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   I think they'd taste better if they'd bake them like all the other chains instead of serving them raw.   - OS

its not that it goes away, but that it reverses.... after a bit you feel worried when you don't carry.

Well, new to me. Last year I picked up a Browning BAR in .30-06. As much as I tried to like it, it just never felt right to me. It was a great and accurate gun but I am more of a bolt or lever action guy. So I came across a guy selling a 1978 Belgian made Browning BBR in .270. You do not see the BBRs for sale to often. The BBR is kinda the predecessor to the A-bolt. It has a fat bolt and is built very solid. [url=http://s196.photobucket.com/user/kahrman/media/B086ADBC-9B00-41AB-8FAD-63A57CF5A3E6_zpsdyta3tki.jpg.html][/URL] It has some minor character marks but over overall it is in good shape. I put a Leupold VX3 3-9x50 on it and took it out to sight it in yesterday. I must have done a poor job bore sighting it because the first shot was off paper. Took a few more shots to get it dialed in. I was happy with my first three shot group. I think this is going to make a great deer rifle. [url=http://s196.photobucket.com/user/kahrman/media/38FC44BF-6815-4A4B-8212-3314D67D1C65_zpsics7tbuv.jpg.html][/URL]

Folks, the Hines decision is really nothing more than a run of the mill post conviction case that happens to be about a shooting that the defendant tried to make into self defense.  It is not announcing any new law, and it is not a reported decision (meaning it has little precedential value).  Also, while I'm not going to go as far as TMF in the other thread, I do think there is some misleading information being conveyed by the OP that needs to be cleared up.   The trial lawyer in Hines did not do a bad job.  His client was charged with first degree murder, felony murder (essentially first degree murder) and especially aggravated robbery. He was convicted of the lesser included offenses of second degree murder on the two murder charges, and aggravated assault on the esp. agg. rob.  Guy was facing two life sentences for the murders (and I'm guessing this was a non-capital case) and an additional 15-25 on EAR.  A very, very long time if convicted as charged.   He got a total of 22 years.  That's very good, ok?  That's a great result.    Furthermore, it looks like the failure to understand self defense law was the less important of two issues in this case.  The bigger one was the lawyer's failure to impeach state's witnesses, and the defendant actually got further on that issue.  On a post conviction petition in Tennessee you have to establish two things.  One is deficient performance by your attorney, and two is prejudice resulting from that deficient performance. You can have deficient performance but no prejudice, and that's what happened here with the failure to impeach.  The court said the lawyer should have impeached, but that they didn't was of little consequence to the outcome.   As for not understanding the self defense law, both the trial and appeals court said it wasn't even deficient performance (the trial court maybe not as clearly) so the defendant didn't even get past the first hurdle. In other words, the appeals court didn't think it was that big of a deal. Yes, they did send out a little side note to the lawyer to please read the law before trial next time, but they didn't by any means throw him/her under the bus.  In fact the court commended the attorney for being able to switch tactics like that in the middle of trial.    So I disagree with OP that the trial lawyer was "pretty darn bad."  I think that lawyer did an excellent job with what he/she had to work with.  I think OP has latched onto a relatively minor issue and is trying to make it into the be-all-end-all of bad lawyering within the context of self defense cases.  Even the best lawyers have "oh crap" moments in the middle of trial.  Lawyers joke to each other that what we do is called the practice of law, meaning that we're continuously practicing it and never perfecting it.     Like TMF I do question OP's intentions for coming onto TGO with all of this.  Is it to sell a book?  I don't know.  But I do believe facts are being twisted.  Finally I disagree with his first comment that finding the right lawyer is too long of a topic for a forum post.  It's really quite simple and I can boil it down for everyone in a few words: get the best criminal defense lawyer in your area that you can, period.

Yeah. One time at Home Depot, I got made by a teenage girl, who went through a series of pantomimes to tell me she could see my gun. After ignoring her for about 5 rounds, I walked off, with my zipper still down. True story.

From His Cold Dead Hands: When Should Grandpa Give Up His Guns?  I am not giving up my guns.  Period.   http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/his-cold-dead-hands-when-should-grandpa-give-his-guns-n145501

  Glad I got rid of him when I did or we might have been getting billed for all his "free" legal advice.

Contrary to what some may think, I don't see it to be uncommon for a purchased firearm to sit in a safe that long before being fired. Maybe not the smartest thing for us to do, but it happens for often than many will, or would like to admit. And yes...I have done it as well. Thankfully the worst incident I've had has been with a Chiappa Beretta clone in 22. Put it away, then took it out and found it to be a piece of excrement.

Thanks to the TGO member that sent me this showed up today. Never know unless you ask. I like it happy to have one. Jason

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1165571" timestamp="1404576038"] I think by most Officers it would not even be an issue unless they see something that makes them have a good reason.[/quote] I recall a thread here where a TGO LEO said he disarms every lawfully armed person he stops. His argument being that it is his right to do so under the law. I don't believe he is the only LEO that thinks this way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We get very little oil from Iraq. In fact it was just announced the other day that America is now the #1 oil producing country on earth surpassing Saudi Arabia in production yet we are seeing our gas prices go up every day at the pumps. I think Oil needs to be removed from the Commodities Trading Market on Wall Street so big money has no control about driving the prices up and down when ever they get ready. If we are the biggest producer of oil in the world why is it that a gallon of gas in Saudi Arabia in 35 cents and a cost of a gallon of gas in Venezuela is 25 cents and no l producing country has gas price any where near a dollar yet were are stuck paying $3.50 + per gallon. ........................ :rant: :rant: :rant:

Nobody notices that you're carrying. In time you won't care if they did notice anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Law of Self Defense" post="1165045" timestamp="1404425327"]Hey folks, I was reviewing recent TN self-defense cases for my Memphis and Nashville seminars next weekend, and I came across an interesting one from just this past May that I thought those of you in the Volunteer State might find interesting. The case is [i]Jarvis v. State[/i], 2014 Tenn. Crim. App. LEXIS 453 (TN Ct. App. 2014), and it is interesting because it involves a facet of self-defense law that TN shares with only a few other states. All of us are, of course, aware of the fact that we’re responsible for every round that comes out of our PDW. TN is one of the few states that formalizes that responsibility in statute, specifically in [font='times new roman']39-11-604, Reckless injury of innocent third person.” That statute provides that:[/font] [font='times new roman']In [i]Jarvis[/i], the defendant was engaged with gunfire by an attacker driving away in a car. The defendant retrieved his own gun from his vehicle, and returned fire. [/font] [font='times new roman']Unfortunately, one of the defendant’s rounds went awry and struck an unlucky fellow by the name of Willard Ross who was working a fireworks sale as the backstop to defendant’s fire. I guess things could have gotten REALLY dramatic, but in any case the fellow who was struck died of his wounds.[/font] [font='times new roman']At trial the defendant was up on a wide variety of charges, and he raised a legal defense of self-defense. Of particular interest here was the murder charge he faced for the death of the poor Mr. Ross.[/font] [font='times new roman']On that particular charge he was found guilty of the murder of Mr. Ross, and sentenced to 25 years. [/font] [font='times new roman']The defendant didn’t fare much better on his other charges, but it’s important to note that this murder conviction was not at all dependent on the others—even had he been fully acquitted of the other charges on the bases of self-defense, his reckless shooting of Mr. Ross would have been denied legal justification under 39-11-604.[/font] [font='times new roman']So, in every state we’re at least theoretically responsible for every round we fire, even in purported self-defense. But TN really puts some teeth in that admonition.[/font] [font='times new roman']I didn’t hyperlink the case here in this post because I’m not sure about the rules for such things on this forum, but anyone who is interested can find a hyperlinked version of this post on my blog, with a link to the full-text of the court decision.[/font] [font='times new roman']Have a safe and happy Fourth of July, everyone, and I look forward to seeing a bunch of you next weekend and Rangemaster, Nashville Armory—or, heck, both! [/font][font=wingdings]J[/font] [font='times new roman']--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense[/font][/quote] Just so everyone is tracking, I recall this shooting. It was a big deal here in Clarksville. Both sides were gangbangers and all involved had a record. They turned a Walmart parking lot into their own personal shooting gallery. The result was a retired teacher being MURDERED. He was murdered because a bunch of drug dealing thugs forgot to keep their business in the ghetto, where they normally shoot at each other. This has nothing to do with self defense. The man who returned fire was illegally in possession of the weapon in the first place and was wildly shooting in a parking lot full of mothers and children at a car that was well out of range. Trying to represent this as an issue for lawful carriers is absolutely ridiculous. I also believe this is a backdoor way to advertise your seminar without having to pay any site fees. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

With Maple Burl Inlays. I'll get better pics when I can...

It's made from 1084 carbon steel 5/32" thick. Total length is just over 11 1/2" with a blade length of about 5 1/2". It's shape makes it a Wharncliffe and has sculpted G10 blue scales with zombie green liners. The scales are fastened with epoxy and corby rivets. The design you see in the blade is deep etched into the steel the the entire blade was etched save the edge. It has the "caveman look" on the spine and at the butt of the knife. There is large but gentle jimping added as well. I had a blast making this knife...lots of time and details went into this thing. It's very sharp and the point on it will stick you. Ask me how I know.

I traded my TGO upper with bolt assist and dust cover to another member for a slick sided upper. I'm building a 6.5 Grendel (ever so slowly) and I liked the idea of not having the bolt assist and whatnot hanging on the side. Just curious if anyone has built one yet and if so, would you mind throwing a pic up of it. Here's mine for those that haven't seen them, [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6FB1C933-6D85-49FC-B6C5-5177A6E43DFD.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7447CBAE-B51B-4276-A7C3-123DD9925586.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s303.photobucket.com/user/lukeduke_03/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AFBA8935-0439-43FD-9645-0CD46991C54F.jpg.html][/URL]

   You're not married are you?  :rofl: I ask this for 2 reasons, 1 is that once married, things don't always go exactly as you would wish nor do they happen within the choice timeline that you would choose if your own wants and desires were the only ones to take into consideration.2 is that, and I know everyone has heard this before, weeks go by incredibly fast once you've hit that milestone. I'm sure others will agree but months go by like weeks, it literally seems like Christmas was just 4-5 weeks back.

If there was a problem from the factory 8 months later, they should still be liable for fixing it, whether it was brand new or used after 8 months they still put out a faulty product.

Well, the carpetbagger was sent on his way.

kniferights.org played a big part in getting knife carry laws updated here. According to their site:   Knife Rights Notable Recent Successes Congress Amends Federal Switchblade Act to Protect Assisted and One-Hand Openers - Read More... Arizona, Utah, New Hampshire, Georgia, Kansas, Alaska & Tennessee Knife Preemption Laws Enacted National Knife Law Preemption Campaign Rolls On New Hampshire, Missouri, Kansas, Alaska, Indiana, Texas & Tennessee Knife Rights Bills Legalize Automatics (Switchblades) and other banned knives Washington Knife Rights Bill Legalizes Assisted-Openers & Allows Manufacture of Automatics - See more at: http://kniferights.o...h.t38su8DZ.dpuf   http://kniferights.org/   I really hope things start changing across the country. I'm pro any legislation that expands individual freedoms, so this was really cool to see happen here.

You are not missing much.  Don't worry about it.

  He did not get a pass. We will not tolerate anyone who comes here to compete with our vendors without becoming a vendor themselves because it is unfair. He had every opportunity to become a vendor but chose not to and still he continued to peddle his wares.   Think about this, he is NOT from Tennessee and therefore he is probably not licensed in Tennessee to practice law so him being here is about one thing, selling his book or filling seats to his seminars. Don't be fooled, he is not here for our benefit but for his own.

[quote name="BrasilNuts" post="1165646" timestamp="1404590835"]Care to elaborate?[/quote] He came here under false pretenses. He claims his goal is only to educate and discuss, yet he marks each post as a representative of a business and has made mention of his book, seminars or both in every thread he's started. When confronted he has ignored the accusation and instead focused on cherry picked statements in order to divert attention. This is transparent to most folks with an eye for bull***t artists. He is one of them. If he had come here to discuss or share his knowledge, he would do so as a member. Instead, he is coming here as a BUSINESS. Big difference. If any gun store, trainer or lawyer came here talking about their products and WAS NOT a vendor, they'd be lit up. I don't believe this guy should get a pass just because he's an experienced, slick tongued con man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I just went through this with an elderly aunt that had signs of dementia. I ask my father if he got the guns out of the house; he said he did. It’s not about rights it’s about responsibility. Of course gun rights pales in comparison to all the other issues families have to deal with in these situations.

I find it a bit unsettling when some dude says, "Show me yours and I'll show you mine."

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1165579" timestamp="1404576387"][url="http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/user/9356-law-of-self-defense/"]http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/user/9356-law-of-self-defense/[/url] It seems to me he's stirring up cr@p and hawking some upcoming seminar. Forgive me if I've misread him.[/quote] You didn't misread him. He was here a couple years ago selling his book. Never been a vendor. A few TGO members even bought his book. Dude is a liar and a con. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

thankfully no one needs to articulate the BoR or much of anything else involved in the USA.   One of the great things about 'merica is you can be dumb as a rock and still have all the rights.

I’ve never understood the whole inhumane thing. War should be brutal. It; should be devastating. Leaders of counties should know that innocent citizens will die, cities will be destroyed, and the leaders will be the first targets. I find it laughable that there are people who think shooting holes though a person with .223 or .308 ball is more humane than killing them instantly with HP’s. We use .50 caliber rifles as sniper rifles. They may be more humane in that you will probably die instantly with one hit; but if you don’t it won’t be very humane. You want peace? Make war be something countries don’t want to participate in and let the leaders know they and everyone around them will die in the first hours of a war.

  yeah good luck on the left trying to sell that one...Simply reading the Federalist papers will refute that one in about 30 seconds or less!

  If you have to use your sidearm in combat, something has gone terribly wrong. 

Have you read the BS that is going around about how all the copies of the Declaration of Independence got the punctuation wrong and the founders were really for big government?

How much firefighting does the Army do with their side arm?   My guess........not much

When I look at the world today I get anxious if I go out and don't have my carry weapon on me. So I don't leave home with out at least one and sometimes 2 depending on where my travels may take me..........jmho.... :up:

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If it was a problem we would have heard about 1911 butt in the last 100 years. Can't say I haven't heard the same for Glocks.

So much good advice and truths here, I hesitate to add anything short of expanding upon the comments about selecting the right gear. Unless you've been around those who carry for a while, you'd never know how important something as simple as a proper belt and correctly fitting clothing really are for EDC. They are the cornerstones of comfortable concealed carry. Once you get that first really good, stiff, thick belt that feeling of anxiety will dwindle quickly.

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I saw this fly across my living room

I saw 3 WWII era planes fly over yesterday. A big one and 2 small one. (Sorry best I can do not sure what they were) so sh!t fittin to get real somewhere.

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Spin up our assets Send them overseas Protect ? Country (control the oil because we need to burn everyone else's first and save ours. The last country on earth with oil will be king) Declare a border crises Allow UN troops to deploy "Humanitarian Missions/protect America" and institute a police state in border states Chaos And more easily done following the mass purge of our top military leaders. (Going on for the last few years)

Hmmm, I have chinooks, kiowas, Blackhawks and apaches flying over everyday for years now. Love it when the crew chief waves to my kid. But seriously, now is a time where readiness is a big deal. The Pentagon is gonna want to be ready for that order we know won't come. Folks who have been in the military should recall the times when things ramped up for a lot of nothing. We ain't going back to fight in Iraq. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Correct!!!!! But he does have the ability to screw a whole bunch of things up and just do a really good job of making a mess out of everything.....................jmho

My Marine called me from Quantico today; said he was assigned a mission, and he wouldn't be coming home like he thought. He couldn't tell me any more.

As long as Iraq has oil we will be involved.

They're going to Mexico to pick up the north bounders to bring them over the border. It's dangerous walking through that hot desert, so we're giving them a lift....and underwear.

  Not a fan of Slurpass at all. I watched Metro evolve on his watch, and not for the better IMO. NOLA is a more fitting place for him. 

  Haa, actually because it's a Raven .25. That was the 2nd handgun I ever owned, cost a wopping $60 in 83, bought it from Freidmans. If they don't jam then there's something wrong with it. Interesting story I remember. Anyone else remember Ellie Nesler? Back in 1990, she snuck a Raven .25 into a court room in California and shot her sons rapist in the head point blank 5 times. I think she got 3 years. What amazed me is that she shot all 5 rounds without the little popper jamming.

Honestly I love seeing all of the little messages at the end of the posts. Things like someone messaged me calling me a turd, or gold has gone up and .22 is the new gold, I should be able to charge more!!! It makes me laugh and gives me hope that these a$$h@le$ well get stuck holding their millions of rounds.

I think it's kinda cool. I can think of a bunch of guns I'd buy before that particular gun, but I'd have one.