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I have only 1 box of federal 22lr target match 325 rounds . So I will give this to some one that has kids but has no 22lr so thay can shoot , the first person that says thay want it . It's there's please do not ruin this for a child . You can pick up in spring hill tn. Or I can ship it to you. But you have to post a picture of your kids using the box of ammo, jest wanting to make sure none of the kids are not left out of any of the shooting fun when 22lr is so hard to get . Thanks shipped out to NoBanStan . Any one else that would like to put up some free 22lr ammo for a child to be able to shoot and have some fun when 22lr ammo is hard to find feel free to post it here if you like. 1madss has put up some 22lr ammo for some kids to go shoot 2nd page

Possible closing line: Trayvon Martin might not have been shot If he had just gone home to smoke some more pot

If you're inclined to do something stupid with a gun, then you shouldn't have a gun. If you're inclined to do something stupid while you're drinking, then you shouldn't drink. I'm not going to lock my guns away from myself when I open a beer. Never have, and never will. I don't "carry" at home. There's just always something within reach.   That's just me. Some folks turn into idiots when they drink. If you need to be restrained, do it.

I don't drink very often, but I view this question the same as I do any situation when consuming alcohol is concerned.  One or two beers does not lead to any significant level of impairment for the overwhelming majority of people in society.  Two beers in an hour is unlikely to get your BAC over a .02, which is negligible. If I intend to have a firearm readily available, I will not drink more than one or two beers.  Same as if I know I will be driving.  If I can't safely handle a firearm after a couple of adult beverages, or I am so out of control after drinking several adult beverages that I need to keep my guns hidden away, then I probably 1) don't need to own guns, and/or 2) don't need to drink. To be frank, the logic of some people in regards to this issue is strikingly similar to the logic used by the anti-gun crowd.  For those anti-gunners, some people do bad things with guns, so good people can't be trusted with guns because they might do something bad too.   For the anti-alcohol crowd the logic is: Some people are irresponsible and do stupid stuff while drinking, so we can't trust responsible people with alcohol because they might do something stupid too. 

There is a difference between drinking and getting wasted. I have at least a beer or glass of wine each night at dinner, then one or two more with the wife after the kids go to bed. I don't normally carry around the house anyway, but if I did I would not feel as if I'm doing something "ethically" wrong. Yeah, there are some folks that can't hold their booze or can't have a couple drinks without getting drunk, but those folks should know their limit. I know mine and I don't freak out if I have had a drink or two.

    Sure, but the issue is that Prosecution dropped the ball yesterday, today gets to hear what defense has outlined, and rectify his mistakes. Why is it an issue now? The trial should have never existed in the first place and prosecution has not provided enough evidence to prove they even have a case. 

What a difference, a professional lawyer (O'Mara) vs a hired lawyer(DLR) that the state went fishing for hoping he would get some airtime to make him famous. Calm, composed demeanor, not the screaming and yelling antics of the Prosecution.    And the parts that sucks is that Prosecution gets the last say..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9af_1373597616

OUCH!

That is NOT what I was expecting to read about. How would you like to be the officer who had to disassemble the firearm? Good thing they snatched this up before she could hurt somebody.:rofl:

Cool. Another gay thread. I'm starting to believe Letereat was on to something  :rofl:

Is this guy for real?

For Gods sake..do not show this to Gordon..

Didn't you "ignore" me on another thread? Apparently, crapatalk doesn't recognize my ignore list, so I still have to see your delirious babble when I'm on my phone.

I wasn't there so I will never know exactly what happened.  But, it appears at least one out of two people engaged someone that didn't need to be engaged.  The consequences: one lost his life and the other may lose his freedom (among many other things like money, security, friends, etc.).    I accept that no matter what the verdict is, my takeaway is to keep doing what I'm doing: Being very careful as I carry my firearm to avoid anything that can reasonably be avoided.   I'm no good to anyone dead or imprisoned because somebody's following me or because someone is acting like they're on drugs.

  He's serious. I'm pretty sure Z ain't the only one that had his head bounced off some concrete :)

  Classic!  This has kind of been what I was getting at all along.  I do NOT believe that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, manslaughter, etc.  I do believe that the actual act of shooting Martin was done in legal self defense.  I simply believe that Zimmerman exhibited poor judgement and made some pretty unintelligent decisions which ultimately contributed to putting him in that position.       I agree with 99.9% of what you said.  The only part with which I disagree is the statement that, "In the end it doesn't matter what they could or should have done."    The reason I disagree with that, particular statement is that it is the difference of whether others learn a lesson from this case or not.  Further, it is important because it points out the reason why Zimmerman should NOT be treated like the poster boy for responsible handgun carry.  As a person who carries a firearm for self defense, I both hope that Zimmerman is found not guilty (if only to avoid setting a possible precedent that could impact even those whose use of a firearm in SD wasn't preceeded by dumbass decisions) and want to dissuade any comparison of Zimmerman to the majority of legal handgun carriers as much as possible.   Likewise, I am not a Martin 'supporter'.  I believe this case ultimately involved two people who made dumbass decisions.  Maybe Zimmerman thought he was following Martin for the 'right' reasons but that doesn't make doing so any less of a bad decision.  Maybe Martin, as a 17 year old boy, thought that it was somehow his 'duty' to 'man up' and confront Zimmerman.  I and others have said that we might not take too kindly or feel too comfortable about having someone following us when we are just walking along, doing nothing illegal and minding our own business and I stand by that statement.  Going directly to violence and attacking Zimmerman with no apparent verbal interchange, however, was both wrong and stupid on Martin's part.  Mostly, I think this case involved a couple of would-be swingin' dicks who both made stupid decisions which put them in the other's path.  Being a dumbass earned Martin a dirt nap.  Being a dumbass has also probably ruined Zimmerman's life as it was those questionable decisions which likely opened the door for this farce of a trial to begin with.   I don't think Zimmerman is 'innocent' in this whole thing - he wasn't just out for a stroll when he got unexpectedly jumped and his bad decisions are partly to blame for him being in a position to have to use his firearm in self defense.   That said, I certainly believe that he is 'not guilty' in a criminal manner since, as Lester stated, "being a dumb-ass ain't against the law."

  So, your trigger discipline goes out the window when you drink? I don't shoot, clean guns, or anything else that requires a lot of focus when I'm drinking. That doesn't mean I'm going to disarm myself as soon as I open a beer. I'm real good at not accidentally pulling a trigger. 30+ years of practice, I guess :)

Hold my beer and watch this...

Using TMF's standards of evidence and testimony, I'm thinking we should also convict Zimmerman for Hoffa and JFK.

There is rarely 100% perfect knowledge of anything; that's why we use a system where we, hopefully, don't need to resort to guessing.  If we always had to have perfect knowledge we would either never be able to find anyone guilty of anything (or just assume guilt simply because someone has been charged). That's why I don't need to guess; not any more.  We have Zimmerman's recounting of events with no credible evidence or facts to show it's wrong combined with a ####load of evidence and facts and testimony (a good bit of which provided by the prosecution's own witnesses) that support Zimmerman's recounting of events.   At this point, there is no reason to not believe Zimmerman unless a person just doesn't want to believe him.

And Treyvon had no duty to run away. He could have followed Zimmerman too, or even waited in the shadows to approach him and ask him what his problem was, right? For all we know that is what happened and Zimmerman threw the first punch. I'm not arguing whether he should be convicted, as I do not believe there is enough evidence to convict him of any crime here, but for many who keep saying that it has been proven as fact how it all went down are full of BS. There is only one person in the world who knows for sure. One thing I know for sure, if HCP holders model their behavior after Zimmerman they have a much higher chance of finding themselves in a courtroom than the rest of us.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/22820604/thp-releases-full-video-of-controversial-rutherford-co-checkpoint   Dash cam video. It shows the whole thing, instead if the edited version. The deputy was cleared of any wrongdoing. 

  I think this  sums up the situation better than anyone else has explained it. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is exactly what happened.

M O O N. That spells moon.

I'm celebrating with a bacon sammich.

I was at a tat studio and this guy had all these Japanese writing ãƒ€ãƒ 尻白少年  across his back. He was looking for a cover up. Come to find out when he was in the navy 8 years prior he had the tat done in Japan. It was supposed to say something about peace and tranquility. Well he ran across someone that speaks Japanese and they told him it translates to "Dumb ass white boy".

There are a couple of iphone users on TGO that could shoot you in the face at 600 yards, using their iphones to do the math. iphones ain't just for hippies :).

Thought this was worth sharing here http://meemsy.com/v/10268

Well, a number of statements like this one, though:     Lead me to wonder how this obsessive dual viewpoint developed -- maybe years of bad splo floating around Clarksville or something? :)   - OS  

But no citizen should be subjected to unprofessional behavior, especially since the kid wasn't being disrespectful. As I said in my blog post, this kid was guilty of nothing except contempt of cop. I get the impression that you think everyone should just shut up, allow ourselves to be subjected to random police intrusion, and smile while our rights are violated. Civil disobedience has been an effective tool for centuries and I applaud this kid for stepping up and trying to do the right thing. You are blaming the kid because the cop was a jerk, when that's the real problem here. There is a deputy driving the roads of Rutherford County who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to treat people like crap when he feels like his authority is in question, and a sheriff who seems to find that behavior acceptable as well. Never mind the fact that they also think it's acceptable to randomly stop American citizens, demand their papers, and subject them to a search without any suspicion of wrongdoing. I was a cop. I investigated countless DUI cases. This sort of activity is not necessary and has little, if anything, to do with getting drunk drivers off the road. It's PR and a chance to snoop for other crimes, especially illegal drugs.

KKing Member Since 07 May 2013 Post Count 133 DaveS Member Since 26 Jun 2008 Post Count 4,344 There's some telling information above, not only has DaveS been here forever but he is also a subject matter expert in the hunting sub forum IIRC. He is definetly NOT a troll. He has an opinion that is just as valid as any of ours and feels just as strongly as we do. I think he is wrong personally but at the end of the day that's neither here nor there, its HIS opinion, he owns it and can do with it as he pleases. Don't think I'm tryin ta pick on ya KKing, I'm not. I've argued a bit with DaveS and it can be frustrating as he seems pretty well set in his ways and unwilling to listen to reason but I don't think he is a troll anymore than I think you are (and BTW I don't think you are either).

  What mug shot?         Choo and rumor.

I think he's Trayvon's real father. "If I had a son"..... I'd kick his tail if he acted like Dave

Every one of us will get a visit from the messenger at some point. That's the way this works. No one gets to stay here forever.

I'm not really thinking we'll see any rioting in TN; then again...there's always Memphis!  :)

I want to like it, I really do. I mean there's nothing wrong with it but to me it looks more like something out of a Sci Fi movie than reality. It does look clean though. I don't know. I'm torn really. You're freakin' me out, man! 

I have no ax to grind other than folks like you and others that take my opinion personally and make it personal. If you don't think there is something to learn from Zimmerman's behavior you are, once again, being disingenuous. Whether Martin was black, white, white-Hispanic or purple, Zimmerman would have found himself under EXTREME scrutiny if not in the defense seat. At a minimum he'd be getting sued into poverty. So yeah, I think my attempt at contributing to "lessons learned" so that responsible gun owners would not do the same thing as this dummy is warranted. But did I make the mistake of ending up in another thread where an opinion is not valid unless you're part of the group stoking one another to completion?

  If it weren't for guessing, there would be no trial.

What if he had pepper spray, some rope and was an experienced pro rodeo roper? Or what if he was working for publisher's clearing house and had a huge check to give away? Point is, you'll never have all the right tools all the time and we've had a year to second guess an incident that GZ had seconds to analyze. It's silly to play the wha-if game with any situation like this.

I almost need a bigger sticker for the back glass on mine.

I thought some of you folks would be interested in my response to this incident.  Here is an excerpt of my blog post:   I also discuss some of the pertinent case law surrounding checkpoints and the issue related to the drug dog.  I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts. https://thescruffypulpit.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/an-independence-day-checkpoint/

Dang, didn't know that's how much they were charging. I haven't really been looking, so I can't help you. I wore myself out running around a few months ago searching for ammo, only to come home empty handed. Now if I happen to be in a store I will check, but that's it, no more "hunting ammo" for me. Good luck though.

Welcome. I lived off Matlock Bend Rd. in Loudon for years and then Lenoir City for another 7. Loudon County is a great place to live, we're glad to have you here on TGO.

  I agree. A 6'2" young MAN, even if he was only 17 jumped and wanted to fight a 5'7" Porky and teach him a lesson.  He got so involved and heated, he didn't want to stop the "lesson" he was gonna teach the "creepy assed Cracker" and went past the line.  GM cried for help for 45 seconds before stopping the threat against his life.  That is a VERY long time to take the kind of beating GM received.

It is always easier to pull a trigger that to watch your brains leak out of your ears from pounding your head on the cement.

  Shouldn't bother anyone if they are that strong of a believer. We, as a country, do not like Muslims because of what some radical muslims did so we make fun of them. Jokes seem far better to do that than what they are doing to all the non-Muslims on a daily basis. They are doing far worse than making a few jokes and if we quit making fun of them today it would not change their own actions a single bit. They would still continue to hurt and kill people all over the world for not believing in Allah.   So, yes, we are making fun of them while at the same time they have and are killing people for no other reason other than they are not Muslim. Which is worse, a few words that get laughs or killing innocents?   I honestly hope our jokes brings lifelong sadness, torment and shame to those who are killing in the name of Allah.

  It will crash and burn faster if we fill the database with turds.

  Yeah, you're old all right.   Wait till the next big milestone hits. Then you'll cry about it. :rant:

I've got a couple for sale on the trader :)