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  They?   Do any of you realize that TGO is not a business?  It's not some company-run entity.  There's literally one person behind it.  Me.    Yes, we have volunteer moderators who help keep the forums moving smoothly, but every single piece of technology that runs under this site... every debt that it incurs... every bill that gets paid to keep the lights on for you... it's all me and I do it on top of my normal 50hr a week job and it takes away anywhere from 20-30 more hours of time from my family each week so that I can provide this site to the firearms community.   There is no THEY and the decision to accept PayPal was made out of necessity and desperation to streamline the process because there's only so many hours in the damn week.  Frankly this thread irritates me and comments like yours piss me off because it opens up a whole 'nother mess of things I have to explain.   The bottom line is you guys better hope PayPal doesn't stop letting us collect contributions to keep TGO running because when they do it's going to cause a whole lot of grief for not only this forum but dozens of others like it that depend on those contributions to keep our web servers lit.   But hey, let's sit around and bitch about someone getting their account shut down for violating PayPal's terms of service and cast disapproving glances towards TGO for being in bed with the enemy.  Because THAT makes my life better.  When you talk about PayPal potentially fucking a gun forum like TGO, you're talking about them fucking ME.   So if one of you guys owns a credit card processing company that will let me set up as a sole proprietor and not claim nearly 20% of everything the members contribute in fees and leave me with enough to pay for the bandwidth, server resources, software licenses and all of the other crap that we've become accustomed to having any time we get bored and want to aim our cell-phones and computers at this little corner of the Internet, I'll drop PayPal tomorrow and start running all of our Benefactor memberships through that instead of PayPal.  But until then I personally hope to God they leave us the hell alone.

Got my first M1 from the CMP. I've wanted one of these since I was 8!

I think I'm going to block these White House Petitions links.  They're completely pointless.

  I took a 1/16" drill bit and punched a hole in my plastic Eco-Nazi gas can on top opposite the nozzle.  Problem solved.  Now when I fill my mower the rushing sound of gasoline leaving the can sounds like the applause of a million bald eagles instead of the slow glug of Shave the Whales hippies.

Every time I fill the mower. Every time. This is like the "environmental" low-flow toilets that you have to flush 5 times, which wastes twice as much water. I swear, environmentalists are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

  I work for a construction firm that trust and allows its employees to keep their legally owned weapons in their vehicles.  I am a Senior Project Manager, and as such I must travel to many different locations.  Having an early portion of that ill fated boondoggle that WAS Hemlock Semiconductor, I was forced to be unarmed for my traverse to and from Clarksville, as I was required to ferry materials and hardware for controls that were, by contract, not allowed to be offloaded to a common carrier, and not allowed to be unguarded from the time they entered my possession until I handed them over to the installer and received signatures for chain of possession documentation. Their protocol was that no private vehicles could enter the work site, being relegated to a communal parking lot outside the fenced enclosure.  My firm allows me to keep my weapon in my vehicle, that private company denied me that ability.   I am sure you will now insist that I could quit my job, tossing out 20 years of employment history and the retirement built up with my company, giving my severely ill wife the good news that I By God stood on principal and pulled up my big boy pants and showed Hemlock they could not push me around, the fact that her life expectancy had been cut to about six weeks being of no consequence.

we should keep a list of companies that pull these type of stunts and boycott them when this storm blows over. stories like this makes me want to go out and make a fire arms related credit card purchase

    I'm quite willing to compromise, 6.8.  Here's the deal - the politicians abide by the terms of the contract by which they govern, and I don't go looking for lamp posts and rope.  To me, sounds like the bargain of the century.

Sorry if this is a repost. This response was awesome from the Mayor!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKpLhNiC8zg&feature=youtu.be

I am quite ignorant of law enforcement protocol. That being said, It is hard for me to wrap my head around any entity having the right to take your personal belongings from your home without making an arrest.   Also, you have to love the unbiased reporting. They seemed utterly amazed and shocked to find there were about two dozen rifles in the house. A lot of us would call the owner a rookie.

You are correct, it was terrible timing. My point, and I did not make it clear at all, is about him saying it to the press. If the liberals get even a sniff of the possibility of a crack in the armor, or a hint of no united front in the NRA, they will go for the jugular and this fight will be lost.

  50 hrs a week worked.  20-30 hrs a week worked on top of that for TGO.  I simply do not have time to do mailed in payments.  It's 2013, so we're leveraging the power of e-commerce to make my life easier.   In a word, no.  Sorry.  Did it before and it was a huge pain in the ass.  Especially those weeks that we too a vacation or someone was sick or I worked 60hrs for my regular job and didn't make it to the post office only to have someone bitch me out here for not processing their bad check in a timely manner.   And, yeah... bad checks.  Those were always fun.   Hate to vent, but you asked.  :)

  I say we just stop resisting and give them all of our bullets.

He supposedly quit but he is still sucking on Nicorette gum. Hell, he chewed the stuff the whole way through the inaguration ceremonies. Funny how this came out after he put down the cigs. Hypocritical, lying, slime eating, sack of s#%*!

They're both two of the finest firearms ever made.

He can probably write letters to anyone he wants. If these banks agree, not only will they lose money from firearms manufacturers, they should also lose money from anyone who supports the Second Amendment. They want to push their agenda, we have to push back twice as hard.

  Honestly, it was pretty easy. I used the checklist on the order form (http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/pdfs/1orderform.pdf) and the Eligibility Requirements page to put everything together.  I ended up forgetting to put a copy of my HCP in there to fulfill the shooting requirement, but they contacted me via email and snailmail to let me know.  Emailed that to them and they processed the order about 3 business days later.   I did call once to get one of the CS ladies to walk me through the process.  She was very helpful, and I realized they weren't like the DMV (or DOS here in TN) where they're practically looking for an excuse to can your paperwork.

I drill a hole and put a tire valve on the back. You take the cap off to let air inwhen pouring the gas but can cap it to keep fumes from getting out.

NOYFB!

  They are going to use it to profile the kids whose parents own guns and then treat those kids differently.   Dolomite

Do you have alcohol in the house? What are your political affiliations? Any porn? What gas mileage do your vehicles get? What religion do you teach to your child? Any of those questions could be rationalized into a relevant question from the school under the same pretense they're peddling. Considering that 1/3 of these parents are gun owners, I'm figuring there are at least one or two that will make a very big deal out of this if it passes, which it probably won't.

That thing looks like an otherwise good gas can ruined by marrying it to a Go-Girl.

  It could definitely be that.  I think gun owners in general are so worried about the government overstepping its bounds and stepping on their freedoms that a lot of folks don't even consider for a moment that something truly illegal might have been happening in that house.  Lately folks are kind of jumping to some pretty bad conclusions.

Guys i feel your "GAS" pains and have contacted my congressmen with your concerns. They have assured me they will begin hearings on the matter asap and promised a 1950's gas can beside every mower in the near future.    Yeah Right!!!!!!

I'm really curious as to what decision it drives if the school district knows that you own guns. What are they supposed to do with that information to mitigate a crime? Really curious to know that. I had no idea they tolerated this type of nonsense in Missouri.

Home school, folks. We did it.

  Racist. ;)

[quote name="MacGyver" post="894954" timestamp="1359060993"]A girl I dated one time took me to a show indicating to me that we were going to see "that group that sings that song, Missionary Man. I think." I thought to myself, I like Annie Lennox. I like the Eurythmics okay. It'll be fun. You can imagine my surprise when I showed up and it was in fact a B-52's concert. I wasn't a huge fan, but again growing up around the Athens scene, I thought, "this will be okay." I've seen The Who.  I've seen Black Sabbath and Ozzy on separate occasions, Black Crowes, ZZ Top and dozens of assorted 80's hair bands. Those were all loud. B-52's had them beat by a magnitude of scale. Kate Pierson cranked up way past the pain threshold was absolutely the single most excruciating thing I've ever heard.    To this day, when I hear the opening bars of Love Shack it makes my head hurt.[/quote] I dunno, I may have you beat. My girlfriend (now wife of 11 years) asked me to go with her to a concert. "Its a suprise" she says. Yeah, it was fricking lillith fair. I wont describe my thoughts About the evening so i dont offend anyone, but lets just say I didnt call her for a few days afterward.

Hey, I have an idea - let's make crime illegal. That should do it!

WOW, I cant believe I miss this. I KNOW HOW TO BREAK IN A BARREL you must send it to me, with ammo, O, lets say 500 rounds of each weight you want to shoot. I will break it in slow, ya know, 50 rounds a day till the ammo is gone. I will then give it back to you, ready for you to shoot. :wave:

  Fortunately that is not possible. I am NOT OK with ANY law that tells me I have to buy something, even if I already own it, regardless of the tax or other financial implications. It is not within the government's authority to tell me what I must buy, yet they already do so and so I must comply under the threat of violence. 

You can't legislate responsibility.  If you could there would be fewer traffic fatalities, teenage pregnancies, and stray dogs.  But our elected officials sure do try, God love 'em.  They really try. 

I think we should ban shooting victims, then there would be no need for gun control.

  That's a fact.  For those who don't understand that, look at it this way.  States existed first, before Federal govt.  They enacted and enforced their own rules before any Federal govt. was around.  They only willingly formed and joined a Federal govt. for things like common defense and such.  States DID NOT surrender their sovereignty when they created the Federal govt., they retained sovereignty, but granted very limited powers to the Federal govt.

If the object is to make yourself more prepared to deal with likely situations you might face then you really need to train with the same kind of equipment and clothing you will likely be wearing when you have to use it for real.    If the object is to have a fun "dude ranch " type experience then bring and wear whatever you like...it is your fantasy dress however you like.    People ask me what to bring to pistol class. If it is a pistol class I tell them to bring what they really carry and wear what they really wear as THAT is what they will be using when they get jumped in a parking lot.    People ask me what to bring to rifle classes. I ask them to do a SERIOUS assessment of their likely use of the rifle and then dress accordingly.   Are they Mil guys? Bring your gear and wear it for the whole class.   Police? Wear your vest and duty rig if you like.   Civilian? Bring whatever you REALLY will use to carry mags. If that is one mag in the gun and a spare in your back pocket of your pants then good for you for training the way you are really going to be using it.    Train as you will fight. Otherwise it is just tactical entertainment. 

I'm going to credit our very own 'itchytriggerfinger' for posting this link in another thread. I thought it was worthy of its own. I watched all of the videos, and I couldn't believe just how easily a child could possibly open some of these safes. One was even opened with a straw. Your biometric safes aren't any safer. If you have one of these safes, or are even considering one, I suggest you watch these videos. http://www.thesidebar.org/insecurity/?p=793

Perhaps a closing comment: eBay/PayPal has actually loosened restrictions on firearm related items over time, with a big change about nine months ago.   Used to be you couldn't sell components that were necessary to make a gun actually fire, which included barrels, triggers, firing pins, magazines, receivers, bolts, you name it.   - OS

Well, this is the finished product. A little off-base from what I had first planned but am very happy with the finished results.

People still write checks? That's so 2002, for me anyway.

The guy that walked out did so not because of fear but because he tried to control someone and was told he couldn't. Just as the mayor said the same person tried previously to tell the same gentleman he couldn't wear a hat. And because the guy wasn't able to control people he threw a fit by walking out.   Dolomite

Oh and a buddie of mine who's an overachiever made a carrier out of pvc pipe with some sorta screw cap ends on it.

I must have missed the part where the school system was given police powers. It's about time we tell our politicians who "believe in the 2nd Amendment" - as if its existence is open for debate or something - to kiss our collective asses.

"Resident Logan Hennecke tells the station that he thinks it's "a very smart choice" for parents and schools to know which students have access to firearms...."   Its none of their damn business! That's labeling a child and is no different than if we segregated children that have a parent that is HIV positive or is schizophrenic.

You're missing the point of why you need a safe.  It's not about keeping you safe from your guns, it's about keeping your guns and other valuables safe from home robberies, fires, etc.

We have been extremely busy the past few weeks and have a lot of customers coming in asking us if our supply of gun safes is going to run out.  Well the anwser is yes and no, all of our manufacturers are running full speed and cannot fill orders fast enough, some are not gettng new orders out until summer.  Luckly we have existing orders that were placed before the rush started and we still have a large selection of safes.    We have not raised our prices from our normal levels and still have a few specials on in stock safes.  If you are looking for a quality safe drop by or give us a call and we would be happy to talk with you.     The Safe House Crew

Yes.  The leftys DO think that the BEST way to stop crime is POWERFUL GUNS in the hands of the STATE faced off against a DISARMED society.   This is just standard police state mentality, nothing new or exciting or interesting to see here.

  This x100000.  Keep the weapon loaded.  Lock it away during the day if you need, but keep it loaded.  And I mean one in the chamber loaded.  It's useless to you if you can't deploy it, single handed, in the nick of time.  Don't fool yourself and think you're necessarily going to have time to wake up from your slumber and chamber a round before someone's already in your immediate vicinity.

I've been guiding on that river since 98. If you have any questions or concerns just let me know. I'd be glad to help.

So lets say that you want to sell gun oil as a sideline to your motor oil product. Roughly a 55gal of motor oil can be had for 700.00, but you can get cheaper as quantity goes up. but let's just say 55 gal for 700. You throw a little of this and that which may add 100.00 to the "secret" oil formula. Then you have to package and market it. Let's say you sell it in 2oz bottles, then that over 55 gal now with some secret additives gives you 3500 bottles of oil. Then at $5.00 bucks per 2 oz you make a tidy profit by calling your relatively generic lube "GUN LUBE." I may be cynical but somehow I doubt anyone is sitting in some lab working for years concocting gun lube to be sold in small quantities. I suspect what works for one product probably works for similar products with a minor twist to make it look good to the gun buying public.