Our legislators should not recognizes Illinois carry permits.

[DaveTN]

Tennessee (and apparently 21 other states) recognizes an Illinois carry permit. This is because Illinois recognizes none.

I have an HCP and so they want me to pay $300 to carry (residents pay $150). But I’m not sure I could even get one because our state requirements are not “substantially similar”.

I would respectfully request my state legislators to not recognize Illinois permits and do the same thing to them they will do to us if we carry in Illinois; put us in jail.



This has been a public service announcement.

http://politics.suntimes.com/article/springfield/22-states-honor-illinois-concealed-carry-permit/mon-08182014-818am

[Mike.357]

two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Just because Illinois is messed up does not mean TN has to be.

 

Just sayin

[DaveTN]

two wrongs don't make a right.

Sure they do. If they don’t have reciprocity with any other states the citizens there may push to change that; that would make a right.

[TrickyNicky]

I'm with Mike. Show them the stupidity of their ways by going a different direction, and in the meantime stay out of IL as much as possible.

[deadeye111]

Missouri residents do not qualify for a Illinois non-resident permit. The clause to carry inside vehicle with a valid permit is helpful to get me across the Southern tip of IL at the Ohio/Miss. River bridges I hear rumors that the legislator that introduced the original bill for CC is working to improve the system for non-residents. Time will tell.

I agree with Mike.357.

[TrickyNicky]

Sure they do. If they don’t have reciprocity with any other states the citizens there may push to change that; that would make a right.

I think your mostly right on here Dave, but a system or plan like that only drags us down to their level to win. I'd rather see us setting the higher example by welcoming any permit holder to carry. I'd actually rather see us regain the right to carry with no permit altogether, but baby steps are being taken.

Besides, better off finding something else to push their buttons with anyway, it's not like a lot of their pols realy support the right for their constituents to carry anyway from the general consensus.

[NextExit]

Tennessee (and apparently 21 other states) recognizes an Illinois carry permit. This is because Illinois recognizes none.

I have an HCP and so they want me to pay $300 to carry (residents pay $150). But I’m not sure I could even get one because our state requirements are not “substantially similar”.

I would respectfully request my state legislators to not recognize Illinois permits and do the same thing to them they will do to us if we carry in Illinois; put us in jail.



This has been a public service announcement.

http://politics.suntimes.com/article/springfield/22-states-honor-illinois-concealed-carry-permit/mon-08182014-818am

Actually, Illinois recognizes 4: Hawaii, Virginia, New Mexico, South Carolina.

Here's the chart that shows the criteria that needs to be met:

https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/Public/similarsummary.pdf

Not even other socialist states like CA, NY, NJ, CT, etc, measure up.  Go figure. :ugh:

[Oh Shoot]

I would respectfully request my state legislators to not recognize Illinois permits and do the same thing to them they will do to us if we carry in Illinois; put us in jail.
 

 

Prob with that is, TN recognizes all other states' permits by statute, it's not just a "policy" that could be changed by TNDOS or whoever from time to time.

 

- OS

[Ted S.]

...just make TN a Constitutional-carry state....show them all we're number one! :koolaid:

[tnhawk]

The best solution is to not cross the Illinois state line.

[DaveTN]

Actually, Illinois recognizes 4: Hawaii, Virginia, New Mexico, South Carolina.

No, those are the 4 states that are “substantially similar”. They can apply for an out of state permit and pay $300; Illinois does not recognize their permits.

[DaveTN]

Prob with that is, TN recognizes all other states' permits by statute, it's not just a "policy" that could be changed by TNDOS or whoever from time to time.
 
- OS

Correct, that’s why I said I “respectfully request our legislators”. Any state that will put us in jail for carrying doesn’t need to carry here.

[Oh Shoot]

Correct, that’s why I said I “respectfully request our legislators”. Any state that will put us in jail for carrying doesn’t need to carry here.

 

Well, IL is far from the only state in that regard. They'd need to change the statute to allow TNDOS or whoever to decide on ongoing basis, otherwise they'd have to reevaluate every session or something for possible statute amendment each year, much too complicated an endeavor for the collective IQ there IMNSHO. ;)

 

- OS

Edited September 6, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[btq96r]

I think it's important to remember that Illinois is just starting out in the world of concealed carry.  It will take time for them to come around to what we consider proper with states recognizing each others permitting authority.  Take the win for what it is, no state in our union is without a mechanism for their citizens to arm themselves.  Some may have absurd standards to qualify, but look at the history of where we were on this a generation or two ago.  The trend line is unmistakeable.

 

I agree with Mike, recognizing there permit instead of being spiteful is the proper play here, not to mention the right thing to do.

[Omega]

IMHO doing that just punishes those that are like us, 2A supporters. Those that make policy do not care that their citizens are not allowed to carry here or anywhere; The only reason they allow cc is because SCOTUS made them. I say make it as easy as possible for 2A supporters here and show the rest of the states how its done.

[mikegideon]

I think it's important to remember that Illinois is just starting out in the world of concealed carry.  It will take time for them to come around to what we consider proper with states recognizing each others permitting authority.  Take the win for what it is, no state in our union is without a mechanism for their citizens to arm themselves.  Some may have absurd standards to qualify, but look at the history of where we were on this a generation or two ago.  The trend line is unmistakeable.

 

I agree with Mike, recognizing there permit instead of being spiteful is the proper play here, not to mention the right thing to do.

 

Illinios is an ultra liberal, gun hating state that was forced to allow concealed carry by the courts. They are not going to just "come around". They will have to be dragged into it, kicking and screaming. No enlightenment to be found in that sorry state (should say sorry place, Chicago).

[DaveTN]

I think it's important to remember that Illinois is just starting out in the world of concealed carry.  It will take time for them to come around to what we consider proper with states recognizing each others permitting authority.  Take the win for what it is, no state in our union is without a mechanism for their citizens to arm themselves.  Some may have absurd standards to qualify, but look at the history of where we were on this a generation or two ago.  The trend line is unmistakeable.
 
I agree with Mike, recognizing there permit instead of being spiteful is the proper play here, not to mention the right thing to do.

 
 

IMHO doing that just punishes those that are like us, 2A supporters. Those that make policy do not care that their citizens are not allowed to carry here or anywhere; The only reason they allow cc is because SCOTUS made them. I say make it as easy as possible for 2A supporters here and show the rest of the states how its done.

You are both right of course. I worked to help get Illinois carry and I am just being bitter because I can’t carry. I love Illinois and the people in it, I do most of my rifle shooting there; they get a bad rap because of Chicago politicians holding the reins. Maybe they will get it straightened out...doubtful they will drop the payment requirement, but one can hope.

In the meantime I’ll still be pissed and every Illinois politician I talk to will hear about it.

[btq96r]

Illinios is an ultra liberal, gun hating state that was forced to allow concealed carry by the courts. They are not going to just "come around". They will have to be dragged into it, kicking and screaming. No enlightenment to be found in that sorry state (should say sorry place, Chicago).

 

Chicago isn't the whole state of Illinois, but too often gets represented as such.  The rest of the state isn't near as far right as Chicago is when you take a look at it.  Take away the Congressional districts in Chicago and you see the state isn't all blue.  One of their Senators is Republican.  

 

The number of applicants as soon as the permitting system opened up is a good indicator of how many people were waiting for this to happen.  I think you'll see some traction once they look at the crime rates after a few years of allowing people to carry.

[mikegideon]

 
 


In the meantime I’ll still be pissed and every Illinois politician I talk to will hear about it.

 

Unfortunately, those politicians are probably as frustrated as you. Chicago drives the whole state.

[mikegideon]

Chicago isn't the whole state of Illinois, but too often gets represented as such.  The rest of the state isn't near as far right as Chicago is when you take a look at it.  Take away the Congressional districts in Chicago and you see the state isn't all blue.  One of their Senators is Republican.  

 

The number of applicants as soon as the permitting system opened up is a good indicator of how many people were waiting for this to happen.  I think you'll see some traction once they look at the crime rates after a few years of allowing people to carry.

 

I agree. I'm pretty familiar. Lived there. Married a girl from there once. Still have a bunch of friends there. The bulk of the population is in the Chicago area, and they just have the bulk of the votes as well. So, when I call it a sorry state, I mean the government.

 

Edited September 6, 2014 by mikegideon

[gregintenn]

Why the hell would you want to do anything just because Illinois does it?

[mikegideon]

Why the hell would you want to do anything just because Illinois does it?

 

The winning post

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1187199" timestamp="1410100233"]Why the hell would you want to do anything just because Illinois does it?[/quote] /thread

[tartanphantom]

IMHO doing that just punishes those that are like us, 2A supporters. Those that make policy do not care that their citizens are not allowed to carry here or anywhere; The only reason they allow cc is because SCOTUS made them. I say make it as easy as possible for 2A supporters here and show the rest of the states how its done.

 

 

Agreed. Why punish lawfully licensed Illinois citizens for the actions of their lawless corrupt-ocracy?

Yes,it's true that the people put the IL legislators into power, but if one thinks that refusing to recognize IL permits in TN will change anything in IL's system, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale... cheap.

Edited September 8, 2014 by tartanphantom