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Man, I miss a few hours and all hell has broken loose. I love it. I just want to thank the staff for the work you put in here. It is still the best run forum on the internet.

I appreciate y'all who have offered to pitch in. I'm really not going to take anyone up on that. I think it's just effective for an unwanted person to see just how many people are willing to pay to make them go away. If he ever had delusions that people enjoyed being subjected to his verbal vomiting... now he knows the truth.

I'll go ahead and put up a Ben Franklin in escrow if we can call it the Hammer account. Well worth it for our mental health.

Also, the lesson that @The Big Guyand @Big Gai Anti-Gun Communistfailed to learn was that even if someone nominally agrees with you, being a bloviating asshole ruins any chance of them being on your side. I value the health of this community over any individual person or opinion.

You can tongue-punch my fart hole, too. The work I've done this afternoon to restructure the forums and set new restrictions is because of you and a few others who have used TGO as a dumping ground for your biases, ignorance and opinionated yet misinformed bloviations. I refunded your membership because it's worth it to get rid of you. I hope Santa brings you a whole big bag of dicks.

I don't have any advice but I hate the fact you haven't been made a citizen yet. You are exactly the type of person we would all like to welcome. I really hope that it happens for you some day.

I’m just hoping your new scheme will help compartmentalize the handful who decided 2020 was the year to create chaos on TGO.

*** I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. This is not legal advice. Seek reputable legal counsel. *** I think it is important to ask yourself why the ATF would be willing to offer you the ability to register your pistol under the NFA as a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR), at no cost to you, when they normally charge registrants $200 per item. On the surface one can assume that they are doing this to throw gun owners a bone since pistol braces have been legal to own and use forever, up until whatever they have in mind for changes to current firearms law. One can assume good intentions and assume that the ATF feels slightly guilty about the fact that they have enabled... nay, encouraged consumers to buy pistol braces either to address their own physical limitations or for other reasons. I tend not to assume the good intentions of bureaucrats, bureaucracies or governments simply because they have never proven themselves to be trustworthy, benevolent, or good stewards of the money and power imbued to them. I mean... there is literally history behind this skepticism. A lot of history, documented in countless books and tomes, showing how the government can, will, and has destroyed, maimed, deprived, withheld from, and killed the citizens who put said-government in power. So let's assume that something else is motivating this apparent act of generosity. What are some possible negatives to registering your pistol as a Short Barrel Rifle under the NFA? 1. Your rifle becomes registered. You may say, "Well they already know that I've bought this gun, or other guns, anyway - so I am already on their list." But, are you? The ATF is not supposed to have copies of the Form 4473 that you filled out at the gun shop unless that gun shop has gone out of business and, per law, surrendered their 4473s to the ATF to be stored in a warehouse. But how much of that do you really trust? Consider as well that the government has proven repeatedly that it can back-track a firearm to the original individual who purchased it, but working forward from the manufacturer who recorded the serial number, to the distributor who wholesaled it, to the shop they sold it to, to the person who bought it from the shop. So, yes, a paper trail exists and it isn't hard for the government to use it. Also, bear in mind that this only covers the first purchaser of a firearm. Which brings me to my second point. 2. It now becomes illegal to transfer your rifle to anyone else in a private sale unless they buy a Tax Stamp ($200) and pass a background check, get fingerprinted or file as a trust, corporation or other legal entity, wait a year or so, and then transfer the firearm to themselves legally. The secondary market appeals to people who value their privacy and their inherent, creator-given right to life and and a means to defend it. Secondary sales aren't the domain of criminals. Goodbye, legal private party sales of your private property without going through an FFL and all of the other rigmarole. It also becomes illegal for anyone other than yourself to be in possession of the firearm without you present, unless the firearm is owned by a Trust (or corporation or other legal entity) of which they are a trustee or officer. For NFA items registered solely to an individual, this gets tricky if you... say... are married and leave the NFA item behind while you travel for work, or commute to work, or go get groceries, or end up in the hospital, etc. and your spouse, children or other family have what the ATF would consider to be reasonably easy access to that item in your absence. If they know the combination of the gun safe, or have access to the combination or key, or wherever you've stashed it... they could be guilty of a crime also and be sentenced to prison for it. Along with you. 3, It now becomes subject to more stringent local laws. Some states don't allow you to possess an NFA item within their confines. You can't travel to or through some states, easily, with an NFA item. This alone is one reason why braces on AR pistols have become popular. People like being able to travel without having to show ze papers. 4. It becomes difficult to enable inheritance of your pistol if they are registered as an NFA item. Trusts make this slightly easier, but many have term limits, or limits on the number of times trustees can be added, or who can add trustees, etc. Without being on a trust, your spouse, partner, children, other family have to apply for new tax stamps and pass background checks for anything that you leave to them and buy the $200 tax stamp. Some states and some trusts are designed to only allow them to endure for a certain number of years. At the end of their term, whoever the trustees are have to... you guessed it... pass background checks, buy tax stamps, etc. regardless of whether the NFA items go to them or if they are going back into a NEW trust. It's the most ridiculous form of taxation imaginable. 5, Registration facilitates confiscation. End of story. If they can track it to you, they can make you forfeit it or tell them who you sold/transferred it to and then go make them forfeit it. Forfeiture includes destruction, for the sake of brevity. Regardless, they don't call them paper trails for nothing. I am sure I am forgetting some other negatives. I'll add them as I think of them or as others point them out.

Registration facilitates confiscation. Remember that.

Inspired by David’s thread I’ve been a regular member and reader since the beginning of 08. I’ve benefited from the tribal knowledge, cheap guns and knives from Grand Turismo. It’s time I give back (after payday tomorrow) and become a lifetime benefactor!!!

I've had a long week at work, I'm two fingers into a three finger pour of bourbon, and have zero ####s left to give about precious little princesses who want to cop an attitude with me or the moderators about the work we do to keep this place from turning into a complete dumpster fire. Wrong week to #### with me.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-guns-of-welwyn-five-incredible-weapons-of-the-british-special-operations-executive/ For anyone that hasn't seen this on TTAG, this is fascinating stuff and a fun read.

All of these posts are based on a false premise, i.e. that Trump gives a rip about guns, gun owners, the Second Amendment or gun rights in general. Unless he can figure out some way to tie it to another fundraiser, none of this will be a blip on his radar ...

Well...this certainly has been a fun-filled and informative thread tonight. lol I've been occupied with some things the past few days and haven't done more than just check in for PM and see if anything interesting was posted by GT. All joking aside, I have been wondering just how far some of the highjinks of late would go on/be allowed before Armageddon arrived. Some commentary of late has been pretty intense, just short of fisticuffs I think. Now I'm not saying I'm innocent in some of these discussions, but I try to keep within the bounds of decency and civility, which usually are pretty loose around here. I enjoy a healthy discourse, even an unhealthy one for a time; but I have to admit that this thread was beginning to be an IED just waiting to be sprung. And I had to miss it. Kudos to all the Admin guys and especially to David, for keeping the sanity around here.

Maybe we move it after the forum software finishes flagging folks to be able to participate. It's a slow grind right now, but I am also purging accounts of people who haven't visited in a few years.

God bless panic buying..... I've already sold it as 'parts' Thankfully, i haven't lost anything, other pride of ownership. Small price to pay for the security, but the shame of feeling forced to kowtow to a law & regime I disagree with in its entirety for the sake of that security, stings very hard.

Given the year we've almost made it through i for one think y'all have done well. I was just thinking about the future of this site earlier today. With the latest news coming out about the gun laws I don't see a decline in trolls anytime soon

Anything for sale in a capitalistic society is only worth what some one is willing to pay.

If I am out of line starting this thread, or if it offends anyone, that is not my intention and I apologize. If it it taken down, I understand. However, with the number of texts and calls I have received since it went public that my wife is positive and we are quarantined offering support and prayers, I thought a spot for members to post requests for prayers for friends and loved ones was in order. No names are required (I don’t want anyone breaking HIPAA laws) just prayer requests. I believe in the power of prayer.

Little brother talked me into coming down to Knoxville Tennessee for the winters 5 years ago. Retired this spring. Weather is better in the winter time here, lol. I have lived and hunted in Wisconsin, Alaska and Wyoming.

I wanted to take a minute to wish everyone here a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!!!!

Oh, so that explains missing posts here and there. I was wondering what was going on. Do your thing David. I think we'll all be better off for it.

That’s how it went in Australia I think and that’s the model the democrats have voiced many times as the one they want here. That will get them all registered, then they’ll want them all like Feinstein said several years ago. Something along the line of this: “If I could, I’d take them all. Mr. and Mrs America turn them in. Turn them all in....”

This place is actually rare. Most every other gun forum I visit doesn't allow any political discussion at all outside of 2A concerns. I do enjoy some of the politics and have learned much. Although I do admit that certain members here have tried my patience considerably. Some days I just can't bring myself to look at it. I hope I get to stay in, but that's up to you. BTW: David, I do believe that ban list could use a couple more additions.

As a member of several other forums the narrative for trolls and antagonist never changes. Division amongst the members and to "buddy up" with members that agree then pile on. A west side story of sorts lol. Pretty soon I just get bored and hit the ignore button until a mod nut punches them back into their keyboard warrior closet.

You know I am good for some if you need to start a gtfo fund. Lol

I know a couple I’d be happy to kick in $35 a piece to be rid of.

I would almost guarantee your Edward Jones advisor spends less than a few hours each year reviewing your account. They select the initial picks and let the market do what it does. They are not going to make any adjustments without consulting with you. So aside from the once or twice a year you meet with him/her they probably don't even look at your account. That's one of the reasons why I'm leaving them.

I don’t think anyone here could, would or should make a recommendation on what to do with a braced firearm. I would ask some questions when choosing to pick a course of action. Did you purchase the firearm with the brace? Did you purchase the brace over the net, or In person? Did you purchase the brace from a store or from a private party? Did you pay with cash or a credit/debit/check? Did you post pictures of your braced firearm online? Can ownership of the brace be easily tracked to you? As far as registering it as an SBR, yeah, once it is in the registry you can put an actual stock on it and a VFG if you like. All that is wide open.

Dave, 80% of Financial guys are taught to sell. You need to find that 20% who actually teach. If you meet with a guy and you walk out not knowing more than when you came in, that’s a sure sign to not use them. A good finance guy will teach you investing and different options to consider and then you’ll have the knowledge to tell him what you want done with YOUR money. Your ROI will be the main indicator of how well your investments are doing and make sure you factor in your risk tolerance. The less risky you are the lower your ROI will be. The more aggressive, the more volatile your account will be but will offer the potential of high returns. Lastly, as a good benchmark, I’d compare your returns with the S&P 500 to give you an idea of where you stand relative to the returns of the 500 best companies in America. The total average return on the stock market from beginning to today is around 12%. S&P 500 index funds typically around 8-10%. My personal return right now is at 120% since March.

My NASDAQ index fund is up 43% so far this year. I'll take that.

I havent been to Harpers in such a long time I had forgot about it. Also an excuse to stop by Cheek Brothers. Thanks Greg.

Before long it will be "You dont need 10 bullets to kill a deer" as from the commie NY state governor. Then you wont need 6, no wait 3 bullets. Then only single shot firearms. Reload powder will be allowed but only a 1/4 pound on hand at a time, 10 primers, no lead at all. But at least Trump is out of office, RIGHT???

I'm not surprised. After arbitrarily re-classifying bump stocks as prohibited items, you had to know the braces would be next. Since the ATF and DOJ got little pushback and were even encouraged by the Trump administration to rewrite the laws to prohibit bump stocks, it was inevitable that they would eventually move against the "pistols that look too much like rifles" category ...

I think you misunderstand me. This topic shouldn’t be controversial, but it is hot button. The new section is set up to limit input from those who maybe haven’t garnered standing through participation here. @TGO Davidalready banned someone who just joined only to immediately post in this thread using a proxy IP. Pretty sure it was one of our recently departed “friends”. My thought behind moving it was in the hope of possibly improving the signal to noise ratio, not hiding it away.

I was just about to say, a pandemic really shouldn't be controversial. Sad times we live in.

Welcome to Tennessee! I grew up in small town Wi as well.

Yup. I wear that one like a badge of honor.

There is a computer program picking your investments. You can do the same thing with a target retirement date fund. It reduces your risk automatically as you age. It just doesn’t collect all the fees your Edward Jones guy does.

For those of you using, or who are, financial advisors; how do you determine an individual persons performance? Is that something they advertise or can be checked? When I expressed concerns to my new Edward Jones advisor about mine changing 3 or 4 times in five years, I asked if he made the choices or Edward Jones corporate did it? He said they did it and my results would not change because of a new advisor unless I told him to make changes. Other than the market changes of course.

Outpost had boxes of 50 9mm for $25 Saturday.

This might be the most useful thing you could do with them!

All those we play paintball and airsoft with..........

Feeling better this evening

The new company I started working for in March offers a Roth 401K and they match up to 7%. I'm pretty happy about it. I'm putting in 10%.

The Trump Administration opened another 2.3 million acres of public land for hunting and fishing on Tuesday. Fox News reported that the newly available acreage is being “touted as the largest historic expansion of its kind.” It represents the “single largest” expansion of hunting and fishing opportunities to occur throughout the history of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The new access opens up hunting and fishing opportunities at “138 national wildlife refuges and 9 national fish hatcheries.” The Hill reported Bernhardt released a statement in which he said, “We continue to take significant actions to further conservation initiatives and support sportsmen and women who are America’s true conservationists.” The new hunting and fishing opportunities are “scattered across nearly every state and include parts of the Everglades in Florida, the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge in Texas and the Flint Hills National Wildlife Refuge in Kansas.” https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/08/19/trump-admin-makes-additional-2-3-mil-acres-available-hunting-fishing/

You've got it! I'll do it right now.