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My 5yr old son walks into the kitchen a minute ago - wielding a toy bow and arrow (primary weapons system).  I said, "You look like a bear hunter." He said, "Yes, I am a great bear hunter!", and as he turned to walk away, I could clearly see (printing) a light saber half-concealed down the back leg of his pants (Back Up Weapon).  It put a smile on my face and my heart.   You don't have to teach a reasonable kid that it's good to be prepared.  

Joe, Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.   As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want   nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these   slaughters.   As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their   implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to   end these tragedies.   As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding   these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference.   If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.   In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:   I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should   include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing   various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.       Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and   warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I   deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially   violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.   You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good   people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields.   I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.       Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually   everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.   I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots   may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools . I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than   prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or   develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be   banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.       I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and   violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of   crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my   Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.   Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.   Sincerely, Ted Nugent

You don't win a race by holding down the gas wide open and just hope you make it around the turns, which is exactly what that guy was doing last night, braking and steering are as important. He did a fine job in the beginning of maintaining control of the discussion, but then kept turning it up a notch even though he was in control. Then when Morgan opened up that trap door (that everyone could see a mile a way) Jones jumped in it willing, screaming on his way down.   A perfect example Josh Boston:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOjI6laKGYU   That guy embarrassed the CNN anchor and he did it in a way that will get much more attention (and deservingly so) than the Jones rant.

All blue dots represent a gun owner in Tennessee.

  Right, because being shot by a "civilian" round like .308 Win, .30-06, .270 Win, or .30-30 is like a kiss from grandma.

I have a much simpler idea. Tennessee should implement some kind of system where a citizen can take a class, say an 8 hour class at a gun store for example; then get fingerprinted; have a background check; pay a fee to the state for the privilege of exercising a God-given and constitutionally protected right; and then receive a permit to carry a handgun. They should then do away with stupid "gun free zones" and let people protect themselves instead of being mandated into victimhood by their omniscient government. If we as ordinary citizens are good enough to protect ourselves and our children why aren't our teachers? Hell, some of the folks on here are no doubt either teachers or married to one.

Clearly, packs of coyotes come in 1's and 2s so a flintlock rifle is sufficient.

My Christmas present. AKC Shepherd and the owners dropped him off at the pound in Auburn, AL. Drove down last Friday and picked him up. 4 months old, 40 lbs. Named him Independence, Indy for short.

Well, that went well, Alex, thanks for supporting us by being a total raving lunatic.    Probably converted a hundred thousand fence sitters into pro-gun-ban folks all by yourself.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQPZ-taYBs     - OS      

I will not bring up the disability thing.  However if you have a parking lot for employees, visitors or customers, you will have to comply with other codes issues.  Number of parking spaces based on the size of your business, draining, lighting, marking and so on.   Buy a house these days and neighborhood associations will tell you what kind of window shades you have to put in your house.  I support private property rights.  I don't want somebody telling me what I can or can not do.  But it happens all the time, but that is not the real issue.  My car is MY private property.  What I have in that car, as long as it is legal for me to possess, is nobody's business but mine and as long as it REMAINS in that car, there is no harm or foul to the owner of the lot on which my car is parked.   Where would you draw the line on what an employer could dictate concerning the contents of your car?  If your place of employment is a no smoking facility, would you say they should be able to tell you could not keep a pack of cigarettes in your car?  Let's say you are Christian and your boss is an athiest, can he say you can't have a Bible in your car?  It's your car.  As long as any item, including a firearm, remains in the car, and not brought INTO the work environment, be it tobacco or a bible, it is nobodys business. 

that is no worse than what some people here think of their stuff.   Anyone buying at these prices is a fool.  I recall there is some saying about a fool and their money.

Nothing a little aluminum oxide, a media blaster and some Cerakote can't fix.

If pink is your thing

Can't believe the measure of support for AJ's performance expressed thus far, even on a gun forum. Guess I was just shortsighted by my take on the public relations angle here.   So lets hope AJ becomes a more prominent voice for gun owners. With any luck, he'll appear on various congressional hearings and fact finding panels on The Hill, especially the public ones. Hopefully will get lots of airtime so that he becomes a household name to the general public. LaPierre and other 2A advocates should embrace him in public at every chance, too.   That way we'll be sure to retain our rights to keep BB guns. Maybe.   - OS

I have made some pretty inflammatory statements here. I have done so with the expectation that websites like this are being monitored. Now isn't the time to cow down and hide and worry if you are on a list. This is the time to be bold about who you are and what you stand for. Take pictures of yourself with your guns, post them on Facebook with the message that you will not comply with ANY of their schemes. Let the watchers know that we are ready and waiting.

Stop the madness... don't turn into a gamer here.  There's no reason to polish the feed ramp of your M&P unless you're experiencing some sort of failure to feed.  Just shoot it.  A lot.

Rob - LOL... Yeah, the guy is a little hard to warm up to.  I could only imagine being at his wedding. "You are correct, I will take this woman to be my wife and I will utilize this woman for all intents and purposes in accordance with the law."

  That is exactly right.   I've heard many say that the idea of citizens going up against a "future" tyrannical US government is just fantasy even if ARs and such were legal. I then quickly remind them of Afghanistan during the 80's when a ragtag army using nothing but small arms gave a world power all they could handle. Not to mention our own revolution where again the largest and most advanced army on the planet was bested by a vastly outgunned group of patriots. The will of the people, and a just cause, goes a long way when it comes to winning a war......

Just picked up this Colt LE901 today, they were just released last month, I got a low serial # 20xx, shoots 7.62mm (current setup) and 5.56mm with any standard milspec upper and a colt magwell adapter. Calling Larue tomorrow for optics This thing is bad azz...

Deer season is over now, so it's time to get a little Rabbit hunting done. Here is "Roddy" doing what he does best. Roddy is 10 years old and this is his first time out since being shot by an illegal deer hunter 3 years ago. My little partner has not lost heart at all! GO RODDY! The results of Roddy's hard work! The other three dogs will get out Wednesday. And, as always, if anyone wants to get out, let me know! Dave S

I can't believe, with his background, that this could be his opinion. I totally misread this guy. He spent his formative years as a cadet getting the Constitution shoved down his throat and this is his opinion now? Amazing.

" and BTW I am going to have one Fancy Brass catcher around it. "   Is that brass catcher going to come from Victoria's Secret ? :rofl:      glad you got one.

Yup, the Liberals want to destroy yet another industry that employees tens of thousands of people.  California and Illinois have already taxed the industries out of their states and now their states are going under.     Now they want to take down the rest of the country.  I have came to the conclusion in the past year that liberalism is a cancer.  It kills everything it touches.  

People like Stanley McChrystal and Wesley Clark are interesting studies in human nature, and perhaps offer some commentary on our modern culture of celebrity worship. McChrystal's career ended in disgrace, yet he became so enamored with the sound of his own voice that now he desparately needs a pulpit. It's too bad they can't recognize that the press is all to happy to give them that voice in return for being their monkies. McChrystal's already shown he suffers from poor judgement. What outcome did he possibly expect after calling the Vice President names in Rolling Stone?

  I concur.  My initial reaction was "F### him and anyone who looks like him" but then the rational side of me took hold and I once again took inventory of the fact that he is a [former] face of the US Military, viewed as a subject matter expert by the unthinking masses, and therefore his words will and do carry weight.   Unfortunately his opinion will matter to a degree.  It's just one more bit of mental programming via mass media, for the gullible public to dutifully lap up and regurgitate later when it comes time to make their own decisions.   People who think for themselves are dangerous.  They're doing everything they can to make sure you, I, our family members, friends, neighbors, don't do that.

What I'm about to write is unrelated to the comments above (which I agree with) about the purpose of the Second Amendment.  Rather, it's an indictment of the dangerous brand of liberal "logic" seen in the article mentioned above.   I quote Mr. Andrews: "I'm not worried, because I don't own an assault weapon and don't feel the need for one."  And later: "Guns are not going away, because the Second Amendment is sacrosanct."   Mr. Andrews admits that he has no desire to own a liberty rifle.  Then he concedes that firearms generally are here to stay.  Shouldn't it be enough, then, for him simply not to purchase one?  Why will he only be satisfied when no one can purchase one?   I personally don't have any desire to own the morning after pill.  In fact, I am opposed to its use based on my principles.  So what do I do?  How do I deal with my moral aversion to the morning after pill?  Do I attempt to prevent others from having access to it, or rail against it in the media?  No.  I simply don't buy it.   I sincerely regret that Mr. Andrews has psychological problems stemming from his federal military service.  But I can't help but point out that a reasonable national (and local) dialogue - emphasizing logic, history, and law -  about the place of firearms in our society would be much more achievable and productive if those (like Mr. Andrews) with deep seated phobias, emotional scarring, and other mental health problems conscientiously removed themselves from the discussion.     People like Mr. Andrews truly frighten me.  They represent one of the greatest threats to our rights because they cannot be engaged in a mature political debate.  If a liberal has a list of reasons or historical evidence that supports his positions, I can show him the fallacies of his logic, or prove to him that his historical events were anomalous.  I can show him, through reasoning, why he is wrong - and bring him to our side.  But when a man refuses to recognize logical reasoning - like the relationship of cause and effect - and refuses to acknowledge the value of historical analysis - e.g. the fact that we have needed to fight for our freedom in the past - and instead stands solely on emotions and fears...  he's effectively removed himself from the grownup world of discussion.  He has become a zealot, a person beyond the reach of rational adult reasoning.  And we all know what happens when angry people are no longer able to reason.

I contacted them again today via email.

  Another thing: People incorrectly assume that should our government become tyrannical that those with the keys to the tanks and helicopters will automatically go along with it. I seem to remember in my oath something about defending the Constitution of the United States agains ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. If I had been told to open fire on my fellow citizens because they were standing up for their God-given rights I'm afraid I would have considered that an unlawful order and refused it. I might have even turned around and joined them. 

  The God-Emperor Barack Hussein Obama and all his granola crunchin' minions can kiss my ass.   And, I imagine the various Tennessee County Sheriffs and the Tennessee Governor probably feel the same way, if not a little more politely stated.

Wow. Hey, I've got an idea, let's have him interview Leonard Embody next time. It would be about as productive and make us look almost as bad.

The left has Rosie O'Donnel, Michael Moore, and Cindy Sheehan.  The right gets Jesse Ventura, Glenn Beck, and Alex Jones.   Regardless, this wacky conspiracy nutjob crap just takes the pro-2nd Amendment movement right down the road the anti-gun crowd wants it to go and it seems that many are more than happy to oblige.  Much like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum in the grocery store, ranting like a lunatic never helps your cause, especially when you are already being portrayed as crazy by your opponents.

i am glad the almighty dollar is not the driving force in my life

  Agreed.  When I looked at the schedule pre-season, I saw 4-4 through October with a likely 7-5 finish and a semi-important bowl game, so the 12-0 regular season was MAJORLY unexpected.  I do wish the Irish would have carried themselves better, though.  The poor tackling was so unlike what they'd done up to this point that it was like watching another defense out there.  The BS calls in the 1st quarter may have made some small difference, but the way Alabama played, ND could have gotten all the calls in the world and still been beaten.   Nick Saban deserves a great deal of credit for the way the Tide won the game.  He built a simple run-first followed by play-action game plan based on two gambles, both of which he won.  First, he bet that Center Barrett Jones could handle ND nose guard Lewis Nix one-on-one, something no other team has tried.  Nix was doubled all year; this was the first time someone played "best on best" against him, and Jones held his own.  The handful of times he was beaten were not enough to affect the outcome of the game.  This allowed the 'Bama guards to get to the 2nd level off the snap and neutralize Manti Te'o, which they did very effectively.  At that point, the running game was good to go, which in turn opened up the play-action game.  Saban's second gamble was his correct guess regarding how Bob Diaco (ND defensive coordinator) would play his safeties.  Saban (or his OC) correctly guessed they'd be in a 2-deep look up fairly close, and also inside the hashmarks in order to support run defense.  That's how ND started the game, and the successful run game forced them to stay in that posture.  It helps that Saban knew that ND would be unwilling to bring a safety into the box, exposing their remaining 3 DBs, the defensive backfield being easily the worst part of the ND defense for the last several years.  'Bama then exploited the safeties' positions with multiple long play-action passes where their receivers ran post-corner routes, running over the top of the underneath corners to the middle of the field, then cutting a hard 45 to the sidelines, which prevented the safeties from getting over the top in a position to do anything but tackle after the catch.   I love ND and can't stand whoever they're playing, but the coach in me is very impressed by the simplicity of the Alabama plan and the few assumptions that needed to be proven correct for it to be effective.  It was an absolute masterpiece of game-planning.  Barrett Jones had better have gotten the game ball* - if he had been unable to handle Nix by himself, Alabama would have been on plan B after their first (likely unsuccessful) drive.  I guess if he doesn't get a game ball, he'll still be one of the first handful of OLs drafted, which is not too shabby by its own right.   *Seriously - this cannot be said enough - by doing what no other center had been capable of doing this year (or last year), he allowed his guards to get upfield and neutralize ND's best defensive player, along with the next closest LB or safety.  Te'o was never a factor in the game, and that was no accident.

Dang, they got my house. Now everybody knows.

Pulling for Bama ; only because they represent the SEC.

Just sayin' :)

One side note...   I past fighting pistol / carbine classes that I've attended, spent magazine retention was not emphasized.  It was more of an eject, let it fall, insert new mag, keep shooting mindset.  I've seen mags bust apart when they hit the ground, especially if you were training on a hard surface instead of soft dirt.   Back then, if a mag blew apart it wasn't a big deal.  Go home, order another.  With the current political climate and supply being diminished with worst case projections being that Swinestein might get a mag ban through, I am likely going to abandon the practice of just letting the empty mag fall free and will rather seek to retain it in some fashion or another during my reload process.   That's not to say that in an active shooter scenario, God forbid, I would slow down to retain a mag.  Just saying that in a training class, I'm likely going to start stuffing empties in my pockets instead.

[quote name="Jonnin" post="877988" timestamp="1357571084"] He was also in danger of incapacitation followed by murder.  And the off chance of dying from the pellets, unlikely but very, very possible.[/quote] And I would say that is the most important thing to take away from this. Glad that it worked out for him, but when somebody randomly assaults you, you can't know their intention. You must assume the intention is to kill or do great bodily harm. If someone comes at me with pepper spray, regardless of the fact I know it is non lethal, I'm going to draw, because it is a weapon designed to incapacitate. I ain't waiting to find out what the dudes plan is after I'm incapacitated.

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It certainly provides an avenue for it but it shouldn't EVER be necessary. There's HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of weapons in the hands of the people. The Feds should cower in fear of that knowledge. They don't. Why? Because they have doped the country with an apathetic sedative. For Superntural fans, think Turducken sandwich. They've fed the country so much of it we are all docile cattle and any who try to break free from it are easily portrayed as domestic terrorists and the sheeple nod in agreement readily. We will never see organization or revolution until its all but too late. The price will be so incredibly high. You can talk about all this and get lots of people to agree, then try to get something going and what happens? ...welllllll, I would like to but I got to be to work in the morning, the wife has her yoga class and the kids have a softball game tomorrow. I'd love to help save the country but the wife says its not a good idea. American idol is coming on tonight. ....the BS goes on and nothing ever changes. It never will until things are all but destitute. The Amerikan sheeple are lazy fatazzes who aren't going to do squat. Disagree? Prove me wrong! I'll be happy to eat crow.

Won't help them in the long run.

To the original question, I think the traditional symbols and gestures will be sufficient.  I am not one who believes that the majority of society's members will immediately turn aggressive and predatory.  Most will be like most of us: nice, honest, and fair.  We'll be scared and not looking for trouble, but cautious.  If someone verbalizes that they mean no harm and/or use common hand gestures like hands in the air, I will deal with them appropriately.  Ultimately it will be their actions that drive my response.

There are no friendlies, assume they all want to hurt you and take your stuff because they do. It is best to sneak, hide or move at night or you WILL become a victim. The highways are going to draw all the wolves because it will be easy pickings. Forget about a bug out by highway because it will be clogged within 30 minutes. And unless you are already completely packed and your BOV is full of gas you are not going to make it out.   The average person is not going to make it ouf of a population center before the other 50% of the other people leaving the cities clog the roadways. What is going to happen is the highways are going to clog like Rita/ Katrina leaving leaving them stranded and with the option of walking to the "hills" or walking back to the cities. And when you start walking you are going to be able to carry far less than what you left with or even left behind. Bugging in has some real advantages and if I lived in a city I would, without a doubt, stay put. First is you already have everything you are going to have without the need to transport it to a new location. You can call for help from those around you while in a remote location you cannot call for help. Another big advantage is you know the area. You also know who friend and who foe is or at least have a good idea. Travelling exposes you to more dangers. It is also easier to defend a building or high rise than a tent in the woods.Those buildings are going to protect you from the elements and be easier to keep warm in and survive in for the average person especially those used to living in the city. Food, at least initially, will be easier to come by in the cities as well as potable water. There are literally a few weeks worth of potable water in your water heater and toilet bowls and that is if you don't ration. With rain gutters, collecting water is much easier too. And as disgusting as it might sound cities have tons of rodents that can be harvested for food. If any type of relief or supplies is handed out it is going to be in the population centers first.   You need to also realize that there are going to be a lot more people than just you heading to a bug out location. This is going to clog the roadways like we saw during Rita/Katrina. The only way you might get a head start is if you are in a position to get some notice, like LE, emergency services or the government would get to prepare. Otherwise it is going to be a race to get out and if you are not in the lead you will find yourself stuck in the rear. And once you are stuck you and your stuff become vulnerable to roaming bands of thugs set on taking your stuff for themselves. And honestly it would be easy pickings.   Dolomite  

There's still many ways to protest and resist right now without starting a hot civil war, if some mag ban is passed and I can't find new mags to buy all I can do about that is write my reps, but if some kind of registration or turn-in bill is passed, millions of gun owners can resist by not acknowledging such an un-constitutional law. I keep reading some who seem to fear that if you resist there will be armed storm troopers breaking down your door, just how many LEO's, feds, soldiers etc. are there? Are there enough to search "MILLIONS" of households for guns? I certainly don't plan on caving in and hope no one else does because we are just too many for the government to deal with and I believe they can't completly trust all the LEO's and military personell to follow orders to attack American citizens. We may have an opportunity to put the politicians back in their place somewhat, at least show them that the people still ultimatly rule.

  Sorry, I can't let this one go.   Targeted home invasions typically involve more than one assailant and the increasing trend is for them to be well armed and sometimes using soft body armor.  A compact carbine shooting a rifle caliber is exactly the sort of weapon you want in these cases, and a home invasion is the one practical scenario where you realistically will be able to go for your primary weapon (rifle) rather than being limited to what is easily man-portable and concealable like your secondary weapon (handgun).   I enjoy the nostalgia of the model 1911 but you are still talking about having two of a handgun that only carries eight to nine rounds in a platform which can be rather finicky about feeding and cycling.  If your 1911 chokes on the firing range, no one dies.  If your 1911 chokes at 2:00am, or runs dry of ammo, while you are defending your house then the wrong people most certainly might die as a result.   Shotguns for home defense scenarios are fine provided you're using an appropriate ammunition and have worked out how you will maneuver through the house while holding a large stick out in front of you, or bringing a large stick to bear if you encounter someone without them using the barrel's bulk against you.  Most people have this fantasy idea that if someone breaks into their house, they will get to go slinking from corner to corner all ninja-SWAT-badass, clearing the house, in full control of the situation.  The statistics I've read don't bear this out.  Most true home invasions are done by perps who know to come in fast and hard, and hit with overwhelming force before the home owner gets a chance to fully wake up and react.   I'm not sure how big your house is, or how it's laid out, but for most people the amount of time the homeowner gets to react is fairly slim.   My recommendations are a little more complex than telling a person what firearm they need.  Home defense is a lot more dynamic than that and you should stack the deck in your favor in as many was as possible.   For example, use motion lights outside the house.  Keep dogs; Yappy little dogs are hard to shoot and make a lot of noise.  Invest in strong but decorative outer security "storm" doors as well as strong external doors.  Thick solid core wood doors are great.  External doors that open outward with double hinges that cannot be popped from the outside are more resistant to being kicked in.  Always run lag bolts through the hinges and into the studs surrounding the door facing.  Always use double-key deadbolts rather than the kind that have a thumb toggle on the inside.  Get deadbolts that have LONG bolts that go deep into the door frame.   Etc. and so forth.  Make it hard for the invaders to get into your house.  The more time you buy yourself here, the more time you have to react.   As for firearms, I'm a huge fan of short barrel, NFA item, carbines for home defense.  Short barrel AR-15's are great chambered in either 5.56 or a caliber like 300 Blackout.  They're compact which lets you maneuver easier inside of a house, and they don't present a long barrel that someone can use against you for leverage, or that you'll bang around corners, smack lamps off tables with, etc.   Just food for thought.

The problem is that people always want to take it to far, this would be a perfectly good idea if they said lets carry signs instead of rifles over our shoulders.  As it stands all it will do is instill fear in the masses.  It will appear as if the firearms community is trying to use intimidation to get their way. 

Nothing good can come of a bunch of people "marching on" the state capitol with rifles on their shoulders.  If you guys are looking to persuade the fence sitters to support the Second Amendment, you're totally fucking it up.

Toaster circa 1950's vs. 2012 They do the same thing. One just has more buttons and looks "scary".

Just installed a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36 scope on a Larue QD mount, Larue QD foregrip and Atlas QD bipod, if it was zeroed in it would have been the woods tomorrow on a juvenile deer hunt with my son.