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  They sure won't be calling anyone after an EMP.  Might be worth it just to kill all the phones stuck in everyone's ears.

After six years of school, I just submitted my last assignment to fulfill the requirements for a Master's Degree in Information Systems Business Intelligence. What a strange feeling!  No more homework, no more (school) deadlines. I'm..done.   I've been working in the BI field for a while now, but to be done with the degree is just...something. Not sure I even know how to describe the feeling, but I wanted to share with my fellow TGOers.  :wave:            

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What does is sound like when 10 or 15 MacBooks simultaneously slam shut?

You looking to get cut? I'm Irish and Mexican, so you keep saying shit like that and I will. Just let me finish my beer first.

hand job... now if i could just convince the wife to do it for me.....

Cops stood by during the LA riots as they watched people being murdered and brutally assaulted and did nothing. This is why I'll never understand liberals when they say you don't need a gun because that's what police are for. Obviously it isn't.

  I just think you're going way deeper than they're gonna go. I think Douchemort wasted his time again, unless he found a new love while he was locked up. If the cops did make some kind of minor error, they're just gonna go oops. Piss on Lenny.

Nobody is saying they couldn't perform a terry stop and have a conversation with him....  You have to separate the stop to ask him some questions and see what is going on, and the search of the rifle case.   I haven't seen anybody argue that legally they couldn't walk up to the guy and ask him what is going on...  so stop bringing that fact up, we all agree stopping him was perfectly within current case law (I'm happy to have a separate discussion on how terry v ohio is horrible case law and should be overturned, but that topic is for another time and place).   The issue some of us have is with the search of a locked case that was no longer within arms reach of Leonard, and the arrest because Leonard claimed they had the paperwork in their possession before he was arrested.   Just because something is not normal doesn't give police the ability to even stop you, let alone probable cause to search you, let alone search a locked case that is no longer in your possession without a warrant.   And, you also overlook that there were 2 different police encounters within a 10 to 15 minute span...  In the first encounter 10+ officers let Leonard go, he was wearing the exact same kevlar vest, and carrying the exact same gun case...  And then the second encounter that we've all seen the video tape of...  between those two encounters he did an interview with a TV reporter...   So I agree the context of the situation matters.  So lets talk about the context of this situation...  maybe a man wearing body armor and a gun case isn't normal, but once you stop that person have a conversation and LET THEM GO... and you see the exact same person 15 minutes later doing walking in the same general area how do you suddenly get probable cause that he is now committing a crime?   So which is it, the first group of 10-15 officers all got it wrong, and should be disciplined for letting a possible madman walk around downtown Nashville?  Or the second group (which included a number of the first group) got it wrong for seeing the exact same person released 10 minutes ago (who you've just watched have an interview with a local TV reporter) is suddenly a person about the go on a shooting spree?   One group of officers got it completely wrong...  which one is it?    

The issue is what specific probable cause do you have to think the rifle is loaded?   Unlike with an HCP everybody who can legally own a firearm can carry it around unloaded, so an officer would need probable cause that this one rifle was loaded.   The 'locked' container is another problem for the search as well, there was a lock on the outside of the case, you can see that from media screencaps, and it was cased in such a way as it was impossible to determine if the chamber was empty without destroying the lock.  I don't think the fact the case wasn't super sturdy factors into whether the owner attempted to protect the item(s) inside the case by locking it.   A perfect example, of this, if you had an old laptop backpack that had a rip in the side, and you tried to mend that backpack with tape, then proceeded to lock the bag to prevent something from opening the bag up...  does the fact that there is some tape negate the lock completely?  Or lets say you're using a cheap plastic handgun case, that is locked, and somebody comes by and pry's the corner up enough to see a handgun in the case, does that mean it wasn't locked?  Of course not...     Also, we now know exactly what the listed probable cause was from the officers police report, and it's complete bunk...  Can you blindly pick up a cased rifle and tell from the weight whether it was loaded or not?  Can anybody?  I'd love to hear what training the officer had that allowed him with any degree of certainty to pick up an unknow model firearm and tell from the weight alone if it was loaded or not.   And remember that simple PC does not equal a legal search, the police had full possession of the cased firearm, it was well out of reach of a suspect that was fully complying with all orders of the police officers in question...  What was the exigent circumstance that prevented them from getting a warrant before searching the case?  There was no risk to the public by the time they had the case.  Nothing was stopping them from sitting there for 30 more minutes waiting on a court order to open the case.  So anyway you cut it, the search was bad.   Then you come to the arrest, here is where Leonard made a critical mistake, by having that NFA item on the firearm it gave them an excuse to arrest him...  well except for the paperwork he claims was in the case with the firearm...  if that turns out to be true then how did they not become aware of the paperwork before he was booked?  I'm willing to bet we find out that the paperwork was documented right along side the firearm and the arrest becomes bad as well.   None of the douchebag actions that Leonard did that day excuse police officers of violating his rights and not following the constitution...  Arguing that they stepped over the line is not some show of support for Leonards actions, only a lack of support for overzealous actions on the part of the police officers who performed the search and arrest.  

    You don't have to out run the bear, just out run your buddy.  The guy with the camera around his neck is dead meat.  :lol:

I don't want to make light of the death of a bear.  I don't want to but this damned smartass nature of mine won't be stopped so:   The article says that the bear turned his rear toward the hiker.  The hiker then said, "Hey, bear," in an attempt to let the bear know he was there and not startle it.  At that point, the bear charged at the hiker.   Being as it had just turned its rear toward him, I wonder if the bear might have misheard, "Hey, bear," and though that the hiker was calling him a, "Gay bear."  Maybe the bear then went running toward the guy to exclaim that he (the bear) was NOT gay - just curious.  Would that make killing the bear a hate crime?

I'll admit, that's me. I don't watch NASCAR and never thought wrecks were cool, but I sure would get a good laugh out of Voldemort getting a hot lead injection for his stupidity.

Crew chief.  A first light flight at dawn, with the mist laying in the valleys and the air cool through the doors makes you want to do it for free.

Not everyone is a turkey hunter. :)   Speaking of funny turkey hunts...   This past spring I was hunting in KY with a friend. We had a great morning set up that resulted in calling in a pair of longbeards. Unfortunately they hung up too far out. Around lunch, we pack up and moved to another field to do some mid day blind sitting. Well my friend stepped in a creek and got his socks wet on the way to the blind. When we got to the blind he proceeded to pull off his boots and hang his wet socks out of the front window of the blind. It was warm, so I pulled my boots off too. We sat there and played around with several calls, swapping them back and forth, trying different strikers. Then we decided to take a short nap. With my buddy almost asleep, I caught movement across the field. TURKEY! I woke him up and said, "Get your gun, turkeys headed our way." I picked up my call and coaxed the big tom across the field. When he was still 100 yards out, my buddy whispered, "We don't have shoes on. Who's gonna run out and get the bird." It was all I could do to keep from laughing out loud. The bird worked it's way in and my buddy hammered it at 15 yards. We slipped our boots on and walked out to the bird only to find that he had shot a little low and blown the beard clean off.    Then, if that wasn't enough, we were standing around packing up and the turkey was laying on the ground near me. I looked over at it and some something moving on the bird. I inched closer and saw a weird greenish gray foot clawing from it's feathers! It's fair to say I was freaked out! We got a stick and poked around and out crawls a toad! Not sure how long he had been riding on the turkeys back, but it just added to an already funny hunt. 

  There's still plenty of reasons to try to replace both of them, unfortunatly they have most of the money to run their campaigns and commercials while a decent candidate doesn't have the funds or a  chance. That's why we have Haslam also.

Kwik seems to be TGO's case of the clap. No matter what kind of shot this forum gets, it still has periodical outbreaks.

  Kwik needs to make an issue of it, I guess.   - OS

  Which is one of the dumbest damn laws in the history of dumb. Most of my knives deploy as easily and as fast as an automatic.

Public safety exception (and officer safety exception) goes out the window the instant they separate the suspect from the sealed container if they believe the sealed container holds a firearm.  A firearm in a sealed (even crappy) container is of no threat to the public or the officers once it is outside the reach of the suspect.   There are very few limited situations where public/officer safety exception would be allowed on a container separated from the suspect...  for example if the police believed the container contained a bomb...  but if that was the case, the police officer failed to follow SOP of a suspected bomb in trying to open the container...  and more importantly the officer's own report contains no claim of a public safety exception.   Have you read the officers report?  He documents exactly what he thought the probable cause was to open the container.   He claimed that he could tell from the weight that the container held a LOADED firearm.     Now, do you believe that you could tell whether an unknown AR15 model in an unfamiliar closed container was or was not loaded based solely on the weight of that firearm?   Because that is what the officer in question wants us to believe was his probable cause that the firearm in that case was a loaded and not an unloaded firearm.    

  Yeah, I'd want the real thing, like the Pet Rock. ;)   And let's don't forget the Singing Largemouth. Wish I'd had a cut of that action.   - OS

  I will host the one in Oak Ridge.  :D  Hell the mayor might support it if he only reads gun buy back.

Yes you do, and you probably know how hard it is to take anything seriously when he's involved.

.905 round: $40   rotator cuff surgery: pony up your deductible   - OS

Drew Johnson is a helluvan editor and a staunch libertarian. This absolutely needs to be reversed. The relatively new editor-in-chief is a flaming liberal, though I am sure that had nothing to do with it..... 

We'll have to wait until the evidence list is posted to know for sure...  but so far everything that Leonard has said has proven to be correct, he is claiming that the paperwork was in the case with the firearm.   And frankly I'm not sure the state can demand to see the paperwork on NFA items legally...  I remember reading somewhere that NFA stamps are considered tax records, and federal law prevents the states from having access to federal tax records without a court order.  But, I might be wrong on that.  

My point was PC alone does not mean an officer has a exigent circumstance under the law to search without a warrant.  Current case law seems to indicate that PC of something generally illegal does not provide exigent circumstance for a warrantless search for a locked container.  If they thought kidnap victim or a bomb was locked in the case sure, but not sure that a firearm that may or may not be loaded is going to qualify in this case.    

Mike,   That is just plain silly, how can you threaten somebody with a rifle slung on your back?  Just because you have an over reaction to something somebody does doesn't mean you were threatened.    

Racists

I'm staggered by the knowledge exhibited by Ms. Boots. Perhaps she's simply got good google-fu, but the fact that this was included in the article is amazing to me... Perhaps I shouldn't be amazed, but I am. After all, this seems to be the norm...

Add me to that list as well.

  I often find myself hunting my keys.  By the time I find them, I sometimes want to shoot the b@st@rds.  If I did, I'd probably use a shotgun.

Some folks watch NASCAR to see the cars go fast, or for the tail-gating barbecue, or for the beer, but some of them go to see the cars CRASH and maybe watch a driver DIE.   Who is who with Voldemort?   Once again, this irrelevant non-entity goes and does something between righteous, stupid, sinister and evil -- and good men and women who normally get along quite well start writing volumes and volumes of soap-box rants about how this is good and this is bad and he has rights and law enforcement has responsibilities and for what?   I'm beginning to think some of us, maybe even me, might just be taking another bite of pulled pork and swigging a Budweiser and waiting for the fatal crash on the third turn.   When is Voldemort going to finally do something legal but stupid, perhaps innocent but looking guilty, treading the line, treading the line, goading the police, and finally, JUST GET SHOT TO DEATH.   It's not even like we're watching our favorite highly-skilled driver doing more than 200 miles an hour on the track, skillfully weaving and dodging amongst the other cars -- it's like watching your drunk stupid fat uncle in his old Buick clown-car doing 85 with a beer on the center console waving a pistol out the window endangering all the bystanders and the three cop cars that are forced to follow him.   Just get to the shoot-out where he dies in the middle of the street from three bullet holes in the forehead,with a stupid but surprised look on his face and his pants full of crap.   I'll change the channel to the Simpsons when his picture shows up on TV and I'll put his newspaper obituary on the bottom of the parakeet's cage,

  He was lawfully detained.  He was not free to go, they let him know that.  They determined they had PC to search him.  When this goes before a judge they will articulate that, and it will either be upheld or it won't.  He was arrested and charged with a crime.  He wasn't held in an interrogation room from which he was free to go, he was actually arrested.    If it comes out that the police had good PC for the search then none of his rights were violated.  I don't see how this has to do with some random person that may or may not be put into an interrogation room they are free to leave from.  If someone voluntarily goes with police for questioning without consulting a lawyer, that is their problem.  It is not the job of the police to be a lawyer for you.  I'll never understand how police get a bad rap for the average person being a dumba**.  They have investigations to do.  It is not their fault if you choose to cooperate when you otherwise shouldn't have.

Good goin', jcj....Business intelligence is an exciting field.  Think you'll ever get a chance to waterboard Donald Trump?  :ph34r:

Because Conservative radio tells the truth. The liberal stations are just like the liberal mainstream media. They cannot tell the truth and would rather drink kool aid and put a spin shine on obamawhos ass while listening to in a godda da vida until the sun comes up.

I'm amused by how many times the acronym "IANAL" has been used in this thread.

We need more stories like this along with her corrupt history popping up on the screen on a monthly basis and daily when approaching 2016.  :stir:

Whatever you do, don't say that name 5 times into a mirror....

Kwik, is the Westboro Church of gun owners!

TERM LIMITS..!!!! With a 2 term liifetime maximum....NO exceptions.

umm... I'll draw the line at wanting someone out of public office. No one. No one needs cancer.

  What drives him has nothing to do with gun rights.  It has more to do with the frustration of being born into the body of the biggest douchetard on the planet. 

Money.

It's probably safe to say he didn't violate any laws, since I'm sure he's been planning this for a while and likely made sure he had all his bases covered, but it still demands the question... WHY????   Imagine you are downtown having lunch with your kids and you see a man walk in with a rifle slung wearing body armor.  I can tell you that your first thought would not be "well it looks like this upstanding gentleman is simply exercising his rights to be a flaming douchetard."  You will likely think that he is on the first leg of a shooting spree.  Not "if" but "when" he gets gunned down for being an idiot I hope he lives long enough to regret being a effing moron.

As a former Police Officer that has participated in high risk entries without having to dress up in tactical gear; I have always opposed this. The possibility of someone flushing some dope should never been a reason for putting people’s lives at risk.   High risk means just that. Unless someone’s life is in danger there is no reason to kick in a door in the middle of the night; especially when there is any chance you have the wrong house.   If you have to make entry it should be made by Officers in a standard Police uniform that people recognize.   What can you do? You can put this right at the feet on the only people responsible for it, and in every department that is one man or woman; the Chief or Sherriff.   We saw it happen with disastrous results right here in Lebanon a few years back; needless death of an innocent man because the Officers were not prepared or trained for what happened.   This reckless conduct puts the citizens and the Officers at a risk that cannot be justified in everyday use.  

The old saw, "Your rights end where my nose begins," surely applies here....except we can edit that to front bumper.

Depends on situation. If I have to get down that road for some reason, or if they show major aggression towards me or other drivers then the AR comes out, and we find out just how badly they wanna block that road. If they are blocking the road but not being super aggresive then Id lock the doors, handgun on lap and use the horn and push my way through. If it wasn't critcal to travel the road then Id find another route if they weren't physically attacking others. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

"It would be better if wilson county minded their own business" sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee