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[quote name="jh225" post="1140394" timestamp="1397875059"] I personally do not attend concerts or conventions, have no need to attend a college game, no need whatsover to visit a theme park, and when I do visit a national park, I do not enter the visitors center. I have no small kids, so nope, no teacher meetings. [/quote] Ah, now it makes sense. You don't care about anyone else's rights because the current laws don't restrict you since your situation isn't the same as the rest of us. How incredibly self centered. In that case, since it doesn't affect me, I would have no issues with the government deciding to strip all YOUR natural rights away immediately, since it doesn't affect me. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

So, we are ok with someone with no child handling experience produce a child?  That person will get themselves (or worse someone else) hurt/ aborted.  I agree that parenting rights shouldn't be limited but I also think people need to prove they have adequate knowledge to PRODUCE a child. Just having the plumbing doesn't help anybody.  Come up with a way that keeps our freedoms free, but requires sufficient training to produce a child and then you have my vote.  You have to keep the irresponsible and uneducated from just strapping on a woody and feeling empowered and then trying to use.  

  These two statements are utterly and totally irreconcilable.  You fail at logic, and apparently freedom. 

Well, whatever will we do without the only one professional enough.....? We get it JH. We "mere civilians" don't know what we're talking about. Thanks.

some times it just takes a certain little push from an outsider to create that little spark of curiosity and once it happens they take to it like a duck to water and then you realize you created a monster......... :rofl:   My second wife hated football because her first husband watched it but would never explain the game to her. When I was watching a game one day she came and sat down beside me and every time she would ask a question I would answer it. Here first question was what is a 1st down and I told her and the more she learned the more she wanted to know. Soon my house interior was turning orange here and orange there and I had a full blown UT NUT. I lost her in 1997 but I did fill one of her biggest dreams not knowing I was going to lose her but I got a buddy to loan me his season tickets he bought every year and even got to borrow his Chalet in Gatlinburg  for the weekend. She was excited that we were going to the mountains. I sprung the game on her after we got there. It was the same year Needem Stadium did their seat addition and when every began stomping their feet the whole place shook and you thought it was an earthquake. Sorry for going on so long but glad you got your wife included in your interests and hope she continues to enjoy it...... :up:  :up:  :up:  

Don't think I offered an opinion, I did ask a few questions of you, and stated some facts.   Once again, as you evidently did not get it, I will pose one of the questions, the most salient.  Where is it written in the Constitution that ANY amount of training is necessary to enjoy the right to keep and bear arms.  If there is no text that you can provide, then your statement about training being necessary is an opinion, is it not?

I just got word these may be done at the end of June instead of July!! I am excited these will be great knives!

I've chopped a bunch of wood over the years.  While I'm sure that the guy in this video benefits from using well seasoned straight-grained wood, this take on the axe is pretty neat:   http://www.vipukirves.fi/english/description.htm   [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jDR_2Zsr40 [/media]   And, the tire on the chopping block is  genius.

[quote name="jh225" post="1139929" timestamp="1397774976"]Sad? No, sensible. What is the point of carrying a weapon in the car with you when you are just going to leave it there when you get out of the car? You know the odds of being carjacked? Traffic accident in which someone pulls a gun? Again HUGE odds against that. Or are you going to play superman and stop a mugging that you see? Oh wait, you can't leave the car with the gun. Or hows about when you are standing in line at the 7-11 and the guy that just walked in puts a gun to your head. Is that gun you left in the car going to help you then? Nope, didn't think so. Either get the HCP and carry all the time or don't get it and be don't carry. Bringing the 2A rights into the argument for or against is pointless. If the lawmakers that are in place wanted to act according to the Constitution, we would already have no permit needed carry. Since that ain't gonna happen, go and get a HCP and stop leaving the damn weapon in the car where it is absolutely useless to you unless the big bad man comes to your window demanding the car which has less odds than hitting the lottery or being struck by lightning.[/quote] Who cares? It's none of your business when and where a person carries or if they leave a firearm in their car. Certainly none of the government's business that there would be a law restricting such. I have no issue with you having an opinion on someone storing a firearm in their automobile, but when you want to use the force of the LAW to prevent people from making a choice, you are no different than the fascists who seek to control every aspect of our lives; an enemy to the concept of liberty. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Who exactly should determine how much training is required? What sort of training? Who should decide what sort of training? Supposed 2nd Amendment supporters should stop trying to make "what they wish" into law. That's what liberals do.

What makes you think you're any better educated or more worthy to carry than others? I would like to see more readily available training out there too, but keep in mind that the right to bear arms isn't just about how much tactical training an individual has had compared to what you deemed as a standard. It's about the right to be able to defend their lives & the lives of their family in case an uneducated criminal tries to rape or kill them. Are their going to be idiots that would carry? Sure. Are their trained idiots that already carry? Sure. It's not a perfect world & adding more restrictions isn't always the answer.

Another good use for old tires, grow potatoes in them. Keep stacking tires, filling with dirt, greenery will keep rising and making potatoes beneath. You can go 5 or 6 high or so. To harvest, kick over the tires, spuds everywhere all in same limited area. Only downside is might need to water more often depending on rainfall. - OS

A mechanic is hard to find, much less a good one. Most of these dealership mechanics are nothing more than glorified parts changers.

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  You should know that if you use a firearm in justifiable self defense or defense of another, none of the weapons section penalties are applicable, permit or not, so that's a pretty moot point.   Certainly, having a legal firearm in the car is a big benefit, same as in your domicile. Maybe you take a nap at a rest area or truck stop and get accosted, maybe you come to the defense of your spouse who is outside the car toting purchases, maybe any other reasonable circumstances nearby but not actually in the confines of your vehicle -- parking lots indeed are a large percentage of robberies, shootings, etc. . Point is, law abiding folks are much more likely to be able to respond to whatever arises nearby outside the vehicle when they can legally pack heat inside the vehicle, that's only logical.   Same with your home. The castle doctrine does not give you the same presumption for deadly force outside the confines of your home, you are certainly fee to respond outside if circumstances dictate your reasonable fear of death or serious injury, something you couldn't do if you couldn't also keep loaded weapons inside the home. Yes, there's a minor difference, since you can pack heat anywhere on your property, but that is a technical one, as the rules regarding deadly force outside the domicile are the same as on the street.   Yes, stepping outside your vehicle with a loaded gun and no permit could possibly get you a Class A, B, or C Misdemeanor conviction. It could also save your or another's life in justifiable self defense, with no charge at all.  But risking conviction every day for simply having a loaded firearm in your vehicle is absurd, law abiding folks won't do it, and hence have no chance of saving that life.   Being able to have loaded firearms inside your vehicle without a permit is indeed the biggest stride toward the intent of 2A in TN since carrying a firearm became a crime in the first place.   - OS

I see the financing both ways. On the one hand they get paid for setting up the financing but on the other, that means they'll feel like they have more leverage on upping the price because  some people need the financing to buy the vehicle and also, it's only signing a piece of paper, not like it's real dollars and they know that has a psychological effect.   It all depends on your negotiating skills and how good you are at haggling. Myself, I prefer to decide a price and offer it and walk away if I don't get within where I'm willing to go (which may be higher than my offer or not). You'd be surprised how often you get called back once people are looking at your coat-tails leave the building.   I'd imagine that a successful tactic might be to offer cash then when you reach a deal tell them you'll take the financing if they bring it down some more.

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Yes, they vote but thankfully are too old to reproduce.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNixl0qZShA

Ya got a keeper there, willis!

  First mistake ... :)

[quote name="willis68" post="1140286" timestamp="1397859470"]If there are 88 knives ordered you will be good to go, if not pick another number[/quote] Ok-my provisional # is 15 (or whatever is the lowest available number at this point). If we hit 88 then just swap me into 88 for the last guy in and he gets 15 - such a deal!

Put me down for no. 24 also thanks

I had four years of martial arts training. Earned a black belt and all that good stuff. Most of it I have forgotten, and I'm becoming an old man faster than I care to admit, so I'll take a weapon any day of the week to stop an attack on my person or on a member of my family.   With all the blood borne diseases, I have no desire to trade blood with anyone in fisticuffs. In fact, I have no intention of letting them get that close to me.

Should those that hunt be required to prove training?  Just in weapons, or should they be tested on knowledge of the game they propose to pursue, if you deem that necessary to require. Not too long ago I read where a high up LEO shot and killed his friend whilst turkey hunting, bet you he had a lot of "formal" training with firearms.   I do not remember any statutory requirement to be proficient in the use of arms to be guaranteed the right to posses them in any Constitution, Bill of Rights or Declaration of Rights I have read yet. Can a parent teach a child the proper use and safe handling of a firearm, or does it require the State to be effective?  I am around numerous shooters between the age of 10 and 12 that I would trust with a weapon around me far more than some adults I know, and they have had no "formal" training, but they have enought sense to pour pee out of a boot with directions on the heel, which is more than I can say about some adults I know that are paid to carry firearms for a living.  

[quote name="peejman" post="1140075" timestamp="1397823939"]Logan's the restaurant chain? What's that got to do with the law? And who buys moonshine at a bar? I get it in mason jars from a coworker... :ugh: I'm no expert, but to my knowledge there's a beer license and a liquor license. If you've got a liquor license, you can sell anything up to PGA. [url="http://www.tn.gov/abc/llicensing%20-%20liquor%20by%20the%20drink.shtml"]http://www.tn.gov/abc/llicensing%20-%20liquor%20by%20the%20drink.shtml[/url][/quote] You've never bellied up to a bar at a chain theme restaurant and ordered a drink that less than 0.0001% of the population drink? Well sir, you haven't lived until you've seen the rolled eyes of every bartender in town! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Micro tech was a nice knife back when they were $150-250. Current prices are just way out of my ball park.

  Maybe this time she will bite it!

This is the one that I am looking at http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Griffin_Armament_M4SD_II_Flash_Comp_XHP556Flashcom_p/ga-xhp556flashcomp.htm .

Nice job, Chris!

#16 for me, as per my request in the original thread. Thanks Steve!

I kind of like those guns in as much if you can do a fluff and buff on them you can get them to work.  A friend of mine gave me his black Lorcin to get running. (Lori and Cindy were the names of the daughters of the guy who owned Lorcin).  I disassembled that Lorcin and decided to clean it but didn't want to spend a lot of time on it. I sprayed some Gun Blaster on it and gasped in horror as the finished dripped off into my garbage can.  I got the gun cleaned and took all the finish off it and put that pot metal to the buffing wheel. That stuff will buff to a near mirror-like finish.  When I returned the functional gun to my friend I told him I had some good news and some bad news.  Good news is that it worked, bad news is that the color had changed and took it out of the case.  His eyes lit up like Xmas he was so happy with his now "shiny" pistol.     I do wish I hadn't gotten rid of the Jennings J22 I had at one time. That has to be the smallest "functional" semi auto .22LR I have ever seen.       

Athens is a small community, but situated halfway between Knoxville and Chattanooga. There are some very nice subdivisions around and you can go from living "downtown", to living secluded. I am not a member of chilhowee rod and gun club, but they do have a nice pistol range, rifle range, skeet range and lake for fishing. They even have archery. I do work in Crossville, and they do not seem to be as friendly as Athenians. But I could be biased. :D

Hot chicks with fake boobs in tight t-shirts.   In fact, forget the guns.         (Kidding. I hate attempts to manipulate me that way).

  No, it's gone the way of the Dodo, and Triceratops ...

best of luck with your fantasy

Blues is good stuff, but for some reason I only enjoy it live.

Lower prices? Ha...I know you can't do anything about that one. Seriously...I don't know how you could accomplish any of this, but here's the main thing I would like to see: more individuals selling used guns, fewer dealers selling new stuff. If I want to know what a dealer has I'll go to their store. Also, I'm one of those who prefer not to wade through tables of used books and wool socks when I go to a gun show. I know they help pay the bills, but why not have a gun show that's exactly what it says? Finally, lower admission prices or half price for NRA members or something. It's been over 5 years since I've bought anything at a gun show, but I still like to go. But throwing away $8-10 every time is keeping me away from a lot of them. With all that said, I applaud your motivation but I don't think you're going to be able to make any big changes. Gun shows are becoming a thing of the past because everyone puts the good stuff online. I don't know of any incentive you could offer people to sell at a show in one city vs. putting a gun online and being able to advertise to the entire country. Most of what I see these days are the old school guys who probably won't be doing it much longer and people peddling granddaddy's junk. Anymore if someone does have something desirable at a gun show, it's priced up to 5 times what it should be. Just really not worth it anymore for me.

Complaints/suggestions from my experiences. Don't charge for parking. $10 entrance fee is too steep. Too small of a venue makes it difficult to get around and look. It is a "gun show" for a reason. Several in the area only seem to be about 50% firearm related. I know a paying vendor is money to the sponsor, but really wish they would screen vendors and make sure it would be a worthwhile table.

  Watch the rush now that we know they come sharpened! :)

I told the guys on another forum about this, they charged $250.00 for theirs, and sold nearly 400 You all seriously don't know what a great deal I got for you on these

Open carry without a permit is legal in many states and it has been that way for years. The irrational fears some of you are mentioning are the exact same used by the anti-gunners.   Very few people in TN open carry today. Why do you expect this would suddenly change if they made it legal without a permit?   I suspect the impact here will be minimal.

Rap isn't music. :yuck:

I have a problem. :) As I mentioned before I regret ever letting my first Vepr get away so I figured I'd get another one while I could and came across a pretty decent deal. Refinished the wood since this one came with a really light brown finish. It was nice, but I prefer a darker/redder stain. I also did some trigger work and am going to replace the YHM brake with a '74. I'm using the Bushnell AR223 till Primary Arms can get their 1-6 back in stock. Other than that I'm thinking I may leave the wood on this one ... for a while. It's really comfortable and it's nice wood.

[url=http://s752.photobucket.com/user/King_Gunshot/media/IMG_12551_zps732faefc.jpg.html][/URL] time to meet the family. Ibanez S520Ex. Spike's Tactical Zombie lower Kimber Custom II Romy non-G kit build - tabuk flash hider - 40 rd mag - VTAC 2-point sling - russian laminate pistol grip AK-74 - Milled receiver - Underfolder - not yet finished (too lazy to retrieve from safe): Mosin Nagant 91/30, Remington 870, Mini-14 ex-ranch rifle this was taken as soon as i got my lower. better pic of collection hopefully tomorrow

Did someone say Draco?

Here's a few I've had. Many are in other members hands now ;) There have been more but, this is all I have pictures for. My first Saiga conversion, when they were cheap. :) Red Jacket did the front end work on this one ... before their show started ;) A couple more Saiga conversions. This is one with a Tantal side folder. Pain in the rear to get to work. Same gun different setup. Polish Tantal. Couldn't pass it up when Classic was blowing them out under $400! One of the early Vepr's when you could buy them for under $500 unconverted. Wish I had this one back. Threaded the barrel on this one. Actually the only Wasr, I ever owned. Great gun. Mak90 with Ironwood furniture that I finished myself. Beautiful milled Mak. Had to thread the end of this one too. Saiga .308 14.5" barrel with pinned '74 brake. Incredibly fun and accurate gun! At least I know the guy who ended up with this one. If the kids didn't eat so much I'd still have this one! :) Traded the Mak90 for this Saiga 12 and then traded this one for a PSL. I have a habit. Draco SBR. One of the most fun projects I did and a one of a kind with the handguard. Current M92. Waiting to be SBR'd. Also added a Manticore Arms NightBrake. Waiting on Manticore to release their HG!

My "low end" AK47, I love it and works flawlessly. I want a side mount with a Rakurs A-1 Maybe one day Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Saiga 308, scope rail I made. [URL=http://s896.photobucket.com/user/redintn/media/firearms/S30841512.jpg.html][/URL]

  You don't have to kill all of them. You just need to get the pile high enough that they can't climb over it. Pretty obvious you ain't ever fought zombies before. :)

Here's a few I've had over the years.... [url=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/AK003.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/RHleggear027.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/Family002-1.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/Norinco007-3.jpg.html][/URL] Does this count?? [URL=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/100_3997.jpg.html][/URL] What about this?? [url=http://s71.photobucket.com/user/zx2loon/media/100_4216.jpg.html][/URL]