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Randy Weaver never once fired a shot. Neither did his surviving children or his wife. Issuing a warrant for the arrest of a person who didn't show up to court on a date that he wasn't told to show up on, then executing that warrant with armed commandos running around the property is not the preferred technique, especially when there is zero evidence regarding the original charge other than the testimony of an incredibly unreliable convict who was tasked to entrap a man on a BS law in the first place. It was still never proven that he ever shortened any shotgun barrel, which I don't believe he did. But if he had, how can anyone with an ounce of reason see this as an acceptable response. He was getting railroaded so he told the Feds to pound sand, and the end result was a dead son and wife, yet it was Randy Weaver who was supposed to have the level head here? Not our public servants?

While sitting on the dove field today I had the opportunity to talk at length with TWRA officer Mike Murdock, Robertson Co. During the course of our conversation, the topic came up of a dove hunter inadvertently shooting the wrong species. Officer Murdock stated that he understood that it's usually just a mistake, but that he does write tickets for it. He feels that, as a hunter, you have the responsibility of being able to positively identify the species you are hunting. I agree, and this is also especially true when duck hunting.    As we were talking, a kid, probably 16, shot a bull bat by mistake. It dove into the standing corn. The officer and several others saw what happened. Officer Murdock shock his head in disbelief and headed off into the corn to attempt to recover the bird. We were packing up to leave and drove off before they came out of the corn, but I am sure the kid got a citation, and rightly so.    I have seen it happen many times on dove fields. Swallows, larks, starlings, kestrel hawks, and now bull bats, all fall pray to untrained hunters. I was hunting today with a broken leg, on crutches, really just to supervise the two kids I had out hunting with me. I don't have any doubt that my kid hunts safe and smart. She has had it drilled into her since before she ever went afield. I guess I just don't understand how a hunter makes these mistakes. Why don't they take the same due caution?   We also had a young woman shoot at a low bird that was between us and her. Thankfully we were just far enough apart that we didn't get peppered. Her husband walked over and explained to her not to shoot at low birds. She didn't do it again. I am sure it was a case where no one had explained the situation to her. However, it was a situation that could have ended with another hunter with a face full of 8 shot. I can't imagine taking a new hunter out and not stressing the importance of safe shooting beforehand.    Please, if you take a new hunter out, make sure you take the time to teach them the importance of being a safe and responsible hunter. Don't be responsible for creating another "Bubba" hunter that doesn't respect the sport.      BTW, Officer Murdock seemed like a helluva nice guy. Glad to have met him today. 

As was put forth by an Arab ambassador last week, "There has to be some additional motivation for the Obama administration to act now.  I mean, excuse me, but where the f*** was your outrage over the last year as more than 100,000 people were killed?  Why the outrage now over an additional 1,000?  He must have some other strategic objective."

There was so much wrong with what happened both leading up to and during Ruby Ridge that it's too much for a forum post but the whole thing started over Randy Weaver's neighbor being pissed about losing a civil lawsuit and rather than paying the judgment, making completely untrue accusations against Weaver.   Moreover, both the internal 1994 Ruby Ridge Task Force Report and the public 1995 Senate subcommittee report on Ruby Ridge criticized the rules of engagement as unconstitutional. Let's not also forget that the surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death suit. To avoid trial and a possibly higher settlement, the federal government awarded Randy Weaver a $100,000 settlement and his three daughters $1 million each in August 1995. In the out-of-court settlement, the government did not admit any wrongdoing in the deaths of Sammy and Vicki Weaver.   To put it bluntly, Randy Weaver is not to blame for what happened before or during the siege of Ruby Ridge and anyone who tries in any way to say Randy Weaver was responsible for any of it and/or support the thugs with badges that were there is simply refusing to let the facts get in the way of opinion and wishful thinking - the only people that should be in jail are the thugs with the badges.

Guys, I am now an employee (part time; better than sitting making NOTHING!) at Sumner Gun and Supply in Gallatin. Not sure of the scheduling as yet, but I will keep you posted.   Hope when I do get the schedule squared away, some of ya will come by and say hi!

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I think when our enemies are fighting each other we should stay the $#%&^ out of it!

I absolutely agree....a LOT of people should have gone to jail and still be there for both Ruby Ridge and Waco including lot's of "higher-ups" than just those who were on site.  Murder is murder regardless of whether one is wearing a badge or "just following orders".

Since we've stirred this hornet's nest up a bit, so to speak, i think folks need to bear some human nature things in mind.    The first is this; you are what you are.... .  If you are no good, it will soon show up if you are given enough power and lee-way.  That's exactly what happened with the Randy Weaver thing.     It got several people killed, some of 'em murdered (...i think...); all over a "failure to appear in court" and shortening two single shot shotguns 1/4 inch under the 18 inch minimum decreed by law.  There wuz one reason and one reason alone, that a US Attorney and the gubmt fooled with this; and that is that they wanted to make an "example" out of Randy Weaver.... . My guess is that it wuz to help the political aspirations of whoever the US Attorney in that territory wuz; or, worse, yet; to send a message to anyone who would defy or ignore Uncle Sam that the consequences of ignoring him are very deadly and final...     Never believe the fairy tale that says that all gubmt servants are selfless patriots.   Some of 'em would be accessories to murder in order to feather their nests; and would cover their tracks and withhold evidence while doin it; just like they did in the Weaver case.  Take a look at what happened in Florida the other day...   There are apparatchiks in the gubmt at all levels that will do most anything to either get what they want or cover for what they have. Ergo, the evidence tampering in the Weaver case.   These apparatchiks have willing accomplices who will plead that "they were just doin their jobs" when they are confronted with wrongdoing... That brings us to the FBI hostage rescue guys.... .   They knew full well what wuz right and wrong; but they choose to curry the favor of those for whom they work... . It takes courage to refuse an unlawful order; and they (...sadly...) didnt have the backbone to say no.... .  I suspect they figured that in the long run that they would be protected... .  It turns out that they were.... .   Government outrages like what happened at Ruby Ridge and at Waco are exactly why lots of people hate the government.   The fact is that we live in an imperfect world full of imperfect people.   Some of them with even murder for Uncle Sam... .   Never believe that government is always right and justified in what they choose to do... . It aint so.   From my perspective, the last people that i ever want to come to see me is the dammed US Attorney or (....God forbid...) the FBI... .  The sad truth is the Uncle Sam and some of his apparatchiks look a lot like Uncle Joe Stalin and his inner circle from time to time... .     Do i think they are all that way?... No.... .  Do i believe that they are enough of them to be noticeable?... Yeah... . Sadly.   leroy

After living and working in some of the areas I have in Memphis, nothing fazes me anymore. I remember when I was in Utah and was told that the area of SLC we were driving through was the "hood" and I laughed thinking that it looked like Bartlett. What living in Memphis (and paying attention to the crime report maps) has really taught me is that it doesn't matter if you think you live in a "safe" area, crime happens everywhere. This goes for where ever you are, not just Memphis. There is no such thing as a "safe" place, crap happens everywhere so be prepared for it but don't let fear of it rule your life.

Moonpies flat out suck.   I never understood the allure of them, they are drier than a popcorn fart.   I have heard of peanuts in a coke but I think it makes both products taste not as good as if you just eat and drink the things like normal.   bacon bits are great.  Ready made bacon no need to cook it myself.  Dump em in hash browns or mix em with cheese in some scrambled eggs. Other than that I prefer my bacon baked in a weave.  Perfect for a bacon, egg, cheese and lettuce with butter and mayo on toast.   Buttered under the eggs and mayo'd over the lettuce and bacon.   lettuce if fine for breakfast on a sammich.

a video is worth a million words: gotta have one! It will help your shooting! just watch! http://youtu.be/XZO_cKASmA8

  A man could get his ass whipped for talking like that  :rofl:

In bigger cities I avoid MLK blvd and any intersections involving MLK blvd as well as 2-3 blocks on either side of MLK blvd. I also avoid any streets with state names or president names, ie Washinton ave, Jefferson ave, Texas ave, Oklahoma ave, etc. These seem to be pretty universal in every big city I have been too.   Also, most areas outside of military installations tends to be kind of rough around the edges.   In Knoxville Magnolia and about two blocks on either side of it are rough areas. I drive down it every time I go to town and never had an issue. We play the "Is she a hooker?" game as we go. I have been caught down there a time or two after dark and it is a very scary place to be.

And the Republican party put him up for President.  :wacko:   People wonder why Obama was elected.  :rolleyes:

I think it's a conspiracy to make Obama not look weak and stupid. They failed.

  That may qualify you as gay for knowing how to spell it.

Please consider a fence or other restraint. I'll not get in to a big discussion on this but it's better for your dog and better for the people using property adjoining yours and ultimately, better for you.

  Ok, thats just f'in gross

Sadly, hounds would not fit any of your requirements except that kids love em. That's my favorite breed(although broad).

I used my Lee die to seat and it has a crimp but I never crimp my bullets. I take a few thousandths off the expander ball to increase neck tension when loading jacketed bullets. For cast I just remove the bell of the case mouth.

I have a deal with most of the kids I know that I'll take them shooting when they can recite to me the four primary rules of firearm safety and tell me what they mean. I'm always happy to make good on my end of the bargin, and a lot of parents I know are happy to know they're learning in a safe environment.

Stay out of anywhere within a 10 mile radius of downtown Memphis, at all times.

One is known by the company one keeps.  My momma told me that when I was a youngster.  That applies to a company and the individuals that work there as well.  How much do they sell to the civilian marketplace vs what they sell to government entities?  Im afraid that TI has made some choices here, and I hope they can live with it.  I rarely  agree with DaveTN, and I dont in this case either.  

In 1993, the Bill Clinton White House sold the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) as a way to aid Mexican and American workers.  The Senate, controlled by Democrats, approved the treaty on its first reading.    Ross Perot predicted that because the deal included no basic labor standards, it would cause a huge "wage differential between the United States and Mexico" that would result in "the giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south of the border.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls   The International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union was once one of the largest unions in the US with a membership over 450,000 at its peak.   Today it is gone.

Someone has to be the contrarian. But seriously, the actions of the gov on this one are so indefensible and tragic that Randy Weaver could have blown up the side of the mountain, burying the entire task force and still walked away justified in doing so. I say that with all the sympathies to the LE and troops that were there and the understanding that their actions were arguably justified in the moment based on what information they had. There is a small handful of people that really, really needed to be thrown in the clink for that one; Randy Weaver wasn't one of them.

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1025678" timestamp="1378140499"] He was criminal that opened fire on cops. It was the next day; he had been given many hours to surrender. How long do think they should have baby sat him?[/quote] I dont know. How would you feel if some overeager sniper (who must have sucked at shooting to shokt him twice and still not put him down at 200 yds) shot your wife in the face, holding your child while trying to hit someone running through your front door? It was a bad shoot, even the justice department agrees. I guess its never a bad shoot for you as long as he is wearing a badge huh? You realize that shot would bave gotten a military sniper in a combat zone sent to Leavenworth for murder? Think about that...... Tapatalk ate my spelling.

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1025637" timestamp="1378137473"] Vicki Weaver is dead because of Randy weaver and Kevin Harris. The first shot Horiuchi took hit Weaver; the 2nd went through Harris and killed Vicki Weaver, he hit both his targets on the run. I’m not upset they hired Houriuchi’s spotter. Weaver and Harris should be in prison for murder.[/quote] Oh I'm sorry. I thought the man who shot and killed an unarmed woman holding a 10 month old child should be in jail for murder. As should his spotter. They would quickly run a military sniper up for doing the exact same thing, so whats the difference? Maybe they should have left the people at Ruby ridge alone is what they should have done. Not that your postion suprises me. You defend to the death anyone with a badge or goverment title. Even a piece of shit like this. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

Ever think its cheaper to manufacture this stuff elsewhere because US business has been regulated into the ground? Why make it here and go out of business instead of making it else where and turning a profit? Seems like a no brainier. That isn't the manufacture selling out; that is the result of an over regulating government.

Let me see if i can add a bit of a "twist" on the "no refusal" DUI checkpoint thing...  As i understand it (...and as others have pointed out or hinted at...) a "drivers license" is a special permission given out to a citizen by the state for the right to do a certain thing (...drive...) with certain conditions attached (....think training, drivers testing, insurance, not doing certain things; like drinkin or dopin here....) all for a fee (...of course....) as opposed to a constitutional issue..  The constitution says nothin about states issuing licenses.  We can have a big discussion about whether this "license - fee" thing is good; but it's the norm and aint gonna change.   Said another way; a "license" has "strings attached" and requirements that are demanded by the state.  One of the big strings is a requirement that says "dont drive impaired"....  The stated reason is that ya cant drive too well impaired.  It endangers others. Bingo (...or eureka...) we've found the basis for "no refusal" DUI checkpoints.... .  We can quibble about the Fourth Amendment thing a bit; but it appears that the courts have long ruled that LEO has the prerogative (...even a duty, if ya are into "serving and protecting" the community....) to set up DUI checkpoints and its a slam dunk that they have "probable cause" to do so... Take a look at the number of "driving impaired" crashes anywhere... Like it or not, they dont need a warrant if there is a state law in place that outlines the "strings attached to driving"....   Take a look at the news... There is not a week (...or sometimes even 2 to 3 days...) that goes by without some drunken son or daughter of satan either crashing or killin another driver in your neck of the woods.  There's is one that just happened the other day or two that killed some innocent folks right here in east tennessee.  The dammed drunken driver wuz drivin on a revolked license and wuz a chronic offender.  Evidently the 3 strikes and your out doesnt work on some folks.   DUI checkpoints calm down this epidemic of "impaired driving" to some extent; and i think that's a good thing.   If everyone had good sense, ya wouldn't need DUI checkpoints.   Casual observation will demonstrate that lots of folks aint too smart.    The world is upside down... Dont fall into the trap of thinkin that somehow that your constitutional rights are being somehow violated when ya get in your car and encounter a DUI checkpoint... I've been thru bunches of them... I think they save lives... We can quibble about what ought to be done with drunk and impaired driving chronic offenders -- i tend to think we ought to shoot 'em--- but that's just me.   RE: the "mean overbearing LEO thing"... Yeah there are some out there; but the vast majority of LEO types are professional and tryin to do the right thing for the right reasons... The fact is that we live in an imperfect world where folks of all stripes do wrong things.  That is the nature of the fallen state of man...  I say give 'em a break; they aint the gestapo and they aint gonna haul ya off to the gulag or shoot ya (...unless ya do somethin real stupid...).   I say "dont drive impared" and "drive safely"... the life ya save could be your own, your neighbors, or your loved ones.... . That is a very important and worthwhile thing.....   leroy

Since Mid March ive rode 700+ miles on my bicycle and lost 26 pounds. When i started i went 3 miles and about died. Now i knock 16 miles out daily and get bored soon as im done. Im a riding junkie now. Lol

  Wasn't me. Bacon is sacred to me

  Yeah I think Rand Paul cleared that one up today with Kerry.  He said if they were to vote down an action, the president would probably just do what he wants anyways.

Ya ruined your rifle, send it to me for proper testing,with LOTS of ammo. I will report in a few days to weeks. :squint:   JK, I am with the others, your rifle is fine, but if you are worried, reread the first 2 lines.

POTUS is a muslin!!! He will do anything he can to help them get a foot hold anywhere, remember Egypt! It is his way to keep them off his back, to keep them from letting go the crap in our country. He has to help them, PERIOD! Bet my last dollar an attack will happen in this country, marshal law will fallow. The UN will be asked to help , WHAT WILL YOU SAY WHEN THE UN KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR? I will tell them to go away, I dont need their help!

The bees aren't really noticeable unless you stand in their flight path. When you do, they'll bump into your head till you get out of the way. Bees really are very docile. They aren't like wasp, that always have attitude. I've taken friends to my hive before and are always amazed that the bees take a lot to get to the point where they'll sting. Today, it's crazy here at my house. I put my harvest equipment out and the bees are in a frenzy cleaning it. [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/zbqh.jpg/] MacGyver, mi esposa and I will probably bee in Franklin tomorrow..

  you know the little plastic tip that you thread the cleaning patch throug.  They come standard in most "off the shelf" cleaning kits

As I spend most of my week driving to work locations, I've tried to find a good method for drawing a concealed weapon while wearing a seat belt.  My solution is to have a second weapon available.

With the NAA -- 22 mag.  Most of the firearms I own could be bought, and I would find a replacement.  The NAA -- well, it would have to be another NAA.  Goes everywhere I go, even when the bigger and better have to stay home.

The rules don't apply to the FBI Hostage Roasting Teams.

I dont really "feel" safe anywhere any more. Like Mike, my place is cool.

Nashville = Jefferson St, Lafayette, Dickerson rd. all no-white-man's land.

I carry owb in a crossdraw position......no problem drawing from the driver position. Works for me.

This is why I hat3 the man working for Troy Industries now. He was the spotter for these shots. "Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, from a position over 200 yards north and above the Weaver cabin,shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son.(The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, blowing off half of Vicki Weaver's face and killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[51] in her arms.[53] The Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) Ruby Ridge Task Force Report (June 10, 1994) stated in section I. Executive Summary subhead B. Significant Findings that the second shot did not satisfy constitutional standards for legal use of deadly force.[54] The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing through the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it. While controversy exists as to who is responsible for approving the ROE that were being followed by the sniper, the task force also condemned the so-called "rules of engagement" allowing shots to be fired with no request for surrender." They took a bad shot, on shitty shoot on sight ROE. And still people defend their actions as right. Maybe he should have let that shot go. Seems even the legal system agrees he was in the wrong. So go ahead and support you good ol boys with a badge Dave. I hope it rest easy on your mind that you have no issues with murder as long as the man behind the trigger has a badge. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

[quote name="The Itis" post="1025472" timestamp="1378105566"] Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read. I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand. American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government. Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news. I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke? Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over. American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem. Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"[/quote] Sweet baby Jesus, the reason US business can't compete globally is because the government punishes them financially and regulatory. They can't produce a product cheaper than other countries because of how expensive we have made it for them to operate; minimum wage, crushing taxes, OSHA, EPA, Obamacare, unemployment, and about 20 other government regulatory agencies that so many businesses have to be in compliance with. The game is rigged and the answer IS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT!!! It never is the answer. Try to start a business in any kind of manufacturing. It is almost impossible. Ad let me just add: do you know what overhead is? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm serious. If you know what it is then you know that overhead has a direct correlation to the retail cost of any particular item. You have to agree with that. It is a solid fact. If you agree to that I suggest you attempt to calculate the amount of overhead a manufacturer has to deal with that is solely related to government regulations and taxes. It costs money. That cost is passed on to the consumer. The consumer is not willing to pay that extra cost when there is a cheaper alternative. The cheaper alternative doesn't have as much overhead because they live in countries with less regulations and taxes. The choice for both the consumer and the business is simple; the consumer will buy cheap and the manufacturer will move overseas. When it becomes cheaper to manufacture it here, then you would see less jobs go overseas and more domestic growth, but the artificial overhead created by the government must be eliminated. Raising taxes on imports so that domestic products are more competitive does not solve the problem. It only causes consumers to pay more, which causes them to buy less. That is where the economy comes into play. Less spending equals less revenue for retailers and related businesses which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs..... The answer isn't to fix problems with domestic production by punishing consumers, it's to stop the endless cycle of regulations that has chased all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The government can't create jobs. That has been proven how many hundreds of times now? How could anyone still believe that?

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Or, just get a revolver..  If she can't pull the slide on a semi-auto, she probably isn't going to be comfortable with it if she needs it.  Get a revolver.  Simple as point and shoot.  She should be able to handle a .38 hopefully.  

Umm, like every time I watch a movie the criminals always have fully automatic guns and silencers. Clearly they're a preferred tool of gangsters and need to be thrown into the fires or Mordor.