Gun Show Loophole

[OLDNEWBIE]

14 hours ago, papa61 said:

well that's not as bad as I expected. Bad, just not as bad as expected.

Did I understand it's the SELLERS responsibility to determine if buyer is buying with intent to resell for profit? This is worse than expected I believe. What a big win for the anti gun lobby. Basically this law will make everyone skittish about selling privately to anyone except close friends or relatives. I invision a bill of sale form with verbage saying "buyer purchase with intent for personal use and will hold for a minimum of one year before resale"

[hipower]

So...what's the general feeling here guys? Do you feel we are totally Fubar at this point? 

I have been considering renting a table at a local show and attempting to sell off some things. Is this still a viable option?

[FUJIMO]

1 hour ago, hipower said:

So...what's the general feeling here guys? Do you feel we are totally Fubar at this point? Been FUBAR for a while now. Death of a 1000 cuts

I have been considering renting a table at a local show and attempting to sell off some things. Is this still a viable option? If you plan on selling anything and not wanting to appear like a dealer I'd say the sooner the better. Proceed with caution

 

Edited April 16 by FUJIMO

[gregintenn]

12 hours ago, btq96r said:

Gun owners pretending they weren't in business are the ones who brought this down.  As long as the background check system isn't a bogged down mess, I don't see this going away.  As @JohnSutton1980explained pretty well, Congress ceded this authority to the executive branch...they had fundraising to attend to, I'm sure.  Better to have something you pretend to care about when asking folks for money.

I don't care for this. Not for the "gun" reason, but because it puts these sellers at an unfair advantage over licensed dealers. These folks don't have to purchase an FFL, business license, mess with all the bound book keeping, or charge sales tax.

[Kano]

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[AuEagle]

Well, since communists deal in instilling fear, I believe everyday people will cease setting up at gun shows. Attendance will be down & many promotors will go out of business.

I believe many will drop prices & liquidate their collections.

I believe there will be arrests both at homes & gun shows to bolster their agenda, make examples.

These tactics have been used in various states, especially the blue states.

I hope I'm wrong & these unconstitutional "laws" are overturned.

Some here have labeled President Trump a dictator, yeah right, there's a dictator & his minions in office now seeing to the destruction of our country.

Edited April 17 by AuEagle

[Grayfox54]

I'm concerned about this. I just turned 70 and am thinking it may be time to thin the herd. I have a large collection. My sons will keep some for themselves, but no way they'll want them all. I have been  seriously thinking about selling many of them off. First to save them the time and trouble after I'm gone. Secondly, they could use the money much more than the guns. I've even considered getting a table or two at a gun show to expedite the process.  According to this, I'm screwed. 

And that brings up another question, what about heirs who are needing to sell off an inherited collection? What will they do? 

[gary_boom]

I had two pistols on consignment at a local gun shop before this happened.  I didn’t want the aggravation of selling  on the e classified plus the possibility of being robbed and on top of that running a foul of the ATF and having to spend thousands to defend myself.  I am almost never able to sell for a profit and will probably take a loss of over $100 on each pistol. I posted one here and didn’t have any interest.

[Garufa]

I honesty think there is a lot of overreaction going on in response to this ruling.

It’s the unlicensed dealers this is targeted at.  Those guys who always have a couple  of tables minimum at gun shows who always have brand new in the box handguns, or ones that keep going back to the gun store to buy the same thing over and over again then flipping them, etc., and most importantly, promising to do so for others.

I have not been to a show in over 4 years but I do recall one of the regulars who always had lots of brand new stuff…all “private sale”.  If I’m not mistaken he made the news a few years ago after being busted for being “engaged in the business”.

Edited April 18 by Garufa

[Whisper]

14 hours ago, Garufa said:

It’s the unlicensed dealers this is targeted at.  Those guys who always have a couple  of tables minimum at gun shows who always have brand new in the box handguns, or ones that keep going back to the gun store to buy the same thing over and over again then flipping them, etc., and most importantly, promising to do so for others.

Yes, that's *mainly* who they're targeting, but it's the ATF, so if they can write a regulation that's wide enough to catch up more people in addition to the ones who are actually targeted, that's fine with them -- it improves their arrest stats, helps support the case that it was a widespread problem, and (like all poorly explained gun restrictions) has a chilling effect on honest gun owners who might decide to spend their money on something else instead of risking having their dogs and family members shot in a paramilitary raid.

 

[AuEagle]

There should be huge "overreaction" any time our rights are threatened or taken away.