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"It would be better if wilson county minded their own business" sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

A lot depends on the situation of course but my first reaction would be to turn around and find a different route. I don't see the need to put myself it eminent danger voluntarily. It just seems stupid.

Kinda reminds me of back when OJ got acquitted in a court of law after killing Nicole and Ronald...remember how we all took to the streets in protest, committing racial hate violence against innocent black folk to show how unjust the "system" was, that let go a person who killed people of another race?  Remember?  No, wait, NOW I remember, that didn't happen!

At any given time there is at least an AR15 and 6 fully loaded mags in my car.  If I am faced with a deadly threat from a mob with no more sense than to try and take a person as heavily armed as myself, I will gladly empty every single mag.   Cheers.

  It's a better option than having to shoot poor Trayvon for expressing himself :). If the popo want me to go the right way down the interstate, they need to move the obstructions.

There are times when action has to be taken even without backup or additional officers. Also the use of a rifle is dictated by different reasons. If it is reported the suspect has a long gun I deploy my rifle, I don't want to match a pistol versus rifle. I wouldn't expect any reasonable person to do it so I won't. Also I don't know how many of you have actually dealt with some real thugs or gang members they have pistols pulled on them in their line of work in their rough neighborhoods so pistols don't always have the same psycological effect.

The second one is from the LA riots. The police watched that as well as other assaults and murders take place on innocent people and did absolutely nothing. Proof that taking no action against violent rioters emboldens them and makes matters worse; much like a young child let to run amok in a restaurant without a parent intervening. They will push the limits. When riots happen police should be able to lethal force on all participants. Something we used to say in Iraq, "innocent people don't come running to the sound of gunfire." This meant that when the funk hit the fan, everyone not running away or pancaking themselves to the pavement is a target. Sounds harsh, but it is absolutely true. Referring specifically to these protesters here, they are breaking the law and are causing a hazard by blocking the interstate. Backups like these cause deadly accidents. Ambulances need to get to where they are going. As a citizen, I'll wait for the cops to come and enforce the law. But like I said, these clowns can turn violent in an instant if they are free to roam unchecked. When that happens you can bet everyone in those first few lines of vehicles would be a target. Think there are any young children and babies in those cars, sitting helpless and strapped into their carseats? Parents not knowing what may happen? Having no possible escape as they are blocked in? Yep, anyone comes near my car with my babies in it they will be staring down a barrel of an AK. If they decide to get violent every last person in that crowd deserves to be shot.

Wearing the CCW badge also requires wearing tacticool clothing and using the teacup grip, as well as looking down the muzzle end of the barrel in the event of a hang fire.

I am surprised there aren't laws against this sport! It should be illegal to have that much fun! I shot at ORSA today and I think I'm hooked! I haven't had that much fun in a long long time. I am tired but it's a good tired!

  FTFY

Agreed, what this really boils down to is simple racial intimidation, on a national scale, we are talking KKK at the height of their power sort of stuff, apparently with President of the United State's & his Department of Justice's blessings & even support. It's clear that this has absolutely nothing to do with "justice" or "civil rights" this is a message to white folks, that they are willing & able to take to the streets over any offense, be it real or imagined.

How did one side of this become “Pro Concealed Carry”? I thought this was a black racist vs. white racist issue. Is “Pro Concealed Carry” a new buzz word for white racist?

John McCain is a man who went through hell as a prisoner of war because he chose to defend his country in a wildly unpopular war and we should never forget the sacrifice he and so many men AND women made; especially those who made the final sacrifice.   As a politician, John McCain is a worthless piece of crap who deserves to be ignored and retired by the voters and who is absolute proof of how utterly void of rational thought and principles the Republican party is (because if they were capable of rational thought and had any principles the party would not allow McCain to identify himself or run under the banner of the Republican party).   All that said, I'm so not surprised that he is against SYG laws that telling me that the sun will set in the West this evening will get the same level of surprise from me.

WE THE PEOPLE of Arizona need to wake up and RETIRE his arse.....

Why? Because Obammy and his friends are the biggest racists of all. BTW, congratulations on the dramatic improvement in your avatar! :up:

People probably paid little attention to you because you were carrying a Glock.  If it had been a 1911..... :panic:

Problem solved! Bad t-stat. Went and bought a new one and all is getting cool now. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

This is a different case than what has affected some of our members recently.  Basically you signed up for it, it renewed and now you don't want it.  I'll go ahead and refund it because you haven't posted anything for sale but only for that reason.  As the store says:   Please Note: Benefactor Memberships provide immediate benefit to the member purchasing them and as such are non-refundable. By subscribing to a Benefactor Membership you acknowledge this policy and accept these terms.

I suspect he already has.

The last person I saw going OC here had one of those stupid gun show badges on his holster.  It really put a damper on my interest.  What a chode.

I used to do the scary movie/haunted house thing. But the older I get, the more reality sets in that its not unicorns and puppies out here in the real world. Having a little boy makes me realize there is nothing I wouldn't do to keep him and my wife safe, and the thought of them being in a harmful situation is scarier than any movie or haunted house.

The best way to handle it in my opinion is to sue the shit out of the PD/city, etc. and make these acts so damn expensive that they'll change the way they do things.   AND CONCURRENTLY...   Get enough voters in the town riled up enough that the city council (or however they make the laws for that town) outlaw these kinds of raids...there are plenty of ways to catch bad guys without busting down a door at 6AM which often puts INNOCENT'S lives at risk (assuming they ever got the right address)...sometimes I think these police departments do this kind of stuff just because they think it's cool.

STAR TREK IV: The Voyage Home (1986)   Transparent Aluminum   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmGjB-G6v8   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_materials   Just one more instance of Star Trek predicting the future. . . .

For $100 more the S&W is by far a better buy...just my opinion of course.   :2cents:

Once again, Zimmerman didn't use the Stand Your Ground defense, he didn't have to.   This entire thing is mind numbing.

Went shopping with spouse on Saturday and checked out the Smyrna Walmart. Low and behold! Two WW boxes of target .380!  I bought one and left the other for someone else. First time I've seen a coveted caliber there for several months.

Would've been interesting to see some ole boy get out of his truck and sit casually on his hood with an 870 resting comfortably in his lap, though. :)

My thoughts exactly. I think he's hoping that pant suits will eye him for VP. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk

Those options are greatly reduced if your children are in the car. Be a bad day for those pieces of #&&@! if they forced me to make the decision, my family or them, is no question.

  I knew there was a good ole redneck in there somewhere :)

As a law-abiding citizen I have zero expectations of any law-enforcement agency ever serving a warrant on my residence, therefore my immediate instinctive reaction would be to protect myself, my family & my home because it couldn't possibly be law-enforcement kicking in my door, but something much more nefarious. I'm not responsible for any mistakes eithe law-enforcement or criminals make by kicking in my door, nor am I going to risk taking the chance of hesitating to ask for ID when fractions of a second literally could mean the difference between living or dying. *Knock* on my door & wait for me to answer it iffin you need to talk to me or summon me for something, *kick* in my door iffin you want to engage me in a fire-fight. It's really that simple.

Because you know Denny's name, you are probably familiar with the incident and the LA riots which precipitated it.  In the Houston incident, protestors (rioters) were challenging and attacking drivers--one grandmother in particular who was trying to get her granddaughter to a nearby hospital.   http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/17/caught-on-tape-pro-trayvon-martin-protesters-attack-grandmother-and-refuse-to-let-family-take-child-to-hospital/   The key denominator in both of these incidents is a racial vendetta.  In LA, it was the acquittal of police officers who beat Rodney King.  In Houston, it was the acquittal of George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin in self defense.   However, another element coming to the forefront in these recent riots and protests is the attack on our 2nd Amendment right, on which the Stand Your Ground law is based.  It's purely an attempt to control guns.

No worries man, in the hands of the police, those are just defensive weapons and not an assault rifle.  You're analyzing the situation wrong!

That is the problem with the system. Everyone makes the team. Kids get sent to the next grade to get them out of the system.

brake failure if needed

  It is always preferable to have backup when performing a felony stop.  However, sometimes different circumstances require different procedures.  Maybe something led the officer to make the stop right then.  Hard to say since there are many variables.  It probably started out as a "routine" (although I hate using that word) traffic stop, and turned into a felony stop when the guy turned out to have some felony warrant for his arrest.

Depends on situation. If I have to get down that road for some reason, or if they show major aggression towards me or other drivers then the AR comes out, and we find out just how badly they wanna block that road. If they are blocking the road but not being super aggresive then Id lock the doors, handgun on lap and use the horn and push my way through. If it wasn't critcal to travel the road then Id find another route if they weren't physically attacking others. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

I’m not now nor have I ever advocated “revolution” so I’m not even going to address that part of your post since it really doesn’t apply to me. I don’t think my question is all that difficult to answer; I think the issue is that no one really wants to face the answer.   I asked what makes you (or anyone) think that next ten or twenty elections will actually make a difference; I submit that the only realistic answer is that they won’t make a difference. Different reasons for that can be cited (bad candidates, wrong “party” winning, problems too severe/too far along for there to be time to change things, lack of courage among those elected to actually do what needs to be done, etc.) but the end result is the same…the United States will collapse under the weight of its own government. There is nothing “spurious” in my simply noting the complete ineffectiveness of the Libertarian Party…facts are facts, as they say, and the Libertarian Party has NEVER been an effective force on the national level (or really the state level for that matter). In 2012, all the third-parties combined garnered just 1.7% of the popular vote (and yes I realize Presidents aren’t elected by the popular vote but I believe the statistics are still relevant to show overall effectiveness/popularity)…of that 1.7% the Libertarian Party's share was .99% of it which, I believe, was the best it has EVER done…a whopping 0.99% of the total…someone color me not surprised!!! What that number means is that for a Libertarian Party candidate to win the presidency, he would have to move from getting that whopping 0.99% to garnering at least 33.4% for a plurality of the votes…that would be quite a turn-around; a 3,394% increase if my math is right this morning. You call my argument spurious yet you say that “if even a small portion of the people who are fed up would put their money where their mouth is and vote third party, things would change in a hurry.” Really? A small portion? How is a small portion going to more an irrelevant third party into one that is strong enough that it could have a real impact on the national level? It seems to me it’s going to require a HUGE portion of people who are fed up and would put their money where their mouth is! Moreover, it would take people you just got done saying are “brainwashed by the rhetoric of the two-party system”! How is the Libertarian Party going to take all those brainwashed voters and turn them into lucid, thoughtful little Libertarians? Is there a camp we can all go to that will get our minds straight?  ;) If there is a spurious argument here I think it’s the argument that the Libertarians can/will ever be anything other than a fringe party. Your comments about brainwashed voters is also bit insulting. Do you not realize that some of us don’t vote for Libertarian candidates because we simply don’t agree with the Libertarian Party? I’m not a Libertarian, I’m not a Republican; I suppose you could call me a [r]epublican or perhaps more appropriately, a conservative but whatever you call me, I don’t vote Libertarian because I don’t agree with enough of its platform nor have I yet seen a candidate that I would actually want to be in high office…maybe that will change in the future but I rather doubt it. More to the point and I say again, I don’t believe there will ever be enough men and women elected to Congress or the Presidency who actually have the courage and the convictions to do what truly needs to be done to return this country to its Constitutional boundaries and financial solvency and certainly not enough to do so in time to keep the country from collapsing economically. I hate being this pessimistic and I literally pray that I’m wrong…but I don’t think I am.   I'm fine with you or anyone else sticking withe the Libertarians but when you look behind the curtain I think, with very rare exception, it's all the same gutless, condescending, power-hungry crap politicians we've been getting for most of the past hundred years or so.

  Not enough.

It couldn't have happened to a better guy.   Next, Nancy Grace and Jane Velez Mitchell.   no whammy no whammy

Maybe because it is a huge embarassment to liberals, unions and democrats in general.   Don't fret, I'm sure we the federal taxpayers will bail them out, unless Michigan just has some really crappy senators.

I've been followed by security in the mall, and I'm white. I was racially profiled!!!

Since he spent so much time in Chicago and more importantly, in Chicago politics; could he actually be anything but a thief, bully, and thug?

Has the federal government ever charged or arrested Z with a crime warranting the confiscation of property?   I'm trying to wrap my head around how they can decree that a local matter settled in a local court can be put on indefinite hold.

"Pardon me sir, allow me to strap on my AR pistol before we engage in combat".

I don't OC. I recall reading a tactical book... can't remember which one... that promoted being gray. In this case, gray meant don't stand out. Don't draw attention to yourself with dress or mannerism. OC definitely draws attention to yourself.   OC means losing the tactical advantage of surprise. OC means that if a bad guy starts shooting, you'll be shot first.   Sometimes, though, I've stopped to gas up late at night and noticed people eyeing me. I've casually uncovered my OWB holster so it was clearly visible. I've done that once is a supermarket parking lot as well and the guy suddenly swerved away.   Now, if anyone wants to OC, I'm fine with it, but it's not for me.... color me gray.

If you're the kind of person who likes attention, good or bad, then open carry.  If you're the kind of person who prefers that people leave you the hell alone, conceal.