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There will never be a time to relax.   “Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves.” D. H. Lawrence (1885-1938)     What we are dealing with now is the result of the complacency of the past few generations.  Believe it.

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There is a split, for certain.  But it's not North v South.  The split is between those who actually provide for their own food, shelter, healthcare, etc, and those who take those things from government.  If you are dependent on government assistance, then you are on the side of Obama and the Democrats.  Protest all you like that you are not supporting them, but if you vote for ANY kind of entitlements, then you are their creature.   That is mostly what the whole Tea Party movement is about.  Unfortunately, we are already at the point where too many people will vote to continue to get entitlements.  That's why Obama won.

The best economic stimulus plan they've had yet ...

My sister is a teacher locally and decided to bring up at lunch yesterday while my wife and I were out to lunch with a group of them that I supported a teacher's right to carry if they were so inclined . I was immediately confronted by one of the other teachers at the table stating that she wouldn't trust several of her coworkers with a firearm b/c they are borderline incompetent. I asked if she would mind putting those teachers names on a piece of paper for me so I could take that up with the principal of the school. She said "take WHAT up with the principal?" and before I could get a word out my wife interjected that if they were in fact  "borderline incompetent" we didn't want them teaching our children OR carrying firearms in the school.   While my wife rarely approves of my stance on firearms b/c she was raised to fear them, on the way home she said that she is much more scared of the idiots that have some how gotten into positions of power than she is of me or any of our friends who carry firearms. 

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You are now paying more taxes.  :clap:  I was just checking my bank account and noticed my employer deposited my check yesterday.  I noticed that it was less than my previous checks, and here I thought the middle class wasn't supposed to effected  ;)  .   Seriously, I knew it was coming since they didn't extend the reduced payroll tax.  While the tax increase really doesn't hurt me, it is the principle that matters.  It seems to me that if the government wants to force me to live on less money that perhaps they should do the same.  If I have to cut, then they should have to cut.   Ya know, last year was the first year I didn't vote straight line Republican.  I voted pretty much all independent as sort of a protest vote. What Republicans have shown me recently is that I was right in doing so.  If Republicans cave on gun control, immigration, global warming, or any other nonsense then I will be totally finished with the Republican party.  If the country is going to crash, fiscally speaking, then I want no part of voting in the very a$$holes who are causing it.

The people in charge are psychotic, narcissistic douche bags but they are NOT stupid.     What we NEED is a leader to rally behind.  Black folks had/have them.  They cater to their interests and stand as a beacon to the masses.  We need a second amendment MLK jr.  IF we had a rally point/person we could then get truly organized.  IF we could truly get organized the feds would back down.....FAST.  There'd be no need for revolution.  The Cold War gave us M.A.D.  Mutually Assured Destruction.  It worked quite well.  IF we could get organized on a national level we would have a standing ARMED militia that would out number everything the feds have by an order of magnitude!  This wouldn't just settle everything overnight, it would also boost the sales of undergarments.  Every politician and liberal would collectively defecate in their panties.  They'd have no alternative other than to STFU.     It needs to be done!  I am no leader but I'm more than happy to follow.             ....shut up Caster.  You're talking stupid fantasy fiction again.  No one wants to hear that crap.

I can see them introducing a bill and it getting shot down. Then the back room deals begin and it will get attached to some other bill. And I suspect it will be one of those "you must pass it to see what is in it" deals like Pelosi said.   Or they will do a voice vote. We must always make sure it is a roll call or by name vote otherwise it could happen like the hughed amendment. In a voice vote the leader determines who won, the ayes or the nos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_vote   The Hughes amendment, that banned the sale of new machine guns to civillians, was passed in voice vote. And by all accounts it did not pass but Charlie Rangel called it as passed. This is the same Charlie Rangel who has been investigated for all kinds of ethics violations as well as illegal ativity.   The liberals have no problem breaking laws or rules to get what they want. This is why we have another 4 years.   Dolomite

Hate to break it to you, but there will never be relief.  Vigilance will always remain, steady and alert. We are the ramparts of freedom.

From what I've read, most of them suicide at the first sign of armed resistance.  The available data suggest you don't need a swat team.

I don't see a need for any training beyond marksmanship.  I'm guessing here, but I'd say a majority of HCP holders are more interested in marksmanship than the average police officer.  If you want to make the marksmanship test harder than the current HCP or police quals, fine by me.   This isn't a job, or an extra duty.  This is simply allowing those who want to lawfully carry.  They need to identify a threat (He has a gun/knife/hammer and is threatening me/a student/a teacher) and do what it takes to negate the threat.  Anybody who can't figure out this decision matrix shouldn't be allowed to teach children.  Heck, they shouldn't be allowed to drive.   This decision matrix is no more complicated than the one any HCP holder has to use, so why bugger it up?  Keep it simple.  For situations that are not an immediate threat, call the police.  Don't try to turn teachers into cops; they don't need to be a police officer to recognize and react to a clear and present danger.

North vs South isn't at play today. In my opinion, there are a few problems. Some you will agree with, and some all of you won't agree with.   1) There have become enough moochers in our society so that they are able to vote themselves free stuff and charge it to the producers.   2) Very few people today give a damn about anything beyond their own immediate wants and needs.   3) With the advent of computers and computerized devices/cell phones, we, as a society, have lost the art of person to person conversation.   4) Here's the one that'll stir up a stink: We as a country have largely turned our backs on God. We can't expect his continued blessings if we don't attempt to serve him.   There are other problems of course, but I feel these four things are the reason for our impending downfall as a nation.

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Yes, police get years of training - in the law, and how it is applied.  Marksmanship, etc. - not so much.  A shooting enthusiast is liable to outshoot a police officer.   Let those who want, carry.  A school resource officer (like the one in Colorado) is likely to be elsewhere, or eating lunch, or just a check collector who isn't gonna risk his life.  The teacher is the one already there, and when put in a position of shoot or die, there isn't any question of what laws the nutcase is breaking, or what constitutes an illegal search, or if his miranda rights have been observed.  Shoot until there is no threat, and settle questions afterwards.

It is again time to make sure that EVERY legislator who represents you knows exactly what your position is.  Don't just send off an email to a congresscritter and sit back thinking you've done your part.  you need to send one to your State Congressman, State senator, Federal Congresscritter and also to both Corker and Alexander.  Be polite, firm, and keep it short.  Nobody will read more than a paragraph.   Once you have done that, CALL the office of every one of those people as well.  Again, be polite, and know what you want to say before you call.  Keep it short as the staffers will hopefully be swamped and you want them to hear all of the other folks as well.   Finally, if you can do it, make an appointment to see each of the above folks.  If you can't get an appointment, visit their local office and let a staffer know what you want.  Again, be polite, don't argue, and try to clean up a bit.  If you can get some of your friends to join you for the visit, that will make a much greater impact.  Again, do not allow tempers to get heated and start an argument.  If a staffer or congresscritter disagrees with you, thank them for that information and inform them that you will be sure to pass that opinion around so that voters will know who to vote against next time.  Then leave.  And spread the word about that person.   A personal visit is worth a hundred phone calls.  A phone call is worth a hundred emails.  But even an email is worth something!  Biden has promised to get a bill through Congress and on Obama's desk by the end of the month. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/white-house-nra-gun-victory.php   Make sure they know that we will not accept ANY new restrictions on our freedom.   If we get to the point where we need to bury our guns, then we may as well turn them in.  We need to stand firm and make sure that EVERY legislator knows that if they pass gun control, they will lose their jobs. 

gun control has never been the answer.  when you breed large groups of peoples that get everything free their whole life and don't have to answer to bad things they do,, you have mass problems.  then you get the ruleing class that wants to control guns to give a false security of trying to fix the inner city problem. 

Obama is always trying to “work around” someone. Congress, the Constitution, now the NRA, next it will be “The People”.   You almost had to laugh anytime Biden was involved with anything; I wonder how the guy even finds his way to work in the morning. Well I’m not laughing now. These two guys are getting to ready to try to take down our country. Biden by trying to take our guns and Obama by giving illegals citizenship and the right to vote.   This truly is a sad time. Congress and the Courts is all we have to rely on now. And I have little faith in Congress. The Supreme Court of the United States may be the only thing that can save this country.

Whoa! Glad that was all there was to it. Hope the guy is okay. ......even happier to hear there's no troubles with our new friends at the Armory.

My usual reply I keep on standby; If I wanted to hear from an Ahole, I'll fart.

Funny how the same folks that want to call gun owners/carriers "baby killers" are the same people who will openly support abortion (in most cases) The left want gun control to help "save the lives of innocent children" but will do nothing to help the unborn. It makes me sick.

My personal opinion says spineless coward BUT I will say, his compassion has merit in the politics of the 2A. It proves carry permit holders are not soulless murders. Not sure many could have that kind of restraint.

Good read.  I agree with him.       Yep, but it is a hell of a lot of fun.   Mike

I pass through fairly often, Asheville is the Southeast hub for the tree hugging, granola eating, hippie, liberal crowd.

We have decided to Home School.  The schools in Haywood County are horrible anyway, and the lack of security only adds to the problem.  Our daughter is 5, so it will not get real complicated for about 8 years.  That gives us some time to figure out what to do till then.

    At least Dave is consistent.  I find myself consistently disagreeing with him.         Not sure why we are disagreeing over something that has been proven to work.  Start googling, see how many school shooters have been stopped by ordinary people - principles, teachers, other (college) students.  Compare results to incidents where no one was allowed to carry, except for possibly 'resource officers'.  Do the math.      The answer is staring everyone right in the face, and only the willfully blind will not see.  "Gun-Free Zones" are killing fields.  It doesn't take a specialist, it doesn't require law enforcement, you don't have to be a world-class IPSC competitor.  It requires two things - the right tool and a will to live.     Keep in mind that every requirement or restriction beyond those two basics is a sop to someones' fear, and an impediment to survival.

NEW RULE: If you're a Liberal, you don't get to call anybody a baby killer... EVER.

A disarmed Tennessee school teacher...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQygPC-4_kI

I agree 100%. Our founding Fathers never intended “Separation of Church and State” to mean what it has become today. This country was built on Christian values. Fewer Americans today have any type of religion and when you don’t have religion you can justify anything; up to an including turning your back on your family and your country.

And/or give them reserve officer status.

+1 on Sumner Guns. They'll loan you ear /eye protection. Clay and group are first class.

Man some of what I've read on this forum is disturbing.... The sheep are among us lol, Any man willing to give up is freedoms,because  this corrupt government tells him he must. Is no man at all,We owe it to the future generations to make sure they are given the liberties and freedoms that were set for us,years and years ago. If your not willing to fight for those freedoms and those liberties,well I believe the UK has some open spots. Those who think that taking up arms when the government,strips your freedoms and your rights is "wrong",then you are nothing more then a drone, already programmed for slavery.    "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason This is America,merely wanting to alter an amendment should put a fire in every Patriots belly.Everyone should be raising hell at the idea of them even thinking about limiting our magazine capacity, there is no room for settling. Unless we plan on taking our military and police officers mag caps down as well,then no thought should be giving toward it. When the 2nd was written military and civilians a like had the SAME weaponry, Although i can't afford a Saw or an m1 abram tank, most people can or should i say could have afforded a base ar15 with some 30 round mags. Which in the situation,the people needed to form a militia and rise up,it wouldn't be a complete slaughter.Letting them alter and change our rights more would only insure that the people can't rise up,in fear of being massively outgunned.Steal the confidence from a group of men and surrender is just around the corner.  "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson (sorry i had to rant)

If they keep it up there wont be a country left to elect a president for. Financially, when you are spending more than you are making/ bringing in, it will crash sooner or later. And we are far past the sooner stage.

Space blankets are well proven survival tools. Personally, I like the emergency bivys made by Adventure Medical. It's a fist sized addition to your kit that can absolutely keep the reaper out of your business. http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/product.php?product=146 As someone who has probably consumed 100's of space blankets in my life, the Adventure Medical space blankets are so much better quality than any others on the market, they shouldn't even be in the same category. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001GAOISI

The civil war is over. You take on the “South” vs. “North” non-sense and you will help give Obama the destruction of this country he so desperately wants.   We have to live through this President and the next four years. Don't give him what he wants.  

One thing cool about this range is NO range restrictions Tannerite...YES 50 Cal.......YES Full Auto...YES I wish it was at least 500yrds but 330 will do...

The Tennessean's chosen alternative gun story for the Sunday Tennessean:   http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130106/NEWS0201/301060068/Move-arm-teachers-picks-up-steam-TN?nclick_check=1     I have not yet analyzed this story paragraph by paragraph and sentence by sentence for balance.   My first impression is that the Tennessean thinks "It's a Bad Idea" to have guns in schools and has dragged out old discredited "you'll shoot your eye out" memes to reinforce this Bad Idea. The journalists have selected subjects & quotes, and have used primacy and latency and other techniques, to reinforce the "Guns in Schools is a Bad Idea" point of view.   I will also go in search of the inevitable Gail Kerr foaming-at-the-mouth anti-gun editorial.   Sooooo, what is the Tennessean's Sunday circulation versus its weekday circulation?   In my Opinion, Brian Haas is an honest journalist and a good "piano player."   However, in my Opinion, Brian Haas is playing his piano in a Whore House, owned by a company that runs an unsalvageable chain of Whore Houses.

  Regarding cop disarming, generally speaking in TN, while on duty...   A judge while in his courtroom (rare). A federal building (sometimes). A detention facility (always).   The governing authority, stamped on the back of every TN POST Commission Card that every cop possesses (which NRA previously referenced) is TCA 39-17-1315 and USC 18 Sect 926. There is a private property rights issue in section B of said TCA. My jurisdiction considers a cop "on duty" even while on his/her lunch break.  Maybe not all do...don't know, and maybe that's the rub in some places.

What a tremendous loss to the industry, my condolences to his family and may he RIP.

No, I buy all my machine guns from internet chat rooms.

  You can't order machine guns over the internet. You have to get them at gun shows. Don't you know nuthin'? :)

  And was known to openly carry the automatic weapon with fully loaded assault clips.

        That said, I don't think they should use any religious book.  Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

Kaytee Lizard Litter Desert Blend. It is a very, very fine walnut media. It is sand like and cleans very well without clogging the flash holes. I also add either Turtle Wax or NuFinish. Dolomite

The action pistol games are just that, games. But you will become much more comfortable with your firearm, drawing, and reloading. Along with moving targets and moving and shooting. To the question, I have shot IDPA, and others for two years with one official class with Ben Stoeger(USPSA production champ). We are trying to bring Larry Vickers in this year. I hope that works out.

[quote name="FIST" post="874436" timestamp="1357083364"]Not exactly the same and months before CT I was at Kroger wearing a T Shirt that says "zombie hunter" on the back. A guy says to me as he's walking by "how many zombies have you killed?" with a sarcastic tone. I quickly replied with "none, zombies aren't real". He wasn't ready for that and ducked his head and moved on.[/quote] Ahh yes, telling people the truth, to their face no less. It confuses them every time.

  How does that person know how much ammo you have or what kind of weapons you have?

Man... I really need to get my wife a minigun.

That explains everything why you have to drive through a junk yard to get to the rifle range..