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  I agree. A 6'2" young MAN, even if he was only 17 jumped and wanted to fight a 5'7" Porky and teach him a lesson.  He got so involved and heated, he didn't want to stop the "lesson" he was gonna teach the "creepy assed Cracker" and went past the line.  GM cried for help for 45 seconds before stopping the threat against his life.  That is a VERY long time to take the kind of beating GM received.

what's goin to be the "clincher" closing argument? (ala: "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit")   George had no choice but to shoot him dead Because Trayvon Martin was bashing his head

Yeah okay. They spit on Jesus and that's fine. Tell a muzzle to kiss your ass and you're a hater. I guess I'm a hater. They're free to practice their religion without persecution and I'm free trash talk it on a conservative Internet gun forum.

Come on guys. Really?! Shoot the stupid snake and keep your family safe. Common sense dictates.

Have a cold beer and yell La'Chaim!!!!!

Found this pretty girl running down the middle of the road on Old Symrna here in Brentwood. She was obviously looking for people (anybody would do, I think) and was just about trying to climb into any car that would slow down enough. I have a weim, so I couldn't just leave her there. I stopped, opened the back door of the truck and said, "Hop in." She jumped in and rode around with me for about 15 minutes while we tracked down the owners. EDIT: Sorry, I wasn't clear the first time. I managd to find her "keeper" anyway. The owner was this guy's brother and was in Africa. I've seen the guy pulling in and out of his driveway before on my commute so I knew he lived a couple of houses away. I almost wished I could have taken her home to my boy. He would kill to have a playmate.

It is always easier to pull a trigger that to watch your brains leak out of your ears from pounding your head on the cement.

  :screwy:   Have you listened to any of the evidence or testimony?   At this point, anyone who doubts who was on top and who was on the ground is either not watching the trial, watching a different trial or someone who simply doesn't want to complicate their life with evidence instead of media-generated innuendo.

It's a fiasco because the race-baiters forced charges against a man who is not guilty of the charges.   If they actually had a case they could make against Zimmerman he would have been charged by the original DA; they wouldn't have needed a new police chief or a shopped for DA who would go forward even with no evidence; pretty typical for gutless politicians who have no problem ruining an innocent man's life all because they are afraid of standing up to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson.

I'm celebrating with a bacon sammich.

It is a shame that the lives of snakes are held in higher regard than one's family members ( some of whom are so young, they don't know the danger they may be in). I'm sorry, but if i see a venomous snake near me i shouldn't be fined or arrested for protecting myself or my family.   So i won't be reporting any killed snakes on this forum or anywhere else for that matter. Kill them at last resort though. But if the girlfriend or wife( whenever i get married) shouts for me to kill it, well i got to make her feel safe.... ranger or no ranger.....

Every venomous snake I've ever killed attacked me and I truly feared for my life. It WAS SELF DEFENSE..!!!

He was trying to his job as Chief of Police. While attempting to conduct and investigation, the mayor and city manager went against protocol and released the 911 call before the investigation was complete. They also went against protocol by allowing the Martin family (at the time, potential witnesses) to listen to the 911 calls at the same time. I commend the chief for sticking to his convictions. Rather than taking part in something that he knew was wrong, he was willing to risk his job and livelihood. Most people would turn their head and keep their mouth shut.

Yep, took about 4-1/2 years of my life to reach this magical minor milestone.   In that time, I woke up, got my HCP, C&R, NRA life, JPFO, GOA, & RWVA cards; and more guns and ammo than I care to mention. Oh, and shot my first Appleseed, and came up 27 points short of a patch.   I couldn't have done it without you, TGO. Well, maybe I could have, but probably wouldn't have.   Thanx to all,   Scott

  I think this  sums up the situation better than anyone else has explained it. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is exactly what happened.

hearing the "experts" saying a couple of days to deliberate, but really who knows.   Heard O'Mara say today he does not write up his closing arguments but rather knows what he wants to say and just goes with it.  I am hopeful to see how he does.   I do not understand why lesser charges is part of the game. I understand it is Florida law to do this but it seems sort of like playing poker and getting to change the bet after all the cards are laid out to see.  Seems kind of F'd up.  But it is what it is.   I really do not think the prosecution has proved anything that is contested.  If life was fair Zimmerman will go home a free man next week.

Dingdingdingdingding... We have a winner. TM returned and ambushed Zimmerman.

  I think if you are going to say that Zman "should" have stayed in his car, then you can absolutely say that TM "should" have ran home.  Fact is, Zman "could" have stayed in his car and this may have been averted <OR> TM "could" have ran home and this may have been averted.  Fact is, neither of them did what they "could" or "should" have.  They both have equal blame on that front.  In the end it doesn't matter what they could or should have done.  There was an altercation, Zman was fearful for his life (I do believe this although it could be argued and that is why there is the case) and ultimately he killed TM.  No matter who could have, should have, or would have done anything, I don't believe the prosecution has proven any other scenario than what Zman has consistently said, which was self-defense.

Crusades were a result of Islamic aggression on Christians, in the 11th Century Islamic Turkish Tartars siezed the Holy City & butchered 3000+ Christians living in Jerusalem at the time, & then set about systematically robbing, raping & beheading Christian pilgrims traveling to/from the Holy Land. Blaming the Christians for the Crusades is sort of like blaming the United States for Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor.

What seems to have been ignored throughout this fiasco.....If this community is so small...(the prosecutor said only 3 small streets?) why didn't TM just run on home if he thought he was being followed?  Seems to me he doubled back to confront and attack the "Cracker" that was "following" him? This would also support the claim that TM took all the time in the world to circle GZ's truck and wait for a chance to attack him? I also don't understand the talk about a "phantom bush" that the prosecution mentiond and that GZ talked about.  In the video I saw, there was shrubs and bushes along every residence big enough to hide behind on a dark and rainy night.

Wow that closing argument sounded like it was done by a third grader.

Don't tell them that. They will invade. :rofl:

One of each on my Xterra.

  Also ... I assume from your statement that YOU would choose to let the guy continue to bash your head into the ground ...

Ohh yeah? Come on down to TN and get you some!

I saw this very thing happen at Cheatham WMA one time. The old guy announced to everyone at the range he was going to set up his new chrono and all were welcome to use it. He un-boxed it set it up, then promptly blew it to hell with a .357 wheel gun. it looked like a helicopter exploded with all the pieces fluttering down. I thought I was going to piss all over myself I was laughing so hard.

  If the jury is as tired of La Rionda's long winded insubstantial rant as I am, they'll acquit Zim if O'Mara doesn't even present one.   - OS

My only regret is that i can't vote against him. However, I CAN vote against the RINO Lamar and am very much looking forward to that! :)

Ramadan.. putting the "slim" back into Muslim...

Here is a good song from Stephen Lynch about tattoos.  Warning - It has a few bad words.  It starts out slow but is worth a listen.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwFVhNqN9Jg

  This post makes me wish there were a 'really, really, super-especially like this post' button.

Child abuse? Are you fkn kidding me? 3rd degree murder based on child abuse is absolutely ridiculous. This whole trial is BS and this proposed charge takes the cake. Regardless, if you are ever in a self defense position make sure you stop and ask the assaulter their age....

1/3 Tennessee Whiskey 1/3 Lemon Juice 1/3 Real Honey   Warm this up and sip. 

Your tactics won't change, you'll just die faster.

.....and all his friends too.

It was coming right at me.

Looks like about 10 counties have begun preliminary discussions on how to break away from the rest of the libs that have invaded the state I was born in. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/07/09/effort-to-create-new-state-called-north-colorado-grows/ Hope this will open some eyes out west!

Well I can't speak for the rest of you but Catholics and Jews should know better then to persecute others for their religious beliefs. We had our share through the centuries.

What is so crazy is 71 shootings in one w/e and 2-3 arrests Hmmm. Do we need to do some training on catching these guys. Or Do we need to arm the good guys and it will get bloody for a minute but then all will calm down and this nonsense will stop. Awww i forgot, no one carries a gun in Chicago.

  Right. SCOTUS didn't create that mess. It was created by our idiot congress.

    She agreed, the prosecution is just fishing for other items to stick him with, so they are looking at 3 options, 3rd degree, 2nd degree, and manslaughter, so they are trying to get him regardless if they were able to provide enough evidence to prove it.

The Judge will allow for a lesser charge of manslaughter, even though the prosecution has not been able to prove either 2nd murder or manslaughter.. Now they are looking at Child Abuse to file for 3rd degree murder,  They are reaching, really bad now.. 

Hey Fitty, Aint you got some Bible Church to go to?   Good one, but where can I get me some of those Hi-Tec buildin blocks? Would the suppress 375 H&H bullits? :)

FYI, an actual M24 kit (with box and all the bells and whistles) is about $10k. It ain't just a Remmy 700 with a scope on it. Lotta expensive stuff goes into these kits and it adds up.

Clearly you haven't been to a Walmart recently. Trust me - the Zeds will be fat, in sweatpants, and probably riding on scooters

LOL, awesome. If you don't get this one, rewatch Die Hard

Most accurate $100 22 rifle you can get.

Ok, if someone else maybe older and more curteous would go out to a DUI checkpoint and film video, you guys being a bit too critical would not be as critical. Maybe it's the first time the "kid" did this, maybe he's still learining on how to interact with officers at a DUI checkpoint.   Funny though how the officers anywhere start acting differently when they see a camera and it is filming.

  I don't agree.  That is like saying that the Revolution was fought over simply taxes.  Sure, that was a driving force, but it was really about being subjected to tyranny.  Nobody likes to have a finger pointed into their chest and told, "because I'm going to MAKE you do this."    I was ready to revolt over Bloomberg's soda ban, and I don't even drink soda or live in New York.  I just don't like the idea of someone who is a thousand miles away and doesn't represent me trying to tell me what to do, even if my actions are wrong.  Let that be decided by my leadership.   There is no question that slavery was evil.  I don't think that automatically makes anyone associated with the Confederacy evil though.  Just like I don't think everyone who sported a swastika in WW2 was evil.  Over a dozen of my ancestors fought on the side of the Confederacy.  I don't believe they did because they cared about some rich ahole and his slaves.  Our family never owned slaves.  Many of my family members fly the Stars and Bars in their front yard.  I don't necessarily agree with it for different reasons than you, but I can tell you it isn't because they are racists and it isn't because they're ignorant.