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I hate reloads too. Typically reloads(be it commercial or private) are done in haste. I do however shoot 'handloads' exclusively. The difference? Handloads are carefully crafted works of art.

Yep...

  Must admit I'll never get over what I consider the absurdity of that view, Mark -- until you can convince me that you and I "decided" to be straight.   I certainly had nothing consciously to do with it myself, as Mr. Happy informed me of my "decision" early on, without any reasoning on my part whatsoever.   - OS

    The silence coming from American Muslims is deafening. I figured they would be speaking out against suicide bombers killing innocent men, women and children or killing little girls for going to school, but they are silent.  It doesn't set well with me..............

Just as hospitals are for the sick, the church is for the sinners!  BUT, just as the hospitals do not endorse getting sick, the church can not endorse sin! 

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year-old farmer whose hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually, the topic got around to Obama and the Presidency. The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, he's a 'post turtle''. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top -- that's a post turtle." The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself; he doesn't belong up there; he doesn't know what to do while he's up there; and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him there to begin with. All ya really know is ya gotta help take him down ..." =  

They wont, for 2 reasons. 1st, they fear their own will come after them. 2nd, they endorse the acts. You get to pick the reason.

As well they should be allowed.   There is zero reason for barring participation by gay scout leaders just like there is zero reason for barring participation by gay scouts...as long as there is no sexual impropriety going on it doesn't and shouldn't matter.

I have often found it amazing how the supposedly "tolerant" people are actually some of the most intolerant people on the planet.  Here we have a small church, which I would be willing to bet that close to 100% of their congregation disapprove the BSA's decision on homosexuals, stand on their principles.  At one time in this country, people who were unwavering on their principles/convictions were respected.  Today, it is totally different.  If your view or belief is not in sync with the latest pop culture, you are mocked, ridiculed, demonized, and if you are of a certain political affiliation, you are targeted by the IRS.  I guess in reality those that cry tolerance are really only tolerant if you accept their viewpoint.

What we need are folks who will not vote for any new laws. I'd like to see someone run on a platform to only vote to repeal laws.

being scared of gay people,   plenty of homophobia going around it seems.

I had a great time this weekend, made a lot of new friends, and look forward to the next.  In honor of this, I created a few awards....    "Commando Award"- Timestepper.  Despite his crutches, Timestepper came out and showed everyone several primitive skills and held everyone's attention the whole time he spoke. "Sunburn Award"- Whitewolf001.  His arms are lobster red and will now be known as Whitewolf Red-Arms. "Wet T-Shirt Award"- Spots.  10a this morning, pouring down rain, Spots is wringing water from his hat and shirt! "Youngest Overnight Camper Award"- Bigbabysweet's daughter. Despite less than desirable conditions, several of us stayed overnight.  She was definitely a trooper for sticking it out in addition to holding UncleJak's attention in thought provoking conversation about The Little Mermaid and Aladdin.  "Oldest Overnight Camper Award"- UncleJak.  I know.....I gave myself an award.....but I was the oldest overnight camper.... "Little Mermaid Umbrella Award"- Bigbabysweets.  I guess you just had to be there for this one...  

I don't like to post faces, but in this case I have to. I started teaching my daughter how to shoot at the age of 4. We started with a suppressed .22, but she refused because daddy didn't shoot one. A suppressed AR in 300 Whisper became her trainer rifle. She killed her first and second deer at 7 with the same Whisper. Her third at eight. Last season she graduated to a suppressed 308 and killed a nice ten point. All the shots were under 200 yards. She has never shot a non suppressed rifle so I was a little nervous. I decided to take her shooting at a grand this morning. The gun is a Savage F-Class in 6mm BRX, 107 SMKs, Benchmark 30" barrel, and a 20x Leupold. The barrel was threaded and chambered by Spook and installed it about three weeks ago. The rifle belongs to a friend. My F-Class gun has a little more recoil than I want her to experience. One group is amazing and almost unbelievable, but I have video. Enjoy. Video [url=http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz229/alleycat72_bucket/M2U00129_zps82806c63.mp4][/URL] [url=http://s830.photobucket.com/user/alleycat72_bucket/media/R3_zps9918ca63.jpeg.html][/URL] Video [url=http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz229/alleycat72_bucket/M2U00126_zps1210cac6.mp4][/URL] [url=http://s830.photobucket.com/user/alleycat72_bucket/media/R4_zps2b1748aa.jpeg.html][/URL] [url=http://s830.photobucket.com/user/alleycat72_bucket/media/R1_zpsffea0ea2.jpeg.html][/URL] [url=http://s830.photobucket.com/user/alleycat72_bucket/media/R2_zps61ebfbe5.jpeg.html][/URL]

Always on the prowl for storage options for loaded ammo; I was in Lowe's the other night and saw these brand new paint cans. $5 each, you can't buy an ammo can for that. So I grabbed one to play with. They seal up tight, obviously, they're mean to keep paint from drying out. An adventurous soul might even put a thin bead of RTV around the rim. Furthermore, one could smear a little paint on the outside and no one would really pay them any attention stacked in the garage. Anyway, you can get 1,115 rounds of .40 S$W in one if you take the time to stack them and add a cardboard divider between layers. Just thought I'd share :wave: [URL=http://s1216.photobucket.com/user/Reloadingfool/media/IMG_0002_zpsee861bf6.jpg.html][/URL]

People say hateful and ignorant things on the Internet under the safety of anonymity? I was not aware of this.

Depends on who reloads them. I have two G19's, one has had about 100 rounds of factory thru it while the other has never had any factory ammo. Both have over 5,000 rounds thru them. I have actually had more problems with factory ammo than reloads but I only shoot my own ammo.

They are afraid. Some people raise produce and can or freeze, some go to the grocery store. 

Killian said Internet postings that violate civil rights are subject to federal law.     So, along with that, will all other religions be afforded the same protections?   I thought not.

This "gay scout" thing is another accommodation to the "balkanization" of america by those who hate the system and intend to re-write the immutable laws.  The Boy Scouts (...and others, some of them churches...) have chosen to accomodate the whims of pop culture; the current whim is "...its ok to blab and brag about your sexuality and orientation....".  I think this move is probably the death knell to the current Boy Scout organization.     I think the issue of the BSA and the church is an "apples and oranges" thing.  Heres why:  The BSA is a private, benelovent institution that teaches self-reliance and morality (... check the scout oath out here:     The "rub" here is two fold.  The first is the definition of "morality".  The "old definition" called homosexuality a perversion; hardly a morally straight condition.  The "new definition"; applied in the military and in other sectors today by our political masters , is "...its ok to be homosexual....; its simply a lifestyle choice....".   What you have here is a re-definition of morality (...endorsed by government and other interest groups eg: "...group morality...) that changes the "old definition".  "Evolution as some would say.  I wuz a boy scout myself many years ago; and i simply dont remember the issue of sexual orientation comming up as part of the "Boy Scout Way".  The reason; homosexual behavior (...as well as promiscuitous behavior...)  was considered immoral behavior that no polite society talked about; and the Boy Scouts and their supporters well understood it to be so.  There may have been those in the ranks of the BSA that were "gay" and some were probably "promiscuitous", but they were quiet.  I think that was exacly has they should have been.    This current move is nothing more than the destruction of an organization that has done much good as a sacrifice to the "god of tolerance".   In this country we are busily killing off any semblance of "biblical morality" as somehow "intolerant".  This is simply the product of the "jhadist" who whant to change the immutable rules.  "GLT" jhadism is simply the latest iteration.  My guess is that the BSA has been murdered at the hands of the jhadists and the accomodators to pop culture.   As to the church thing (...taking a stand against certain behaviors and organizations...).  It should be understood that the church is a "house of prayer" and a "haven for the lost sinner" and a non-judgmental place where the Gospel Message can be heard and accepted if the affected soul wants to be accepted into the Family of God.  God calls the lost to Salvation.  That means everybody; saint, sinner, jhadist, gay boy scouts, gay non-scouts, everybody;.... period.... .   That means that the door should be open as to salvation.  Scripture teaches (...and i believe them...) that God loves the sinner and hates the sin.   That means that all who are willing are welcome.  The correctly constituted "church" should operate on that model.  This is the "greatest outreach" of the church and the fullfillment of the "Great Commission".    There are some qualifications however.  The plain reading of scripture defines immorality in brutally plain terms.  That means that there has to be some inward changes made to the "immoral lifestyle" and the church has the duty to obey the principles of scripture.  Viewed in that light, alone, the church has the right to "turn out" individuals and organizations who do not share the values and principles that the church is founded on.   So this thing cuts both ways; the church is a "home for sinners"; but it also has a duty to  to abide by those principles outlined in scripture.   Thhis whole thing (...in my view...) has murdered the presently constituted BSA, put the church on the spot in some locations, and has given the enemies of God great occasion to blaspheme Him no matter which side of this arguement ya come down on.  The real loosers in this "rewriting of the immutable laws" are society in general, and the Boy Scouts specifically.   Thats how i see things this mornin.   leroy

I have known many gay men in my adult life, and only one ever discussed it to any significant degree.  It's not as if these people want to join the BSA and wear a dress.  The issue here is that many Scout leaders who did not discuss their sexuality and did not act inappropriately have been forced out of the organization simply based on their sexual orientation once it was discovered.

Of course, you realize that research has shown time and again that homosexual men are no more likely to assault children than anyone else.  In fact, the vast majority of child molesters identify as heterosexual in their lives and are commonly married.  Dozens of studies by psychologists, criminologists, and medical professionals have failed to show that there is any connection at all between homosexuality and child molestation.  Just because a man wants to engage in consensual sex with another man, there is no way that any honest person can extrapolate that to mean that they would want to force sex upon a child.  I'd rather have a "queer" with a good heart lead my son's Scout troop than some bigoted jerk who doesn't respect what other people do in their private lives.  

I hate it for the kids but kudos to the church. Stand for what you believe.

The horse has been beaten into burger meat in the other thread, but the only ones losing out are thy kids. If adults have their head so far up their cornhole where they they think it's a good idea to shut down an entire troop just because a homosexual young person is allowed to join without hiding their true nature, then those adults don't deserve the title of scout master. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta

http://therightscoop.com/phone-app-places-gun-free-zones-in-crosshairs/  

Whatever you get, don't get sucked into going with a pistol grip. They look cool in the movies but not for use in the real world. My comment is not to be confused with a stock that also has a pistol grip. Those can be useful if you like that style. Nothing wrong with a regular stock on a HD shotgun. I went with a Knoxx adjustable pistol grip stock on my 870 since the factory length of pull was too long for my wife to shoulder and still be able to pump it.

I'm a reloader. I can't begin to tell you how many of my reloaded rounds I've fired over the past 25 years. I know I have better than 30,000 of my reloads through a Government Model Colt I have.   Yet I am hesitant to fire someone's reloads unless it's someone I know and trust. Then ? No worries.   That being said, I have blown a Glock 21 with a double charge. One second of focused inattention while reloading is all it took. My fault completely. Lesson learned, failsafe procedures indoctrinated into my process. So far, so good...better than 13 years...   But I garden, I pressure can and water bath can. I can a variety of meats. I have friends that look at me like I have 2 heads when the topic comes up. They are the same folks that think that reloading requires "magical knowledge". You try to educate...   Life has risks. You try to minimize the impacts.   My guns are tools. I take care of them, but I work them. They are tools. They will wear out. And they are replaceable. :2cents:       If you are speaking of commercial reloads then that's another topic.   I have fired many, many Black Hills reloads...mostly 5.56/.223...and wish I could still afford them...or even locate them LOL.

I guess we need to get rid of any leader who has been divorced, ever been charged with a crime, gotten a traffic ticket (or speeds to and from BSA meetings), curses, gambles, drinks, smokes, overeats, looks at any pornographic material, doesn't pray regularly, doesn't go to church regularly (defined as little as once per week to as much as seven days per week), doesn't consistently tithe, or any other number of transgressions that doesn't fit into what one considers being "morally straight" in this world.   How about Muslims or Jews in the BSA?  Are they allowed or can they not be "morally straight" because they believe in a different religion? 

I'm sure that your argument was virtually identical a few decades ago related to non-whites who wanted to join and lead the Boy Scouts.  The history of racism within the Scouts is not a secret and many civil rights leaders and early urban gang members specifically reference their exclusion from the organization as a reason for their anger with white society.     http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/html/bsa_-_race.html  

So I own two Glock 19's. One a gen 2 since the early 90's. While browsing the Glock website I found they would replace all internals for free. And would also refinish the slide for $45. They even upgrade the frame if you desire. So I shipped my Glock 19 to Georgia and wrote them a check to upgrade the frame and refinish the slide. Total cost to me $154. Glock customer service called and asked if it would be ok if they just replaced the gun with a new one. I was shocked and said hell yes! It shipped with 2 new mags in box...the works.   When I got it back 8 business days later I got the bright idea to sell it and maybe try something new. I'm so invested in trigger time and familiarity with this firearm and pleased with the service I'm keeping it. Just thought I'd share.   great weapon, great service.

  I believe we're going to see that it matters to a significant number of people.

It's only "forcing" or "indoctrination" when it involves anything related to evangelical Christianity. But when gays or any other group do the same thing, then all they're doing is "exercising their rights". Go figure. PC is killing our society.

    Well...not if you don't tell everybody about it. :squint:         Wait a minute...you mean they might be reading this? :ugh:

Well, no, actually they didn't. The policy they changed wasn't adopted until about 1980; at least for someone my age that's pretty recent history. How anyone feels about the change is completely up to them. At the same time, I would suggest that it would best to make sure we have our facts correct about the BSA's history before we go making claims about it. ;)

Fellas, I'm a lesbian (like any male) and to be honest, if people get butt hurt because a institution doesn't want to participate in their silly games, you know what, move along and find your own damn group of like minded individuals. This isn't just about Christians, gays, BSA, it's something in general that is happening across the board here in the USA. People need to start growing thick skins, don't like a comment, deal with it. The PC crowd has turned majority of the US into pussies..    People criticize institutions and make them look evil using the media, but what they are doing is just, they don't want to participate in the social experiment and have every right not to. BSA chose their bed and not they need to sleep in it.  

The bylaws of the BSA do not accespt homosexuals....okay, they changed that. BUT, it doesn't mean that everyone else has to (i.e. the church and those dropping out of the BSA) fall in line with it.   Just think that if the NRA or 2nd Amendment Foundation started backing a gun control bill just how many would drop out of those oganizations and stop sending funds.   The BSA has done an about face on a principle they were founded on and followed for over 100 years. Anyone wanting to drop out or cut off their flow of money to them has the right... and my respect.   I don't wont my kids hanging around with that lifestyle (homosexuality) and growing up to think it's okay. Tolerate it, but don't support it.   My Prediction: There will be another oganization (call it what you will) rise from this that follows traditional values like the BSA did when they started. It will be the conservative version of the BSA and the original BSA will continue on or drop by the wayside....my prediction.

Of course there are.  There are fewer now than 20 years ago but to deny that differences in rights exist is to chose to be uninformed.   One simple example...a homosexual couple that has been together for decades; one of the couple is suddenly taken ill and in intensive care.  Without an immediate family member to give "permission" or a hospital staffer willing to break the rules, the partner will have a hell of time getting in to see their partner. There are most certainly inheritance/financial/tax and other similar and significant difference between heterosexual and homosexual partners (even heterosexual partners that never actually married each other).   While many of the rights and privileges of "marriage" can be either duplicated or simulated through legal contracts, etc...much of the dichotomy between the two is a result of government inserting itself into the process; something that in my opinion, the government has no place inserting itself in the first place.

Of course the BSA has the right to exclude - the BSA chose not to do so. Regardless of they hype, no one forced the BSA to change its policy; a policy that was actually, adopted rather recently in its history. Certainly, pressure was brought to bear on the BSA, pressure form specific special interest groups as well as practicalities (meaning corporate sponsors, other organizations, etc) who would no longer support the BSA if it maintained its no gay boys policy. However, it WAS the BAS (and a majority of its membership) who DECIDED to change.   Some have claimed that with the policy change, the BSA has violated some closely held traditional moral value and/or core religious belief yet a review of the BSA's own documents and statements of principles doesn't bear that out. Moreover, if this moral principle against homosexual boys was truly some core value of the BSA then why change?  A person's or an organization's "core values" are pretty meaningless and I would suggest, never really a core value at all, if we succumb to pressure to abandon them.   This isn't about sex in the BSA as there should never be ANY sexual activity allowed or tolerated in the BSA in the first place regardless of whether it's same sex or opposite sex. This is about one group's feelings about homosexuality vs another groups feelings and the BSA in the middle of it.

I Pledge Allegiance I Promise to be faithful and true (Promise my loyalty) to the flag to the emblem that stands for and represents of the United States all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag of America yet formed into a UNION of one Nation. and to the Republic And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign, for which it stands, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty. one Nation under God, These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource" (according to the words of President Eisenhower) Indivisible, and can not be separated.   (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 30 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history) with Liberty The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness", and Justice And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle, for All. And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria.  Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

I don't think getting set up for a good amount is the problem. The problem as I see it is that there were too many people caught with their pants down who are for whatever reason willing to pay scalped prices on what should be an inexpensive, readily available commodity. I did not get caught with my pants down in regard to .22, I've got plenty. I still plan on buying more as it come available and I also don't care if people have a problem with that.

I have to confess to getting caught with my pants down on .22LR ammo. I was good on everything else. I only had one brick when all this started and haven't gotten any since. So, I'm not gonna let this happen to me again. I'm gonna stock up when I can get my hands on some, even it means I'm contributing to the problem.

My father bought me a Ruger Single Six with two cylinders from Wal Mart for my birthday when I was a teenager. I still have it, and it's still in the box.

Still got it. Ruger Super Single Six revolver with the extra 22 mag cylinder. Got it 31 years ago. Still have the box and sales receipt from Ace Hardware.

I find it amazing how people pick and choose which parts of the Bible support their views on certain subjects, while denying other parts.   I also find some of the statements made, whether they are in jest or not simply appalling.   I would ask everyone to remember that everything posted online is 'out there' forever.  As a forum dedicated to guns and gun related topics we as gun owners should represent ourselves in the best possible manner (especially in this political climate), even online.   I'm not saying you should not express your opinions / beliefs, but some of the comments left by members in this thread and the other related one have been downright foul.   Just a thought all.

Of course the church has the right but I can't help but wonder, is this church going to kick out all the other sinners currently in the church???   I suspect the troop will find another location to meet.

Just another sad day in America, AND I AM DAMN SICK OF IT!!!

The Staff shot the match today and everything went smooth.  The stages are a lot of fun and the SO's are great.  Still some slots open for walk-ins.  Come on down and join the fun.  Three guns on the prize table available for random drawing.  Do you feel lucky?  For $70 bucks you get to shoot a sanctioned match with 8 stages, free lunch, and a 1 in 30 chance to win a gun, and a much higher chance to go the prize table for some other goodies.

This is just anther reason why I don't believe in warning shots.

I just can't believe that two Republican politicians lied to my face (well, to my ear anyway)...I mean; if I can't trust a politician to tell me the truth then what is the country coming to???  These guys even wrote a letter to say why they passed the law and what it should do (even though they didn't want to put that IN the bill for some unknown reason). ;)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-deputy-james-boyd-gunned-evil-evan-manhunt/story?id=19243702#.UZ_VvpUpLbY