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Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

You seem to be taking this thread awefully hard. I'd say this has remained really quite civil. You should seriously check out some of the gay threads if you think this is bad.

Was there at 9. Left at 11. Miserably hot and humid. ' Nuf said.

two wrongs don't make a right.   Just because Illinois is messed up does not mean TN has to be.   Just sayin

I met the old road manager for The Rolling Stones at a bar. The guy told me he had a cock that hung below his knee and wanted to know if I wanted to see it. I was quite reluctant to say yes so I said nothing as he rolled up his pants leg and there was a chicken on a rope tattooed on his leg ...... It was Phil Kaufman and he gave me a signed copy of his book Road Mangler Deluxe , actually a very colorful and delightful person.

I’m sure you tried to tell him like it is. People judge you on your looks.....they get to do that. If you know you won’t ever care then it’s a non-issue. I have a tat on my forearm I got in the military. I called in the early 80’s to see about having it removed. They told me I would have to come in for a consultation. I asked how much that would be and they said $400. I said “$400 for you to tell me how much it will cost to remove it?” They said yes. I still have it.

Yes. I would risk my life and the lives of all those I served with to avenge or rescue even one American held captive or murdered by a rogue regime. You try to measure this by amounts of lives and ignore the intangibles. The murder of Americans by foreign governments and extremists going unanswered only makes us look weak and invites that behavior from other regimes. The bully on the playground doesn't stop when he senses weakness; he is only emboldened by it. Plus, as a matter if honor, an attack on an American simply for being an American is an attack on all of us. You may not see it that way, but know that if it were you being held and awaiting slaughter, I would absolutely risk death to come liberate you. This isn't something measured in lives. If that were so we would look at everything from that perspective. Why go after Japan when they bombed Pearl Harbor? They only killed 3,000 Americans. How many Americans did we lose fighting them in the pacific? Lot more than 3,000. Why send hundreds of police officers to risk their lives for one hostage being held by a bad guy? After all, it's only one person; no need to put so many other lives at risk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Payment sent. Don't have it in front of me, but same number as lg101.

The reason I asked what you meant by "we" is that it seemed very binary in its perspective. There are more than Democrats and Republicans. I personally find the Republican platform as repulsive as that of the Democrats. So, if the Republicans are the "we" then count me out.

Sent this back to CRK a couple of months ago. Came back looking and feeling like a brand new knife. Gotta love CRK. (Yeah Willis and Kong, THAT Sebenza)

  yeah, I just cruised through wiki's site on general anarchism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism   Looks like in practice the general trend is for anarchism to quickly shift into fascism or communism.

Im being sarcastic.( I know its hard to  express sarcasm online, the internets one true achilles heel).  Im extremely bored at work and been laughing at my own jokes for the past half an hour. And I will concur that the civility of the involved parties have not deteriorated. Just trying to see if we can get another shift in thoughts. So we dont stagnate the debate thats going on here. And as far as gathering intel on the  gay threads, no. 

  'Cause diuretics alone can manage some folks' BP, as it reduces overall blood volume.   Makes ya wonder if some could just do daily session with leeches and avoid meds entirely. ;)   - OS

[quote name="mikegideon" post="1186954" timestamp="1410037895"]So, what happens when you shove a bunch of natural born statists into anarchy? I'm thinkin' you're gonna need lots of ammo. Can't fix the human race.[/quote] Nope, I can't. What I can and will continue to do is tell folks "don't hit people and don't take their stuff." The initiation of aggression is wrong and the state is built upon the initiation of aggression. It can't exist without it. So here I stand explaining that the state is wrong and telling folks, "Don't hit people and don't take their stuff."

You can leave comments at news channel 5 .com. IMHO I have 2 words for every idiot that is against conceal carry : Christian- Newsome.

That show may have gotten my money for the lat time today.

[quote name="Hershmeister" post="1186936" timestamp="1410036643"]And the problem of course is without some form of government, you get anarchy which also presents the very problem of your second evil. So the conclusion is evil exists in the world, and man is corruptable - so now what? I will call you utopian in these sense that your ideals are fine, but nowhere to be found in this world.So that said, how exactly so you think man should organize himself to ensure rule of law, the creation and enforcement of law, and various public goods (ie roads, sewers, etc)[/quote] "Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children. In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous." Robert Higgs

  I'm not absolving the Congress for how they voted, I'm just saying in the political realm, they were masterfully backed into a corner by the Bush administration.    My issue is that the Iraq war didn't need to happen.  We could have kept Saddam in check through various means (sanctions, air strikes, even limited ground incursions like the Israeli's do in Gaza and the West Bank) to protect our interests in the region.  He was valuable to us as a regional counter to Iran.  But instead, our actions destabilized the entire country and the only way we could have prevented ISIS from being in Iraq would be to have keep enough troops stationed there for a generation.    I will say, the intel that took us into Iraq was cherry picked by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, ect...to get the desired effect.  I can only imagine the conflicting views that never made it to the President's desk for review.  I also don't subscribe that Bush was either an idiot or some diabolical genius.  He was just pressured into a bad decision by those he trusted presenting him only their side of the story.  I do think his "Freedom Agenda" was horribly misguided for that region.  The middle east at large is most certainly not ready for democracy.   I concur that President Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster; "if wishes were horses" comes to mind.  So, while I agree that ISIS should be on the target deck, I also think it's fair to say our actions 11 years ago are directly related to the reason they are a factor today.  But yes, they need to be dealt with.  I would just want Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, ect...put their skin on the line as well, rather than the US and the UK doing it all like we all know is going to happen.

No matter who is right in this debate, when the extreme muzzies show up, I'm using lots of this...   http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/

Those intangibles of human nature are the greatest argument for the anarchist model. If people are evil and can't be trusted to govern themselves, they must be kept in check by a government composed of...other people? A single man can do a little evil on his own. To do a great evil takes many men working in concert and wearing the mantle of legitimacy because they claim title of being a government. You can call me a utopian if you want, that's fine. Understand that I am a utopian only in that I suggest that instead of swimming around in the cesspool to find the spot with the least amount of floating feces, maybe it would be preferable to get out of it entirely. Whether or not I believe that it is possible to truly attain what I seek, is that any reason to quit seeking it if I truly believe it is the right thing? Should I quit trying to conform myself to the model of Christ simply because I know for a fact that it is impossible for me to attain? Especially since I am particularly terrible at it? I don't think so. I try, fail and try again. I don't say, "this is the best I can do so I may as well quit trying." If I really believed that the US is or was as good as man could be, I'd probably eat a bullet because the depressing hopelessness of that thought would leave no alternative.

Basically, this is my view. If there isn't an attack on US soil, we need to keep our asses home. Embassies are fine as conduits for trade, but we need to shutter our military bases worldwide. Why the hell are we still underwriting the defense of half of Europe almost 70 years after the end of WWII? I am not an isolationist, but I am absolutely a non-interventionist. As far as the reporters beheaded by ISIS, the world is a dangerous place. When you go traipsing into war zones, shit happens.

The Gen 4 was primarily designed around the .40 cal . The double recoil spring lasts longer than the single coil spring and gives better lock up. The issues with the gen 3 .40 were the pounding that the .40 cal operating pressure puts on the guns, the possible (not likely but POSSIBLE) "catastrophic disassembly" from it firing while slightly out of battery from weak (read that as should have been replaced long ago) recoil spring and the metal bodied weapon mounted lights causing malfunctions. The Gen 4 largely solves all of those problems......the problem is that they took the same internals and put them in the 9mm.... one size does not fit all. It worked OK with hot 9mm ammo like +P duty ammo but not for some of the  generic US produced  FMJ ammo.    So you had a gun "sprung" for 40 that folks were trying to shoot "softball" 9mm in. You run "weak" 9mm like Remington UMC ball ammo and you have malfunctions. So glock first tried to fix it with a different recoil spring for 9mm....a good start but that did not always solve the problem. Then they figured out that it really needed the ejector to be redesigned for the 9mm AND change the recoil spring. The current production 9mm all have the new ejector and new spring. If you have a Gen 4 with the older spring and ejector you can get Glock to send them free to an armorer for installation. They will send anyone a recoil spring but  I don't think they will send the "ejector with trigger housing" to individuals. They want a certified Glock armorer to put that in for you.    Just a bit of trivia....GLock did the same thing in reverse in 1990...when they introduced the 22 and 23 they essentially just put a .40 cal barrel in a 17 and a 19. So they had a .40 sprung for 9mm....  The Gen 2 and Gen 3 .40 cal guns (there is no gen 1 .40) have always been "sprung" for 9mm...hence the accelerated wear on .40 cal vs 9mm and why the .357 Sig chambered glocks are even worse for accelerated wear.    I have both an early model Gen 4 17 that would have random malfunctions involving ejection until I replaced the spring and ejector. I have a Gen 4 34 that is a year old that has been fine. SO it really is a matter of whether it has the newer ejector and recoil spring. The gen 4 .40 never had any of those issues as the gun was designed FOR that caliber. 

    People tell me all the time I've just got to get on Facebook so I can catch up with friends I've not talked to in years.   I keep telling them if I haven't talked to them in years there is probably a pretty good reason.   

  Once upon a time there lived a beautiful Queen with queenly large breasts. Nick the Dragon Slayer was obsessed over the Queen for this reason. He knew that the penalty for his desire would be death should he try to touch them, but he had to try. One day Nick revealed his secret desire to his colleague, Horatio the Physician, the King's chief doctor. Horatio thought about this and said that he could arrange for Nick to more than satisfy his desire, but it would cost him 1000 gold coins to arrange it. Without pause, Nick readily agreed to the scheme. The next day, Horatio made a batch of itching powder and poured a little bit into the Queen's bra while she bathed. Soon after she dressed, the itching commenced and grew intense.   Upon being summoned to the Royal Chambers to address this incident, Horatio informed the King and Queen that only a special saliva, if applied for four hours, would cure this type of itch, and that tests had shown that, among all of the citizens of the kingdom, only the saliva of Nick would work as the antidote to cure the itch. The King, eager to help his Queen, quickly summoned Nick. Horatio slipped Nick the antidote for the itching powder, which he put into his mouth, and for the next four hours, Nick worked passionately on the Queen's large and magnificent breasts. The Queen's itching was eventually relieved, and Nick left satisfied and was hailed by both the King and Queen as a hero. Upon returning to his chamber, Nick found Horatio demanding his payment of 1000 gold coins. With his obsession now satisfied, Nick couldn't have cared less knowing that Horatio could never report this matter to the King and with a laugh told him to get lost. The next day, Horatio slipped a massive dose of the same itching powder into the King's underwear. The King immediately summoned Nick.           The moral of this story is:  PAY  YOUR  @#$%!$&  BILLS AND KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!!!!  

He kind of sounds like a person that might snap, hearing how bitter he is over getting caught driving drunk. He couldn't pass field sobriety test, got the charge lowered to reckless driving, and he's still bitter enough to want the LEO fired and is protesting it with a gun? They might want to keep an eye on this one.

  He'll be shirtless no doubt.   - OS

We need to kill them NOW. We also need to attack any country that supports them. They are gaining hundreds, if not thousands, of new members weekly and will continue now that they have declared a caliphate. At some point the entire middle east will be one Islamic state and then we will have some serious problems stopping them. They are only going to gain popularity because of their views on women, the west and Israel. If we do not do anything then Israel will be squashed like a bug on a windshield once ISIS gets strong enough because our president will not come to Israel's aid.   Imagine what will happen if that Islamic state controls all the oil in the region? We will be brought to our knees in a matter of days fi they cut it off. All of our high tech war fighting machines are useless without fuel. Goods, such as food, will no longer be able to be shipped to communities which will lead to widespread panic and looting. Citizens will be unable to afford gas to get to work and we will be a third world country within a month of loosing our oil supply. We do not have the oil reserves to prevent a major catastrophe if ISIS turns the faucet off.   Right now any American caught supporting them should be stuck in some internment camp until the "War on Terror" is over. If that requires them to die in the camp then so be it, at least they will not be fighting, or supporting those who are fighting, the US. By support I mean financially, logistically as well as just vocally. If a person says anything vocally or posts on social media that they support ISIS then the person who posted it should be detained and tried for treason for supporting our enemy and then stuck in the internment camps with their counterparts.   Trust me when I say ISIS is more of a threat to the United States, our allies and all "western" style democracies than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. It is because ISIS is more easily accepted by the average Muslim than Al Qaeda or the Taliban ever was. Look at what happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban, they took over the country because it gave all the power to the males just like ISIS is doing. There are also governments in the region that are supporting, because they agree with the philosophy, ISIS in a major way.

Tennessee (and apparently 21 other states) recognizes an Illinois carry permit. This is because Illinois recognizes none. I have an HCP and so they want me to pay $300 to carry (residents pay $150). But I’m not sure I could even get one because our state requirements are not “substantially similar”. I would respectfully request my state legislators to not recognize Illinois permits and do the same thing to them they will do to us if we carry in Illinois; put us in jail. This has been a public service announcement. http://politics.suntimes.com/article/springfield/22-states-honor-illinois-concealed-carry-permit/mon-08182014-818am

Ted S., Thank you for a well thought out response. I am thankful that you and I live in a nation where your dissent may be voiced.

  The HCTZ part is a diuretic. It's supposed to make you pee.

  A free market will always develop solutions to real problems and demands. If people honestly demand all of those things, someone will profit by making them available for use.

Cowboy sex, Working from rear, grab a hand full of hair and say, "your sister is better", try to ride for 8 sec.

   $499!    :dropjaw:   I knew I went to bed too early last night......

You ain't never gonna get that washed off.

[quote name="mikegideon" post="1186959" timestamp="1410039781"]Hard to argue with that. It won't ever be that way. And, you know all the reasons why. Best we can hope for is to temper it. And if they're taking YOUR stuff, sizzle their nuts on the hot pavement :)[/quote] The Feds tend to get upset when you start threatening to sizzle legislators' nuts on the hot pavement. They take more of my stuff than anyone. :D

Saw this on the Channel 4 website.  This is pretty darn funny.  I would be afraid of someone shooting my dog here, but still funny.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoB8t0B4jx4

IMHO doing that just punishes those that are like us, 2A supporters. Those that make policy do not care that their citizens are not allowed to carry here or anywhere; The only reason they allow cc is because SCOTUS made them. I say make it as easy as possible for 2A supporters here and show the rest of the states how its done.

I think it's important to remember that Illinois is just starting out in the world of concealed carry.  It will take time for them to come around to what we consider proper with states recognizing each others permitting authority.  Take the win for what it is, no state in our union is without a mechanism for their citizens to arm themselves.  Some may have absurd standards to qualify, but look at the history of where we were on this a generation or two ago.  The trend line is unmistakeable.   I agree with Mike, recognizing there permit instead of being spiteful is the proper play here, not to mention the right thing to do.

If you go to castboolits and to the coating and alternatives  thread there are about 600 threads with replies, that cover all the different ways to shake and bake your lead bullets. A lot of interesting reading.

...just make TN a Constitutional-carry state....show them all we're number one! :koolaid:

Powder Coat. Do a search for Dolomites thread. 1) Yes 2) Very well, the main reason we started PCing our bullets was to be able to shoot lead bullets out of stock Glock barrels. 3) We've shot at least 5000 rounds through a 26, 19, 17, and 34 with all stock barrels with no build up. 4) I cast the bullets. I use a Lee .38 spc mold (I forget exactly which one it is, .358/124 I think) the bullets drop at .359, after PC they're around .362 and we size them down to .358. If you buy bullets make sure you remove the lube.

Both of those states also have an income tax. I'd rather pay a sales tax. No way I could buy enough stuff to make up for an income tax.

+1,000   It was a matter of revenge or securing resources because there have been other countries that have done far worse and we have not gotten involved. As awful as Saddam was he did keep his country, and the region, stable. When we entered Iraq we pretty much had every other Muslim nation in the region declare us as the enemy for killing fellow Muslims.   We will be mired down in the middle east for at least a generation now because those Muslims being born today are going to be taught that the US is the enemy and must be defeated. The only way for us to get out is to defeat, and kill, every Muslim on the planet but that is not going to happen so our "War on Terror" is going to be perpetual from now on. We will never again live in peace as a nation and the government will use every threat as a means to take away a few more freedoms until we are living like those Iraqis we were trying to free from an oppressive regime. The Muslims are not going to give up until they have defeated us. They will not tire of war, they will not quit and they will continue to fight because they are fighting for their God.   Personally Iraq should have been treated exactly how we are treating North Korea now. That is because their capabilities are similar. Neither could actually attack the US and neither are not stupid enough to try.

Ok ,  have been shopping at Krogers for about 25 years and I have yet to see anyone walking around with an AR or AK or SKS wrapped around their neck. Now yesterday I was in Krogers picking up a few items and I did see a young mother with two children that looked to e in the 4 to 6 age group and she was printing what appeared to be a Glock. It was not an obvious print that 95% of people would not be able to pick out but gun people see things that most people do not. So there is a Mom that plans on protecting her children and I would damn sure not want to get on her wrong side........................jmho  

  Because Bush and Cheney pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, and if they couldn't do that they strong-armed them; and the kicker was they did both to Colin Powell, whose UN testimony tipped the balance on The Hill. His whole report was a shameful exercise in hurriedly-compiled and revised half truths at best and outright lies at worst. He at the least strongly suspected it was bogus at the time, knew it was afterwards, and has recanted it since;  and is the reason his political career ended.    - OS

He agreed to a plea bargain. What’s a drunk pilot have to do with guns? Maybe he should have paid attention in the part of the class that dealt with DUI offenses. Many careers are ended over drunk driving. Think about that before you drink and drive. I looked to see if a DUI kept you getting a commercial pilots license; only took a minute to find this.  

I'm glad this thread wuz resurected.... Reminds me of somethin the son and i laughed about the other day while drivin thru the new hamlet of "Rocky Top" (...formerly Lake City, and before then Coal Creek, TN --- the "lake city" name change didnt work either...)... We espied the "Now or Never Tatoo And Piercings on the main street of "Rocky Top"... I think the name says it all....   Website with directions here:   http://nowornevertattooandpiercings.blogspot.com/ Directions:  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Now+or+Never+Tattoo's+%26+Piercings/@36.220219,-84.15642,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xd32cff4460fb9104   Enjoy... leroy

One of mine.