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  I can't let this pass.  There is no such thing as too much competition.  The market place will determine the price. If someone doesn't like the environment or it isn't profitable, they'll leave for something else.  :2cents:

I could solve this easily. Go buy a cake somewhere else. Why would anyone want to do business with someone who doesn't want their business is beyond me. Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

Most of us can't afford enough ammo to need a chrome lined barrel...

Good ending to a bad story. Now... the little bastard that convinced her to stay the night at his house...

had to share.

Let me start off by thanking TGO David and everyone else who took the time to spread the word. The outpouring was truly amazing, and I will be forever grateful.    The nearly 24-hour period that passed without knowing her whereabouts was undoubtedly the most gut-wrenching and heartbreaking period of my life. I felt feelings and emotions that I didn't know I had. I can definitely live without ever experiencing those again.   Without going into too many personal details; while my daughter's emotional and behavioral issues aren't something new to me, this was the very first time she's not been home when she was supposed to be. When I got the first phone call shortly after she took off from school, I was concerned enough to immediately contact the police, but I wasn't overly concerned. It was still early enough in the day, so I figured she would find her way home before I got home from work, hoping I wouldn't have known she wasn't where she was supposed to be.    Greater concern started to set in when she wasn't home by the time I usually get home from work. This is when I began driving around town without any real idea where she could be. I don't allow her to associate with many of the "friends" she normally chooses, so I had only one idea of where she may have been hiding/hanging out. She wasn't there, so the concern began to intensify even more.    Thankfully, I was able to get in touch with a parent who knew a little about the boy (later finding out he was one of three boys) she left with after school. With that information, I was able to find his house, names of friends, hangout locations, etc. Unfortunately, this information didn't help too terribly much. Most of it lead me too a bunch of dead ends. But at least I had more information that I started with.   Still holding out hope that she would come strolling in, as the clock ticked 10:00, 11:00, midnight, I began to get very angry with everyone. I was scared. At this point, I didn't know what to do. While I am sure the police were doing everything they could, the helplessness I felt was becoming overwhelming. Again, knowing the type of people she was likely with didn't help my state of mind. Needless to say, I didn't get a wink of sleep. I was anxiously waiting all night for the school to open, hoping she would show up there, as if nothing ever happened. They informed me that all three boys showed up for school, but Ashton did not. This is about the point where those three boys were lucky that I was able to control myself from doing something very stupid. Instead, I contacted the police with this information. After an officer had a chance to speak with them, one of the boys told the officer that my daughter was with him until 9:00 p.m. the night before, until he made her leave before his mother was to get home from work. He claimed that she left on foot, and he had no idea where she was going. At the very moment this information was given to me, I went into full panic mode. This was THE moment - had I been born with telepathic powers - the lives of those boys should have been flashing before their eyes. Even though she left with them of her own free will, I couldn't help but be angry with them. The boys she was last seen with claimed to have no idea where she was, and I sure as hell didn't.  Every possible worst case scenario began flying through my head. Every news story I'd ever hear or read involving a missing teenage girl came flooding in, as if I had a photographic memory. Whether I should have or not, I began debating if I should begin spreading the word, or just continue to hold out hope that she would come walking in at any second. I didn't want to get everyone worked into a tizzy, only to have her show up 10-minutes later. After quickly weighing my options, I felt like I would be better off getting the word out as soon as possible.   As most of you know, she was found within hours of getting the word out. She is now home. I don't think she had planned on staying out all night, but once she caught wind that the police and I were out searching for her, she became scared. One of the boys convinced her to stay the night at his house, or possibly go to jail for running away. From what I understand, his mother works nights, so it would be easy for them to hide out. On a lighter note, I think most of you'd be surprised how few degrees of separation there are between many of us. I can't tell you how many phone calls, text messages and emails I received from friends and acquaintances who heard about this ordeal via TGO and it's members, TN Jeeps and it's members, friends and family of TGO and TN Jeeps members, and mutual (although not known to me at the time) Facebook friends of many of you. Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I believe Steelharp is the most famous of us all. I'm pretty certain I had more people tell me they read about it on or via a share from his personal Facebook page than any other. I am a friend of his on Facebook, so I knew he shared the story. But I had no idea the degree of separation was quite that slim.   Again, I can't thank all of you enough. I am truly blessed to know you guys, even if most of it is via the internet. I feel a tiny bit silly for getting everyone worked up, only to have her show up hours later, but I hope this helps you understand why I felt that I had little choice at the time.    Thank you!

I know it's freezing. I just watched my dog slide down the stairs on the deck. As if him actually sliding down the stairs wasn't funny enough, once he gained a footing at the bottom, he turned around and looked at the stairs, like WTF? 

I would agree that maybe the baker wasn't the sharpest tool for stating the reason for not serving them, but on the other hand it is pretty apparent that  the only reason the gay couple took this to court was to be vindictive....instead of being a big boy and taking his business elsewhere like any reasonable adult would do...the judge was out of his mind to even rule in favor of the gay couple, they should have been told to grow up and get a life...

  Don't you dare bring facts, logic and mature rational thinking into this highly emotional issue.  You're robbing Paul Walker apologists of their moment!

DNA test needed. That may be Larry Birds kid.

True...just seems like this court is putting the cart before the horse so to speak...if same sex marriage isn't legal in Colorado then how can a bakery break the "law" by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a "wedding" that can't even happen legally???  ;)     P.S. It also seems as if this baker went out of his way to make a point...just as this so-called "couple" could have gone to another bakery, this bakery could probably have found a way to not make the wedding cake without bringing the sex of the "couple" into the equation. :whistle:

Talented kid, that's for sure http://youtu.be/eX0Iy93nqKs

I saw the security video. They were hauling some serious speed. They snapped a light pole like a twig, subsequently took a second tree out before smashing into something large enough to cut a Porche in half and set it on fire. Don't be f'ng rediculous. They were going well over 100 mph to snap a light pole and still have enough energy to take out a second tree and hit a third object fast enough to do the damage they did. Forgive me if I don't classify this under "tragedy". Hopefully, in time, America can recover from this.

  You know what's pretty easy to control?  Any car doing the speed limit.

Darwin wins every time.

It depends on the gun.  If the gun has no real value as-is due to poor condition, commonplace model, etc, then you can actually increase its value with work.  If its a rare example of an antique, or worse, one of a kind, having work done ruins the value in a hurry.   And there is the in-between of that too... you have the destructive a-hats like mitchel mauser who ruin collectable guns and then try to sell them at 5 times the value to suckers ... so even if you ruin it, you can always find a sucker to sell it to who is like "oooo... shiny".

Don't want to pop your bubble, but use a new computer or a someone else's computer, and you will not see this. I once thought the same thing until I used my Apple IPAD. I normally read and post TGO stuff on my desktop PC, but my IPAD I normally read other websites. I googled something gun related once on my PC, and saw a lot of interesting posts, but TGO posts showed up about 6th or 7th on list. I think duplicated the same search on my IPAD, and nothing TGO related showed.

Glad she's back home TDR.   Though.... these boys... they are dead yes?

Glad she is home and glad it worked out. Now you need to explain how many people that you know that have guns and the willingness to hunt and search for a loved one of our members.

Bad idea! Buying land and building your house is a great idea. Including your brother in law in the deal; BAD IDEA!!!

Grilled Backstrap   Backstrap sliced Bacon 1 Stick of Butter 1 Bottle of Dale's Sauce   Melt butter, and add enough Dale's sauce to cover meat. Wrap meat with bacon, and secure with toothpicks. Marinade for about 4 hours in refrigerator. Grill to medium rare. (Do not overcook!)

The stages for the December match are up on our facebook page - facebook.com/orsa-uspsa. About 135 rounds, guaranteed to be lots of fun. 

couldn't agree more...you shouldn't kick a hornet's nest..

I don't disagree with anything you've written here. I only took issue with the phrasing that was overly broad in its indictments. The only reason I chose to point that out is that all too often we paint with these broad brushes and develop preconceptions that would prevent us from finding common ground. Not all gay folks are prancing around in thongs on main street demanding that every church gives them a wedding that would be just faaaabulous! That's all I'm saying.

  it was not about doing business with someone who doesn't want to serve them. its about pushing the gay agenda. gays intend to force their choices on the rest of us no matter what

I find it exceedingly "funny" that the tolerant people aren't as tolerant as they profess to be...when did a freaking cake become a court case? seriously?

Glad yours has worked great for you. Hope I made it clear that all of my insights were based on hearsay and not personal experience. I had just heard enough questionable things that I wasn't going to take a chance with it. Plus, I've been to Turkey a couple of times and seen the Huglu's in their natural environment and wasn't impressed.

  Thanks Mike!!! As the great Yogi Berra once said: "....it's deja voo all over again..."... I'm glad both these sons of satan are moldin in the ground...   forgetful leroy

I'm still carrying around a good portion of post-Iraq hyper vigilance. Bad guys best pick another house. I think I still might even have a body bag out in the garage.

I have two cats that are each over 25 lbs. , if you are in my house in the dark you had better be petting them and if you are they are missing from my bed , and if they are I will be right behind them. Not in your best interest , I sleep like a feather , if something moves I'm awake. Say hello to my .12 gauge or .45. Or the cats , they have claws like bears ! :)

I don't think someone needs a large amount of money to reload. There are a couple of lists now that I have posted where a person can get everything they need for under $200. Is it the best, top of the line equipment? No, but it will produce ammo better than you could buy and do it for a lot less.

Point taken, and I agree. I should have substituted the way or "Too" for "So". My bad.

Sucky.  Thanks for asking.         :)

I guess the witnesses seeing a 'single speeding car' were lying, then. It was the car's fault - they were doing the 45mph speed limit and the car spun out and was nearly cut in half while taking down a light pole. Stupid car.

There is some validity to you point. Unfortunately, this is pretty typical in the trucking industry. Too many truck drivers are poorly educated and barely living paycheck to paycheck. It's even more complicated where owner-operators are concerned. There are so many trucking companies competing for contracts to haul everything under the sun. Too much competition forces the companies to bid at such low prices, the profit margin can be - and often is - razor thin. In order for the company to be profitable, someone is going to get screwed at the hands of loopholes and fuzzy math. The easiest person to screw is the truck driver. If you dig into this company, you'll find that they have been doing this for a very long time, and the proper authorities have been notified on numerous occasions. This is also something that's very common. A fine here, a fine there. But the. gov refuses to shut them down. Many of these companies hire ex DOT employees who know better than anyone how to take advantage of the system. Again, in the end, it's the drivers being taken advantage of. I'm extremely thankful I drive for a great company. Sadly, they are in the minority.

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/chapter3.htm   actually that entire booklet is good, and there are some other great resources on the same site as well.  Its mostly about 1-handed competition shooting BUT the basics are the same for all shooting.   You can use the same ideas with 2h shooting stances, you just have to learn to not apply any pressure with the second hand; the second hand and the stance have to contribute to stability, not detract from it, in other words.  

Old growth oak -- you *may* be able to find a guy with a portable saw mill or who will clean the mess in exchange for the wood.     It should be a standing law that one cannot cut a live, healthy tree older than oneself.   People that cut down a 200+ year old oak because it was in the way ....   sigh.   Value as in property value / happy woods feeling/ etc is about $100k per year of growth of the tree.    Value in terms of lumber is fairly low due to the logistics of recovery.... its almost worthless to a pro due to only getting 2 trees for a ton of work.  Its of some value to a hobby guy -- free lumber for a weeks work.  

You may be right bur I'm not sure it's so much a matter of people being conformists but perhaps it has more to do with one having to ask him/her self if today is a good day to die.   If they come for my guns this afternoon I have see three basic choices...   1. I can comply, lose my weapons but likely stay alive out of jail   2. I can refuse to comply but do nothing physical to resist, lose my weapons and likely go to jail, or   3. I can refuse to comply with force and likely die at which points losing my weapons becomes a moot point.   I don't see a single one of those choices as much of a "win" unless, perhaps, my death would elevate me to the status of a martyr and become a rallying point for more formal and forceful resistance. I suspect that the more likely outcome, however, would be that I'd just be buried and forgotten.   When they are standing on the door step how does one decide?   I'm not opposed to resistance, I'm not even opposed to "rebellion" but I think I do need at least believe that my resistance would have some meaning before I'm willing to die for it.

Have him practice one handed. Flinching or anticipating recoil with the support hand pulls the gun low left. AMHIK....

Apparently there are enough of them that it is somewhat of a meme in the Doctrine Man cartoons.   I think it is just another piece of evidence that this quisling bastard is a tool that nobody in their right mind should pay attention to. The only thing I want to ask him is "How many citizens are you willing to see murdered by the government to achieve your goals? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? How many?"

Really? Well; they may have limits somewhere but they certainly haven't found them yet...this is, after all, the same NYC that just elected a self-identified socialist-communist as their mayor!  As with any location, I'm sure there are true conservatives in NYC but they are clearly outnumbered and ultimately powerless to do anything constructive.   Frankly, I don't give a s*** about NYC or the entire state for that matter...these people have the government they voted for and if the people are willing to get down on their hands and knees and take it without lubrication then that's their choice.

That fellow has an intersting way of thinking, ie: "we can reduce gun violence by sparking an insurrection". Wow, just wow.

So the government is going to be overthrown because of Obama care? Give me a break. If the government is overthrown so is the Constitution; it becomes a worthless piece of paper. That won’t happen. Now I won’t rule out an economic collapse of the government. But then everyone loses. I hate Obama and his ideas as much as anyone; but not enough to turn my back on my country.

I was proud of 'em. You're never too young to refuse to die.

It's safe to say that no station wagons were involved in a fiery crash on that stretch of road. They were driving fast (and furious) and died in the process. Y'all are more than welcome to say I had it coming if I die in a car wreck on I-24 going 120 mph. Luckily no innocents were killed.

*sigh* blood is going to get spilled before to long, even in NYC the people's tolerence of tyrants has it's limits ...

I have found that Hornady XTP Flat point 158 grainers ahead of a healthy charge of 2400 (13.5-14.5 grains) is about the best hunting bullet for .357 that has ever been made for deer.

^^This. When I travel to MO, I only drive for 20 seconds through IL and I stop on KY side, unload, separate ammo from gun/mags, drive through IL and stop on the MO side and reload. Don't test them. My two cents

I'm with Oh Shoot... why deprive the government of the money it needs to continue subsidizing all of the deadbeats?  The government has always been a faithful and responsible steward of our tax dollars.     :rofl:

I would be concerned about what else he's dinked with on the rifle. Some of it you may not be able to see.