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It's not an insult, it's just an observation. And Robert if you had paid any attention to my previous post, you would had noticed the portion where I had stated that there was a substantial percentage of the population who have this particular way of thinking & that it was pointless to argue, debate or try to compromise with folks who have the "authoritative mindset" because the more law & order there is, the more comfortable they feel. This sort of deeply entrenched "authoritative mindset" is rampant on both sides of the political aisle (because it is rampant in our population at large) and always seems to manifest itself in the politics & ideology of both the Repub & Dem political party's, resulting ultimately in pieces of legislation after pieces of legislation, generation after generation being passed which constantly/ceaselessly infringes on the social chaos that is created by freedom & liberty. Law & order is diameterically opposed with freedom & liberty, the more of one, the less of the other, you cannot have both complete law & order as well as complete freedom & liberty. And a balance cannot be struck somewhere in the middle because of the vast number of folks (who have an authoritiative mindset) who are uncomfortable with any sort of social chaos that is created when other folks are free & at liberty to do whatever the heck they want, whenever the heck they want to do it. This is the source of tyranny, this is the dragon that must be slain.

Harry Reid May 18, 2005

I think people may be underestimating how vulnerable they are in the event of a surprise attack both in terms of the ability to execute the attack and the effect it will/can have.   In a city, particularly a busy one, it's hard not to have people in your personal space and in your blind spot. Also, when an attack occurs, your reflexes will not be primed to help absorb/roll with the blow.   With that being said, maintain as much awareness as possible, be suspicious of anything out of the ordinary, and like Bersaguy says, eye contact and don't look like a victim.

   "Fill your hand, you son of a bitch". - Rooster Cogburn

Sadly, I believe our elections are probably as corrupt as any in the world. I can't imagine Reid (who was reelected after a mysterious power outage in Las Vegas) would do such a thing without the king's guarantee that the libs would keep the Senate. Just another reason to abolish the 17th amendment.

Only 22 current Democrats in the Senate have ever been in minority.  Funny how this might be used against them in a year or so.   I can't figure out the motivation for them to do this right now.   Further evidence that the DNC has never met a sure thing they can't find a way to screw up.

  I don't want him arguing my rights, and I don't want him to be used to take them away. The murder trial had the right outcome. I don't care if they lock him up for being a dumbass. That's a whole nuther deal.

Nonsense, I don’t get out of my vehicle and start chasing people just because they don’t look like they belong in my neighborhood. If I did, I wouldn’t be shocked when I was arrested; its assault. I don’t pull guns and threaten women and I don’t live with women that would call the cops on me. So any of this happening to me….. not a chance.

I posted this because I hear about some people having issues with their local gun stores and I wanted to write something positive about mine. I recently missed out on the purchase of a Remington 870 Magpul at another LGS. I called Chance this morning, and not only was he able to quickly locate the shotgun, he also saved me a pile of money over what I was going to pay at another store. To show my support, I spent most of what I saved on ammo. I can say without a doubt that Halfpint takes care of me every time that I visit Classic Arms for a purchase or transfer. Good guy!

I really believe limiting what people can do with property they own is a gross infringement of a natural right unless you can show real harm.   I believe we can work things out without the needing the government to use force to enforce agreements between neighbors.   If I do something on my property that harms you, take me to court and recover damages.  The problem is most of the restrictions in place via zoning laws, and frankly between other local ordinances would be completely unenforceable if that was the standard because in the vast majority of enforcement actions there is NO HARM.   Be honest, you like it the government uses force to make your neighbors use their property how you see fit, and you use the possibility of some harm that could theoretically happen as the justification for infringing on their right.   You also have to keep in mind that our founders never imagined a world where every possible square inch of land was incorporated and there would be no escape from these petty tyrants.  

  That's just because it wasn't a Glock .40

Watch "Funny Goats Screaming like Humans" on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlYlNF30bVg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 Pretty much what Mike said, they already have enough rope to hang themselves from but figure if they get enough slack they might can tie some loops to grasp onto so they don't hang by their necks. If only we had a media that was willing to do it's job. If we had that one thing... we would be in a totally different situation. Not only would Obama never have been relected but his lies would have been uncovered and broadcast during the beginning of his first term limiting what he would have been able to get done. There's a lot of things that would make our situation better, hell almost anything would be better but I think a non partisan media is at the top of that list. They are supposed to be our link and without that we are steered where ever they want us. This deal should never have been allowed to happen.

Maybe they figure if Obama is allowed to perform his "magic", he can dig himself out of the crapper. I'm thinking the more he gets away with, the lower he's gonna sink.

NO!!! It will probably start with one of our members getting tired of waiting for a race war to start.

It's a sensational story from a viral video about a probable non-event with no actual proof of it occurring anywhere outside of the video.

I was just posting the clip cause of other statements made about possibly profiling the wrong person to attack. That was all. True of the taser would have worked properly the story wouldn't have played out the way it did. The only thing that can prevent this is to be aware of your surroundings. Also if/when you can have a buddy. Also don't put yourself into a situation where this could be an issue.   Be polite, be professional, but have a plan..... James Mattis

Folks; im continually amazed at what i read here...   The fact is that we have an adversarial court system in this country; and that ya are "...innocent until proven guilty..."; and must be indicted for felonious crimes upon a "True Bill" from the grand jury; except when ya are in florida; which i think is a perversion of the law by the florida state attorney that should be addressed...     No one has conferred sainthood on the Z-Man here; and i doubt that any of us would want the "Z-Man" as an in-law or even a distant relative...   He is, in fact, foolish in my view; and that is bein pretty charitable with the adjectives and descriptors here.... All that bein said; he is still a citizen of the good ole usa and the state of florida  and he has, in fact, been given a trial by his peers in which he wuz found "not guilty"...  The state's attorney decided not to appeal this case because they full-well knew it couldn't go anywhere; and there are plenty of folks that think (...includin me...) that he shouldnt have been tried to begin with...   The fact is that Trayvon Martin wuz a dammed thug that got exactly what he asked for... Martin is being used in death to further the political ambitions of Ben Crump on the national scene, to assuage the pain of grieving and doting parents in a sad attempt at semi-deifying and conferring sainthood on a thug son, and to feather the nests of some sorry florida politicians (...democrats and republicans...) to curry the black vote in florida and on the national scene...   The fact is, that this whole thing was never about justice for anyone from the beginning... It was about furthering political agendas on a local, state and national level... Ray Charles (...if he wuz still down on the earth with us...) could see that...   Zimmerman is being painted as a "stone cold killa" (...which, by the way, is what i think Trayvon wanted to be...) who has cheated the system; when nothing could be farther from the truth...  He was, in fact, found innocent of a crime by a jury of his peers in the state of florida, and we (...as well as others have to accept that verdict, even Eric Holder has had to accept it; look who he is....)  I think the truth is that he is a nondescript little guy with some problems that have become very public because of the political head-hunting that is goin on... To not bee able to see that, smacks of some real need for some fairness and common sense calibration of your intuitive judgement glasses....   Everyone here can rest assured that the Z-Man will be tried and tried again until he is jailed in florida because that is, apparently, what the political apparatchiks in the state government want... It doesn't have a dammed thing to do with guilt or innocence; and has everything to do with political pandering of the worst sort; up to, and most possibly including the bribing of par-amours and gold diggin harpys by those interested in feathering their political nests...    I say, if the citizens for florida like that kind of political class persecution and hounding; keep votin for the sons and daughters of satan who are doin them dirty things... I've got friends who moved from the very area that his circus is goin in because of this very sort of thing...   On a personal basis, i could care less about what they do in florida... I'm beginnin to believe it is a separate banana republic type country anyway... The carpetbaggers and racebaiters are busy destroying what wuz a pretty good place to live...   All of us on both sides of this little "discussion" about george zimmerman need to get down on our knees and thank Providence that we dont have a states's prosecutor like Angela Corey and a millionaire political zealot like Ben Crump in this state to do these sorts of things...It was once said that "...citizens get the government they deserve..."... We better hope that we don't get what the citizenry of florida have gotten on this one...   I say "...let there be a pox on both houses..." of those who want to keep on tryin george zimmerman in the court of public opinion... Ya better be worried that this sort of justice doesnt come to a place near you... The hide ya save may be your own...  I say, dont be guilty of the things that the political operatives and apparatchiks of florida are clearly guilty of.... Hounding and continually harassing an unpopular and, quite possibly very foolish little man over and over until ya get the result (...and verdict...) ya want...   That aint justice folks; it's the ultimate injustice... It's nothin more than a re-dux of post civil war reconstruction politics where white (...and nearly white...) folks are being persecuted because of their color; and where black folks are being deified because of their color; all for the sake of politics... The whole dammed thing is offensive to me; and it should be to you as well...   leroy

There is a big difference between folks who believe he is innocent and folks who want to believe he is innocent. Even I, who hold the opinion he went looking for trouble, believe that there was not enough evidence in the end for a conviction, or even a charge for that matter. However, folks here and elsewhere in the gun owning community have professed their belief that Zimmerman is a great guy they would support on a personal level. He is a sociopath. Anyone with common sense can see that. The only way to believe otherwise is to believe that all these people unrelated to one another just have it out for him... like the woman who accused him of years of sexual abuse, or the girlfriend that accused him of physical abuse, or the 17 year old who he shot, or the cop that accused him of drunken assault, or the wife who accused him of abuse or the recent girlfriend who accused him of physical abuse and him holding her at gunpoint. It adds up and paints a picture that most sane people can see clearly.

Hey now, some of us are on vacation so happy hour already started. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm gonna get back to my race war preparedness research. Let me know if any of them gays show up.

  I have a feeling this might actually end up paying pretty well.

A $1,000 investment in tar & feathers would probably save our nation hundreds of billions in waste, fraud & abuse ...

These kids are not 100% stupid.  I would say the video footage is probably only a fraction what is going one, but I observed.  Kids in a group, attack a lone person walking opposite.  What appears to be a woman, sucker punched from behind, goes down like a pancake.  Only situational awareness gives one the edge, not the gun.  They'll pass by the one that is aware and choose the one trying to update his Facebook as he/she walks down the street.

(Based on raising two boys to adulthood and being  a retired High School teacher)   Ghetto kids do this kind of crap. White boys play football and rape high school girls.   Sorry , but I have bad news for all the of those that believe this is a race thing. It is a matter of age. The average teenage boy is undergoing terrible hormone changes, all of which affect his thinking processes. In some kids it is more pronounced than in others . Many teen-agers , not all, but many, would fall under the DSM diagnosis of Psychotic at any given time. In many cases it is simply a matter of better parents or better peers (social crowd) that keep them from going over the deep end. This is why it is so easy for gangs to recruit members, especially from single parent homes and rough neighborhoods. As adults, especially in highly visible positions such as politics and entertainment are openly using drugs and lying and cheating on a regular basis their are no "good models" to provide balance. Bad kids come out of a bad society, and our society sucks right now!

Y'all are going to be disappointed in that vest.    I know the price is attractive, but a lot of the "tactical vests" on the market today are overblown photojournalist vests that they ran in ACU instead of khaki.   It might be okay if the only time you're going to put it on is when you take out the trash and then promptly go back inside, but wear it longer than that and you'll be disappointed.  The craftsmanship, fit, adaptability and durability of that vest are lacking.   If you're looking for a vest, it's worth the money to get an actual MOLLE equipped plate carrier that you can customize when you figure out that the placement of all those magazines, Twinkies and whatever else you strap on there isn't to your liking.  Or, if you're not going to use all that real estate to actually carry armor, you might consider a good belt and some mag carriers like HSGI makes.

Excellent video and a sound argument for "doing the right thing". We have to follow our own moral compass.   If I am forced to shoot someone (I pray that never happens), it is not to kill them...but to halt their violent aggressive action. After that, when I am confident the scene is safe enough, I will render care. It's my choice and my plan.   The other point is to have the gear available and accessible for self-care, or to be used by someone else to treat you. I keep a "mini-BOK" in my right hip pocket. It contains a TQ, Emergency bandage, and a small PriMed gauze (for wound packing). I keep what Yeager describes as their VOK, of my own making, in my rangebag, in my auto's, in my GHB, and rifle cases.   Way back before dirt was invented and I was a Corpsman, I made sure all of the young Marines in my charge had identical med gear in a known location, on their persons, and damn well made sure that each of them knew the what, where, and how of it.   It's just common sense. And it is good to hear it being discussed.   Disclaimer: I am an RN (ER) and long ago had EMT Creds and I have stopped at many, many MVC's (car wrecks) over the years and given care. I have never once been threatened with a lawsuit.   Thanks for posting the vid Robert.   Self Care and Buddy Care should be as much a part of our training and practice as shooting holes in things.  Just my unsolicited and ever devaluing $.02 worth.  :cool:

Gander Mountain is for "gandering" only.  "spending" is done elsewhere :D

I was reading a post this morning and it made me think about starting a picture thread of what people are running for rigs. If this has already been done my apologies. I am running a TYR PICO with level 3a soft armor and ESAPI plates. Some HSGI taco pistol pouches and that's it. I love it nice and simple. The belt is solid HSGI. And it has a G-code RTI holster setup. That way I can swap out holsters at the push of a button and run a different set up.

Oh Lordy here we go.......lol The best caliber for self defense is the caliber in your hand when you need it most......

yeah, i thought the guy was making some good points, but piers just wasn't going to listen.

Article is retarded   Using that logic, the author is suggesting that police only get shot or suffer serious injury if they work in a densely populated area.  I would bet you a cheeseburger that plenty of LEO's here could poke holes in that all day long.   Why do they need "military style" (I always love that generic terminology) equipment?  For the same reason you can have 100 round drums for an AK, because they can.

I have thought about these issues, and there are no easy answers. In my core I am a utopian but not a naive one. Much of the currently powerful will remain so, that can't be helped. The reason I called BS on your point about the redistrubution of amassed wealth is that it was the exact same sort of reasoning used in calls for reparations for slavery. What has happened in the past, though wrong as it may have been, cannot be addressed now through any sort of forced larceny on the inheritors of those enriched by that wrongdoing. To legitimize that sort of plunder under the auspices of "creating a level playing field" would simply be Marxism. I'm an ancap, not an ansoc. ;)   As I mentioned before, I have a large pragmatic streak and I understand most folks are scared of the idea of really being free, so in theory I could accept a return of our government to its initial state. The problem is that we know it doesn't work. Lysander Spooner summed up the problem quite nicely in his pamphlet "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority". If people could mind their own business and go about living their lives instead of other people's lives then it would work. That just doesn't happen though as the world is filled with insufferable busybodies and wannabe petty tyrants who wish to control what other people do in thier lives, on their property and in their homes. Government gives them a framework to enforce their will on others and the mantle of legitimacy because they took a vote on the issue and called it "democracy in action". If the choice is between something that is known to not work and something untried, I will go for the untried every time. Our governmental framework, while more successful than any other so far, doesn't work. Lysander had it right, the Constitution either explicity authorizes what we have, or was powerless to stop it. It just didn't work.

  The NBP have a total of 10 members. That ain't much of a war

Yeah everyone wants to speculate on what glock coulda/woulda/shoulda made, I say a glock derringer. In .44 Henry Rimfire.

Custom made PACA vest with the lightest 3A soft armor (at the time) made. Full wrap around 3A protection. Seven Tactical Taylor AR pouches and two of their mag pouches. As well as a few other admin/donut/cupcake/comms pouches. Lightweight 3A helmet. North American Rescue Products CCRK. Serpa "Holster of death" for my 1911. I also carried a "3 day" pack with other stuff I might need like another 20 magazines, food, water, first aid, batteries and secondary communications. I still need to pick up some plates. I always used the ones issued to save shipping weight when heading overseas. Probably going to order some steel plates from these guys: http://www.ar500armor.com/ I prefer steel over ceramic because of the ease of getting into and out of vehicles.

Got it! Thanks Lumber! It's almost invisible so i didnt see it.

Yuuup. Folks still don't get that. Trayvon was a thug therefore Zimmerman is a saint. The world is and has always been against him, and all those run-ins with the law were irrelevant.

  One of those mantis chicks. "I was motor boating away, and next thing I knew, my head was gone".

hard to believe it only took him 2 + years to find this thread :yuck:  :down:  :rofl:  

It's good to see that not everyone has been drinking this early in the day. It seems that as we age, people get so caught up reminiscing about the so called "good old days" that they forget that we have always lived in a violent world. I guess that it's just more terrifying when the thing that you fear most causes you to lose sleep at night. ;)

I didn't understand a word he said..:(

So there was a legitimate reason to pull a weapon on a bunch of unarmed females? Get f***ed moron.

Guess your right on the price. I must have told the wife they were $30.... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

Im kinda like Punisher on this one...   It would seem that the "Z-Man" has terrible taste in women.... He seems ta find them carpet-baggin harpys and shrill-voiced, sharp toungued shrews way too often.... That seems ta be the only thing that explains his problem with women...   Maybee the Z-man is lookin in the wrong places for 'em... He may need to move across the track or back in the woods a bit and pick him out a good ole home grown country woman....   The Z-man seems harmless enough ta me; except maybe when he's gettin his brains beat out...   Maybe dear sweet Trayvon hit him harder than the prosecution and we know and addled his "woman picking center" and changed his personality...?   Where's Dr. Neil Clark Warren when ya need him?....   leroy, the pre-nuptual counselor and amateur opiner on the human condition

All that for going 16 mph above the speed limit.  Sheesh.    I would agree that the officers were in the right initially.  However, considering kids were in the vehicle, I think the line was crossed when they started busting windows.  If I was making the decisions, I pretty much agree with Dolomite.  I would probably require the primary officer to undergo further training, charge the mother (although I would not take her kids if she has a clean record), and charge the son.  The officer that was shooting?  Well...I would throw the book at him.  He has clearly proven he cannot use the proper judgement that is required to be a good officer.

  Poor has nothing to do with it.  I as well as many others grew up dirt poor, and we turned out just fine.  You had it right initially when you mentioned parental involvement,  These kid's parents are more than likely worthless pieces of excrement who really don't care about anything but themselves.  Granted, there are some exceptions, but I believe they are minority.  While I do not have any kids, I believe that it takes a lot more than just providing food, shelter, and clothing to properly raise a child.

sounds like I am the odd man out here. I bought cheep and had nothing but trouble

I'll watch any war movie that comes on and probably have already seen it over & over anyway. I particularly like Saving Private Ryan because the cinematography and special effects were like nothing used before. It really made the viewer part of the action. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

I've considered the garage myself. If I do then I plan to build a cheap-looking cabinet around it. One that looks like the kind of thing you use to store paint and other misc. crap. Other than that, get it anchored into the concrete and put a goldenrod in it and you should be good.