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   I think they'd taste better if they'd bake them like all the other chains instead of serving them raw.   - OS

its not that it goes away, but that it reverses.... after a bit you feel worried when you don't carry.

Well, new to me. Last year I picked up a Browning BAR in .30-06. As much as I tried to like it, it just never felt right to me. It was a great and accurate gun but I am more of a bolt or lever action guy. So I came across a guy selling a 1978 Belgian made Browning BBR in .270. You do not see the BBRs for sale to often. The BBR is kinda the predecessor to the A-bolt. It has a fat bolt and is built very solid. [url=http://s196.photobucket.com/user/kahrman/media/B086ADBC-9B00-41AB-8FAD-63A57CF5A3E6_zpsdyta3tki.jpg.html][/URL] It has some minor character marks but over overall it is in good shape. I put a Leupold VX3 3-9x50 on it and took it out to sight it in yesterday. I must have done a poor job bore sighting it because the first shot was off paper. Took a few more shots to get it dialed in. I was happy with my first three shot group. I think this is going to make a great deer rifle. [url=http://s196.photobucket.com/user/kahrman/media/38FC44BF-6815-4A4B-8212-3314D67D1C65_zpsics7tbuv.jpg.html][/URL]

Folks, the Hines decision is really nothing more than a run of the mill post conviction case that happens to be about a shooting that the defendant tried to make into self defense.  It is not announcing any new law, and it is not a reported decision (meaning it has little precedential value).  Also, while I'm not going to go as far as TMF in the other thread, I do think there is some misleading information being conveyed by the OP that needs to be cleared up.   The trial lawyer in Hines did not do a bad job.  His client was charged with first degree murder, felony murder (essentially first degree murder) and especially aggravated robbery. He was convicted of the lesser included offenses of second degree murder on the two murder charges, and aggravated assault on the esp. agg. rob.  Guy was facing two life sentences for the murders (and I'm guessing this was a non-capital case) and an additional 15-25 on EAR.  A very, very long time if convicted as charged.   He got a total of 22 years.  That's very good, ok?  That's a great result.    Furthermore, it looks like the failure to understand self defense law was the less important of two issues in this case.  The bigger one was the lawyer's failure to impeach state's witnesses, and the defendant actually got further on that issue.  On a post conviction petition in Tennessee you have to establish two things.  One is deficient performance by your attorney, and two is prejudice resulting from that deficient performance. You can have deficient performance but no prejudice, and that's what happened here with the failure to impeach.  The court said the lawyer should have impeached, but that they didn't was of little consequence to the outcome.   As for not understanding the self defense law, both the trial and appeals court said it wasn't even deficient performance (the trial court maybe not as clearly) so the defendant didn't even get past the first hurdle. In other words, the appeals court didn't think it was that big of a deal. Yes, they did send out a little side note to the lawyer to please read the law before trial next time, but they didn't by any means throw him/her under the bus.  In fact the court commended the attorney for being able to switch tactics like that in the middle of trial.    So I disagree with OP that the trial lawyer was "pretty darn bad."  I think that lawyer did an excellent job with what he/she had to work with.  I think OP has latched onto a relatively minor issue and is trying to make it into the be-all-end-all of bad lawyering within the context of self defense cases.  Even the best lawyers have "oh crap" moments in the middle of trial.  Lawyers joke to each other that what we do is called the practice of law, meaning that we're continuously practicing it and never perfecting it.     Like TMF I do question OP's intentions for coming onto TGO with all of this.  Is it to sell a book?  I don't know.  But I do believe facts are being twisted.  Finally I disagree with his first comment that finding the right lawyer is too long of a topic for a forum post.  It's really quite simple and I can boil it down for everyone in a few words: get the best criminal defense lawyer in your area that you can, period.

Yeah. One time at Home Depot, I got made by a teenage girl, who went through a series of pantomimes to tell me she could see my gun. After ignoring her for about 5 rounds, I walked off, with my zipper still down. True story.

From His Cold Dead Hands: When Should Grandpa Give Up His Guns?  I am not giving up my guns.  Period.   http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/his-cold-dead-hands-when-should-grandpa-give-his-guns-n145501

  Glad I got rid of him when I did or we might have been getting billed for all his "free" legal advice.

Contrary to what some may think, I don't see it to be uncommon for a purchased firearm to sit in a safe that long before being fired. Maybe not the smartest thing for us to do, but it happens for often than many will, or would like to admit. And yes...I have done it as well. Thankfully the worst incident I've had has been with a Chiappa Beretta clone in 22. Put it away, then took it out and found it to be a piece of excrement.

Thanks to the TGO member that sent me this showed up today. Never know unless you ask. I like it happy to have one. Jason

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1165571" timestamp="1404576038"] I think by most Officers it would not even be an issue unless they see something that makes them have a good reason.[/quote] I recall a thread here where a TGO LEO said he disarms every lawfully armed person he stops. His argument being that it is his right to do so under the law. I don't believe he is the only LEO that thinks this way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We get very little oil from Iraq. In fact it was just announced the other day that America is now the #1 oil producing country on earth surpassing Saudi Arabia in production yet we are seeing our gas prices go up every day at the pumps. I think Oil needs to be removed from the Commodities Trading Market on Wall Street so big money has no control about driving the prices up and down when ever they get ready. If we are the biggest producer of oil in the world why is it that a gallon of gas in Saudi Arabia in 35 cents and a cost of a gallon of gas in Venezuela is 25 cents and no l producing country has gas price any where near a dollar yet were are stuck paying $3.50 + per gallon. ........................ :rant: :rant: :rant:

Nobody notices that you're carrying. In time you won't care if they did notice anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Law of Self Defense" post="1165045" timestamp="1404425327"]Hey folks, I was reviewing recent TN self-defense cases for my Memphis and Nashville seminars next weekend, and I came across an interesting one from just this past May that I thought those of you in the Volunteer State might find interesting. The case is [i]Jarvis v. State[/i], 2014 Tenn. Crim. App. LEXIS 453 (TN Ct. App. 2014), and it is interesting because it involves a facet of self-defense law that TN shares with only a few other states. All of us are, of course, aware of the fact that we’re responsible for every round that comes out of our PDW. TN is one of the few states that formalizes that responsibility in statute, specifically in [font='times new roman']39-11-604, Reckless injury of innocent third person.” That statute provides that:[/font] [font='times new roman']In [i]Jarvis[/i], the defendant was engaged with gunfire by an attacker driving away in a car. The defendant retrieved his own gun from his vehicle, and returned fire. [/font] [font='times new roman']Unfortunately, one of the defendant’s rounds went awry and struck an unlucky fellow by the name of Willard Ross who was working a fireworks sale as the backstop to defendant’s fire. I guess things could have gotten REALLY dramatic, but in any case the fellow who was struck died of his wounds.[/font] [font='times new roman']At trial the defendant was up on a wide variety of charges, and he raised a legal defense of self-defense. Of particular interest here was the murder charge he faced for the death of the poor Mr. Ross.[/font] [font='times new roman']On that particular charge he was found guilty of the murder of Mr. Ross, and sentenced to 25 years. [/font] [font='times new roman']The defendant didn’t fare much better on his other charges, but it’s important to note that this murder conviction was not at all dependent on the others—even had he been fully acquitted of the other charges on the bases of self-defense, his reckless shooting of Mr. Ross would have been denied legal justification under 39-11-604.[/font] [font='times new roman']So, in every state we’re at least theoretically responsible for every round we fire, even in purported self-defense. But TN really puts some teeth in that admonition.[/font] [font='times new roman']I didn’t hyperlink the case here in this post because I’m not sure about the rules for such things on this forum, but anyone who is interested can find a hyperlinked version of this post on my blog, with a link to the full-text of the court decision.[/font] [font='times new roman']Have a safe and happy Fourth of July, everyone, and I look forward to seeing a bunch of you next weekend and Rangemaster, Nashville Armory—or, heck, both! [/font][font=wingdings]J[/font] [font='times new roman']--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense[/font][/quote] Just so everyone is tracking, I recall this shooting. It was a big deal here in Clarksville. Both sides were gangbangers and all involved had a record. They turned a Walmart parking lot into their own personal shooting gallery. The result was a retired teacher being MURDERED. He was murdered because a bunch of drug dealing thugs forgot to keep their business in the ghetto, where they normally shoot at each other. This has nothing to do with self defense. The man who returned fire was illegally in possession of the weapon in the first place and was wildly shooting in a parking lot full of mothers and children at a car that was well out of range. Trying to represent this as an issue for lawful carriers is absolutely ridiculous. I also believe this is a backdoor way to advertise your seminar without having to pay any site fees. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's made from 1084 carbon steel 5/32" thick. Total length is just over 11 1/2" with a blade length of about 5 1/2". It's shape makes it a Wharncliffe and has sculpted G10 blue scales with zombie green liners. The scales are fastened with epoxy and corby rivets. The design you see in the blade is deep etched into the steel the the entire blade was etched save the edge. It has the "caveman look" on the spine and at the butt of the knife. There is large but gentle jimping added as well. I had a blast making this knife...lots of time and details went into this thing. It's very sharp and the point on it will stick you. Ask me how I know.

We have a new master among us. Rickey congrats buddy

I traded my TGO upper with bolt assist and dust cover to another member for a slick sided upper. I'm building a 6.5 Grendel (ever so slowly) and I liked the idea of not having the bolt assist and whatnot hanging on the side. Just curious if anyone has built one yet and if so, would you mind throwing a pic up of it. Here's mine for those that haven't seen them, [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6FB1C933-6D85-49FC-B6C5-5177A6E43DFD.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7447CBAE-B51B-4276-A7C3-123DD9925586.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AFBA8935-0439-43FD-9645-0CD46991C54F.jpg.html][/URL]

If there was a problem from the factory 8 months later, they should still be liable for fixing it, whether it was brand new or used after 8 months they still put out a faulty product.

Well, the carpetbagger was sent on his way.

  academy has been really good IMHO.  Individuals hired by them aside, they have: - made a good policy on .22 to spread it around - not jacked up prices - did not ban anything after sandy hook - will help you mount a scope and bore-sight free - have affordable common firearms and ammo - support hunting, archery, and other related sporting - maintain a positive attitude towards the folks that swing by every other morning in hopes of .22 shipment, even when we rarely buy anything else   and I have no problems buying things from them.  A number of mom & pop shops have price gouged as have other big chains, and some chains removed ARs from their lineups and other negative things.  I feel that supporting academy is as good as supporting a local shop and better than supporting a gouger.

Now that we can carry legally here in Tennessee. It has me thinking about other states around us. Would like too know which states we can carry our autos in?

You are not missing much.  Don't worry about it.

[quote name="BrasilNuts" post="1165646" timestamp="1404590835"]Care to elaborate?[/quote] He came here under false pretenses. He claims his goal is only to educate and discuss, yet he marks each post as a representative of a business and has made mention of his book, seminars or both in every thread he's started. When confronted he has ignored the accusation and instead focused on cherry picked statements in order to divert attention. This is transparent to most folks with an eye for bull***t artists. He is one of them. If he had come here to discuss or share his knowledge, he would do so as a member. Instead, he is coming here as a BUSINESS. Big difference. If any gun store, trainer or lawyer came here talking about their products and WAS NOT a vendor, they'd be lit up. I don't believe this guy should get a pass just because he's an experienced, slick tongued con man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I just went through this with an elderly aunt that had signs of dementia. I ask my father if he got the guns out of the house; he said he did. It’s not about rights it’s about responsibility. Of course gun rights pales in comparison to all the other issues families have to deal with in these situations.

I find it a bit unsettling when some dude says, "Show me yours and I'll show you mine."

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1165579" timestamp="1404576387"][url="http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/user/9356-law-of-self-defense/"]http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/user/9356-law-of-self-defense/[/url] It seems to me he's stirring up cr@p and hawking some upcoming seminar. Forgive me if I've misread him.[/quote] You didn't misread him. He was here a couple years ago selling his book. Never been a vendor. A few TGO members even bought his book. Dude is a liar and a con. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My vote ( if I get one) goes to Joeys house of pizza.

thankfully no one needs to articulate the BoR or much of anything else involved in the USA.   One of the great things about 'merica is you can be dumb as a rock and still have all the rights.

  Just clarifying. I said they weren't issued in quantity. Should have said to everybody. There were more M4's issued than anything else, and they ARE an M16 with short barrel and gas system.

  If you have to use your sidearm in combat, something has gone terribly wrong. 

Good grief - eat at sals pizza on stewarts ferry - best pizza in town

How much firefighting does the Army do with their side arm?   My guess........not much

I've lived in Memphis for all but a few years of my life and have never had any racial slurs mumbled at me while trying to extend someone a courtesy...Memphis has its share of issues but no more than any other town I've ever been to (from Florida to Alaska)...

When I look at the world today I get anxious if I go out and don't have my carry weapon on me. So I don't leave home with out at least one and sometimes 2 depending on where my travels may take me..........jmho.... :up:

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If it was a problem we would have heard about 1911 butt in the last 100 years. Can't say I haven't heard the same for Glocks.

So much good advice and truths here, I hesitate to add anything short of expanding upon the comments about selecting the right gear. Unless you've been around those who carry for a while, you'd never know how important something as simple as a proper belt and correctly fitting clothing really are for EDC. They are the cornerstones of comfortable concealed carry. Once you get that first really good, stiff, thick belt that feeling of anxiety will dwindle quickly.

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  Nashville is a lot more left that a lot of Tennesseans want to admit, but it be in the middle!

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I saw 3 WWII era planes fly over yesterday. A big one and 2 small one. (Sorry best I can do not sure what they were) so sh!t fittin to get real somewhere.

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Spin up our assets Send them overseas Protect ? Country (control the oil because we need to burn everyone else's first and save ours. The last country on earth with oil will be king) Declare a border crises Allow UN troops to deploy "Humanitarian Missions/protect America" and institute a police state in border states Chaos And more easily done following the mass purge of our top military leaders. (Going on for the last few years)

Correct!!!!! But he does have the ability to screw a whole bunch of things up and just do a really good job of making a mess out of everything.....................jmho

As long as Iraq has oil we will be involved.

I'll take Iraq for a thousand, Alex! :panic: We've got to get all these scandals off the news somehow before the election.   I never thought, nor do I think today that there is anything in the middle east worth one drop of an American soldier's blood.

I came here thinking this was about rears!  :lol:

They're going to Mexico to pick up the north bounders to bring them over the border. It's dangerous walking through that hot desert, so we're giving them a lift....and underwear.

Mike those are awesome!   One thing I promise you guys if the Godfather sale goes off as well as it should, at some point there will be a Godson run to match

It's all about the infrastructure. Cars became big in a time when businesses and the government were willing to invest in the infrastructure necessary to realize their goals. Today, we can't even be bothered to repair our crumbling infrastructure, much less invest in something completely different. The payback period is longer than our attention span and the technology is changing much too fast. I've said this a bunch of times previously.... Saving the world won't be popular until it's profitable.

Honestly I love seeing all of the little messages at the end of the posts. Things like someone messaged me calling me a turd, or gold has gone up and .22 is the new gold, I should be able to charge more!!! It makes me laugh and gives me hope that these a$$h@le$ well get stuck holding their millions of rounds.