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    If one terrorist is stopped, if one child is saved, if one person doesn't jaywalk...Where the hell does it stop? There is no such thing as 100% security and I don't want my government of the idiots, for the idiots, and by the idiots searching for it. 

Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Yep, if some weirdo Europeans decided they wanted to hold a competition with full nudes at Hilton Head and the conservative community reacted, causing them to cover up, then folks in Denmark would be posting about how us ugly Americans are enforcing our values on their lifestyle. Our reaction would be for them to pound sand, since this is OUR country and our choice to allow or not allow something contrary to our values and morals. I care not what Muslim rules are enforced in Muslim countries so long as they're not enforcing it here.

....really, really, really hate them. :wall: That is all I have to say about that.

Lol that's pretty awesome. I like this one as well. If I can get the video to work right http://youtu.be/po4nZTO3ES4

At some point it has to stop being about money and start being about what is right and wrong. I don't have one and have no intentions of getting one, but to be honest with you I don't really care what the Supreme court says. An infringement is just that. The Constitution is the law of the land and I will follow it until I die. Those are God given rights, and as such, no man can take them away. The right to self protection and to be self goverened is a natural right, and that means being equally as well armed as those who might chose to take away those rights. Sadly we have become a cowed Nation who lets politicians tell us what we may do. This stuff didn't happen in years past because people simple told the Goverment where to put it. And yes I know the NFA has been around since 1934 and I have no idea why they put up with it back then, consdering that they made an Amendment banning alchol and people like my family continued to make and haul it irregardless of what the Goverment boys said. Some people still feel that way Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

Awesome! But the sad part is I understood a lot of what she was saying. I guess I have been a stay at home Dad way too long. LOL

I like cats,  just can't eat a whole one by myself.

no one that can do anything about Obama's administration cares at all.  They are all part of the problem.

True, but not the point at all. If we applied that logic to all things cops wouldn't bother asking before coming into your house or searching your car. I've been to countries where there are no boundaries for law enforcement. That same logic exists. We don't want that here, trust me.

  Ya gotta be joking. Right now, Hillary is the most overwhelming favorite this far out perhaps in history.   I expect Senate and House to remain about the same percentage as now after the midterms.   - OS

The thing is probably fine.  Gather some Pyrodex, balls, primers, crisco then load it up and shoot it.   Don't overthink it.

I know a lot of you don't care, but to those that do. Here is the new road steed It's a 2012 Litespeed C1, Full SRAM Force Groupset, Mavic Ksyrium Wheels.

I find it interesting how some, who profess to be conservative, actually support government snooping.  Some of the Fox News righties are in full agreement with what is happening.  I guess if you really listen to them for a while, you can come to the conclusion that they are not conservative at all.  They are just hawkish socialists.  Perhaps that is just typical of the northeast Republican crowd.

This book is a treasure trove of information about the Army of Tennessee. It's not a good read at all, but it's first hand accounts of day to day camp life. How they fed themselves, sheltered and moved. These are stories that may have been lost forever. I need to share these tid bits with someone.   They buried some cannon barrels at Camp Dick Robinson in Kentucky, in an apple orchard, so the Yankees wouldn't get them. They never went back to dig them up, being smoothbore Napoleons, they are made of brass and won't rust. Are they still there?   A farmer came up one day to pick up his son, who lied about his age to join. The captain gave him his boy back and they went home.         Being a volunteer army, the officers typically did not punish the men for disciplinary infractions by torturing them or humiliating them.  The men would accept being on work details, they would accept being shot but not being hung by their thumbs. The union army (Yankees) had no such restraint. Union soldiers suffered severe tortures and humiliating punishments.   The writer lamented that the worst death a soldier could suffer was dying in a hospital of the fever or disease. He said those were the real heroes.   He also goes in to great detail of the negro "servants" that went with the army. If you were a private and you owned a slave, he would have to do what you told him. You, as a private, had to do what you were told, but officers and NCOs could not give your slave any orders. These black men were never documented so there is no telling how many served with the Confederacy.   Artillery men were sometimes ordered to leave their guns and follow the infantry in an assualt so that when they capture enemy cannons they could man them and use them against the enemy. They would be unarmed during the attack.

Yep. They board a plane in the Middle East dressed in traditional garb and exit the plane in New York dressed like Vegas pimps and whores. Sort of like the transformation that Christians make between saturday night and 11am on sundays, but only in reverse.

Not sure you would have many thugs willing to find out if they were loaded or not.

They can't have lost all their credibility, they never had any in the first place? ;)

It is amazing to see criticism of the God-Emperor Barack Hussein Obama in the New York Times. Unheard of!!

If the people that WORK for a living don't open their eyes and see that those that VOTE for a living are the enemy of freedom, we are doomed.....

You know, this wasn't a "bad" thing until the DOJ went after the AP and FOX phone records. It was treated as "tinfoil hat" stuff by the MSM.  Now that the press felt a little heat, they are going after the Intelligence Community and the DOJ with a vengence!  About time too, IMO!!!  The Obama Administration agenda is getting totally derailed by all this.  I LOVE IT!!!   And here is a word or two for my NSA "friends".  My head is about to EXPLODE!  I think I ate too much PORK! I have to pick up my B-I-L at the AIRPORT on the 26th!  Reckon I'm on yet another list.  Oh well! :)

  Do ya feel lucky?  Well, do ya, punk?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/06/06/did-eric-holder-monitor-the-phone-of-congress-n1614606   Did the government monitor congress?   This may be the final thing that gets congress off their bums to run these criminals to ground.

It is none of the goverments buisness. If you think you have nothing to hide, let me know how you feel when your 5 year old daughter gets strip searched at the air port. No big deal she has nothing to hide either right? Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

hey now revolution is cool too!! lol ... but yeah cant wait to see whats up with the new alien race myself I used to like it but its way too soap opera like - here's a summary of every episode Miles swings sword and tricks someone Aaron (Fat guy with glasses) cowers in fear Monroe gets mad and punishes /threatens someone Rachel talks really quietly and seriously Someone gets the drop on our heros and they are forced to hand over their weapons Yawn

"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

FTFY ;)

Wow this guy actually must have his head on straight! I like his suggestions.   "If not an Illinois resident, the person must have a concealed-carry permit, which requires a background check, issued from his or her home state." Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/2013/06/06/2646191/gibbons-concealed-carry-allowed.html#storylink=cpy

The moon god can't see through walls. I recall sitting in the office of a community leader in Iraq who was smoking and drinking, during Ramadan. He joked that god could only see him when outside. The translation of that is only other Muslims can see him outside. The deviant things they do behind closed doors is both humorous and chilling.

The missing outrage in this as well as the irs scandal is that no .gov worker refused to participate in these activities much less leak them early on. It's a reminder of how powerfully limiting on morals and principles having and needing a job can be. If you ever wondered how the holocaust could have happened when the nazis needed the participation of an entire country's workforce to administer the operational aspects, this is exactly how. And if anyone believes that only phone tracking data is captured, and not the digital record of your call contents, you're smoking something PS: anyone who has amazon prime, you can watch the movie 1984 for free. Take a look and weep

The Madison County State Attorney declared that effective immediately citizens in that county may carry concealed in that county.   http://www.bnd.com/2013/06/06/2646191/gibbons-concealed-carry-allowed.html  

I guess I could bring out the swinging clays...................I can double the number of targets, all depends on the turn out and help. If 60 people show up again, it will be tight. If 30 want to shoot shotgun, a second stage will be needed. bring a full box of shells just in case. Do I hear someone wanting a 40 yard slug target....................? :surrender: I know, buckshot at 30 yards on paper, best 4 scored hits. :stunned:  I wonder how the auto poppers would work at 40 yards with slugs, big 6" target.

Huh? That's like inviting a drunk into my house and then asking him to leave for being drunk. Sure, I guess I shoulda expected them to get drunk, but it's still my damn house. Anyone wanting to do a scantily clad event in a Muslim country is a dumbass to begin with. What blows my mind here is outrage that Muslims would enforce Muslim rules in their own country. Who gives a damn what the monkeys do in their own jungle?

No, but that's not what we're talking about. This is their own country. What they do there is their business. If the event organizers had an issue with that they should have gone to a country where they don't worship the moon god. Indonesia is a Muslim country. They will enforce Muslim stuff. Why is that an issue?

They aren't a minority in Indonesia, where this is taking place. In any Muslim country I've been to bikinis would be illegal unless you were at one of the private resorts where it may be allowed. If folks don't like it, don't hold a competition in a Muslim country. I assume there won't be booze either.

Richard.  Your points are well taken; and i understand the viewpoint.  I hope im right too.    Im a relatively old coot (...66...).  I watched as they reported JFK's death and saw LBJ declare "War on Poverty" and the beginning of the "Great Society".  I saw Viet Nam, and watched Nixon wave goodbye.  In my lifetime; government has gotten bigger and bigger and more intrusive and corrupt just as you suggest with the "soft tyranny" thing; all in the name protecting us from some nameless, faceless, monstrous implacable enemy (...first the russians, then the communists in indo china, then the red chinese, then sadam hussein, then islamic terrorist, now domestic terrorists....) or helping more people who "are less fortunate than we are" by picking the pockets of those who work instead of wait for the "dole"..   The present regieme has taken that even further and kicked the can way down the road toward authoritianism, added a good dose of high handed, "in your face" distain for the citizenry, and has managed to make everyone who wuznt payin much attention; start to pay attention and get madder.   I've never seen folks more polarized than they are today.  I've also never seen them more informed.  The internet blog thing has (...i think...) made it impossible for the gubmt to lie to the total population with the help of a complicit media as they did in FDR's day and in Viet Nam.  Someone is always watching, calling their hand, and publishing the news for the world to read.  That's why you see statist idioits like Linsey Graham and other old time polititians breathing out threats and musing aloud about "First Amendment Protections" for internet bloggers.  They are gettin caught red handed right and left.  If they lie about somethin; someone in the bloggisphere calls their hand.   No one under the age of 60 or so pays attention to the big media; they know they are lyin about everything anyway.  I've got a 24 year old son that never has watched the evening news or read a newspaper except to sneer at it; and he is not alone in that.  His news comes from the bloggisphere.  I count that a good thing.   On the state political scene; state legislatures are talkin seriously about nullification of federal laws.  Nullification threats and actions have not happened since before the Civil War.  Youve got sheriffs of every county in Colorado (...except two, i think...) saying they wont enforce state laws that conflict with Constitutional rights ALA the Second Amendment.  The federal government growls and barks at the states, but they aren't doin anything. I think the federal government, for the most part, is all schoolyard kid bark and no bite.    I think you are seeing and will continue to see a weakening of the federal government's power; with a corresponding increase in autonomy of the individual states (...just, i think, as the Founding Fathers envisioned...).  The red states will get redder and the blue ones will get bluer.   Again, i hope and pray im right.  The alternative is too terrible to think about.   leroy

Why is it that the minority of people get to decide what the majority can see and do,I don't fully understand this concept.Maybe I never will understand,just a small mind I guess.

Sure puts a dent in the plans of people wanting their $3,000 back for their few months old, never fired Bushmaster! Lmao! "Get it before its banned!"

Admit it, you tune in for Horny Mike

  That is precisely the mentality that has gotten this country to the point we are at now, where the government can do whatever it is they like.  If you haven't done anything wrong then there is no reason or excuse whatsoever for them to even think about accessing or otherwise analyzing your personal affairs.

Can we start a topic listing all these over priced sellers? Keep it pinned to the forum and put all of these over priced dealers on display so members think twice about spending their money with them. I will start if it OK with TGO.

Wipe it down. Perform an appropriate function check. Shoot it. Enjoy sharing a great piece of family history.

I predict George Zimmerman will be found not guilty.   Trayvon's parents, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and similar hangers-on will blame it all on race that the "white hispanic" was able to kill a sweet little black kid and then all those on welfare and food stamps (and a lot of free time) in LA, and Chicago and NYC and New Orleans and major cities in FL will take to the streets and burn down their own neighborhoods to show their support for Trayvon.   More militant "black leaders" will call for all out war on "whitey" (from the comfort of the gated communities they live in of course).   Obama will want to have a beer summit with Travyon's parents.   AG Holder (or his replacement if he's been indited or removed from office before the verdict) will seek to charge Zimmerman with violating Trayvon's "civil rights".   Five years from now it might all be over.

Of course he could have been. I've had that Watermelon Tea...it's freakin' delicious. If somebody caught me drinking some and muching on a bag of Skittles, it'd be a far fetched assumption that I was gonna make a drug cocktail with it. If I had a history of drug abuse, listened to rap music, had gold teeth, wore a hoodie, got caught at school with burglary tools and stolen loot, and acted like a thug on FB and you questioned my purchase of Watermelon tea and Skittles, you'd either be profiling or racist, right?

Maybe there is something I'm missing but I don't understand why there needs to be a "Travon" fund either???   Obviously, sweet little Travon doesn't need anything...his family doesn't need anything (it's not like he was a breadwinner of the family)...no legal expenses to pay for???   I'd be willing to bet that what this "fund" is just an excuse to line the pockets of "little Travon's" family.

  This ain't about Zman. Zman wasn't presented to the entire nation as Barack Obama's son.

Since the debate continues I will ask what I asked in the first epic thread and got nothing but politician responses.   What would YOU DO as a licensed and permitted handgun carrier if someone was on top of you slamming the back of your head into the pavement?   The events leading up to your potential death or permanent disability are really irrelevent.  At the point Zimmerman fired the shot heard round the country he was in such a postition and the events leading up to that do not justify his "taking an ass-whoopping".

Chicken pox? ...or bird flu? Sorry, couldn't resist :) I have no idea, but hopefully it is isolated to just those 2

What Oh Shoot said.   But for the record, unless I have been mislead, the original Hebrew used the word for "murder" not "kill". The distinction being you can kill a man and you can kill a cow. You can murder a man, but you cannot murder a cow. Even if illegal, immoral etc, killing a cow does not rise to the same level as murdering a man. Therefore, the commandments do not prohibit self-defense.

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