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I agree with a portion of this thread and am ashamed by a different portion of this thread.   The most shocking thing for me though was discovering that my wife and I's marriage is of no account, as we weren't married in a Church. The horror of finding out that our marriage is a sham and should in fact be called a Civil Union is something that I am not sure how to face. I am worried I have to wake her right now to discuss this...       Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia? Really? Are we twelve?   My brother is gay. I don't much care for him. My brother is a lazy good for nothing bastard that prefers to sit around and do drugs and bitch than to get up off of his ass and try to do something about his poor situation in the world.   Do I hate him because he likes to put his penis in other men's butts?   No. I hate him because he is a worthless drain on society.       I have a close friend who is gay. He spent his whole life in shame and hiding, battling a severe alcohol addiction stemming from the shame. He came from a good home, was never molested, had two parents who loved him. He is like me. He is honest, a damn hard worker and one of the finest friends ANYONE could have. I think he has every right to be as happy, or as miserable as me and my wife, I mean Civil Partner.       Marriages existed before Christianity. The religion argument is null.   I am a Mormon that sells Dr. Pepper. That is a pretty big sin of it's own right there in my group. The hell with the smoking or premarital sex.   However, I think that every man, woman and child in this great country of ours is entitled to the EXACT same rights.

"Defense is doing a good job" "Dude, this is the prosecutions' witness lineup.  Defense hasn't even started yet." "Wait, what?  Why'd this go to trial?" "Obama needed Florida, and a distraction from F&F and the economy."   After this is over Zimmerman should own CNN. CBS and ABC, for starters.

He's not always wrong. With that said, he's more the definition of batshit crazy.

  Alex Jones. You need to wrap your entire body in tin foil.

Oh, I think history as proven us Christians are as savage as those Muslims, when we want to be and it suits our purpose.

  No, they don't.  They are not allowed to take part in the legal institution of marriage that provides a wide variety of legal privileges and benefits.  These are being denied to a specific segment of our population simply because their lifestyle doesn't fit the worldview of a political majority in this country.  As long as benefits are being made available to married couples, something that I think should end, then same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry and live their lives together just as I am allowed to do as a heterosexual.   And before anyone asks, I also think that polygamous folks should be able to marry as well as long as all involved are consenting adults and are aware of the multi-partner relationship.  It's none of my concern whether some guy wants to marry one woman, one man, or a group. As far as the Christianity argument goes, it seems as if most Christians in this part of the country would be more than happy to establish a Christian state much like the Muslim nations in the Middle East.  Folks around these parts claim to support personal freedom, but do so only as long as everyone submits to the same interpretation of the Bible as they do.  The mention of homosexuality as an "abomination" is in the same part of the Bible that also says eating shellfish is an "abomination" and encourages stoning of women who don't submit to their husbands.  Homosexuality isn't mentioned anywhere in the New Testament, which is actually the true foundation of the Christian faith.  Why religious zealots in this country have decided to camp out on the issue of homosexuality is something I'll never understand.

Around 3am today I woke up to see my wife standing on my side of the bed, in the dark, leaning over and whispering to me.  My first thought was to reach for my pistol on the night stand by the bed.  I did this, but my gun wasn't there. In the next couple of seconds many, many thoughts ran through my head;  was someone trying to get in the house, was someone already in the house, where's my gun etc. I remembered that I had shot and cleaned my bedside gun yesterday but while reassembling it I had received a phone call and must have left it by my recliner which is at the other end of the house.  I jumped out of the bed and ran into the closet to get my 870.  As I came back into the bedroom my wife said "Do you really think you need that shotgun?"  I said "Maybe, why?"  She said "I was just trying to tell you that I think that there's a mouse in our mattress!" :eek:  My heart rate had to have gone from about 70 to somewhere above 300 and was now starting to go slowly back down.  Anyway, the mouse wasn't in the mattress but was in the attic.  I got it with a Daisy M853 today.  Learned a few things and among them were;  Make sure your home defense weapon is where it's supposed to be - always - and find out what your wife is telling you before you try to get engaged.  I'm sure there are many more lessons learned in there but I don't think I'll be able to process them until my heart rate gets back below 100. First time in many years that I haven't had some kind of weapon within arm's reach. I just had to tell somebody about this without having to look them in the eye. :stunned:

The Bible is also "pretty clear" on all sorts of behaviors that their parishioners partake in, yet you don't suggest that their denomination is not legitimate.  This is the point of my comparison that you took offense to.  I am an Episcopalian who attends church with gay and lesbian couples and know of one member of the church staff that is gay.  I was raised a Southern Baptist, spent quite a bit of time in a Christian Missionary Alliance church and a Lutheran church, attended a small rural non-denominational Christian church for a while, went to a Nazarene church a couple of times, and explored the Catholic church.   I find my current Episcopal church to be one of the most genuine and Christian-like out of all of the churches I have attended in my life.   Many Biblical scholars would point out that your interpretation of what the Bible does say about homosexuality is inaccurate.  Here is one such scholar who spoke at my church several months ago.  Dr. Rev. Rebecca Wright is a Methodist minister and a professor at Suwannee, so I give her argument some serious weight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR6ZzhYHS6s   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR6ZzhYHS6s

  It's also fairly clear on a bunch of other sins practitioners regulary indulge in.

Zimmerman has grounds for some high dollar lawsuits once he gets done with this witch hunt.

I heard Jackson and Sharpton are going to throw rose peltles on the ground for Zimmerman to walk on as he exits the court house a free man and all the little racebaiters are going to get to together and take up a collection to pay all of Zimmerman's expenses for this ridiculously unnecessary trial.  ;)

  Get with the program, Chuckie. You gotta listen to lots of libtard media, so you're properly informed.

Once again, if somebody ran on a platform of voting only to repeal current laws, regardless of party the cat would have my vote.

Pretty much all of the opinions above can be applied to just about every single thing the government does. They measure their success by the number of new laws/regulations/bills they sponsor, pass, or help in passing. Once the laws are passed they no longer care if they are effective, which is why it is so damn hard to repeal anything in this country. 

Big Boy? Big Boi? Big Bo....errrr... fat man?

  ...and most gun owners support Republicans, 'cause Democrats hate guns. I know several gay Republicans that are smart enough to know that even though the Repubs legislate against them, the alternative is much worse.   Me... I wish they would all drop their little pet hate projects, and get on with running the friggin' country. But... they don't have to do that, since we're more than happy to consume ourselves with 169 post homo threads :).

Naw, them eggs are down on Dickerson road.

Some people in the south want the government to be based on the Bible, yada, yada, that's all fine, but that's a Theocracy, and just for reference, Iran is a Theocracy. Not good right?   The Bible can say this and that, but as far as I know it's not the constitution of the United States.   In Iran, The Quran is pretty much the constitution.

What game is this and what is his gamer tag so I might destroy him.

  They are SUPPOSED to have that right. Popular election of Senators is why we have no states' rights any more. The 17th Amendment needs to be abolished yesterday.

    This is why I bought mine.   I have the larger version, but it can be operated by security code or by key.  I don't care if it could be smashed with a sledge.  That means someone would have to carry a sledge or a heavy ass lock box with them after they steal it.  Either way, I don't see that happening.  If it does I have insurance.  Criminals would do more damage to my home or automobile trying to free my firearm than the actual cost of the firearm.    In my opinion, these are meant as a deterent to vehicle theft (if properly cabled) or to little hands.  I'm more concerned about little hands getting ahold of an unsecured pistol.  This gives me peace of mind.  I've had it since my first born was a toddler.

  I thought he was making a reference to my extremely profound question about smilies? Two Nicky's? Just what the world needs... ;)   Ok, really hope this works... :rofl: This has got to be the most obtuse statement yet in a thread awash in ignorance. Are you really stating that because its not your church that its no church at all? We really need to get Saur Craut involved in these convos, right now its a total sausage fest in here and it's starting to feel a little homo. Just sayin.

03's can have bad metal...03A3's never do.

Yup. I wish this could be a non-issue so we can focus on the things that actually WILL destroy our country. We got a tornado bearing down on our house and we're prioritizing ourselves to arranging where the pansies should be in relation to the rose bush.

  Yep. It's pretty hard to be the biggest douchebag in the room when Piers is there, but Alex pulled it off.

  You need to come on over to the dark side, with all us racists :)

With 2 1/2 million miles behind me (and hopefully more to come once I heal up!), my personal opinion is that it will affect different types of drivers (local, regional, long-haul, live-load, drop & hook, flatbed, reefer, dry van, tanker, over-dimension, etc...) in different ways. None of which will contribute to the overall safety of the industry.   In fact I'd venture to say that virtually NONE of the changes I've seen in the past 25 or so years regarding the laws which govern the transportation industry has contributed much at all to public safety. What HAS helped the overall safety of our industry is better equipment, better education & training of drivers and law enforcement and better <trained> dispatchers. I still get as tired now as I did 25 years ago and the changes in the hours of service regulations don't make me any more rested now than they used to. Granted, I'm a safer driver now than I used to be, but that has come through experience, education and training rather than being told when I can or can't drive, have to take a break and for how long.   And to answer the OP's initial question as it pertains to me, personally, I'm neither for or against: I'll generally be able work around it and not have much of an inconvenience, but it ticks me off when someone who doesn't know me (or any other driver for that matter), from Adam tries to make me believe they know more about my personal physiology than I do. :(

The situation came to Zimmerman? So someone made him stop his vehicle, get out and become involved in a foot pursuit of a person who was apparently not engaged in any illegal activity even after the police dispatcher advised him not to do so? Wow, the force must have been really strong in that Trayvon character for him to make Zimmerman do all that just so he might get a chance to beat Zimmerman's head against the ground. I'll repeat what I said, and highlight a couple of facts for you, since apparently you have either missed them, or are blissfully ignoring them. The EVIDENCE shows the situation came to Zimmerman. The EVIDENCE shows that Martin doubled back, to confront Zimmerman, which is what led to Martin's shooting, regardless of how you feel/what you think. The EVIDENCE shows that in fact Zimmerman was never "advised to not follow Martin", a dispatcher told him they didn't need him to do that, per the 911 call. Which basically means squat. He broke no laws by stopping his truck or keeping an eye on Martin, the only law broken that started the ball rolling was Trayvon jumping Zimmerman. So, please, tell me again about this "force" you speak of. Besides any of this, if Zimmerman broke no laws (which there has been no EVIDENCE to say he has), and presented no threat to make Martin fear for his life, he was justified to end Martin's life with his firearm to protect his own. That's what the EVIDENCE shows.

But if it's green, it must be good for the planet...

I have a GunVault NanoVault 200 mounted in each vehicle. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another product from them, though I went with the nano b/c I prefer no electronics on my smaller lock boxes. I keyed them all alike so I don't have to worry about which is in which vehicle.

  You don't get arrested for a hate crime just for kicking some guy's ass who cut you off.  You get arrested for a hate crime for saying the "fagot" deserved to get his ass kicked for being gay, oh yeah and he just so happened to cut you off.  I think it is pretty clear you have an issue with gays even beyond the marriage issue.

  Don't worry, Nacho. My Facebook post from last night...   Magpul delivers 20,000 discounted PMAGs to the good citizens of Colorado. Suck it, Barry!

Very interesting & thought provoking (as usual) Leroy. I agree that "We the People" have become so divided, along political, racial, cultural, religious & ethnic lines that we, as what should be at least as a semi-homogeneous group, no longer having very much (if anything) in common with one another (as a whole) at all. I also believe that this dissolution of our commonalities has been intentional.

Well that was sunshiny.

  Because they're a bunch of fundamentalist fucking savages??  We just watched Syrians, the same people that our Gov't is trying to help, saw the heads off of two people....all the while screaming Allah Akbar.  Yay for religion.

Many people won't agree, but I have and always will support this. We have no right to tell someone they have to lay there and suffer in levels of pain that most of us will never know exist

While not a trucker, I am in the business.  In fact, I'm a programmer and just finished up programming the new software to track HOS violations for our OTR guys.  What a PITA!   I agree with TDR that I don't think this is going to have an effect on crashes, which is what this rule (along with CSA2010) was setup to prevent.  What it is going to do is make for a bunch of violations counting against HOS points because guys will have a hard time keeping it straight.  I'm not saying they aren't smart enough to do it, it's just that confusing.   I know my guys would hate to hear me say it, but if I were on the road everyday, I'd take an EOBR all day long just so I could stay legal.

  LOL... nah, I will let you keep smacking me down.  But some day!!  Some day!!     I'd say we'll probably end up at the lake.

  I was hoping it was for better reasons for you being out of town.  Thoughts and prayers for your dad and a speedy recovery!

  Bring the family, I will let you beat me in the match scores if it helps the cause.  Asking Norma to let you win, even I can't get that done....LOL

I wish all those straight people would quit having gay kids. I think that might rectify the situation. 

I am not so sure the Bear Force guys are gay.  That is really bad choreography and fashion sense.

Any employer so draconian that they would use dogs trained to detect firearms is probably not a place I'd want to work at. Everyone's decision about that has to be their own but I'd certainly be looking for a new place to work or taking retirement as soon as I was eligible. Personally, I'm going to be pushing for changes in the law that simply makes it illegal, as a matter of state employment law, for an employer to passively search a vehicle (such as with the dogs you describe) or to even ask or compel a search of a vehicle. No one should be able to compel a search of a vehicle except a law enforcent officer with either probably cause or a search warrant. It should be that way for a person's body...it shoudl be that way for a persons home...it shoudl be that way for a person's vehicle.

  That's the whole deal. Gun owners, of all people, should get that.

I'm generally in favor of more freedom. Doma was clearly unconstitutional. Denying citizens the right to marry who they choose is no different than Jim Crow laws.

Wow...That brings up an interesitng thought. there could be hundreds of Martin/Zimmerman cases pop up. Which will could very well snowball into more.   I tell you i blame the race mongers for this. Sharpton, Jackson & co. The media, too. They'll never let racism die as long as they can profit from it and situations like this play right into their hands.

I would be seriously ticked if they started burning down their neighborhoods considering taxpayers are the ones who provided that housing.

Ignoring all that internet chatter, I think the threat to him is very real. The people that will go after him aren’t posting on twitter and I doubt they are the type to challenge him to gun fight. The New Black Panthers openly put a bounty on him dead or alive and the justice department stood by silently; that says a lot. There are people waiting for a reason to riot; they don’t care about Martin or Zimmerman. Either way the verdict goes; they will use it as a reason to destroy property and steal stuff.

This. On a related note. People should be very careful about what they post on the Internet. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2

  I think it is funny (as in odd, not comical) that, as an HCP holder, if I were so inclined I could legally carry so many firearms on me at one time that I could barely walk, can legally have (if I wish) multiple loaded long guns behind the seat of my vehicle but could be arrested and jailed for carrying a switchblade or a knife with a blade over 4 inches in length.  Are knives even more prone to jumping out and going on a killing spree, all on their own, than guns?   I think the whole switchblade thing comes from the same, senseless 'legislating by emotion' place that makes some moronic politicians want to ban firearms just because they have features which make them 'look' scary to some observers.  It has nothing to do with actual functionality, potential lethality or potential for misuse and everything to do with switchblades upsetting some nervous Nellies' sensabilities.