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So the wife and I went to Cool Springs mall to do some Christmas shopping (actually she did and just took me along), I was planted our in the foyer when some wannabe thugs/punks were walking around the top throwing change at people down below (terrible aim too, they missed everyone). I spotted one before he disappeared into the crowd, and performed handicapped ninja moves to get up the escalator and track them down.   They had went over to another section above the Apple store, getting ready to start throwing things again so I put on my old crazy guy face, pulled out a dollar bill and sat next to them on the bench rubbing against them (mind you there was plenty of empty space and other places to sit, I just wanted to make them uncomfortable). Looked at one of them and asked if they had change for a dollar, scooted a little closer and asked louder. One of them got puffy and another guy said no, and I said "that's a shame, cause I can't afford to throw dollars over the balcony, I prefer to use nickels instead"    All three of them took off & me being the ass that I am, I spent another 10 minutes following them staring, and making sure they seen me. They went over to the food court and I disappeared for a few minutes, went around the back way, snuck up behind them and sat down at the table and asked "You got change for a dollar?"  It creeped them out so bad they left their drinks on the table and bolted for the door   Should've probably just called security on them, but it wouldn't have been as fun  :rofl:

  It seems to me that these deranged mass murderers usually search for a "soft target". You don't hear of this happening at an NWTF banquet, gun show, police department, etc. The last so many have happened at places labeled "Gun Free Zones". Stick a gunbuster sign in your front yard and see how it works out for ya.   This, however, isn't the root of the problem. I see the direct correlation between this country turning it's back on God, and the degredation of our society.

You're pretty smart for a meat eater :). We can blame the gun, morals, lack of accessible mental health care, etc. Fact is, if somebody would have capped his ass, the killing would have stopped immediately. We need to protect our kids like we protect our money. It's a nasty world.

So are we blaming video games now? Why not guns too? Can't we just stick to blaming the POS for committing an awful, incomprehensible act?

I only saw a bit on the news of obama.  He appeared genuine to me.  I don't know how a parent could speak about it and not be somewhat emotional.  I know I could not wait to get home last night and hug my grandkids a little bit.  One a five year old in kindergarten.  I am pretty sure my eyes watered even if I did not have to wipe the tears away.   He is damned no matter what on this.  If talks about it he is making politcal hay, if he had ignored it he would be criticized for that.   A push for gun control is coming, this event does not effect that.  It was going to happen anyway.

Like him or not, our president is the father of two children, and a human being. I expect he was shaken by this senseless tragedy just as all of us were. I'm a fairly cold, heartless SOB, and it hits me hard. I also imagine, that as the leader of the country, he feels the need to do something. I don't know exactly what that will be, but I ain't looking forward to it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=348_1355575996         That was about the last thing I thought was going to happen  :rofl:

No OB doc in his right mind would give you permission in writing.  If the baby is not 'perfect' any lawyer would have a cake walk taking him to the cleaners.  While no range is going to tell you there are problems, all have some airborne lead.  I would not risk my unborn child's hearing or health.  If something showed up later on, you would certainly have some 'what ifs".

Mass killings have been going on since man strapped a rock to a stick. Charles Whitman lead a pretty sheltered childhood, in a time before violent shows and video games. He was raised in a strict Roman Catholic house if I remember correctly. There was no shortage of structure, discipline or God. He still managed to kill nearly as many people in a mass shooting, and would have likely killed many more if he was able. This idea that this behavior is new is silly. This has gone on since the dawn of time. The difference is there more people now and 24/7 news. The sky isn't falling. This is, sadly, business as usual.

These stories are always nice to hear, especially this time of year.

Don't worry Dolomite, Ill stay on top of the other postions we discussed. Cz ive had on and offs a year, but this was the longest, and the shop I was working in went belly up back in Oct. I spent everyday filling out applacations, dropping off resumes, and doing anything from splitting wood to working on cars off craigslist to make ends meet. The jobs are there, and I refuse to get on welfare and goverment cheese when I'm a young able bodied man capable of work. Its just not how I was raised.

Ya'll need to lighten up on the conspiracy theory shit.  Simple fact is this country is full of retards prone to violence.

Tin foil me silver but I would not be surprised to discover that things were.......orchestrated.

When the facts come out let me know.  I'm tired of playing the what happened when game get again.   There is so much bullshit flooding the newswaves right now I don't think anyone has a clear picture of what happend and how.

  He should have never said the words "Second Amendment."   Taking guns from the "wrong people" is fine, but so emphatically calling the Second Amendment by name is an attack on it.  The key word of your post was "yet." 

  I recall another term for it growing up in Midtown that would shock most folks these days, even here.   :lol:

He probably saved a lot of lives with his actions. What is it with these pieces DooDoo taking their own lives? Are they that Chicken S***? Real men....   Dave S

This is the best analysis I've read on the situation so far, made by Morgan Freeman of all people:         CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next. You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."    

new barrel = good groups: :pleased: (1.74 inches, 5 shots @ 25 yards)

I despise the man but I felt he was being sincere during the press conference.      And I fully expect him to push for some form of gun control.

Online petitions are worthless. 

I believe that the root of the problem is that we have failed to teach our children that human life is sacred and we are now reaping what we have sown.

Hey big man lemme hold a dollar!

Personally, I think it's a combination of a lot of things and I think they all have a common root. We have devalued personal responsibility: physically, emotionally, spiritually, and morally and this is what we get. The idea that humanity has evolved past it's base humanist, arrogant, and selfish nature is foolish. Technology has changed how we mask and/or display that nature, but human nature has not nor will it change. That is what we need to address not the tools employed.   That being said I'm more than a little bothered that the first vocalized emotions to much of this is political and/or societal hedging. Gun control, pharmaceuticals, government, education, etc. have a time and place to be discussed.  I don't think this is the time.

I watched it ........ the whole thing. I'm not trying to downplay the situation by any means but not only the way he wiped the "tears" seemed odd, I told my wife during the live broadcast that it seemed very strange that he was reading every single word (word for word) from notes and was constantly staring at the paperwork. I know he normally uses a telle-prompter - but this was different. It would seem that if you were truly speaking to the nation and it was coming from the heart, which this situation should surely deserve, you would do just that - face the camera and speak from inside your soul - not read a pre-written series of lines. I also thought it seemed that he was reading something that someone else had written because of the way that he stumbled with each line of the message. Hmmmm ......... truly a "heart felt" moment there Mr. President. I'm sorry, but the families of the victims and the people of this country deserve better - much, much better! This was not the place nor time for swinging into your gun ban agenda. I am truly sickened and saddened by this event - but at the same time, this President continues to infuriate me!

I'm not posting this to politicize anything about it, it is far too soon for that. I saw Obama's televised reaction and it just seemed to me that his physical reactions were being faked. I'm curious, did anybody else get that feeling, or am I just seeing things?

If you're going to do one, you need to collect them all. Don't forget the 338 Spectre.

You are preaching to the choir my friend.

Just because it was done in the past, does not make it right today. This is another step closer to Authoritarian rule.  Both sides are to blame for this as well.  Don't just point the finger at Obama and his administration.  W started a lot of this crap.  The current administration is just carrying on what he started.

  Besides, financial meltdown (especially hyperinflation) is a quicker way for it foment, and much more likely than from "patriots".   If other factors haven't intervened first, the day OPEC demands payment in something other than USD will likely be the kickoff.   Myself, I'm thinking about picking some more Hi-Points for hyper-hyper-inflated pricing to suddenly former progressives. :)   - OS

    I'll not argue with that!!!!!! :up:

But this is the basis: When a person is assaulted, by the [use of force] [attempted use of force], in such a way as to create in his or her mind a reasonable belief that he or she is in imminent and actual danger of [death] [serious bodily injury], he or she will be justified in [threatening] [using] force to defend himself or herself even to the extent of killing another human being.  The [threat] [use] of force can only be to the degree reasonably believed to be immediately necessary to protect against the other's [use] [attempted use] of unlawful force.  The danger creating the belief of imminent [death] [serious bodily injury] must be real, or honestly believed to be real at the time, and must be founded upon reasonable grounds.1

Absolutely amazing!  My wife is in to photography.  Got her PS CS6 for Christmas!  She's been using Lightroom only for the past year!    I think landscape photo's blown up & put on canvas are just amazing!  I'd love a house full of them! :)

OK, since yesterday it has been reported that the mother wasn't a teacher at the school and wasn't at the school, She was at home and was shot there. She was also a sportswoman who collected guns and enjoyed target shooting with her sons (oh my god what has our world come to!  :drama: ).   The father wasn't killed, this also was reported earlier and his older son Ryan was at work and hasn't been in touch with his brother since 2010.   Also reports of Adam being into the "goth" scene and was devoid of all reality due to playing video games.  :waiting:   As usual our MSM feeds us "assumptions" and opinions rather than fact, so what can we expect next? Meanwhile the left-wing moonbats politicize this tragedy and THE only fix for such behavior is more gun control.   I'm going to wait this one out and keeping the victims in my thoughts. Conservatives and all they stand for will be demonized regardless. We can also look for some type of gun control bill named after Sandy Hook School.  :-\

I somewhat agree with this. Then, you have to wonder why people have turned their backs on God. I say it's because the people who claim to be followers of Christ are really bad examples of his teachings. If everyone who claims to be Christian behaves like heartless buttholes, one may ask, why bother? I understand that your relationship with Jesus is an individual relationship and that it's your choice to accept Christ. I base the opinion above on conversations and observations. Jesus freak on Sunday. Judge, jury and executioner Monday thru Saturday.

In relation to this story, an ex NYPD officer/detective was on Fox News this morning saying the same thing!  I figured, logic from the NYPD would certainly not be pro gun!   He was stating teachers need to be armed & trained in all of our schools and we need to do away with gun free zones entirely!   I couldn't agree more!

simple preaching to the choir.   Those who are anti gun aren't going to read it and even of they did read it their contentions would not be swayed.

What Mas said...   http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/15/against-monsters/

  There used to be an idiot that would drive through our neighborhood late (I mean 2-3 am) and would throw garbage, rev his engine, and do burnouts at the end of everyone's driveway that lived on the street. Well, a few handfuls of "caltrops" at the end of my driveway put a quick stop to his mid-night burnouts. I guess he got tired of replacing tires & got the point!

I preface this by saying this is a horrible, horrible tragedy, and it saddens my heart children were massacred.   Currently watching the news I finally got the reaction I was expecting from the liberal media. Obummers address didn't specifically address a feel good reaction but, the liberal press is all over it like flies on feces. Expect substantial gun control legislation introduced to address this massacre of innocents.    Let's look at this from a logical perspective using knowledge and wisdom, and not a knee jerk reaction such as the Patriot Act. What separates us from the animal kingdom is the ability to thing and reason, and not react unreasonably, I think?   Most of the U.S population is on some type of drug sooner than later, be it illegal, legal as in prescribed medication for an assortment of ills, or just plain aspirin. Can't get it up, take a pill... Have an ache or pain, take another pill.. Having a problem with this or that, take more pills prescribed by the doctor or not, addressing the symptoms and blocking the pain. (Not saying that's bad).   My point being, doctors prescribe medicine (drugs) to mask the symptoms and not address the root cause. Until constructive surgery and / or physical and / or mental repair, it's drugs, drugs, drugs. Masking the root problem and not addressing the cause.   The "root" cause of the horrific acts is not what weapon he / she chose to commit the atrocities but, the individual him or her self. The media is "screaming" what can be done to prevent future acts such like this one and the previous massacres. Gun control of course!   I propose it's a product of liberalism, government and a secular society these days, not the weapon used to inflict such carnage. Our children are exposed to violence in the form of video games, TV, music, the Internet, gang-bangers, violence, smut, one parent families, welfare, sharia law, etc. and society as never before. Whom would disagree with that?   I'm preaching to the choir to many of you folks but, when our people elect government officials, by the will of the people, legislate evil as good and good as evil (I'll not mention them), we're in dire straights guys.   This question begs to be asked of y'all at the risk of seeming insensitive but...   Had that been your child needlessly slaughtered by a 24 year old madman, would you blame the weapon he / she used, or the individual?   My basic point is, it's not what was used to commit a heinous crime but, the persons heart and exposure to all the violence our government has legislated as acceptable from liberals hell bend on destroying this nation and what we formally stood for.   Just my opinion on what I've seen in the last six decades guys. Correct me if you see we're evolving into Nirvana?

Amen.

  Also amazing how many become incredibly shrewd investors once they've been umm "approved" by their party there. And of course that pales to how much more they somehow quickly learn about the art if they make it to DC.   - OS

Really? Read up on this thread http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/55948-amazing-mother-and-two-daughters-in-desperate-need/.

[quote name="AU_88" post="860333" time="1355526730"]It's ding dong ditching... My brother did it while in high school, but never after 10ish.  It's the equivalent to making prank phone calls for the older generation and I would say harmless.  Are all teenagers like my brother and perfectly harmless, no, but be creative and play a fun little prank and have a good laugh.[/quote] Somebody'd be ditching their own ding dong if I caught them doing this. You know how hard it is to get a toddler to sleep?

I am always amazed that we guard our banks, our federal buildings, our airports...but we leave our most helpless with no protection at all.  Prayers for the families.

Just pick up a rock and throw it in any direction you choose and you'll probably hit at least one contributing reason for them.   Basically, people are naturally flawed and sinful and some are downright evil; most people manage to live decent, peaceful lives even with their flaws...some don't.

1gewehr, on 14 Dec 2012 - 07:55, said: I agree more often with Susan Lynn and the deciding factor in my vote would be based on character.   Well, her daughter married my son. If you want a true character assessment, pm me.

Leave the porch lights off and a few of these sitting around But really, game camera in an inconspicuous place. Or hide outside, and when they kick yell freeze, and get their names and parents names.

It sounds crazy, but I really like the orange/green color scheme on the ESEE knives.

I expect we will be standing in line. Glenn