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With a shitbag officer who got but hurt the kid did no more than he was required to instead of bowing to his authoritah. The kid may have been looking for trouble, but Deputy Ross and those that assisted him (like the K9 handler) were under no obligation to provide it. They chose to act in an unprofessional and possibly illegal manner that has now opened up the RCSO to a possible lawsuit. If any of the residents of Rutherford County want to lay blame for their tax dollars having to defend a lawsuit and possibly pay out a judgement/settlement, then they have to look no further than Deputy Ross and his accomplices that night.

When it comes to my constitutional rights, I'm not overly concerned about an officer's emotions. If he can't keep them in check and be respectful of a citizen's rights, then he has no business wearing the uniform. My rights trump his feelings all day long.

It's obvious that the young man's intent was to make a point with his recorder but that doesn't excuse the actions of the officers. They illegally searched his vehicle and acted like  a**holes.

Civil disobedience From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search "Disobedience" redirects here. For the 2002 film, see Disobedience (film). For other uses, see Civil disobedience (disambiguation). Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was a figure known worldwide for advocating non-violent civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is commonly, though not always,[1][2] defined as being nonviolent resistance. It is one form of civil resistance. In one view (in India, known as ahimsa or satyagraha) it could be said that it is compassion in the form of respectful disagreement In recent days I feel we have all seen the government implementing a system were by our rights and freedoms as American citizens are being eroded or outright taken away from us. The examples are too many to list here but attacks on gun rights to spying on citizens to targeting citizens for drone attacks are just a few. what we have is a total disconnect between the government and the governed. Those in power no longer govern based on what's best for the American people but rather what will keep and strengthen their own positions in power. The concept of America as a country of united individuals has been replaced by the concept of the have's and have not's. Throughout history we have seen this pattern repeated over and over both here and abroad. Nearly , if not every social conflict in recent times has involved the government oppression of their own or other people. This is clearly seen in the civil rights movement of our own country. There was a time that our own government denied basic rights and freedoms to citizens of African decent in this country. We all either remember or have studied the segregation that was the law of the land in the past. Finally one individual decided that enough was enough and decided to challenge the law of segregation. That person was a woman named Rosa Parks. One day Ms. Parks decided she had been subject to an unjust law long enough and decided to challenge the status quote. That decision started a movement that brought equality to a whole class of citizens in this country. I suppose there is a reason cliff notes are not allowed in most schools today as they never seem to tell the whole story. Would the cliff notes on Rosa Parks says she went looking for trouble. Would the cliff notes on Paul Revere say he went looking for trouble. Perhaps the cliff notes on our founding fathers, those who landed in Normandy on D-day or those in our military serving in distant lands today are looking for trouble. Perhaps a quick read of the cliff notes might allow one to reach this conclusion but when one reads the whole story we might reach a different conclusion. A read of the full story may lead to the conclusion that these people were challenging unjust and oppressive governments and laws. We can all just submit to the commands of government and become their puppets or we, as this young constitutionalist showed, start to challenge these laws and hopefully be part of the process of returning the government to the people. Each one of us must decide our own path in this conflict but we must not allow ourselves to condemn those who decide to be part of the solution.

Cliff Notes on Thread: Kid went looking for trouble and found it. Some people agree with preceding observation. Some people disagree and invoke Ghandi, Rosa Parks, etc. Cops like Krystals just like anyone else. I'm now hungry for Krystals.   Did I miss anything?

I agree. I think both of their criminal histories and arrest records should have been allowed.

Very unprofessional but the kid was a smart ass. Here is my take: 1st I carry a gun so even if he has no "right" to stop me and ask me questions I'll stop, be polite, and unless they ask to search my car everything is fine. 2nd, its been said time and time again "don't try and argue the law with a cop that may or may not even know the law" 3rd, I've been through a bunch of DUI checkpoints and never had anyone act like an ass. 4th, I carry a gun. I have no desire to be dragged out of my car taxed or worse and handcuffed. I'm a big boy and its hard to get up off the ground while wearing handcuffs and a cops taser in my back. 5th, if you treat everyone the way YOU want to be treated things seem to go a lot smoother in dealing with people.

If politics were not involved, there would be no trial.

Depends. Did you just quickly glance over a single beetle infested tree? or have you been watching the beetle infestation slowly but surely spread across the forest?

Out of the all the arguing on reddit, this is my favorite quote:   It's unfortunate that things like this happen, but a uniform doesn't mean automatic respect anymore; and the good ol' boys should learn this.  A simple search of youtube can give you a reason not to trust a police officer.  Every cornhole with a cell phone can easily take a video and upload something, if you're a ####ty cop you're going to get caught eventually.  Did the kid go looking for trouble?  Maybe.  But that doesn't excuse the officer's actions, then again not everyone can be like these guys: http://youtu.be/xq_RvJ7CtOw http://youtu.be/G1CjZN2H5-8

At least we know he loves young Cox.

Here's another DUI checkpoint video.....different outcome entirely.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZCYIV_vbKM

Im amazed at lots of the things ive read in this thread; especially right above in Keel's posts.   The fact of the matter is that most folks who see things thru the lens of reality understand that the  embracing of the gay agenda in the political and business community is nothing more than pandering to another group of people in order to collect some moolah for the business or government apparatachik --- nothin more.    If we claim to be the paragons of 'tolerance for the views of others" as some of the more open minded have proclaimed to be; how come it is that we have so much venom, condemnation, and bad talkin to stored up in us that we cant simply say to those who dont see things the way you may see 'em?  Why not simply grant that ... each individual has a right to his/her/its opinions...; and leave it at that when the impasse hits?  I say that if we supposidely believe in all these individual freedoms and are so intellectually and culturally advanced; we ought to believe in the adult idea of listening to differences of opinions regarding these issues.  As some smart guy philosopher said in the long ago: "...The mark of wisdom is to be able to examine an idea without actually embracing it...".    RE:  The discenting "moral" issue:   I say it's ok to have a discenting opinion on this issue based on moral grounds.  That opinion has been around for millenia and was prevalent in lots of cultures.   The "moral" issue (...i know, save the speeches about "whose morals".  They are yours; whether they are taken from some religious authority or from your own fertile mind; its an individual judgement and decision.   In the end, the individual makes his own moral judgements...) is a valid one; and it aint just tied to the Christian world view.  Holding this opinion doesnt make you a "religious zealot".   Some folks simply dont see the gay thing in the "broad-minded" pop culture view that is bantered about today; and, with me, that's ok; and it ought to be ok with you too.  Nobody here is gonna take up the sword and exterminate anyone else. The inference that there are those on this forum who would do those things is nothin but childish "hyper-speech" designed to inflame and obfuscate the sensible, reasoned discussion of this (...or any other issue...).   The sixties hippies have done their work well (...some of it needed doin---some didnt....) in that they have effectively taught the "gospel of tolerance" for all actions; no matter how heinous to some elements of society.  It's the ole "re-writing of the immutible laws" thing in acton. They have also been very effective in teaching the "demonization of enemies" thing as well.  Both these tennants of hippydom are fully and firmly enshrined in the minds of many today as gospel; thus creating some "new immutable laws".   We can quibble a bit about this one; but i firmly believe in the pop culture thing that says the only virtue is "...the un-negotiable demand that the individual have tolerance for the views, actions, habits, sexual preferences, proclivities, ect, ect. that the current "pop culture pet tribe demands ....).  There simply are no other virtues.    "Tolerance" means to them that you must embrace, accept, and celebrate whatever the "flavor of the moment" happens to be.  If you dont do that; you are Satan.  That gives these "tolerant types" the license to berate, make fun of, name call, excoriate, ostracize, ect. ect .ect whomever happens not to share their current view with the whip of the old "you aint tolerant" excoriation; and gives them license to call you names like a bunch of school yard children.  This action supposidly causes the offending party to cower in the corner and beg for forgiveness for not being tolerant enough.  When the poor offending party does his pentinence, he is finally restored into the fold of "inclusiveness" and readmitted into the pop culture tribe...   This is not only ignorant and laughable; it's the ultimate intolerance, i say.   If we are so damned tolerant of other views; why aint we tolerant about opposing views and why dont we have an adult discussion about them?   I dont know about you, but names dont bother me too much.   I could give a damn less if you call me a name; especially the "intolerant, homophobe, bigot, on and on and on".   I see it as a mark of childishness which always comes out when those sayin them have run out of gray matter to argue the facts.   I dont believe in the "god of tolerance" and i aint gonna bow down to he/she/it/whatever...  The fact is that everybody who is gay aint a gay jhadist; and every person of faith aint a "religous zealot".   This thread started as a commentary on not likin the youtube stance on the gay agenda.   That's ok with me; i dont happen to like it either.   What it has turned into is a pseudo-namecalling attack on those who see things differently than some other folks do.  Then we started the hippy "tolerance jhadists" thing.   I think it's laughable that the "tolerance police" are so intolerant.    There aint any words that i dont use; and there aint any "tolerance police" that i obey.  Neither should you.   If you dont like something; just state your case if its relevant.   Dont name-call.  It makes us all look collecively dumber and it never works with people who have good sense.    This picking and choosing of everything that comes down the road as a "civil rights -- human rights" issue does nothin but continue to "balkinize" our society and make it devolve even more into tribalism.  Tribalism is the exact opposite of republican democracy, and where tribalism wins the day, republican democracy is ultimately vanquished.   If this wasnt so serious, it would be funny.     I'm thru with my little rant now; my indignation is dropped back down to around room temperature.   I say folks ought to think a bit about this little rant and decide who they really are.  Do they believe in rational discussion or in namecalling?  I recommend the former rather than the latter.  The latter makes you look ignorant and childish.  Nobody looks good ignorant and childish.   leroy

I know that this is going to sound "radical" & "extreme" but how about restoring the Constitution as our nation's highest set of laws? It's really a no-brainer, if agents of the State (LEO/LEA's, NSA, IRS, TSA, DHS, etc) have no RS or PC to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance has been, is in progress, or is about to be committed, they leave citizens alone.

If nothing else he would be able to sue for monetary damages resulting from the dog scratching his car

There are plenty of examples of municipalities paying out because of lawsuits arising from civil rights violations by officers in cases like this. Also, I wonder what the odds are about a defense attorney being able to use this video as evidence to impinge upon the reliability of a RCSO K9 alert signal when trying suppress evidence that followed on from such an alert? The false positive alert is pretty damn flagrant in this video.

This wasn't any trouble or inconvenience for this guy. He set out to have this type of encounter with LEO. He's as happy as a pig in slop. 

Cliff's Notes:  Kid goes looking for trouble and finds it.

I think the biggest reason for a side saddle - in my opinion is to be able to do a quick slug changeover.  I keep my Benelli M4 stoked with 00 buck, and with one in the chamber and one on the elevator, it'll hold 9 rounds.  It's nice to be able to get the one out of the chamber and get a slug in quickly if for some reason the need should arise.  That opens up a lot of versatility that you might not have if you just grab the shotgun and assume what's in the tube is going to be appropriate for the situation.  Being able to quickly and effectively do quick slug changeovers really changes the platform.   With a 7 round saddle, I keep 3 slugs and 4 more rounds of 00 buck - this out of the old adage that if you aren't shooting a shotgun you should be feeding the shotgun.  It does add some weight, but I don't find that it affects balance.

I think every thing about both party's past should have been thrown in front of a jury. I still to this day can't figure out how in the hell do you get to pick and choose what you can discuss in court. If it's relevant , use it!   Dave

Regardless of how this trial works out, this mom will have to live with her actions that contributed to this tragedy.   TM had been suspended 3 times. Did she ground him? Take away his phone and computer? Did she go to the school and talk to the principal? Did she even know that they found jewelry and buglary tools in his locker? Wouldn't a responsible parent take some pretty strict steps then to show TM that his actions have consequences?   Did she know that TM had missed 53 days of school... 53 days!?  What would a responsible parent do if their child had missed 53 days of school?   The mom failed TM. The dad failed TM. The school failed TM by not teaching him that actions have consequences. What's really sad is that lots of other kids are being ignored the same way... and that will lead to disaster for a lot of them.

The first prison shootout on The Walking Dead was pretty horrible. Handguns AND rifles had absolutely no recoil yet Carol was rubbing her shoulder after the fight. Must have just be arthritis. That and the deputy taking the safety off of his Glock on the first episode.

Suspending the constitution, suspends the powers granted to whomever suspended the constitution.  Anything done by the government at that point is by it's very nature is an illegal act...     And our rights don't come from the constitution, and they can not be suspended legally by the government, because they existed before the government.    

From reading just that story, this should  be a criminal case. At least one Officer wrote in his report that they conspired to commit criminal acts. This was home invasion, false arrest, aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit all of the above. In reading the story I am unclear why they arrested the occupants or why the went to another house and arrested other family members.   If there is any truth to this story it should be investigated by the FBI. I wonder if the Clark County Sheriff or the State Police investigated any of this.

The problem is they can't find any evidence in the locker.

I read the Declaration of Independence to my wife today. She had never heard it read. There is power in hearing the words you don't get from just seeing them. it will be a new tradition for our family from here on out. She said that it seems to have been written for what is happening now The founders were pretty smart after all

"It's not the people who vote that counts, it's the people who count the votes" - Joseph Stalin.

Yeah. Screw that guy for exercising his second amendment right to Keep and BEAR arms. He should be a good little subject and keep all his firearms hidden like they are illegal or wrong or bad. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

For those who want to save 13 minutes of their life: It's a summary video of the major conspiracy theory principles   Oh, and buy gold

  WOW. Never would have thought to try that approach.   Now, for the record, I'm a former 911 Dispatcher. My approach is always to roll down, turn on the interior lights, and ask if they are having fun tonight. Adding that I've been on the other side of the radio of checkpoints and know how much "fun" they are. That's about as long as any of my stops have lasted.   On the other hand, the video in the OP demonstrates what I hope I never run into:   http://youtu.be/gx4jn77VKlQ

OP, I just traded a Sig 220 SAO .22Lr  with threaded and standard barrels for the most Accurate 1022 I have personally handled.  I also traded a SA/DA 220 .22lr, but for what I can't quite recall, oh yeah, another cool 1022:)     Anyway if I were going to get a Sig .22LR I would try and get a 220 SAO .22LR and try and get a threaded barrel with it, the threaded barrels are something like 235.00 by themselves.   Put a .45 X-change kit on that SAO 220 and you will be shooting circles around most 1911 .45ACP fanboys.

  And they sure got quiet after finding the camera.

  No. Appointed in 1999 by Jeb Bush.   - OS

Man they are doing a great job of deleting negative comments on the FB page.  :rofl:

My pet peeve is any movie where someone pulls a glock, m&p or any other striker fired gun and then you hear the distinct click of someone pulling the danged hammer back.

Here's an option to the traditional plastic side saddle.   http://www.ravenconcealment.com/modular-carriers/ammo-carriers/shotgun-shell-carriers/shotshell-carriers

And for the record, I wasn't trying to sound like an egotistical @#$%, just an honest question. ;)

TM did finally learn that actions have consequences

Well, mom didn't cry at all. She did claim the screams were from Trayvon.

I doubt they could get a warrant when no crime was committed.

Considering the militarization of police departments, how can one tell the difference betwixt the two anymore?

Go to Predator Custom in Knoxville and talk to Bob..I guarantee you ,you wont have a problem...   Karma is a bitch tho... I wouldnt worry to much about the other people. .Garbage in,Garbage out...simple:)

Take his money and shake hands. That's how i'd do it sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

Don't get me started...lol  As a Civil War historian and reenactor it burns my rear that we cannot fly the confederate flag in some places we go. It's not politically correct to a certain group of people. It's my heritage! If a couple certain groups of people can show their African flags, or Mexican flags...why not me? My Great Great Grandfather fought for the Confederacy and I'm damn proud of it!   Dave S

I love my child, so if he came home one day and said he was gay, that wouldn't change anything as far as my love for him is concerned. However, he would jump into that pool knowing that I simply could not support his decision to marry another man. I have made my views on the issue very clear to everyone in my family.   Love is a decision.

i wish citizens here saw The Big O in the same light as others in the world do.

This is such a huge deal, and no one cares.  Obama is on the wrong side of this one again.  As if it makes a difference that an Islamic extremist was freely elected or not.  Morsi was still a self admitted enemy of everything the west stands for, yet Obama celebrated his election.  Well, now the world realizes that Morsi was just as bad as we've always assumed him to be, he is out of power, and a secular organization once again has control of the reins.... yet the White House would have us believe this is a bad thing?  Seems to me THESE are the folks we should have been backing all along.   Obama should have egg all over his face, yet top new is something about a Kardashian.  At what point do the liberals come out and admit that Obama is in way over his head?  Geez, we can't go one week without an Obama scandal and/or disaster.  When Bush stepped on his crank the media wouldn't shut up about it..... now... crickets from the media.

unions and taxes are the biggest problem here.  correct both and you will have jobs at home.  

Let me give you some first hand experience on China Manufacturing.  Years ago, I use to be a direct material buyer in the automotive industry.  I was tasked to reduce cost like all buyers are.  I was directed by my manager to look at Chinese manufacturing for my particular commodity.  China's capability is great, but the cost model is what most people do not understand.  Unlike other countries, China is a communist country.  Very little enterprise is owned by individuals, but rather the government itself.  Anyway, the sales person I was working with shared with me the cost model.  Instead of preparing a quotation, he simply asked me what the purchase price needed to be, should it be 20% less, 30% less, 60% less than what I was currently paying in the States.  I asked why, he said it was customary for the government to discount the selling price for some period of time.  I took this as basically a government subsidized cost reduction.  This would hook you into their price, eroded or eliminate the former manufacturer in the States, and gradually increase your price over a course of 4-5 years.   So how can our suppliers in the states compete against this?   This taught me enough to keep working with my U.S. suppliers to find ways to lower cost.  However, this tactic will work providing my company's competitors never go to China.  Of course they will.   So will we.  It is very sad!   FYI - I call this the Apple Computer method.  The U.S. manufacturing model is to develop the item in the states, and then outsource the manufacturing to China.  As China grows into a manufacturing mecca (they are actually there already), the U.S. manufacturing is eroded and is falling behind, and never will be what it once was.  All we can do now is keep our development skills, and as long as we are a capitalist regime, the dream of becoming rich will always be there, thus driving innovation.  This innovation concept is not available in the Communist regime, very few people make it to the rich status.  No incentive, no development.

Well guys, I appreciate all the advice. Today I parted ways with a beloved Terzuola (don't worry I have another coming in a couple weeks) and purchased this: