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Apparently, one isn't supposed to fire shotshells from the .38 Special version of the Cobra derringers.  I had thought about purchasing one of them just to play around with and use mostly for shot shells and that fact (as per the company website) is a big reason I didn't.  Strangely, the 9mm version is okay for use with shotshells (again, per their website.)   I have fired shotshells (of the proper, respective calibers) from my S&W 642, Heritage Rough Rider, H&R 9 shot .22LR revolver and my NAA mini revolver with no problems.  In fact, I have a sort of odd story about them.  The story is a bit long (and, I hope, not a complete hi-jack of the thread) but I believe it is worth reading:   Last year, I discovered that at some point a snake had taken up residence in my commode.  No, I am not joking - the darned thing was living in my toilet.  See, my old crapper had, well, crapped out (developed a crack/leak) and it had been replaced by one that was already on hand and that had been stored in an out building.  The replacement had taken place during cold weather so my best guess is that the snake was already hidden somewhere inside it, hibernating.  It must have woken up when it found itself in warmer environs.  However it got there, I'd raise the lid to use the bathroom and the stupid thing would be hanging down from somewhere under the rim of the bowl - just its head and three or four inches of its body - and it would quickly pull itself back up into its hiding place.   As you might imagine, dropping a deuce while knowing there is a snake with quick, easy access to your tender bits is disconcerting, to say the least.  The snake had to go (and I mean leave, not, well, you know.)  I first tried getting rid of it without harming it.  The problem was, while I was pretty sure it wasn't venomous, I still didn't want to get snake bit.  I have heard of people getting really sick from non-venomous snake bites because even non-venomous snakes can have some pretty bad bacteria in their mouths and I figured that went double for one that lived in a freakin' toilet.  Being that I wouldn't exactly be able to choose where I grabbed the thing, I figured that getting bitten was a good possibility - and that was not something I wanted to explain at the ER.   In the beginning, I wanted to try and humanely catch the snake and then release it into the wild.  I started out trying to grab it with a pair of channel locks (in the interest of that whole not getting bitten thing) but it seems that a snake can pull itself back into its hidey hole faster than I can do that.  I then donned a thick, leather glove and figured I would just 'man up' and snatch it out of there.  Nope - the snake was still too fast.   At this point, I decided to discard the 'humanely' from my plan to humanely remove the snake.  I bought one of those frog-gigging heads that looks like a pitchfork that a tiny Satan might use on the Lilliputian souls in hell and attached it to the end of a short pole.  I then went into the bathroom strode bravely onto the battlefield with my frog gig trusty spear in hand.  I imagine I must have looked like a latter-day King Leonidas, bravely facing my foe with only the strength of spear and sinew standing between me and certain death or serious injury annoying discomfort.  I quickly raised the lid and struck at my foe.  To my credit, I landed a solid blow to the beast's serpentine body.  To the discredit of Eagle Claw brand frog gigs, rather than penetrating the Wyrm's armored hide, the damn tines just bent (then broke off when I attempted to bend them back where they belonged.)  I was almost certain I heard the fiendish snake chuckle as it retreated once again into the recesses of my crapper its lair.  Snake 3, Person 0.  Now, as they say, it was on.   At this point, anger and frustration began to overwhelm caution, reason and good sense.  I decided that, as Sam Colt had made all men equal, a descendent of his creation would probably help level the playing field between me and the no-legged bastich that had the audacity to occupy my throne.  Yep, I decided to shoot the SOB.   Now, I am not a particularly stupid person.  I have a couple of college degrees to attest to my relative level of intelligence.  Remember I said that my old toilet had just been replaced and that was what had lead to this unfortunate series of events in the first place?  Well, luckily the old toilet was still around.  Rather than risking destruction of the snake-infested bowl, I decided to test out the snake shot on the inside of the old one.  The test went off without a hitch - using the .22LR shot in the aforementioned H&R revolver, the shot did no damage to the inside of the test bowl so now it was time to put the theory into action.  I waited until I was sure ol' legless would be hanging down from the rim of my bowl like an anaconda hanging from a jungle tree, flipped the bowl open, quickly acquired my target and fired.   Success!  Quick as the serpent was, my trigger finger was quicker - nor was the scaly monstrosity faster than a speeding bullet load of shot.  Still alive but mortally wounded, the entirety of the creatures body slipped rather unceremoniously from the recesses of my John Ferguson.  I cried out in triumph ("Hell, yeah! Take that, you little bast*rd,") and, finally, removed it from the bowl.   It was then that I could finally tell, for sure, that it was probably a rat snake (or maybe some variation of chicken snake.)  As the flood of adrenalin and the heady rush of battle subsided, I actually began feeling a bit sorry for my valiant foe.  Not that I wanted it back in my toilet or regretted going to whatever means necessary to get it out but I did find myself wishing that we could have come to a more peaceful accord.  Alas, however, that was not meant to be.

    do you see what I did there?

waking up each day sucks sometimes, but it is definitely better than the other option.

Haha they're ammo prices are dumb. If anything they're playing into the whole jacking the prices up scheme. $70 for 555rds of .22lr. I will say that some of the glocks were reasonably priced and they had a ton of ar and ak mags.

You know...if you are living your life in such a way that your family feels it needs to take your social networking accounts down to protect your reputation; it's probably a good indicator that you really need to reevaluate how you are living your life.

The problem is.....you just don't know. Someone might start a fight, you don't know if he's going to let up after he nails you. A friend and I were pulled out of a car by a gang from below the border years ago. At least a dozen of them formed a circle and began punching me till I went down. Then they took turns kicking me in the head till I stopped moving. My friend was pulled out in the middle of the street and was beaten with chains. They obviously didn't kill either one of us but I did receive a fractured skull..... My friend received broken ribs and more. We weren't cruising for a bruising, just stopped at a stoplight. We were apparently lucky because this same gang literally kicked the brains out a customer on the front step of a pizza parlor a week later. You just don't know what an attackers intent is. Back then I never considered being armed but since then I don't go out without protection. If I get attacked the weapon will come out and the perp can decide if it's worth it. As much as some folks like to live in denial there are some pretty rotten nasty people out there who have absolutely no conscience.

  Naw. The Skittles had nothing to do with it, except to whip the libtards and race baiters into a frenzy. The media loved bending this story so they could attack the carry and "stand your ground" laws. Need to ban thugs. Zimmerman banned one thug, and now he's an asshole in some folks' minds.

My post is better.  ;)   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/66062-gov-haslam-no-need-for-more-state-gun-legislation/

    nah nah man.   It is all good.   I would hope this thread has not created ill will.    I sincerely hope we are adult and able to separate internet from real life.  Heck I have broke hamburger meat with 6.8 and he has since vouched for a few of you all. I bet we would all get along famous in person.

With a name like "Wicked Wanda" and you not being able to run; I'd say its whatever she says it is.    

I'd get a second opinion before any surgery. Part of being old also comes with the "don't get over surgery quick" clause.   I know what you mean though. About a year ago sometime informed me I was balding... I had no idea.... then immediately I noticed my rotator cuff is hurting, my knee pops and I now have a hiatal hernia!!!   Better get that 401k rolling......jeez.

I'll admit, I'm addicted. I met Phil back years ago when all anyone knew him by was "Duck Commander", back when they still had the actual hunting show. I guess if I could describe the feeling that I got while talking to him for a couple of minutes I would say "still waters run deep". Don't let their silliness throw you, they're all very intelligent (Si excluded lol) and extremely rooted in their faith in God. I have a ton of respect for not only their attitudes and as outdoorsmen, but for their willingness to speak and spread the word of God. I maintain that if the world had more Duck Dynasty and less MTV we'd be just a little better off.

I wonder if the press here realizes the 2nd Amendment is the only thing keeping the 1st Amendment alive? 

  It's not worth opening ourselves to the lawsuit that would invariably arise from raising questions about their character.  We'll just skip that and move on to locating a better source.

Coming to a major American city near you.

Of course he could have been. I've had that Watermelon Tea...it's freakin' delicious. If somebody caught me drinking some and muching on a bag of Skittles, it'd be a far fetched assumption that I was gonna make a drug cocktail with it. If I had a history of drug abuse, listened to rap music, had gold teeth, wore a hoodie, got caught at school with burglary tools and stolen loot, and acted like a thug on FB and you questioned my purchase of Watermelon tea and Skittles, you'd either be profiling or racist, right?

I am not saying this is not happening it is. What I am saying is it will do no good to fuss about it. You have ammo or you don't if you dont have the extra money to buy higher priced ammo spend the time and effort to find the stuff at lower prices it can be done I found a good bit this weekend. If you can't do either one then don't shoot. But what is the use to get on here and make a fuss about it. Things may get better again I think they will. But something else can happen and they could get a lot worse. There are folks buying ammo up and making a profit on it for sure that is life if you want it cheaper go and beat them to it. Folks just want stuff given to them any more think the world owes them something. Cheaper ammo can be had just have to be willing to put in the work and effort and time to find it. If you don't have the time then you are going to have to pay more. Not much else to say about it. Jason

In my younger and dumber days ... I hit five junebugs in rapid succession going a little over 70 mph wearing a tshirt. The last one hit me on the left nipple ... It hurt so bad I pissed in my pants. I now have very high quality gear ... Even that did not stop me from getting a fractured scapula last fall. It is not if you crash ... it is when you crash.

Riding Leathers: because it's easier to walk away in disgust than to ride away in an ambulance.

20 years ago I would be in the same frame of mind. Now, I'm 60 years old, severe arthritis in left wrist from breaking it 20 years ago, worn out knee that should have been replaced 3 years ago and has seen several surgeries, a pinned ankle and an anchor in my shoulder. I also have 3 degenerated discs......My fighting days are over. I will not be a punching or kicking bag for no man. I try to be cordial to everyone because its the right thing to do, and not out of fear. I will walk away if I can because I cannot run. Pursue at your own risk.

I for one could live with the fact that I had to defend myself cause I have no way of knowing if the BG is just going to give me a bloody nose or kill me. To take a beating and hope for the best is ludicrious at best in my book.

The wife and I were in Chattown visiting my folks for the weekend. We managed to get sunday afternoon free and my wife suggested we visit Chickamauga Battlefield. I thought that was a fitting destination for the Memorial Day weekend. :usa: Having grown up in Chattanooga, I've been there a bunch. But that was a long time ago before I had much interest in such historical things. Unfortunately we didn't have but a few hours to look around. There's a ton of stuff there so we tried to hit the high points. As luck would have it, we arrived just in time for the last cannon demonstration of the day. They fired the 12lb'er twice. Love the enthusiasm in the command to FIRE! Love the echo reverberating across the open fields. They told us this is about 50% of the typical amount of powder used to fire these. Cannons frickin ROCK! :rock: http://youtu.be/bDVKnEQZVBg http://youtu.be/h5vJFi0CqBI Then there's an absolutely spectacular period gun collection in the visitor's center. It's beyond amazing! :drool: There's 6 rows of guns on display like this... (note that the building is posted) Saw plenty of stuff I'd never heard of before... Cool double musket... SBR, 1795 style... Don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to get stuck by that.... :ugh: The ranger on duty told us that they'll be having a large reenactment in the fall for their 150 year anniversary celebration. They're expecting 10,000 reenactors. We've put that on our calendar. They've also got a cool cell phone driving tour. You drive around following the signs and call a number they give you. You enter your location and you get a narrated account of what went on in the battle in that area. I thought that was a pretty cool idea. There's monuments literally everywhere, one could spend hours (days?) looking at and reading all of them. I'd love the have the opportunity to nerd-out and check it all out in depth. And since we like talking about bicycles so much here, note that the whole park is very bicycle friendly. :up:

Thanks everyone for their thought and suggestions. Called the dealer and will swap out for another new one tomorrow. Not sure when I'll get to fire it, but if the new does it also, I'll follow Dolomite_supafly and Lowpower tips (thanks).

Well the camera man sure as hell can't stay in his lane.   I have been running the Tail of the Dragon and Robbinsville Road (Cherohala Skyway) since back in the early 90's. In that time they have become renowned the world over. Bringing with them some of the stupidest machine operators, regardless of wheels, I have ever seen.   I have been hosting a rally up there for over ten years, and I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone that goes up there without the proper level of respect.   In short, that road can and will kill you. It is not forgiving. It will eat you up and spit out the remains and never flinch.    I have seen way to many stupid folks go out there and think they have something to prove and not come back.

Some people take the silliest crap so seriously. I am I guess a purist at heart but I also have no qualms about taking something that I own and butchering/modifying it to suit my purposes. It doesn't happen very often as I've learned the hard way through experience that some things either can't be undone or its too much work to be worth while. Stuff like this though is a no brainer, its a drop in stock with no real modification needed. Hang onto the original stock and it all goes back to stock in minutes. OP,do keep us updated when you get some range time. The more I look at it I may just have to get both this AND the Archangel. Of course I'll have to buy two bubba'd rifles but I guess those are the breaks.

I've not had a single Tula primer fail to fire, Wolf either.

wicked wanda (wife) says to be a center hit would be fully in the red, she rough on me, no slack or pitty for me.

She's not biased. She's exactly what Journalism needs. She's written pieces slamming both liberals and conservatives and because liberals are in power right now she is an annoyance to the powers that be.     The media could use a few hundred more of her.

I have never been a big 1911 guy, but I fell in love with this thing the moment I saw it. It hung around at my local gun shop for a few months, and I was at the store again.........and I could not take it any longer. Home we went! Now I just need to take her out to the range. Nighthawk Predator II in "sniper gray." [url=http://s199.photobucket.com/user/tnresdog/media/IMG_0353.jpg.html][/URL]

Frankly, I don't think "intellect" gets used very much (sorry if that offends anyone) when it comes to homosexuals.   How does allowing "gay" boys into scouting (remembering that the prohibition against gay boys is fairly recent) encourage "gay sex"? If allowing homosexual boys in scouting is equivalent to condoning gay sex does allowing heterosexual boys in scouting condone heterosexual sex?   If anyone in scouts is engaging in sex then they need to be disciplined; not because it might be "gay sex" but because it's SEX 

Although ammo will probably never be as cheap as it was, it doesn't help anything that people are still buying ammo at full retard prices. STOP!!!

  You do not back out of the throttle on that one.  It will just cause highside. The problem mostly is looking at Killboy rather than paying attention to where you want the bike to go (look where you are intending to go instead of where you are going).    I have about a half inch of pegs & pipes on the Dragon, not to mention a kick-stand peg from my low-rider.  Metal on the road is fine as long as there is still some rubber too.

I am doing a square foot garden this year. First try, got a buddy helping me. This was taken last weekend. Everything is twice as tall now.

I'll take Andy and King. We will at least have a good time. :D

Next type of big steel match (sorta like the Red, White, Blue match) will be a 2(or 3) person team event. 

A man's got to know his limitations.

Almost makes you think about going to somebody like LMT.

I bought sudafed the other day. God forbid someone shoot me dead with it lest I be accused of using it to make methamphetamine. Maybe, just maybe, he actually was buying candy and something to drink. It's been known to happen.

Wow...that would be worse than the BSA allowing gay boys into scouting. ;)   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/65894-boy-scouts-allow-gays/   The most important question is, should a person carry openly or concealed?   Or...   Should "real" Americans buy only an "American" car made in Mexico or a "foreign" car made in Smyrna Tennessee?   ROTFLMAO

40 S&W is for people who want 10MM but are afraid of it. ;)

Very fun, and as noted steel can be VERY humbling. Kind of the theme for the weekend for me though. I am now very very humble LOL

damn right

I'm convinced that y'all just like to argue :)

Martin physically assaulted Zimmerman.    Zimmerman is on trial for stopping that assault.

And here is the question you need to ask yourself: what do you do if they don't stop approaching you, but never give any indication that they intend to cause you serious physical injury or death? If they do not stop then that in itself is indication that they intend to do serious physical injury. I am pretty confident that they are not ignoring my verbal commands to stop and my drawn firearm to give me a hug. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I'm a cub scout leader for my son's pack. If I ever heard any of my boys talking about sex AT ALL I'd be having a chat with their parents. It's got no business in the pack.

Parts if the show come off as heavily scripted probably because the "actors" have had to say and do the same thing 12 time in a row while the producer finds the perfect shot. The fact that some of it IS scripted also comes into play. Even so, there seems to be a strong base in reality with DD that is very lacking in most reality TV. It's one of the most enjoyable shows on the air right now I think, it's the only thing my whole family can sit down and watch without bitching.

Remember the little limeric: "....Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me...".  Name callin dont hurt me; ive been guilty of it myself.  The problem will begin when any tough guy moves forward to lay hand on me or those in my care.   Summary:    ----   Name callin; OK if it makes ya feel better.   Ive probably been all them things before anyway. ----  Slappin whoopin, cutting, stomping aint ok.    Any move that looks like a potential tough guy is gonna do any of them things could lead to me believin that my life (...or the lives of others...) is in danger; and appropriate defensive action could ensue very quickly.  I'm a 66 year old geezer.  I aint gonna fight nobody.   As a dear friend and mentor of mine told me many years ago: "....Im an old guy, most any young punk can whoop me, they just aint goin to...".  He carried a nickel plated j frame smith in his right front pocket every day and he knew how to use it.  I see things pretty much the same way.   leroy

Yes...that's right...dropping your "investigation" is EXACTLY what you are supposed to do because without reasonable suspicion of a crime you shouldn't be investigating; that's per Ohio law and Ohio State Supreme Court decisions. Of course, if you don't give a rip about the law and just want to be, as you called the police in this case, asshats then you ignore the law and just do as you please...that's why lawsuits get filed and that's why THIS lawsuit got filed.   Do you believe that you have the right to stop any car you want just to "make sure" the driver has a DL? I certainly hope you don't because you don't!  A MWAG in these circumstances in Ohio is NO DIFFERENT than seeing someone drive a car down the street; without reasonable suspicion you don't have the right to stop the person's car and "investigate" just to see if the person has a license.     You don't nor do you have any business inquiring...the Ohio Revised Code, and the Ohio State Supreme Court and Federal Appeals Court says it's none of a LEO's business.

A good trick for carrying a bic in a EDC or bug out bag is to use a plastic zip tie and tighten it under the push down tab, that way no accidental discharge of fuel in case it gets bumped against something.