and practice shooting my pistols horizontally like a gangster? What color bandana am I supposed to wear? [/quote] Yellow/Gold with a Snake. Tie it on your left upper arm and it's a uniform under the Geneva Conventions.

[quote name='ThePunisher' timestamp='1351992810' post='838598'] Oh, they don't need to worry about anything, Obama is going to take care of them. He's their SAVIOR! [/quote] Funny how the liberal media and democrat politicians screamed about how Bush and FEMA were incompetent and killed blacks in New Orleans after Katrina and you don't hear much about how Obama and FEMA being usless in aiding the survivors of Sandy. As far as riots go, I really think there are many, not just blacks Americans but many hard core leftest in politics and the media who really want a rebellion if Romney wins. I've said before that many hard core liberals hate conservatives including republicans, libertarians and tea partyers more than they hate Bin Ladin or the Taliban or Al Quada, some I believe actually sympathize with Islamic terrorists but we are their most hated enemy. I think about the old saying, "careful what you ask for, you just may get it", I wonder how long into a nationwide mass riot/rebellion, caos, lawlessness, hunger and killings, untill they start begging for an end to it.

Realistically those that are going to loot are not going to travel outside of their own neighborhoods to do so. Looters can't loot unless they are on foot and they are not going to walk far. They are going to rob the liquor stores, cash advance places, pawn shops and the errant commuter in their own neighborhoods. As long as you let them do what they are going to do in their own neighborhood they will not venture out. I have zero worries about them coming to my house to loot. But in the event they do venture out, and into my neighborhood, they will no loot my belongings or my neighbor's. Dolomite

I don't know why it's illegal...hell, you can plant a food plot with "deer goodies from hell" and be legal. Drop one handful of corn on the ground..it's jail time! makes no sense to me!!! Dave S

I'm not particularly worried about a bunch of twitterers rioting in East TN. That would be a short-lived and painful endeavor for any angst filled wanna-be gangsters.

[quote name='S&WForty' timestamp='1351990176' post='838566'] Crap. Does this mean I need to go to the range and practice shooting my pistols horizontally like a gangster? What color bandana am I supposed to wear? [/quote] It all depends if you want to join the crips or bloods, I think crips wear blue bandana,s and bloods wear red bandana's. Wear a confederate flag bandana and you can shoot both crips and bloods.

[quote name='personDJ' timestamp='1351921541' post='838210'] spanking is hiting. And most of you believe in it because you were hit or spanked. You are hitting someone who has a brain that is not yet developed fully and it doesn't until about age 20 or so. [/quote] So discipline shouldn't be enforced on anyone until they're 20 or so? That may be the most asinine thing I've ever read.

[quote name='6.8 AR' timestamp='1351960265' post='838366'] It's not true except to the extent that it could change a very tight race into a decisive victory for Obama in that state, which in turn would give the electoral votes for a wrong choice. I have no problem with protest votes, but would you want Obama in this case? [/quote] I heard on the news last night that Johnson could give Romney trouble in New Hampshire. That's 4 electoral votes that will go to Prez Zero if Romney doesn't overcome the gap.

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1351952145' post='838317'] Im curious to what you guys spank your kids for. Give some examples if you dont mind. Not trying to be mean. Just waana know what warrants your spankings. [/quote] Willful disobedience Intentionally destructive behavior Meanness/cruelty towards others Behavior that could get them seriously injured or killed

[quote name='Jesse' timestamp='1351952145' post='838317']Im curious to what you guys spank your kids for. Give some examples if you dont mind. Not trying to be mean. Just waana know what warrants your spankings.[/quote] Usually for chewing on our WIC checks, breaking my meth pipe and playing with one of the many loaded pistols I leave around the house. Ya know, if you're gonna be so presumptuous to figure that responsible, loving parents couldn't possibly spank their children the above scenarios should be easy to believe.

The obvious question no media has asked: Why would the ex-seals be painting a target with a laser? Only reasons if they had reason to believe that airpower or drones were nearby and they were taking with someone. Which means that help was on the scene but was not made available

[quote name='Garufa' timestamp='1351905002' post='838073'] Why?[/quote] When someone has no experience in a certain thing, their advice/opinions usually arent listened to. Im sure as heck not gonna take parenting advice from somebody that doesnt have kids. Thatd be kinda silly right. Just my .02 on the matter

Philosophically this sounds great. However, in a real SHTF scenario, seems to me your gonna be "living off the land". Your prey will probably be carrying .223/556 and 9mm. It is what it is.

[quote name='Will Carry' timestamp='1351868857' post='837761'] TWO Thumbs up on the Glock 19. Don't listen to the whiners. Get the Glock 19. It is a truly great side arm. It will shoot where you aim it and it will never fail you. "Waaaaa! The grip angle isn't right" "Waaaaaa! The trigger is weird!" "Waaaa! The sights are funny" "Waaaa! It's plastic!" "Waahaaahaaaa! It's not made in America!" [/quote] Persuasive.

You can't get help if none is sent

I guess I do have a problem.....but I like it! I consider it being a custodian of history for future generations.

Unless we're talking Nagants right? Out of the few people I know that know about them I'd say very few think anything of it at all. I like to collect things always have since I was a little kid. I do think my family thought the amount of ammo I keep was weird until we went on a family range day. After they learned that we went through 1500 rounds of 22, 300 9mm, 200 7.62x39, and probably about 100-150 38/357 they started getting the idea. It was also a real eye opener when I said I would be bringing only enough for myself and my parents on the next trip and everyone else had to buy their own. They showed up gripping and yet bragging about spending about $100 and were shocked at how little they got to shoot. They thought bullets were free or something. Now they understand why I buy a few boxes every week or so even if I'm not planning on shooting anytime soon. I say buy as many as you can without sacrificing you or your family's quality of life and forget what anyone thinks. Haters got to hate.