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I'll come at this from a slightly different angle... As Prag mentioned he does not drink or "fiddle with his damn gun either". THAT is most likely the real reason-sober or not- that the gun went off. Modern pistols with drop safeties only go off ONE way and that is for the trigger to be pressed. I would be interested to see exactly WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED to cause this. Needless (and careless) handling of the gun caused by poor carry methods tend to lead tho this sort of thing more times than not. The odds are OVERWHELMING that he did not pull the gun out and intentionally discharge it, It was most likely an accident caused by unsafe carry methods. My guess (and I could be wrong) is that he probably was either carrying without a holster (anyone remember Plaxico Burress shooting himself when his pistol fell down the inside of his pants leg after being "Mexican carried" in his waistband?) or was carrying with a crappy holster and the gun came dislodged somehow. He probably was trying to readjust it and got trigger either wrapped up with finger or clothing and gun then predictably fires. THAT is how they are designed to work. Pull the trigger..... get loud noise. Now before anyone says "yeah but.... he shouldn't have been drinking" that does NOT change the veracity of my point in the least. If he were .10 BAC but not TOUCHING THE GUN it would not go off. Guns do not go off on their own in the presence of alcohol....someone has to be handling the gun and there is no reason to do that in a restaurant ...unless it is no longer secure.... Right now as I sit here sober as a teetotaler typing this the ONLY way my gun in its holster can possibly go off is for me to pull it out of the holster far enough to manipulate the trigger. Alcohol is largely irrelevant if the gun is not handled.....the CARELESS HANDLING caused the discharge...not the presence of alcohol. It may have contributed to the careless handling but alcohol was not the CAUSE of the discharge. So what do we learn from this? Carry it in a REAL professionally designed big boy holster not some cheap garbage that does not prevent the trigger from being manipulated or just stuffed in a pocket or a waistband. Stone cold sober or not there is no reason to carelessly handle the gun in a restaurant . If you are having to handle it because you refuse to buy a real holster and it has come loose from where you are carrying it then stuff like this happens.

These types of things are to be expected at a place that serves nachos in dog food bowls.

This is why we can’t have nice things. Here’s some lovely ammo for the folks who’d like to repeal “guns in bars” as it was so wonderfully dubbed back in the run up to restaurant carry being passed. I’ll be honest, I don’t think it’s a big deal to have a drink or two while carrying. If you are unsafe with a gun after a drink or two, it’s probably not the gun that is the problem. But crap like this is what makes life hard on the rest of us. Whatever you do and however you do it, be responsible and safe while doing it. If you screw up, own it. Don’t run off like a coward. Whatever you do, stop making life hard on the rest of us!

If the accused is found not to be a threat the accuser should have to pay for the accused defense and time lost. A hostile neighbor , relative or disgruntled employee can claim you are a threat for no good reason and cost you a chunk of money.

For me it boils down to when they take the firearms. If a person is flagged, goes through due process and is found dangerous. Then they can take their guns. However, if a flagged person's guns are confiscated first and then they have to go through the process, it becomes guilty until proven innocent. That I want no part of. Honestly, the whole idea of "Red Flag" laws scares the Hell outta me. The potential for abuse is mind boggling.

So long as there is true due process, I have no issue with this. It cannot simply be because of the word of a single person and law enforcement should not have the right to arbitrarily or prematurely take guns. If someone goes to court and proves it, I don't know how you can argue. Will it be perfect, no, but we also can't say under no circumstances should someone never be able to have a gun taken away.

From David Codrea, one of the two main folks who broke the Fast & Furious story. The rest of the article is after the jump. ‘It’s unclear what the president hopes to accomplish by alienating his strongest supporters at a time he is being closed in on from all sides by powers intent on destroying him. If he believes this will satisfy the gun-grabbers and make them go away, that ignores everything about their incremental tactics. Experience shows they will take a piece here and a “compromise” there, and then use that position to launch their next demand for more. ...... If President Trump gets away with this usurpation of undelegated power, guess what the Democrats will be able to pull the next time they take the White House.’ https://www.ammoland.com/2018/11/pending-trump-bump-stock-ban-wont-satisfy-enemies-but-will-alienate-allies/

Time to flood his office with emails and correspondence. It's bad enough that we have had "soft" Republicans sit on good pro-gun legislature, now they want to introduce this mess.

No worries man, it is just that on a personal level I find it extremely ironic that somehow in all the other states that allow drinking while carrying we just do not see widespread blood in the streets from crazed drunken gunfights in bars. If the Pennsylvanians of Quaker descent can somehow see their way to passing legislation approving being armed and drinking alcohol as long as you are not over the limit to drive then you'd think that the Tennesseans of Revolutionary War veteran descent might be able to come to the same conclusion.... but as of yet that is not the case. At the National Tactical Invitational in 2007 in Harrisburg PA there were probably 100 armed people drinking in the bar of the host hotel every night of the event ....which was perfectly legal under Pennsylvania law.......and even with a room full of ARMED type A personalities (many with more than one gun on them) there were no incidents at all. Here's a secret. There have ALWAYS been armed people in bars. I worked in the bar business for a few years in college. People ALREADY carried guns in bars before it was legal AT ALL and yet we do not see the streets running red from drunken gun battles over Monday Night Football at Hooters ..... or over games of pool at any number of "dive" bars throughout the state. And if they think none of those people that are drinking are carrying or that none of the people that are carrying are drinking no matter what the law says , that is just naive on the part of the legislature. As long as there have been bars there have been people carrying weapons in them...legal or not. Now.....Is it a good idea to drink a beer and carry? That is a 100 page thread for another time. Is it a good idea to be armed and go out drinking with the intention of getting drunk. ABSOLUTELY NOT...and there is really no debate on that. But then again the effects a beer or two might have on a 100 lb non drinker vs the effect it will have on a 250 lb person who drinks alcohol regularly are different. Two beers over the course of an hour might have little effect on one and have much more effect on the other. And lets be honest which is more LIKELY to cause death or injury? Driving at .05 BAC or carrying a gun at .05 BAC? Driving your car is far more common than pulling your gun out is.... Which REALLY effects more people? I didn't mean to derail the thread, my point is simply that for some reason some people in Tennessee think alcohol causes guns to go off.... Pulling the trigger is what causes guns to go off. It is either a conscious decision (good or bad) to pull the trigger or it is an accident (normally caused from needless and careless handling) when they do go off unintentionally. I doubt this case was a conscious alcohol impaired bad decision to fire the gun and was more likely careless handling due to poor choice in carry method. But again I could be wrong. But based on being around armed people (both the well trained and the woefully untrained and both the legally and illegally armed ) on a daily basis for 25 years I feel pretty comfortable that this was probably not a conscious decision and more likely careless handling that led to this incident. And careless handling due to poor carry methods are the most dangerous part of the equation......not the presence of the alcohol.....in my opinion. End Notes: For those who might not quite be tracking the reference I mention "of Quaker descent" as that Quakers are who founded Pennsylvania and "Revolutionary War veterans" are largely who founded TN as land in TN was given as grants for service in the war. Both my mother and father's families were early pioneers in Tennessee and both families had Revolutionary War veterans. In fact my father's family was here in Tennessee before TN was a state and before the USA existed....

As always, the devil is in the details. Developing a process where there is true due process to determine if someone is a danger isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Ideally it would work in conjunction with adjustments to involuntary psychiatric hold laws to make it easier to get help for folks that need it while at the same time providing for a way for folks to have their rights reinstated after a period of time of improved mental health. Many psychiatric disturbances are temporary in nature and the laws should recognize that. An acquaintance of mine framed this in what I think is a near perfect manner. “If we viewed these mass shooting incidents as suicide in want of company, we might actually make some progress.” He was right. As gun owners we can’t say “this is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.” Then bury our heads in the sand and do nothing about addressing mental health issues. I don’t know that the bill being introduced by Dickerson is a good one or not, but I do think that as a state level action, there is the chance to actually make it a quality piece of workable law, and failing that tank it for cause and be vocal about why it wasn’t good legislation. This is a moment where movement will be made on these types of laws whether we like it or not. At the state level, we can make it a good law or we can eat a bad one. It’s up to us to choose. **I just encouraged civic engagement with lawmakers, do y’all know how bitter of a taste that leaves in my mouth? What’s the world coming to?**

This thing is pretty cool. I didn't even know these existed. This one is chambered in .416 Rem Mag and the capacity is 8 rounds. If I was doing a lot of dangerous game African hunting this would be on my short list of guns to get. This one is being sold in an auction. Preauction estimate is $14,000.

9 students, rain, wind, mud, one flat tire, and 2 stuck vehicles later, another succesful training day in my log book. The Students: made 3 new acquaintances I hope develop into friendships and always enjoy seeing and engaging with people who have become friends through this venue. Why is it easier to make friends within the gun culture? I think it is due to the common interest and similar motivations for personal gun ownership we all share. The Weather: Training in the rain is not a hardship, but it slows down the class. Targets and backers simply don't last, add some wind and my flying pop-up shelter, it reduces the user experience. I will get a pair of inexpensive muckers. While my feet got damp and cold (socks) my Clark's were amazingly water resistant. Throw a pair of muckers with good socks in the trunk and I've got a good solution. The weather did add the thick, multi layer clothing challenge to my draw which slowed me down. Adding layers, 100% drawing from cover, a lack of dry practice over the last 2 weeks, using a new holster, and failing to roll the trigger during extension were all areas needing improvement, all on the same day. Since I crushed the Snow Man Drill, I am certainly not discouraged. Good variety of timed and untimed drills as well as an interactive man-on-man steel shoot off.

A sizable and hefty tire iron rides in my truck. Hey, I have big tires There’s also a jack and a lug wrench. It’s legit

Howdy.

Discharge of a gun in the city for 1. Possession of a handgun while consuming 2. Impairment not a requirement....just influence, and that is one sip. Child endangerment 3. Fleeing the scene 4. All wrapped up with a 'consciousness of guilt' by fleeing. Wouldn't want to be that guy.

It happened at the new Double Dogs at 8910 Kingston Pike, Knoxville, TN 37923. They tore down the old Rafferty's and built it earlier this year.

To me the devil is in the details. Unfortunately, the government doesn't tend to go back and correct their mistakes. In the case of guns they'll claim that it's better to err on the side of caution regardless of the consequences to the victim.

I’m not addressing his HCP; the responding Officer will have little concern about that. My point is that if you ever discharge a firearm or have to threaten someone with a firearm; stay and talk to the Police. They have discretion. If you are not there they have one side of the story. If I were the detail Officer on that call I would simply have Officers go to your house, arrest you, and book you, or go get an arrest warrant; whatever the law requires.

I have no problem with that. But as Chuck says the devil is in the details. We don’t know what the details are yet. The Senates website does not show any bills sponsored by Senator Dickerson. Too many people cry out, act out or threaten violence with guns. They aren’t protected by the 2nd amendment and the majority of Americans do not want them to have guns. I believe a court hearing should be required; the person should be notified and allowed to attend. Just keep in mind this will be done in hours; not days. Yes, weapons can be seized by Officers at the scene (if cops are called), but if cause is not upheld they are returned immediately; no matter what the PD or DA’s weapon policies are. Of course the potential for abuse is great. But failure to act can be deadly. I’ve asked this question before and never got a good answer... can’t Tennessee law enforcement already do this without due process? If so, would this legislation help the person get Due Process?

Why waste the primers? Just remove the decapping pin from the sizing die, and resize with the primer in place. In my case, with Lee dies, I just break off the decapping part and leave the expander. The replacement pin is cheap. Some better dies allow you to remove the decapping pin. I have tons of primed Lake City brass. No way I am gonna trash a bunch of CCI 43 primers, and then replace them with the same thing.

I haven't tried that brand, but it's on my Christmas "Wish List" for Santa this year. I've used hand-crank devices and they generally work fine. A minute of cranking will get you X minutes of use. More for low-power items like a radio or LED, less for high power items like charging a phone.

Not the greatest book but it's worth reading just to finish the series up. They have it at the library.

One Second After = A+ One Year After = B- The Final Day = Why did I read that?

I would dare say a lot of people are no better off here at this point. I know a lot of coworkers that eat out almost every meal. In NE TN you see scores of condo and apartment complexes going up. That means people packed like sardines with no alternate heat or food prep options. Even if you have some supplies, it means you are surrounded by 100 people without.

If you like Brit-coms, currently running on Netflix.

Don't forget E TN is in a major fault area as well. Wonder what us "hillbillies" would do in a major earthquake.

That is where your gun hobby and ammo come into play....

All I did was level the ground and lay the blocks and fill in he holes inside the blocks with sand . I didn't even concrete them togather. The sand insulates the heat so it cooks better. One block from the top I put some rebar which holds the metal grate that I put the meat on. The top is just some old plywood.

Back in 2003 Hurricane Elvis taught me some powerful lessons. I'm not exactly the bunker and beans type either. But, if it came down to it, I can survive for a couple of months on what I have. So I can outlast most of my neighbors who will be starving in a week and moving on to greener pastures. That is if I can manage not to get murdered for my supplies.

I really enjoyed One Second After. How did I not know about One Year After?! I’ll have to get it and The Final Day. i’m not really a prepper either but I am prepared

My take, on guns still in production or still available everywhere, I try to follow the 80% rule meaning if buying used the used "asking" price has to be <80% of what I can buy it new for. One cannot expect to get new pricing or close to it, when there is no warranty provided and there is just peace of mind of the gun ownership history when buying new, if used there is always that slight risk. Magazines, even Glock OEMs, if one is patient can be found in the $18-$20 with free shipping from internet retailers. The fun sticks can be found too relatively not much more in premium. So to summarize, a new Glock Gen IV 19 can be found <$500 (Grab a gun) plus local FFL fee and the state $10 fee. You can do the math from there.

So, no new law while the item in question does not fit the strict law. Law is not updated to improve definition. Bureaucrats decide it's illegal and enter it into register and turn many folks into criminals overnight. Tyranny

I don't think the .380 is designed to be a "manstopper" . I carry a Ruger LCPII .380 and to me it is my "get the hell away from me" gun. Lord forbid if I ever have to use it but if I did , to me , it is the gun to get the bad guy to stop doing bad stuff and to get off of me so that I can get to a safe place. I don't expect it to me a "manstopper" . I love the Ruger LCP , so easy to throw it in my pocket to go to the autoparts store , or anywhere without using a belt and holster.

I have a October vacation and new ring for the wife as a priority but @Capbyrd lucked up on a set of axles from a Scout II for a great price. So I’ve purchased axles for the Scout now. Can’t wait until I can really start on her in earnest.

I've met several people in Seattle that made me suspect that they had already been going without shower water for a month or two. Never seen so many women with armpit hair as I did in the PNW.

If its Walking in Memphis they should include belt fed.