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I could really care less about someone standing around in a walmart waiting to buy ammo to resell I have better things to do with my time if someone wants to do that fine with me I buy and sell every day I buy product when ever where ever I can find it but I don't stand around in walmart to do it I see people in Ashland city doing it every time I go to the super center more power to them I stocked up on 22 lr years ago when it was 65,00 per case if you didn't see the writing on the wall I am sorry life is not fair just because johnny has a new bike doesn't mean you should have one too if you are not willing to do the same work for it we do not need more govt regulation on ammo sales that's crazy we have enough of that heck if you need ammo that bad go into work late stop by walmart get some some of you know me and know I have given a lot of 22 ammo away in the past 6 months now is a great time to start reloading get you a 223 and load it for less than 22lr I have several reloading presses extra if you really need one let me know I will give it to you I want every one to shoot I like this form I want every body to get along some people are always going to try to profit from times like these cant be helped I have told 2 of my suppliers that I would not be buying anything from them anymore because of this just my 2 cents worth David

  You can make flat bread and beer with millet. Forged is inedible.

Maybe I look at our little community differently than some, but I'm surprised at the nerve of those who have been willing to advertise those kind of prices on TGO. Maybe it's because I've been an active member for quite some time, but I look at most of the members around here as an extended family. And I sure as hell couldn't bring myself to sell stuff to my family members at those prices.

My personal thoughts are that a POTUS can be any race, religion, orientation or whatever floats his boat provided he serves the people, is faithful to the United States Constitution, and doesn't go around making our global image any weaker than it already is. Obama has done the exact opposite of what a POTUS is supposed to do. I don't dislike him for being Muslim, I hate him for being a POS POTUS.

Monkeylizard's explanation is spot on.   Buying up the Wallyworld 22LR bricks with no intent other than reselling them at a gouged price is kind of the same as throwing a box of roofing nails in the road and setting up a temporary road side tire repair business. Seems shady to me. How would you feel as a customer at the "tire repair stand" if you found out the guy running it threw out the nails?    I would say that none of these "re-sellers" are legitimate businesses. Walmart is a legitimate business that sells to the end user. They are not a wholesale distributor but are selling retail to the public. These "re-sellers" are inserting themselves in between Walmart and the public as a middle man.   I have learned that you can take about anything and find that there will be somebody that has found a crooked way to make money off of it.   Years ago I would just pick up a brick every once in a while at Walmart whether I needed it or not but when there is not any on the shelf or it is too high I just don't buy any. I still have an adequate stock from what I bought over the years. Hopefully this situation will level off. If there was 1,000 bricks of it on the shelf the re-sellers would pack up and go home and start looking for a new game. Kind of like a parasite looking for a new host.

  Drugs I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sXxT0Ny2zI

Well I haven't been buying any at all. I won't contribute to the nonsense other than buying ammo from a dealer when it's available. I'd rather not shoot than line the pockets of some POS trying to profit from market panic.

It's over and over and over again. Quit complaining if your buying it , quit buying it if your complaining. The ammo is out there , get it as cheap as you can , if you can't find it at a reasonable cost , don't buy it. Yes , when the scalpers can sell it for a profit they will continue to do so. Only when scalping prices cease to sell will the scalping stop. Wish it was that easy .........

Army veteran fighting to get ‘INF1DL’ license plate  

That's alright. That just means the funnel cake line won't be too long.

I don't care if he stuck is head into the window of the police car and told the LEOs that he just got done banging their wives. It appears the LEOs abused their authority and got away with it.

And basically this is the reason why we don't have a true "free market" in our society.  It's not possible to have a completely unregulated "free market" as long as we have sellers who are considered unethical and consumers are considered to be acting unwisely, and that is a reason to regulate the market.   What I do see here going on is the free market at work.  The opportunist who is being marked as unethical is being called out by more informed consumers who will educate other consumers and stop supporting the unethical seller.  This loss of support will discourage unethical practices in the future by hurting the seller's bottom line or drive them out of business.  Those sellers who foolishly spent panic prices on guns, ammo, magazines, etc. will eat the loss and learn from it.  The manufacturers who did not have adequate production capacity or product on reserve will adapt by producing more or keeping more stock on hand in the future.  Griping about price gougers and criticizing them is not anti-free market. IT IS the free market.   The only time I am in favor of some degree of governmental regulation is during times of emergency when people need stuff to survive.  Even then, I am somewhat leery because high prices for gas and fuel do help prevent people from wasting those resources and/or hoarding them.  In those cases, I think rationing is perhaps more important than controlling gouging.  Let the prices rise to an extent and keep people from using their wealth and/or wastefulness to take more than they need thus preventing others from having access to that necessary resource.  What that magic formula is, I can't claim to know.

im down for the moon war as long as it happens before im too old

Two years ago I would shoot at least a brick as week. And if I was in the mood to shoot I would shoot that in a day. I have not shot a brick since the first of the year. I have a new 22 that I have shot about 50 times and that is likely all it will be shot until I can walk into Walmart, or some other retailer, and buy a brick or two. And because I cannot shoot as much as I used to I know I am loosing a perishable skill and that skill is what I will use to protect my family. Make no mistake, pulling the trigger on anything helps maintain skills more so than not pulling the trigger at all.   I have even considered buying a pellet pistol to be able to practice proper sight picture.   So these people buying up all the ammo are keeping me from practicing or at least practicing without a lot of cost or effort. I can shoot my centerfire handloads loaded with my cast bullets but that is a lot of labor to be able to practice when I should be able to shoot 22's.

CZ9MM,   What you're missing is that the sellers (or re-sellers to be accurate) are manipulating the supply to drive that equilibrium price up.   Scenario: You and I are the entire buying (demand side) market and we each want some ammo, let's say 2 bricks of .22 each. A store called Wally's represents the entire supply side of the market.   Week 1 - Wally's is happy to sell those to us for $20 each. They know through market research that they can sell them for $25 each, but will sell fewer. They're a low-margin, high-volume store so they set the price at $20. They have one in stock, and should have some more in next week. I get there first, so I buy the brick at $20 and you get none.   Week 2 - I still want another brick and you still want two. You get the brick for $20 'cause you get there first, and we both have a little something to shoot, but we'll have to wait until next week when they expect a larger shipment of 3 bricks to show up to top off our supplies. We'll each plan to get our last brick and there'll be one left for later. Fantastic, right?   Week 3 - When the truck unloads at Wally's a fellow, (we'll call him BBJ) buys all 3 bricks before we can get there leaving the shelf bare. Now BBJ doesn't want to shoot them. For all we know, he doesn't even have a .22 firearm. He tells us in the parking lot that he'll gladly sell us each a box for $50. We say "screw you" and go back to shooting our remaining boolits from our 1st brick.   Week 4 - Wally's gets another couple of bricks in, but whaddayaknow, our old friend BBJ has scooped up both boxes and again offers to sell them for $50 in the parking lot. Now this time, you and I are getting pretty low on our supply and could really use that extra brick, but comeonman! $50? ain't gonna happen so we go home empty handed again.   Week 5 - Wally's doesn't get any on the truck. that's kind of normal for Wally's. Every week doesn't always bring in more .22 because some weeks there's still some sitting around from prior shipments.   Week 6 - 2 bricks arrive and BBJ snakes them both. You and I are both totally out from our 1st bricks. Want to buy some for $50 yet? Sorry...you can't.....this week our buddy BBJ wants $75 a brick.   Week X - Week Y repeat ad nauseum.   So when I finally break down and buy one brick from the asshole, does that mean that $75 is the equilibrium price? Keep in mind that the actual supply to the market from the manufacturer has not changed. Wally's still gets its customary weekly shipment just as it always has.   What about when our neighbor, Mr. Newb, gets a new .22 rifle and needs some ammo for it? This would normally be an honest increase in the demand side. But Mr. Newb heard on the news that maybe the UN, or Obama, or the EPA or Ronald McDonald is going to ban .22 so he goes to get some from Wally's. Finding none for weeks on end, he panics and buys from BBJ. Does that make $75 the new market equilibrium price?   Supply and Demand economics is based on the principle of free flow of product and cash between the maker of a product and a consumer of a product. Prices are bumped up somewhat by a value-added supply chain. Winchester wants to sell 1,000,000 rounds at a time and will sell them for $.03 each and you have to pick them up at their factory. You and I only want to buy 1,000 at a time and can't/won't drive to their factory. Wally's buys the million rounds and resells them in smaller lots closer to us. They add value by doing this for us and we reward them with an extra $.01 per round.   What BBJ is doing is not adding any value. The lot size, location, and product are exactly the same as how Wally's delivered them. Winchester still got their $.03 per round and Wally's made their $.01 per round. BBJ is manipulating the supply by monopolizing it as best he can. He's also manipulating the demand by starving the market of its usual supply to increase the feeling of panic amongst the consumers. That is NOT free-market enterprise. It's price-fixing market-manipulation at its worst.

Costco doesn't like my gun being in their store so this one is a no brainer for me.

  Red highlighted emphasis is mine.  THAT is the key difference.  You've sold what you already had, for whatever reason.  Be it you changed calibers, got rid of a gun entirely, whatever... it was yours already and you had no need for it.   The people I take issue with are the ones who clean out entire ammo supplies at stores to capitalize on "market panic".  They buy it from Wal-Mart or some other retailer and then dole it back out to people for a premium price because those people feel hostage to the situation.  It's morally and ethically wrong.  Benton offered up the sort of gouging that happened in Nashville during the flood a few years back as evidence that he's not guilty of gouging.  I say hogwash.  It's the same damn thing.   When a buying public feels that they have no alternative but pay an artificially inflated price for an item that the seller either partially or wholly controls the supply of, through nefarious means, then that seller is guilty of gouging.   I'm seriously teetering on the edge of actually wanting more government involvement in ammo sales as a result of this crap.

Problem with the logic in this thread is that there are buyers at the prices you consider "gouging". As with any product, so long as there are buyers at a given price there will be sellers. I have watched the price of a bulk pack of .22 drop over the last few I months from close to $100 down to around $40-50. That tells me that the buyer pool is drying up and those "gougers" will be out of the game shortly. Now, had these people not been buying up every box of .22 available we still would not have it on the shelves. The same people that are paying $60+ a box would have been right there to collect it off the truck at every retailer in the area. Very simply, if you don't like the price then don't buy from that person/business. But no reason to get all bent out of shape over it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

To continue the "war on terror", which basically means to continue and expand the various anti constitutional programs, they need a credible enemy. If the threat were gone, people would be a lot more vocal about the various abuses and power grabs, and before you know it the money and contracts would dry up. Can't have that, now, can we?

What ever happened to all that "free market" talk?  I guess it only works when you're gouging but not when you get called out on it in front of everyone.  Free market goes both ways.  You can buy up all the supply and make a few bucks, but people absolutely have the right so throw your sorry ass under the bus.

  No one cares.  Worry about your own affairs.  What he does with things he bought and paid for are his business, not yours.   I'm giving you 5-days of not being able to post to think on it some.  Attacking your fellow members won't be tolerated here.

My baby brother just got promoted to Chief Petty Officer in the Navy. I thought long and hard about what to get him to commemorate the occasion and came up with this. The first pic is the Chief Petty Officer's Emblem and the second pic is his rate (Explosive Ordnance Disposal Master Technician). The grips are Hogue Extreme Aluminium in matte black (26160). He carries a P226 for "work" so I thought he would enjoy these grips. The gun is mine for reference. I also need to give a shout out to Joe at Designz By You in Bell Buckle, TN for doing an excellent job on the laser engraving.

I don't know if this is an act of repentance or not, but it seems Bob Corker has finally realized he's hitched his wagon to a dimming star.  Although he still believes Obama is "very good in an interpersonal setting," the junior senator from Tennessee expresses disappointment over how his hero has handled the Syrian issue as commander-in-chief.  Yes, senator....I feel the same way about you as a voice for us.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxxFk8UwhYM#t=97

  Jeez, I need access to your thesaurus!   Saying that though, note that "fell" should be "feel" and "compliant" should be "complaint". :)   - OS

  LOL....Damn you now I am awake.

It would certainly be okay with me (not that I have any say-so)...these threads are a bit tiresome....I mean...what more is there to say?

2000 TJ for me. OME lift and a little armor is all I've added. Drive it to work every day - and not on the train often enough for me!   And I'm a member at tnjeeps. Its another great place to find things to spend your money on...

Don't turn loose of that 4.0. I'd take one of those over either the 3.8 or the new 3.6L "Pentastar" engine. The 4.0 might be old tech, but it's a proven workhorse. My 2012 JKU does alright with the 3.6 and it's a huge step up from the 3.8... but I'd take an old 4.0 I6 in a heartbeat. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2

I have an 05 Wrangler 4.0. 3" OME susp. lift with 3.73's and 32" tires. Nothing fancy but I like it. Even serves as a makeshift shooting bench.

I am in.   Planning on 2 lowers/2 uppers.(depending on the final prices.) I will wait on my PM for the final price.   Thanks for the effort.   I look forward to maybe some group builds as these will by my first.   (Oak Ridge Area) if it helps on deciding on FFLs Knoxville is reasonable, depends when they are available as I will be going to Middle TN once in Oct and Once in Nov. So I am sure one of the 6 of so will work fine for me.

If I followed someone into a restaurant to confront them over something they did/didn't say to me in a parking lot and during the confrontation I pushed them, like that young cop did, I'd expect to be charged with battery.

I think this is one of those many issues where opinions/what people are used to/what they've always done/what they've always been told, etc. etc. are all more important than anything else.   I'm very comfortable with an 5.56 rifle as my primary/first choice for home defense in the event that a thug or thugs break into my home. It's my first choice for a variety of what I believe are factual, logical reasons. If someone else is convinced that a shotgun or a pistol is better, so be it!  :wave:

No problem but why not just lock the loaded gun in the lockbox?

Exactly. This same formula can be applied for just about any business that practices in legal, yet unethical business. It's why many gun stores go out of business; they do something shady, word gets around in a small community and that's the end of that. Gougers should expect the same. Don't like it? Well then don't gouge.

Upper and a lower for me please. 

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

Absolutely, I'd like to see if the moon exploded, if it is actually made of cheese or not.

For all the Obama policies I disagree with, bombing the moon seems to be the most rational thing to do by comparison.

  Couldn't find them on their web site. Good question. I'm not interested in building a rifle with a billet lower and forged upper. I just assumed they would be billet too.

Care to share the specs/details on that?

Huh? This is satire. Some of you folks need to get out more.

This is surprising to me as they were posted 2 weeks ago... Costco founder is a liberal d-bag. There are enough liberals getting money from me via taxes. I don't need to willingly give them money. However, I agree that Costco is nicer. Mark

Her actual snooty e-mail and his smack down reply is PRICELESS! Thanks for posting this. I'm afraid the liberal migrations are what will eventually succeed in continually "watering down" the remaining free states. But we've got to keep up the good fight to at least slow the "social cancer".

Neither one of them will get my vote when their time is up. The Rino is long past being voted out and should have been gone long ago. Corker has not been in long but has walked in Lamars footsteps instead of his own which tells me he is a follower and not a leader so he has to go too.......jmho

  Hope she doesn't decide Tenn. is the place to land!

  Fuck the Democrats!

Sales tax only has to be paid once.  So long as you're paying tax when you buy this stuff to turn around and sell it again, you should not collect sales tax from the person buying it from you.   Sooner or later the BATFE is going to get involved in this practice and the rest of us are going to suffer as a result of it.  Currently buying a firearm to flip a firearm is illegal.  It's only a matter of time that they make it the same for ammo, and likely because of opportunistic weasels who are cleaning out retailers to sell it again at a mark-up.   Honestly, I think what you're doing is beyond unscrupulous.  People like you make it hard for others to buy ammo at realistic, fair-market prices, for the sake of protecting themselves or training regularly to be better at it.  You're not buying and selling a commodity, you're buying and selling a means of self defense at a marked-up price because you happen to be able to haunt the retail locations and clean them out while other people are attending to other things.  In this case I am torn between not wanting the government any more involved in Second Amendment issues than they already are, and wanting to see them clean your clock.   The road to hell is certainly paved with nickels and dimes.

Here are a couple more pictures. The blade is D2 (if memory serves) and the handles are titanium. Its just a regular old frame lock. Two pieces of titanium and a piece of steel. The blade rides on bearings. Very simple knife but very nice!

  In the gun world that can't be more true.  From an ammunition standpoint I don't think very many appreciate just how few domestic manufacturers there are (and who owns them).  What would happen if a fire or some other disaster struck the Federal plant?  What if the importation of ammunition was banned?  What about future taxation?   Our "hobby" is built on a house of cards.