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I got a call from Corker's Chief Council this afternoon.  I reckon they are getting the drift that they may have stepped in it this time.  He tried the same old, "We feel the Senate is where issues should be debated" scam on me.  I told him first, in my mind the debate on the 2nd was done in the early 1700's between us and England, and, between the Citizens of the US during the years it took to ratify the Constitution, which required the Bill of Rights to get that done.   Secondly, I told him the whole thing reminded me of having a cottonmouth tied up in a tote sack, and taking that bag into my grandkid's Sunday School class and cutting the tie and dumping it on the floor.  I assure him that the class teacher and the kids could debate what to do, but that I was pretty sure that they were not better off by having that discussion, when it could have been avoided in the first fricken place.

I hope everyone who voted for these two buffoons now see the error of their ways.

Guys, there are a lot of esoteric notions floating around in this thread.  Let me squash some of this before it gets out of hand:   As stated previously there won't be a PayPal option for this.  It's against their TOS and we're not going to creatively try to skirt that and ruin a good relationship with them. We aren't going to do a logo contest to see what people like the best.  The logo will be the TGO icon that appears on our 3" circular decals.  The serial numbers will most likely start with TGO######. Nothing has been determined regarding distribution yet.  An FFL will have to be involved, obviously. We will work with our existing TGO Vendors first when the time comes.  If a Vendor is not in your part of the state, we will have to work around that. Currently the only thing on the drawing board is the standard 5.56 size lower.  We do not have any info about doing a 7.62 size lower.  If that changes, we'll make a post about it.   Thanks.

  I think I will pass on trusting you if you believe that the complexity of the human brain can be revealed by a handful of questions, and IIRC the question are the same 7 or 8 repeated to catch people being inconsistent in their answers so its really boiling down all of humanity to 10 or less questions!!   I also pass on psych evals --- I do not trust shrinks, I do not trust the government to administer the process properly, I do not trust any of it based off what is currently happening in NYC and other places.     Let me make it really, really, really simple for you.   There are people who will fail these "exams" that are harmless, and their rights will be violated.   There are people who will pass these exams and go on to butcher one or more victims.   This is epic fail.  Catching a small % of a small % of violent folks in a way that hurts innocents is not the american way --- its on par with racial profiling, etc, or guilty until proven innocent, or other things that are not acceptable in our system.   On top of that, the BULK of violence is caused by evil people.   These are the drug dealers, pimps, and thugs that congregate in large cities but can be found anywhere, who are willing to do anything for personal gain.   We have tried (and failed) to stop these people for hundreds of years ----  gun control, registration, and aggravating rules to purchase will not have any more effect on stopping violence than the war on drugs.  All it will do is create a new illegal commodity to peddle (guns) which is already done to some extent but it would increase the black market share on these items.   You want to stop people from hurting each other?   Then make it illegal to hurt other people, if laws are the answer.  Oh wait...

She will get a resounding "DIng, dong, the bitch is dead" when the time comes.

I'm in, and willing to do east tn transfers.

I mentioned this in another thread and thought I would post what I have been seeing.   On Alexander's Facebook page they posted his determination to support the 2nd amendment. (Why?!?) Because other older posts were being littered with comments from people about him not supporting the filibuster. (They saw this was becoming something they needed to address! That means a meeting, drafting a response, then watching to see if it has the desired effect.)   After posting that 20 hours ago they have gotten over 888 comments to that specific post. (That is almost 45 comments an hour!)   So what does that tell them? "Oh CRAP!! Not just smoke... We got a FIRE PEOPLE!!" So what do they do? Post another comment to help "clarify" Alexander's position! That was just 48 minutes ago and they already have an additional 52 comments!! (More than 1 a minute!)   Corker is having the same thing happening with his page.   Creeky's 5 reasons this is an important tool... 1. They HAVE to read the comments... Not part, not skim... ALL the comments. The reason is it has to be managed by someone. Usually a staffer or two. They have to read them to police them for inappropriate content; language, links to products, etc. (My client struggles with this and employs "online Editors" that do nothing but manage their facebook pages for their different products.)   2. It's public... Everyone can see the comments. Including the media outlets and possible people who are wanting to run against them in primaries or general elections. They know this!   3. It can snowball... It's very easy to "share" a politicians post and send it to a friend and say "Can you believe he is saying this?!?". People reading comments they agree we can't help but "chime in" most of the time. This adds more comments that have to be viewed and checked.   4. The viral problem... a mis-spoken response from a staffer or a really good point made in a comment could go "Viral". This is something all companies really, REALLY fear!! If it goes viral it goes nuclear! Triple the comments, plus the press could pick up on it, then people NOT on facebook start hearing about it.   b. Staff morale... Staffers get worn down quickly having to answer phone calls and emails. It's emotionally and mentally taxing. After a while (I assume) you "zone out. You start seeing patterns with calls and emails and you can adjust to it. to a degree. You start skim reading emails, or just lumping them all together. Phone calls you sort of go into "call center mode" and repeat the same thing over and over. Facebook comments are different. They are more taxing... you can't allow mis-information, language, etc. to get in there. So it has to be managed in "real time". These people can only do this for so long then the complaints start. the senators will see the effect it is having on their people... the people they depend on!   This is NOT a substitute for calling and writing letters... not at all!! This however is another effective way to put public pressure on elected officials that should not be discounted.   If you feel like leaving them a comment, below are links to their Facebook Pages. (If you have a facebook account.)   Alexander's Face Book Page Corker's Facebook Page

Rra couldn't come up with chrome bcg's months before the panic. Bet they are years behind now...

People think prices are going to go back down.  :lol:

Good luck with that.

Years ago I used to like him. Now he is annoying. His ego is getting the best of him. He is almost as bad as Chris (I have a thrill up my leg) Mathews. :rofl:

  Read rush's web site.  You can get the entire radio show in 5 min instead of 4 hours.   He has good things to say, but he is just too obnoxious to listen to live, for me.   Rush is pro-gun but clueless about guns.  He reacts to what the media says but it would do him wonders to read some of the well thought out posts on sites like this one.   Basically he is against gun control but he does not have the background to make our case on the air, instead he most often will be critical of the leftism and leave out the counter-arguments that explain our side to the masses.   Its unfortunate but the bulk of the right wing media are not southern and do not understand the conservative rual viewpoint.  They are big city guys and they understand the left VERY well but are a bit out of touch with the republican base (kinda like our reps who tend to be big city rich guys who are out of touch).

Exactly.   I did not agree with much of what Yeager said in the video that caused his problem…I did not like or agree with how Kwick was conducting himself (in fact I believe he did a great disservice to all gun owners in Tennessee). However, neither did anything criminal…neither were ever charged with a crime at all.  All Yeager did was speak out and what he said was not much different than I’ve seen in posts on this and many other forums.  Moreover, his speech was essentially politically oriented speech and if one reads the writings of our founders I suspect you’ll find that they believed that political speech; especially unpopular/unwelcome/dissident political speech deserved 1st amendment protection more than any other type of speech! Bottom line is, were it not for the fact that we need our Tennessee Nanny’s permission to exercise our privilege here; none of what happened to Yeager or Kwick would have happened.   I’m all for taking the right to arms away from those who are truly mentally incompetent and are a danger to themselves or others. But I’ll never be for doing so without due process. Unfortunately, this country hasn’t identified or treated the mentally ill they way they need to be treated for some 40 years and while I think we can all agree that the mentally ill should not have arms; we need to be very careful what we wish for less we end up in Tennessee with exactly what I happening in NY right now (for anyone who do not know that story you need to find out about it).   I can agree that under our firearm privileges we currently have in Tennessee, what happened to Yeager or Kwick was to be expected and that they brought it on themselves.  However, for those who may think that what happened to them was a “good” thing then I am forced to conclude that those folks really believe we should treat bearing arms as a privilege…that they believe it’s appropriate that we need the state’s permission to go armed in Tennessee and would be opposed to the concept of “Constitutional carry”. If that is what they believe then I find that pretty disappointing.  :-\

Just a suggestion for the powers that be on this, I think it would be cool if we could actually include TGO as part of the serial# Maybe something like like "1TGO*****" the 1 standing for first run. I'm sure there will be more if this is a success and it would be cool to have the whole set. Also I'd probably pay a little more to have my user name engraved somewhere on there. Then these can take the place of the challenge coins that we were talking about awhile back.

I too am interested in how CNN can show such total disregard for the law. CNN knowingly violated both Federal law and the laws of three states. CNN Security is now in possession of multiple weapons that they were told were illegally transferred.   As a Tennessee resident I would like to know if our state Attorney General gave them a free pass to violate our laws and then show those violations on TV. Why is the ATF not acting on the Federal violations? Did they give approval to do this?   And yes, the sellers also broke the law if they sold to out of state residents. You are required to know that.

I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly Sarti had no guns seized, and is not banned from owning guns.  He did have his HCP suspended because of a psych evaluation; but we have no information on that other than what came from him.   I watched Sarti’s videos. I watched him wave a gun around and ramble non-sense and I watched the video where he carried on about how you need to be prepared to kill children. He is a nut case.   I’m not concerned about people like Sarti, Yeager, or Kwick losing their HCP’s. They were all attention seekers; they got what they wanted. Of course we are left to try to explain their stupid antics when people bring it up.   When Sandy Hook occurred many of us were saying it wasn’t a gun issue, it’s a mental health issue; nut cases shouldn’t have access to guns. Then when people with mental issues get nailed, some get on here and start whining its gun control. That’s ridiculous.   Someone that makes a video threating to kill people should not have an HCP. A Judge disagrees with me and that fine. Judges let people go all the time; but to say he was vindicated is not accurate. The state acted swiftly and did what they could; good for them.

  Yep, and there's a further irony involved there also. If we had constitutional permit-less carry in this state, Kwik's carry rights couldn't have been taken away, sans being convicted of something that would negate it under state law. And of course he was never even charged with a criminal offense, much less convicted of one.   - OS

Deep down Hanoi Jane always wanted to have her face pushed down into the pillow by a knuckle dragging M60 gunner with a necklace of ears from the bodies of lesser men. I've been to the left coast. I know how them chicks are deep down.

ah has hornady lock and load aps as of yesterday cause i gave them to him also 223 dies butch is ok the best place to get dillon is brianenos.com

If one wanted to go back and count I would suggest that they would find many hundreds of posts that in one way or another, complain about the fact that in Tennessee, we have to pay a fee and get "permission" to exercise our RIGHT to bear arms. I understand why that bothers people...it bothers me.   However, it seems there are more than a few who are willing to stand up for that same process they love to hate when it takes a person's permission away just because of something he said.   I wonder...if we believe that we shouldn't have to have "the system" in place to grant us permission in the first place shouldn't we be equally opposed to that system when it revokes an HCP without any due process beforehand?   Perhaps it's just a reflection of society today that we would think what the state did was a good thing.  I remember when I would go hunting either before or after school and have my shotgun in the trunk of my car...I remember when no one had to lock their guns in their safes; they were out...often loaded and kids didn't go around shooting each other or shoot up their schools.  No we expel a kid if he eats the edges of his cookie until it resembles a pistol or he draws a picture of a pistol.   I remember a time when we didn't take away a person's right(s) unless he actually DID (not just said) something to justify it and then only with due process...I guess we can't wait that long anymore...now we take the right away and make the man prove he is worthy of having his rights. Maybe that doesn't bother anyone but me.  :-\

Needs fishing line...

I dunno, why doesn't everyone have health insurance? Why don't people wear seat belts all of the time? Why do some carry a firearm everyday to prevent their untimely demise, yet get most of their artery clogging nutrition from a drive thru?

The whole problem is still the batteries.  People call electric cars "green" because they don't emit CO2.  Ever looked into the manufacturing processes for the Li-ion batteries?  They use some pretty nasty stuff.  They're very difficult to recycle.  They're very expensive.  And as Boeing recently learned, they're not especially stable.  The technology still has a long way to go before it's viable for the masses, IMO. 

Sometimes I really think about buying stock in the company that manufacturers Vagisil.

Boom Boom, now 53, is in the clubhouse, currently 1 stroke back after second round.   Damn, he's been so close several times in his dotage :), sure wish he could pull it off.   Tiger currently 1 back of Freddy, his resurrection seems solid.   - OS

why is legal for Police,Millatry,and Recue Personal(Fire Dept.) to carry a switchblade but for a ordinary law biding person can't ,the Sheriffs Assoc.is a joke and to make comments that a SwitchBlade sounds like a pump action shotgun just goes to show what dumb asses that they are.

 What it does do, is dry up of the supply [of these weapons] over time.   If only she would dry up. She's like a bleeding hemorrhoid !!!!

It is an interesting concept, but I don't believe that enforcement of the law prevents wrong-doing in most cases.  I believe that by-and-large law abiders do so because of the moral consequences of wrong-doing, more than the legal consequences.    But the movie looks like it could be good entertainment.  I have only seen the first Paranormal Activity movie, but I pee'd a little when I did.

I have them in the truck, they will be posted at the bays in the morning.

What if you go to the store looking for 22 ammo and all they have is Golden Bullets?

  It's the whole Tavor thing.

Wake me up when I can just dump some banana peels and some beer into my tank and get a couple jigawatts of power. Then we'll talk.

I've been to a couple of the shows at Dickson. Usually a pretty big crowd but not many vendors. A lot of junk for sale but not many guns in the past. Tables full of flea market crap for the most part. I live about 15 minutes from the fairgrounds and don't plan on going. I'd rather drive an hour to either guns & leather location and look around. Better deals and don't have to pay for admission.. Just my two cents.

What credible threat?  Clearly TDOS loss that point in court... Nobody on this forum has made the argument that he made a direct threat or really posed a serious threat to the public.  I'm personally not a Yeager fan, but it's clear TDOS over reached, yet nobody has to pay for that overreach.   I know nobody wants to hold "public servants" accountable on here... but we should.  And in cases like this that accountability should be steep.    

  He will come around. It is just a matter of time.

I might be interested depending on what it looks like and if it's actually made in TN. I'm a sucker for things made here but it seems kinda dumb to me to have a TGO lower that's make in NY or something like that.

In that case, I believe he should be censored. What's the difference... 1A... 2A? Screw with one, you screw with them all, Bill. Shame!

  Some of my favs:   Cat Ballou Klute They Shoot Horses, Don't They? The China Syndrome On Golden Pond Coming Home The Morning After Agnes of God   Ya miss a lot of good stuff in life if you can't separate the art from the artist.   - OS

Some of us are too young to remember, but will never forget. F u Hanoi Jane!

So they are pro 2nd A, and they voted to debate it... Well in my mind they are shamelessly wasting our time and money with this debate. 

    Thank you for fighting for our rights and also for taking the time to post all of this here to inform us of the details. :up:

I would suggest that what you see here is not a support for gun control, but a struggle between establishment Republicans and the libertarian leaning group that is seeking to dismantle to statist wing of the GOP.

It's a one way street, we never get anything in return.

If you're not asking to see their ID, then you're asking for trouble. You have to at least know they are a resident, and then ask them if they are a felon ( if they lie that's on them).

Having children and guns available for use is a tremendous responsibility; I know I had to do it when my kids were little. Allowing kids access to loaded guns is reckless.   I take exception to the story about the Deputy that said “He took all the precautions, he's a trained law enforcement officer, trains with weapons all the time." He didn’t take all the precautions. I don’t know why he needed to take off his gun to show someone else a gun in the safe, but if you are doing that; you clear it.     It’s terrible that the woman had to die and that this kid and the Deputy will have to live with this. But this was not an accidental discharge; it was negligent.   When I was a cop our instructors told us that no one likes to talk about the mistakes good Officers made who were killed in the line of duty. But they said they were going to talk about them so we didn’t make the same mistakes. This gun owner made a mistake and it cost a life. All this talk about its okay to have loaded guns accessible to small children and expecting them to be “trained” is ridiculous. It’s reckless; hopefully some will learn from this tragedy.

    Just so we're clear, this is the text of the automated announcement that you received...       If you think that's "very nasty", you should probably take your computer outside and set it on fire now because I'm not sure you're ready for what the rest of the Internet is like.

I'm not saying it's smart, or the right thing to do, but I've hunted and shot for many years and never wore hearing protection, nor safety glasses....until I started shooting skeet about 7 years ago.  Yeah, I'm deaf, but a lot of that was from working in loud environments for many years before hearing protection was mandated by companies. Now I use both all the time except when hunting, and I even wear both when mowing the lawn. If I was a young man again, I'd wear hearing protection all the time, every time I was in a loud environment, and safety glasses when I needed them. 

If you just shot someone there is a reason for it. Dropping security and getting within hand-to-hand distance from a person who was threatening your life only moments before is an extremely high level of stupid.

I don't get asked because I CC and no one knows I'm carrying.