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There's not a damn thing wrong with THIS flag. Men and women have bled and died for it. It represents what is still the greatest nation on this planet; a nation which has selflessly done more good for others than any in history. It represents dreams, and ideas and ideals. It represents freedom. You may not like what's going on in Washington or even our own state capitol, but that doesn't mean those stars and bars are any less beloved today than they were a month, a year, a decade or a lifetime ago. No, I've got the only flag I need and it's the one worth fighting for. Your flag seems... divisive to me. We don't need that crap. We need more unity.

Nope.  My annual membership at a local range is completely going to waste right now.   Kind of sucks.

Folks; As we stated originally, we have been struggling with the best way to handle the issue of price gouging. The final evolution of our stance on this issue is simply this.   The market will decide what an item is worth.   Prices for firearms, ammo, magazines, etc. are completely chaotic right now. There is no way to predict or police what an item should be worth, nor is it right for us to attempt to do so. From this point forward, we acknowledge that things are worth what people will pay for them. If the people do not want to see items listed at 500% markup, then the people should simply stop buying them and force the market to balance itself. That being said, this statement absolutely does not negate our policy against interfering with another person's Trading Post ad. As stated in our Trading Post policies:           Thank you for your understanding, cooperation and patience while we sorted this mess out for ourselves. While we acknowledge this policy shift may not make everyone happy, we believe that it is the right thing to do and reduces the absurd number of rules and guidelines that we were being forced to erect around how people could use the Trading Post. This keeps it simple. Carry on. :)

  What we need is some damning proof that implicates the government.  Right now there is none that anyone has been able to find.  Conveniently the Connecticut State Police just yesterday released their final determination of what guns were used in the Sandy Hook school shooting.  You can see the report here.   For some reason it took them four weeks to nail down the details on what guns were used.  Four weeks.  Ray Charles, rest his soul, could have come to a conclusion faster than that.   I'm with you guys to an extent.  Something smells.  I'm not stealing my wife's Reynolds Wrap just yet but I know where she keeps it.

Thanks.  So let me elaborate a little and just put this out there.  The staff and I are pretty much worn out.  Between the server problems that I've been fighting for almost 30-40 hours a week on top of my normal 40-50 hr job and then all of the chaos surrounding the political climate, we've been burning the candle at both ends and in the middle.  Something had to give.   It didn't take long for me to spot the fact that regardless of our good intentions and desire to not allow people to post a bunch of crap on TGO at ridiculous mark-ups, the bottom line is there was just no practical way for us to police that stuff.  And furthermore, we shouldn't.   If somene wants to list PMAGs for $100 each, I will be the first to agree [privately] that they're out of their minds and that sooner or later the market WILL correct itself and those things won't be worth near that much money.  But we see this in the stock market every day and no one complains if they make bank off of Google stock today after paying a fraction for it a few months ago.  This is the free market and that's just how people make money.   That being said, I'm sure some folks are getting sick and tired of the rules changing every week or two. Believe me... so am I.   That's why this is the final word on pricing in the Trading Post.  The market will determine what is a realistic price from here on out.  But we're absolutely not going to tolerate people crapping in each other's threads either.  If something is priced high, so be it.  Keep the comments out of those threads and let them die on the vine.

And on that note, I'm signing an Executive Order and closing this thread.  ;)  

I'd refund the guy his money and tell him you're sorry he lives in a Commie-ass state like Illinois, and then list any future sales as being not available to people in certain states.

I see what you did there. :biglol:

In this particular case, that hasn't been in question for quite a while. "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

In the 60's when southern juries failed to convict KKK members for murder of blacks and jewish and white protesters, the federal government stepped in and charged and convicted them with violating the murder victims constitutional and civil rights, IMO, in that case I agree with the feds and at least some justice was served. Federal agents are no more immune to justice and arrest than any other individual citizen for violating a persons civil rights. It doesn't matter if they were following orders to commit an illegal act, they are just as guilty fo carrying it out. If anyone can excuse or thinks the feds have immunity for violating an innocent persons constitutional rights then they personally have already been defeated.

The Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show is like a mini SHOT Show.  It is a huge show that has been around for a long time.  Reed Exhibitions puts on the show.  This year they made the decision that so-called assault rifles and high-capacity ammunition magazines will not be allowed to be displayed or sold at the show this year.  Right after the announcement sponsors started pulling out.  We are not talking little guys either.  Cabela's, NWTF just to name a couple of big ones.  Here is the list of the sponsors/celebrities that have pulled out.     Abner Druckenmiller Ambush Firearms American Whitetails of PA Antler Insanity Appalachian Big Game TV Arrowhead Outdoors Athens Archery Atlantic Tactical Avian-X Decoys Bangin Redhedz Bear Archery Blitz TV The Bear Whisperer Bob Mercier Bohning Archery Bone Collectors Boondock Outdoors Bowfreakz.com BowHunter Planet Bowhunting.com Cabela's Campbell Cameras Camo Addiction CanCooker Chris Brackett Cold Steel Knives Continental Divide Outfitters Cross Canyon Arms Cutting Edge Bullets Dead Ringer Direct Action Tactical Firearms Domari Nolo Defense Consulting Dominator 365 Down N Dirty Outdoors DuckWater Boats Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation Eastern Outdoors Eddie Salter Family Traditions TV Farmland Trophies Outfitting Firearms Industry Consulting Group Foiles Migrators Forbes Turkey Calls FoxPro Game Calls Fred Eichler Full Circle Outdoors Ghost River Outfitters Gone Wild Outdoors Gut-N-Tag Haley Heath Heartland Whitetails Hevi-Shot High Lonesome Outfitters HookHunt Hunters and Guides Connection Hunter Safety Systems Hunter's Specialties International Bowhunting Organization IceHole Coolers IScope Jay Gregory Jim Shockey Keystone Country Store Keystone Elk Country Alliance King of the Mountain Inc. Kinsey's Outdoors KodaBow Lancaster Archery Supply Larry Weishuhn Lee & Tiffany Lakosky Major League Bowhunter Midwest Whitetail Adventures Muddy Outdoors Dominance is Everything Hunting System Matt Morett Mountain Dog Chews NasHunt Outdoors Nature Blinds Northern Hideaway Outfitters Open Season TV Outdoor Channel Outfitters Outdoor Edge Knives Ozonics Hunting PA Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs PA Taxidermy Association PA Trappers Association Pat & Nicole Reever Pat Strawser Custom Calls Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve Primal Urge Outdoors Primos Hunting Calls PSE Archery Radical Hunter Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo Ranew's Outdoor Equipment Revolution Hunting Rhino Outdoors Rick White Rougeaux Taxidermy Savage Outdoors SecureIt Tactical Skull Shine Southern Game Calls Spook Spann Sportsmen of North America TV Stan Potts Stay Ready Inc. Stokerized Stabilizers Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Association Table Mountain Outfitters The Warmbag TNT Archery Tom Dokken Tough Country Products Trent Cole Trijicon Inc. Trop Gun Shop Turnbull Manufacturing Whitetail Bosses Whitetail Freaks Whitetail Heaven Outdoors Wild Outdoors Wired Outdoors Woodcock Limited of PA Wyvern Creations X-Stand Treestands Zink Calls Zook Cabins 2 Million Bullets 24-7 Hunting TV Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/805854_List-of-exhibitors-boycotting-the-Eastern-Sports-and-Outdoor-Show.html#ixzz2IkKv2gKX   All these companies are saying the same thing.  It is important to stand up for the Second Amendment.   I say good for the companies. :up:  

An item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. 

Depends, I use lighter weight because it brings out more detail of the gun. I also wash them in warm soapy water to make them very hard. I use 6-7 or 4-5 ounce and once washed, contoured and dried it is like Kydex in how it acts. I have been doing some experimenting. I generally use the heavier leather as a backer and the lightweight leather for the front.   I use a vacuum sealer to contour the holster rather than boning. I think it makes for a nicer holster. I wash the front in hot water that is almost too hot for you to hold you hand in. I use dishsoap and wash the leather for probably 10 minutes. I soak, then scrub with my hand, then wring the water completely out. I repeat this probably 10 times. Then I wringe it out a final time then lay it out to cool. I do not wash the backer.   I seal the gun in a vacuum bag to prevent moisture from getting into the inside of the gun. If the gun has high sights I tape a pencil between the front and rear sights to create a channel in the leather. I place the backer leather in a seperate vacuum bag. I place the gun on that then I place the wet piece of leather over top of the gun. I vacuum the bag without sealing it. I vacuum and release to make adjustments. And once everything is where it should be I use papertowels to soak up the extra moisture that is getting squeezed out of the leather. I use the papertowels until no more water is being squeezed out of the leather. Then I do a final vacuum and let it seal. I let it sit for a few hours and during this time the moisture from the front piece to back piece. While it sets I normally bend it to better match the curve of the hip.   Then I remove everything together from the bag and carefully set the front piece in a position so it maintains its shape while it dries.   After it dries for a few days I do a close trime on the front but do not touch the back yet. It is easier to trim the front before it is bonded to the back. After it is trimmed it is time to glue the pieces together. I tape off the area of the front piece where the gun will be setting during the glue process. Then I spray it with 3M adhesive spray. I remove the tape and place the firearm in the fron half where there is no glue. Then I press the back onto the front piece and place it all into the vacuum bag again. I vacuum it down and let it seal. I let it set again for a few hours to ensure a good bond. Then I remove the holster from the vacuum bag and remove the gun from it.   Now I begin trimming the excess. After I have trimmed it to close to the final dimension I use a spacer wheel to mark out the stitches. I use a drill press and a awl to punch the holes. It is easier and more consistent than doing it by hand. Then I stitch it using a crossover stitch. Once it is all stitched up I do the final trimming and sanding and bring it to about 1/4" from the stitching.   I dye the leather and then I cut the belt loops to what the friend I am doing it for says feels good. And then I use a sharpie to color in the loops.   There are a lot of little nuances I am missing but that is the basics.   Dolomite

  That's a fact.  For those who don't understand that, look at it this way.  States existed first, before Federal govt.  They enacted and enforced their own rules before any Federal govt. was around.  They only willingly formed and joined a Federal govt. for things like common defense and such.  States DID NOT surrender their sovereignty when they created the Federal govt., they retained sovereignty, but granted very limited powers to the Federal govt.

  Even if that's the truth, the media will quickly sweep it under the rug.

  It is because every AR made has a mystical accurcay spell cast upon it before leaving the factory. With the Ruger's it is most likely a voodoo curse after Bill Ruger's 10 round comment.   Dolomite

No change for me.  I haven't bought factory ammo in so long........   All this panicking BS is just retarded.  THis is why I worked for years to put stuff away.  It's also why I spend an hour in the reloading room every morning before work.     If anything, I have actually been shooting more since around September.  

Seen this posted somewhere with link to source from CNN. Pics taken today from the swearing of King O. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/opinion/opinion-inauguration-roundup/index.html?hpt=op_t1 Pic 50 in the slide show

Now some legislators in Missouri are proposing a bill to arrest and charge any feds who violate a citizens 2nd amendment rights with a class D felony. I believe that's 12 or 13 states proposing these bills now. 13 states and we have a new Confederacy don't we? :)

My wife is not a fan of the donkey punch either, but it's always difficult introducing new things.... give it time. Now, back to rifles. What kind of AR do you have? Don't count any whiz bang magpul stuff into the value. A $50 grip doesn't add $50 to the rifle. Unless it's a high end rifle (like DD) I'd make the trade. You'll be able to fetch more money for the two AKs down the road if you choose to sell, or if you decide you want something else you can sell the one AK and use the cash towards another addition.

it is about time.  Last time when everyone went full fratada Walmart did the same thing.  It helps.   Hooray for you getting all the ammo, screw everyone else.  Is that it?

Corporations don't vote.  Sure, they can give lots of money to a politician.  But that does not equal votes.  Just ask Debra Maggert about that.  what you have to do is remind your politicians that not only do YOU vote, but that some do lots of your friends who agree with you.  Your calls to your congressman count for more than a check from a foreign corporation.  And that check can even be a liability when you show that your congressman accepts checks from a foreign company!   Visits, calls, letters, emails are what matter.  As one politician told me, "Money is the sincerest form of flattery".  But give your money as a result of a correct vote, not before.

The quicker that bill gets in and gets aborted the sooner prices will normalize and you'll be able to buy ammo and Pmags again.

The "universal background check' issue is polling really high. I agree that it may get some steam. I think Slick Willie's message to Democrats will have some weight. People like Feinstein can do what they want. A lot of Dems in the Senate and the House can't. They can lose their jobs over voting for gun bans.   Gun control has questionable results. They don't really impact crime stats. Can't say the same about gun bans. They kill Democrats.

It will die in conference and I believe the only measure that has a reasonable chance in the Senate is closing the gun show sales “loophole” and perhaps an improved background check. It appears that Obama is switching tactics and will attempt to implement gun control measures at a state level (using his campaign apparatus) rather than attempting to get something through Congress (which isn’t likely in the Republican controlled House of Representatives). With TN being a solid “red” state, I don’t think we have to worry about much. This is my opinion.

After cheaper than dirt reviewed their policy, I reviewed mine. I'll never do business with them again.

Volkwagen is doin exactly what any big operation with lots of clout tends to do.  They are gonna find out what they can get and how far their influence stretches.   I doubt that they will shut down a billion dollar plant that's up and runnin to make a point about guns in the parking lot.  These folks are business people; not anti-gun zealots.  They, unlike lots of american business people understand manufacturing and capitalism.   I wouldnt worry too much about whether volkswagen is gonna leave chattanooga.  My prediction is that they aint; and that they will simply expand as they have the dollars.  The next time ya get worried about that; drive down I75 south and take a look at the roadway leading to "Volkswagen Drive" .   It's the largest intersection on the road other than the interstate junctions.   Tennessee is a great, business friendly place with a skilled (....especially in chattanooga...) workforce that actually wants to work.  That's why they came here in the first place.    I say: "....Dont worry about the volkswagen bluster; that exactly what it is."... They are tryin to see how much they can get from the polititians.  More than that; dont discount that the enemies of this "parking lot" proposal are usin this as fodder to do exactly what it tends to do; that is, to scare the locals and the political class into submission.   leroy

One of the best videos I've seen in a long time.     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEmIfhfxuc    

He didn't need to have his weapon exposed. His tats are enough to scare the average person and perceive him as a dangerous individual, even if in reality he is in his church's choir and makes his money as an even tempered florist.

Just wanted to add, in case anyone else gets a case of tinfoil poisoning and decides to go full retard like this... I don't just play a forum Administrator on TV. I started this site, I own the site, I run the site. I'm not just "an" administrator, I'm the Administrator. And I'm note deleting anything. I'm leaving this out there like a head on a spike at the castle gate... a speed bump for stupidity. Here there be dragons, chief.

Loaded, all day, every day.  You don't lock up your fire extinguishers at night, do you?  Always carry a spare tire?

My kids are all grown now; but when they were little, I taught them all safety, took them all out shooting and removed the curiosity factor. When they saw them, they just had the, "Ah, it's just another of Dad's guns" mentality.

Holly, our blue female doberman at about 15 months old Axl, our male black and rust doberman at about 7 months old Axl and Holly running together. They are biological siblings but from different litters. Holly is just a little bigger still, but Axl will pass her up. They play rough with each other when they are awake, but they also like plenty of sleep time. They are great dogs. Here's a little older photo of Axl and Holly looking at the camera together. They are best buds. B

I have always said that their lives are too short not to spoil them.............especially for as much as they freely give. I have had German Shepards most of my life, my wife had King Shepards, so they are our fur kids. A house is not a home without a dog..............

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-turn-in-an-assault-weapon-get-a-tax-break-20130115,0,3935943.story         If this passes I'm going out to the yard to get a stick, then I'm going to paint it black and insist that I get a $2000 tax credit for turning it in. When some government official tells me that said stick is not an assault weapon I will commence beating them until I have a $4000 tax credit.

Ok well planned on buying the wife an ak74 She likes my 47 but doesnt like the donkey punch so I threw my rifle up for trade and got a fellow responded willing to trade two bulgarian ak74s on nodak spud recievers only 15 rds fired thru each rifle and they come with 8 brand new tapco mags wondering what you guys think about the swap I know the AR is a better rifle especially with all ive done to it but is it better than two rifles? any comments would be appreciated

I picked up a box or two of the Federal 550 round bulk packs every time I went to Walmart when they were $7.97, then $8.97, and even got some at $9.97. I even had my wife trained to do the same. She thought I was crazy, but now with two young boys burning through them, she finally understands. We aren't worried about finding 22 ammo at this time.

xm855 showing in stock right now.

  Who's bill?

Sir Bentley GT

I fabricated every part of my camping trailer and the price was high in both time and money. It's parked in my basement, so I don't worry to much about it being taken. But, I can say this for an absolute fact... Any attempt to steal it... will be terminal! No questions asked!

I think it is a good thing. It might help the stock levels, because you wont have a guy go in and buy up the whole shipment of ammo. That should mean the ammo stays on the shelf longer making panic buyers slow down a bit after the 3rd or 4th time they go in and there is ammo on the shelf.

[quote name="K191145" post="892498" timestamp="1358841806"] I remember that dude, talk about guts or crazy that guy had it. I hope if the SHTF I would have half his guts although I may be a little more tactical about it. Well, as tactical as my old fat a$$ can be.[/quote] Well I think that is really the point in all this talk about ensuring the 2nd Amendment stays intact. In the absence of "tactical" options these acts of desperate defiance that are akin to suicide is all you have to fight with. Of course, if the state controls all forms of information going in and out, it makes these acts of defiance moot since it can't rally the cause when nobody knows what is happening. This is the defining reason the 2A is so important. The Chinese would have never pulled this stunt if the people had access to firearms. People would have revolted, set fire to those tanks and gunned the crews as they escaped. This is happening in Syria everyday. Libs and naysayers claim that the 2A is pointless since the military has tanks and airplanes anyway, but if you look at dozens of videos of the Syrian revolution you'll see that doesn't matter one bit. In my opinion it'll never come to that in this country, because our government wouldn't dare cross that line with such a well armed populace. The 2A is what keeps those options of ultimate tyranny off the table. Two generations down the road it may be a much different story.

Couple of things... A) If you are active duty (thank you, by the way) and change your home of record to TN you won't have to pay any state income tax (as we dont have any). When I was in the Navy my HOR was TX, because they dont have income tax for active duty people. It is something you have to do through the pay people (do you still have LESs? It shows your HOR on it.). I would and did...   B ) Most states make you surrender another state's ID or DL... dont know about carry permit.

I like them as well. They are nice guns. I even made a holster for one this week for a friend. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Adyth/38B9FAC2-DC29-48A1-88E7-5F874E01D8E4-6874-00000AF971873D8D.jpg   Dolomite

Here is a point to ponder, did any of the pols who spoke vote FOR a 2nd Amendment issue in the last General Assembly, either year?  Seems convenient to be all about it now while the collective dander is raised.   I say we count our friends after Leadership decides where it is going to fall out regarding support, and see who the Champions are, if any.

Well, I'll tell you that you aren't the only one that's upset with the situation. That's why I doubt anything will pass because a lot of these guys in congress are afraid of losing out on the next election.

  "Haslam ... wants to find a better balance between the competing claims of gun and property rights."   Translation: sure, pass the law, but companies can opt out.   - OS

Fly fishing. Caney Fork couple weeks ago Not a great pic but a nice Brook Trout.