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[quote name='K191145' timestamp='1353985759' post='851124'] I don't have much sympathy for a common theif but OFTEN, a completly innocent person will be accused and assualted by some over zealous private security guard or employee. [/quote] Most shoplifters are innocent. They all have their sad azz stories about how they didn’t steal anything and the store was setting them up. Right up to the point where the security officer plays back the video of them hiding stuff on them and walking out the door. “OFTEN”? …. Please. However… That isn’t what happened here. This was a convicted shoplifter. That information came from the Georgia Department of Corrections that leads me to believe he has done time. It wasn’t a store security guard that made the initial stop, it was the store manager. When the suspect ran the store manager grabbed him by the hood of his sweatshirt causing him to go down. He came back up and attacked the manager, hitting him in the face and chest. If someone attacked a Police Officer like that I think most people know they would get hurt and go to jail, I don’t know why anyone would expect a business owner to allow a thief to run off. Unfortunately this Security Officer is probably hosed. Wal-Mart has suspended the two employees and “removed” the Security Officer. They are turning their backs on their employees. But then, how could we expect anything less from Wal-Mart? What’s happening here isn’t right. But these store employees may not have the money to be able to defend themselves. Hopefully if this gets enough attention; someone will come forward to help them. [quote name='K191145' timestamp='1353985759' post='851124'] I still contend that a security guard that is not a government law enforcement officer or deputized in some way has no more authority to physically handle anyone else than any other "PRIVATE CIVILIAN" unless it's a matter of self defense or defense of another person, or defense of your personal property in which there are limits to that. If someone want to arrest or detain me, they had better have the name of a city, county, state, or U.S. in front of an official title. [/quote] Then you are in the wrong state. A citizen in this state can make an arrest just like a cop. Just because someone that doesn’t have a badge stops you when you are committing a crime, doesn’t give you the right to attack them. People that are wrongly accused don’t fight. They stop, they deal with the situation, they get a lawyer and they sue. Guilty people fight and try to get away.

What is it with people who can't drive at a steady speed or judge the speed of the person in front of them? I get so tired of goobers who make bad traffic worse by tailgating and then having to slam on the brakes, causing a chain reaction because the person following them is also too close, which disrupts the flow of traffic. And what is up with people who speed up when you are passing them??

anyone who gets sucked into road rage to this point is flat out an idiot and probably not mentally stable. Dick measuring contests such as these rarely have a winner.

My wife always says I drive like a grandpa. I know some of you on here are grandfathers, so please don't take offense. I will preface this by saying that I have not been one much for speeding, but I have found the best way to have hassle free interstate driving. I just set my cruise about 3-4 mph below the speed limit and park it in the right lane. I rarely have to pass, and I just let all the people in a hurry, blast around me on the left. It makes things a breeze when you don't have to worry about merging in and out with people at different speeds.

I use it all. Even the meats that aren't really all that edible. I put a whole crock pot full of ribs on a while back. My dog thought he'd died and went to heaven. Even if you won't eat it, it doesn't mean it can't be put to good use.

Could be poaching but someone could have just cut the back straps and head off then dumped the carcass. I see it all the time and makes me sick. I always take as much meat as I can from the harvest. Might sound weird but I feel like I owe it to the animal not to waste it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HoJveRDptDs

Obviously, the God-given right of men to keep and bear arms and to exercise self-defense doesn't also mean that the man has also had the intelligence and wisdom necessary to know when/how to employ such has been imparted to him. That said, I can't help but think of some members here who have, by their statements, given reason to think that they don't grasp the difference between shooting to stop the threat and shooting to kill or the understanding that they have the right to do one but not the other. ;

People from California aren't Yankees, they're just weird. There are rednecks and good ole boys in every state in the union. IMHO what makes a Yankee a Yankee is a loud mouth and an attitude that the frozen crap hole they're from is superior to Dixie. Not all people from up north have these issues, I know some damn fine people from Ohio and Michigan. They talk funny, but are otherwise great people. But none of that really applies to you since you are from California. The next time someone looks at you funny and asks where you're from, just say "California, thank God I was able to escape!" As long as you don't have an attitude of superiority most people from the South will accept you for who you are and those that wont.... who cares. If you love the South the South will love you in return.

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We used to do this on another forum I was on a few years ago. If your on from midnight to five am or so, stop in and post up. Random funny BS, interesting articles, whatever floats your boat. I'm up because I'm job searching the internet, planning out new knife designs, and I'm generally night owl. What are yall into tonight?

i keep weird hours 4 on 3 off 3 on 4 off,noon to 2 am and more,am always on late night, the family photo above is cool, i vote for best caption contest for the dude in the wedding dress LOL I guess ill try the chat room might be a good gun chat thing

As a local truck driver, I've had to deal with traffic all day, everyday for many years. I'm not going to say that I don't get irritated from time to time, but I've learned to deal with it much better. I find that if I take my time, my stress level stays way down. But if I find myself getting in a hurry, that's when I tend to become more agitated. With that being said, I'm always annoyed when I'm merging onto 24 east from 40 east in the morning, and the idiots fly up the left lane, only to slam on their brakes in front of you so they jump into the right lane for 440. I can never get used to that one.

Thanks Volzfan...I went there, met Joel and Mike and did a deal. Great folks to work with.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the castle doctrine only applies up to a point...there is a difference between finding someone in your hallway in the middle of the night when you live alone and there is simply no justification for anyone to be there. However, if you have a wife and you find someone in that same hallway in the middle of the day and the guy is wearing a plumbers tool belt; you had better be damn sure he isn't a plumber who you wife called to unstop a drain before you start blasting away. At first blush, I think this guy had the right to shoot the intruders (although I would probably have tried a bit more not to have to do so)...finishing the "job" with execution killings and waiting a day to call LEO...he deserves all the jail time he gets if not a needle.

I would like to remind some folks on here that the reason that the general public thinks gun owners are a bunch of vigilante a-holes is because some of us act like a bunch of vigilante a-holes, and are doing so in response to this story. I understand that the thief escalated the situation (supposedly) and that is very likely why he is dead, but reveling in his death over petty theft is pretty asinine in my opinion. I would wager that every single person on this board has at some time in their life broken a law. I would also wager that none (or at least very few ) of you deserve to be dead.

I was deathly afraid of "La Chupacabra" when I was little. My best friend's mother was Mexican and he always told me these stories about seeing it every summer when they would visit Mexico. I find it funny how folks believe that "monsters" like this just turn up one day. I may be totally wrong with this assumption but haven't we pretty much explored all of the dry land on the earth? Bigfoot, Yeti's, Chupacabra's all would have turned up by now.

[quote name='RevScottie' timestamp='1354041262' post='851432'] So what your saying is if someone steals something its no big deal if they get killed in the process? Funny the law doesnt see it that way.[/quote] Actually, it does. I have the right to confront someone stealing from me. If they respond with violence I can respond in kind. So, while can't shoot someone breaking into my car, I can stop them with force. If they up the ante I can increase the level of force to match theirs. That is what it appears happened here. If so, the perp is 100% responsible for the outcome. You're having a hard time discerning between the value of the items he stole with his actions after he stole them. If anyone has devalued his life to the cost of the items he attempted to steal, it was the perp himself. He chose to keep escalating the situation to the point he was restrained in a choke hold. It had nothing to do with the value of the items. His death was his own fault. The loss prevention employee has no legal liability here.

Been there done that. It's gratifying when after they tell you how much fun it is they start asking where to go buy one and what the best bang for the buck is. The only thing better IMO is getting a young person interested in the sport and started off safely.

Kill it with fire!!!!

[quote name='sL1k' timestamp='1354037306' post='851383'] Now cut your hair hippy! [/quote] ROFL!! No way, hair like this takes commitment. Don't be jealous.

[quote name='cardcutter' timestamp='1354036145' post='851373'] According to the article, he started shooting while he could only see them from the waist down. How did he know they were not friendlies? The he admits to killing the girl basicly because she laughed at him. This guy needs to be put out of commision. I stand by my precious statement. They should hang this idiot on the public square! [/quote]What I'd like to know is, why isn't her murder 1st degree? He put the gun under her chin and pulled the trigger when she was incapacitated. To me that makes it premeditated.

[quote name='RevScottie' timestamp='1354031539' post='851318']...So is using a choke hold considered using deadly force?[/quote] If the choke hold caused or contributed to the man's death then I'd say you would have to consider it "deadly force" but I'm not sure that even matters. When one person's actions causes or contributes to the death of another then I think generally, someone is going to be charged with some sort of crime unless they can make a rational claim of self-defense.

Thanks everyone. He's not my biggest 8 ever but he was a good one. Here's a pic of my friend Kevin's first deer. He was shooting a Weatherby Vanguard 7mm Rem Mag. [img]http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/bean962/Kevin.jpg[/img] A pic of were we where and the deer. As you can see it was a close shot. We were actually standing in the trail whispering our next game plan when he came down the ridge. I would say maybe around a 30 yard shot. He never had a clue we were even standing there. Oh and don't get jealous on my artistic skills lol. [IMG]http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/bean962/Kevindrawing.jpg[/IMG]

[quote name='maroonandwhite' timestamp='1354030846' post='851311'] Or a knife to the head.... That was funny as all get out but I would have absolutely lost my cool. Using a little girl was probably not the best idea. I didn't watch the whole thing but I hope they at least did it on all women. [/quote] I know a few women who's first instinct in fight vs flight is fight. stuff like this is all fun and games until the pranker ends up with a crushed windpipe. Then it's just fun.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354026710' post='851276'] They most certainly do not come from Florida. Floridians can't be held responsible for the legions of New Yorkers, Jersey trash and Michiganders that flock there for tax breaks and warm weather. Trust me, there are more rednecks and good ol' boys in Florida than the state of Georgia and Tennessee combined. [/quote] Everyone is a victim of their upbringing. I apologize if I offended any GOOD floridians. I've always been told that if you head south through Georgia, you will start heading north again.

Measure from the inside of one hole to the outside of the other. That'll keep you from having to subtract the bullet diameter.

[quote name='BryanP' timestamp='1354024127' post='851252'] Why am I hearing that as sung by Twisted Sister? "I wanna Glock, GLOCK! I. Want. A. GLOCK!" [/quote] THank you. I will be singing that ALL DAY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25pS3bx4S8A

How did that kid not laugh her arse off!? And how many of us would have just pulled out a flash light and seen the little girl coming out of the wall panel?

[quote name='RED333' timestamp='1354019608' post='851216'] [size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]YOU WANT A GLOCK, [/font][/size] [size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]YOU WANT A GLOCK, [/font][/size] [size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]YOU WANT A GLOCK, [/font][/size] [size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]YOU WANT A GLOCK, [/font][/size] [size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT 3 TIMES A DAY.[/size][/font][/font][/size] [/quote] That's four times! Now we know you're serious!

I was of the thinking that Yankees came from the north (or Florida) and Californians were more commonly know as pinko commies. I would wager that the transition from Cali-Commie bastage to good ole boy would be more akin to accepting Christ. First, you must confess that your previous ways were unacceptable and commit in your heart to stand against those filthy values in the face of all odds and opposition. Do that and we can get a bit of moonshine to baptize the sins of californication from you, thus cleansing you and welcoming you into the fold.

7p-7a schedule this week. And I'll leave this here... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8vRiw.jpg[/IMG] Sent from my SPH-L710 using Xparent Red Tapatalk 2

[quote name='mcurrier' timestamp='1353943134' post='850775']Putin should know. Many expatriates of communist and dictator run countries who are living in America have expressed their fear of what we are quickly becoming because they recognize that the same exact thing is happening here that happened in their countries. They witnessed it and lived it first hand. Are we to doubt what they say? They know more about it than we who have lived free all of our lives do.[/quote] A coworker stuck a local Dem party ballot on the wall as a joke in our rather right-leaning office just before the election. Our cleaning lady is an immigrant from one of those former USSR countries. When she saw that stuck on the wall, she angrily asked, "Who here votes Democrat???" When she was told it was put up as a joke, she settled down. I told my coworker, "She knows communism when she sees it."

I carry my 23 daily. Best gun ever.

I am assuming that it will be for HCP If so..It is a little thick and bottom line is that it will all depend on your size and finding the proper holster. If you can make it work...that gun carries an amazing amount of controllable power for its size.

I don't have much sympathy for a common theif but OFTEN, a completly innocent person will be accused and assualted by some over zealous private security guard or employee. That was the case of a friend of mines wife, a very nice lady who has a good job and no reason to shoplift. I guess she made the mistake of putting her gloves, ones she owned for some time and it was determined very quickly that the store didn't carry or sell that brand and style of gloves, in her coat pocket when some idiot employee/guard came up behind her and grabed her arm so tight it left a mark. needless to say she didn't even get an apology from the manager after being assualted and declared innocent. Although it would have been tempting to help him, I had to talk my friend out of waiting for that idiot outside the store after closing hours. The one thing I hate more than a guilty person getting away with a crime is an innocent person being accused and assualted by some store security guard or employee who is not a law enforcement officer and I really believe that happens quite a bit. They had better be damn sure and have undisputable evidense before they put their claws on a person. My mom is 84 and doesn't drive hardly so me and other family members take her to where she needs or wants to go, when I take her shopping I get on to her for sticking her hands in her pockets to warm them up in the store because I will not tolerate some store security/employee accusing her of stealing, and if they ever put their claws on her there WILL be an incident. When I started this thread I really wanted to address "PRIVATE SECURITY" and how far they can and should go, not weather some thief deserved to die for some CD's which I believe he deserves jail for that crime. I still contend that a security guard that is not a government law enforcement officer or deputized in some way has no more authority to physically handle anyone else than any other "PRIVATE CIVILIAN" unless it's a matter of self defense or defense of another person, or defense of your personal property in which there are limits to that. If someone want to arrest or detain me, they had better have the name of a city, county, state, or U.S. in front of an official title.

I also am not a .40 fan. Fine round and has a place but it is a compromise. It does some of what a 9mm does but not the best parts. Some of what the .45 does but not the best parts. All that and it comes at the cost of less rounds, more cost, more recoil, and less inherent accuracy of the 9mm. If I want small and fast - 9mm. If I want heavy and limited capacity - .45 That being said I think the G19 is about as perfect a sized gun there is. It's compact enough to carry easy, yet large enough to shoot like a full size and in a 9mm you are still getting 15 rnds. Just my .02

[quote name='Tuffus' timestamp='1353983021' post='851104'] Have fun with the new gun. I won an FNX 9 about 2 years ago at the Outpost and it's turned out to be one of my best shooters. Free guns are great!!! [/quote] Kinda like the way a free beer always tastes better?

Have fun with the new gun. I won an FNX 9 about 2 years ago at the Outpost and it's turned out to be one of my best shooters. Free guns are great!!!

Congrats man!

And I'm sorry if my comments come off as harsh, or upset. Please understand I'm in a very foul mood, and worried about my wife. While I would not get into a physical altercation with someone, I do feel the need to vent at times. And in a couple weeks, I may even drop the lawsuit idea. But right now, this is just kinda my way of dealing with the urge to skin someone alive, and I knew you guys would be understanding.

dam that sucks. yes let the PD handle and then do it legally. I agree with your stance, it is because of the way they left with out caring. Dad always taught me, if I make a mistake, stand up and own it. I remember hm telling me if I got in trouble at school I would get in trouble at home, but it would be worse is someone else told him instead of me.

[quote name='Worriedman' timestamp='1353080595' post='846554'] He said that the fence issue was moot in his opinion as the TCA Code allowed a Citizen to enjoy the same protection with regard to using deadly force for personal protection in their vehicle as in their home.. [/quote] And that is the angle that should be taken. Screw 'parking lot' bills - simply recognize the interior of a person's car as being like the interior of a person's home. Off limits to searches by anyone but police with a proper warrant. Declare any other 'right to search' employee agreements, etc. to be null and void. Recognize that it is none of anyone else's business - including employers - what people keep in the confines of their [b]own[/b], [b]private[/b] property. It really shouldn't make a bit of difference where that private property is located at the time - in a driveway, at Walmart or in an employer's parking lot.

We are a weak people when we have to stand by and watch thieves walk away. I don't care if its a store employee, Security Guard or Cop; no special training is needed to walk up to a person and ask them to step back into the store they are under arrest. If they decided to fight; so be it. People die fighting trained cops the same as Security Guards. When we have to stand by like sheep and let the criminals have their way there will be no safety anywhere.

I agree with Mike on this one. If you have served your sentence, then your debt has been paid and you should not be forced into a second class citizen role with diminished rights and opportunity. The manner in which we handle ex-cons promotes recidivism. What it boils down to for me is that a gun is nothing more than a tool. If I can't trust you with a gun then I can't trust you with a knife or a screwdriver or a hammer or even a car. All are potential weapons. If you can't be trusted with anything that can be used as a weapon, then how can I trust you to walk free in society?

[quote name='Nashville Slim' timestamp='1353854708' post='850403'] On the other hand; If this range were a private business, it would be out of business in a matter of weeks. The "Customer" experience was pretty awful. [/quote] A few more facts... All the RSO's are volunteers, and get no compensation for the hours they work All the RSO's are shooters. Stone's River is the busiest range in the state, and gets lots of newbies, doing lots of stupid stuff. It is the best facility I've been to in the state I'm on my third annual membership there. If it was a private business, they could pay a staff, and maybe even open the 50 yard range. I almost always go on Fridays, and have had quite a bit of time to talk to some of the RSO's. That place gets insane on Saturdays and Sundays because of the large volume of shooters. With all that insanity, they manage to keep the place pretty safe.

Yeah definitely go easy on it. That's a rifle many people, like myself, would be very happy to own. Break the bolt down and clean every nook and cranny. Clean the chamber and extractor relief really well too. I'd remove the action and remedy any active rust hidden by the stock as well. Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

[quote name='sL1k' timestamp='1352525944' post='842961']I've never shot a mosin but that makes me want one.[/quote] Much like Obamaphones, everyone should have a Mosin. If you don't have one, sell the crappiest gun in your safe and use that to get a Mosin.

Hated Glock for years. I was stupid for years. I own two 19's and if I happen on a decent deal, I'll buy a few more. There's no better handgun I've ever held or shot. Period.

Aint no doubt, like many I've have tried the rest. I really hoped the M&P's would have taken me off my Glock fetish but still to date, there's not a modern pistol out there I can shoot and use easier than the Glock brand. Caliber doesn't really matter though I'd rather have a 1911 than a Glock in .45. I have many Glocks I have many mags for my Glocks I have much ammo for my mags for my Glocks. I am happily addicted.