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Yeah. One time at Home Depot, I got made by a teenage girl, who went through a series of pantomimes to tell me she could see my gun. After ignoring her for about 5 rounds, I walked off, with my zipper still down. True story.

its not that it goes away, but that it reverses.... after a bit you feel worried when you don't carry.

[quote name="Law of Self Defense" post="1165045" timestamp="1404425327"]Hey folks, I was reviewing recent TN self-defense cases for my Memphis and Nashville seminars next weekend, and I came across an interesting one from just this past May that I thought those of you in the Volunteer State might find interesting. The case is [i]Jarvis v. State[/i], 2014 Tenn. Crim. App. LEXIS 453 (TN Ct. App. 2014), and it is interesting because it involves a facet of self-defense law that TN shares with only a few other states. All of us are, of course, aware of the fact that we’re responsible for every round that comes out of our PDW. TN is one of the few states that formalizes that responsibility in statute, specifically in [font='times new roman']39-11-604, Reckless injury of innocent third person.” That statute provides that:[/font] [font='times new roman']In [i]Jarvis[/i], the defendant was engaged with gunfire by an attacker driving away in a car. The defendant retrieved his own gun from his vehicle, and returned fire. [/font] [font='times new roman']Unfortunately, one of the defendant’s rounds went awry and struck an unlucky fellow by the name of Willard Ross who was working a fireworks sale as the backstop to defendant’s fire. I guess things could have gotten REALLY dramatic, but in any case the fellow who was struck died of his wounds.[/font] [font='times new roman']At trial the defendant was up on a wide variety of charges, and he raised a legal defense of self-defense. Of particular interest here was the murder charge he faced for the death of the poor Mr. Ross.[/font] [font='times new roman']On that particular charge he was found guilty of the murder of Mr. Ross, and sentenced to 25 years. [/font] [font='times new roman']The defendant didn’t fare much better on his other charges, but it’s important to note that this murder conviction was not at all dependent on the others—even had he been fully acquitted of the other charges on the bases of self-defense, his reckless shooting of Mr. Ross would have been denied legal justification under 39-11-604.[/font] [font='times new roman']So, in every state we’re at least theoretically responsible for every round we fire, even in purported self-defense. But TN really puts some teeth in that admonition.[/font] [font='times new roman']I didn’t hyperlink the case here in this post because I’m not sure about the rules for such things on this forum, but anyone who is interested can find a hyperlinked version of this post on my blog, with a link to the full-text of the court decision.[/font] [font='times new roman']Have a safe and happy Fourth of July, everyone, and I look forward to seeing a bunch of you next weekend and Rangemaster, Nashville Armory—or, heck, both! [/font][font=wingdings]J[/font] [font='times new roman']--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense[/font][/quote] Just so everyone is tracking, I recall this shooting. It was a big deal here in Clarksville. Both sides were gangbangers and all involved had a record. They turned a Walmart parking lot into their own personal shooting gallery. The result was a retired teacher being MURDERED. He was murdered because a bunch of drug dealing thugs forgot to keep their business in the ghetto, where they normally shoot at each other. This has nothing to do with self defense. The man who returned fire was illegally in possession of the weapon in the first place and was wildly shooting in a parking lot full of mothers and children at a car that was well out of range. Trying to represent this as an issue for lawful carriers is absolutely ridiculous. I also believe this is a backdoor way to advertise your seminar without having to pay any site fees. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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It's made from 1084 carbon steel 5/32" thick. Total length is just over 11 1/2" with a blade length of about 5 1/2". It's shape makes it a Wharncliffe and has sculpted G10 blue scales with zombie green liners. The scales are fastened with epoxy and corby rivets. The design you see in the blade is deep etched into the steel the the entire blade was etched save the edge. It has the "caveman look" on the spine and at the butt of the knife. There is large but gentle jimping added as well. I had a blast making this knife...lots of time and details went into this thing. It's very sharp and the point on it will stick you. Ask me how I know.

You were able to have a conversation with him and the words "FEMA camp" and "MRAP" didn't come up?? I call BS!

I wouldn't put it past those organizations either, but these people do exist, and they tend to look like these idiots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They are everywhere.   Seems like everyone is a tactical expert in some way or another these days. It is like a modern gold rush with everyone trying to get their piece of the tactical training pie that is getting bigger and bigger every year. And every time I see a new one pop up in my area I check them out. The vast majority should not be teaching at all because they have no clue other than a course they took themselves and now think to themselves "Hey I can teach this stuff". The vast majority were never in the military and those that were in the military were not Special Forces, MARSOC, SEALS, PJ's or anything else like that, they were regular guys like mechanics or truck drivers or cooks. Not knocking anyone who has served but just being in the military, other than SOF or CAG etc, hardly makes anyone enough of an expert to be teaching others tactics. Then there are those who flat out lie about who they are and what experience they have just to get some of the money that is to be made. There are so many phonies and imposters out there it boggles the mind. Some of the fakes are very well known and were just able to market themselves really well (Pat Rogers or Ben Thomas).   We had a guy on this end of the state that was teaching. Enjoyed making a lot of money in his HCP classes but it turned out to be he was never licensed to do the classes and was just taking people's hard earned money. After he got caught he said it was a preparation course for the real HCP classes. And the hundreds of people who had attended his class, and paid good money, had to pay another "instructor" to get their HCP.   I am all for people getting the training but make sure to really research the person who is teaching. The classes are EXPENSIVE and the last thing you want to do is spend your hard earned money only to be disappointed by what was taught or to feel duped. Never trust anyone when it comes to your money or safety, verify it on your own.

Every time I check TGO it costs me more money... :-) Thanks for sharing. With that low of a price it's cheaper than shooting 22 lr... ;-)

Well once those open carrying are done with Target they will move onto another retailer and the next retailer might just ban us. Personally I will be writing Target and thanking them for their stance because even though I do not shop there by not banning firearms on their property they are at least not against us.

  It is probably a carbine length gas system not mid length. Mid length is between a carbine and rifle length gas system. I seriously doubt a 300 Blackout will run reliably with a mid length gas system. Carbine length gas systems are sometimes referred to as the "medium" length gas system because it is between pistol length and rifle length but a "midlength" is between "carbine" and "rifle".   *************************************************************************************************** The 300 Blackout does two things well and those things are firing a lightweight bullet really fast and firing a really heavy bullet slow. And with both ends of the spectrum it reliably cycles an AR. Now the midweight bullets work and reliably cycle but they are not where this caliber shines.    As far as popularity it will never be as popular as 223 or 308. But what makes it so popular is the ability to suppress it and I mean truly suppress it. A suppressed 223 that cycles is LOUD while a subsonic, suppressed 300 Blackout is extremely quiet and it still cycles the gun. You can use several different types of suppressors for it as well, a full size 30 caliber can all the way up to a can designed for a 45 ACP. And it seems as though all work extremely well with subsonic ammuntion.   Personally I like it better than 223 because I can easily cast for it and then shoot those cast bullets at subsonic velocities, can't do that with a 223 AR. It is also the cheapest caliber to get brass for because you can use 223 to make brass and not have to buy some sort of proprietary brass. I have said before that this is my "end of the world" caliber because it is so easy to cast for and because it can fill so many roles. I can use 00 buck balls, that weigh 55 grains, seated over 5 grains fo trail Boss to take squirrels or I can load up a 245 grain cast bullet and have a gun with 44 magnum energy levels while being quieter than a slingshot or I can launch a 110 grain bullet at 2,400 fps that is as capable as any 223 or 7.62x39. And one of the reasons it is so popular is being able to have AK type performance out of an AR and I honestly believe because you are using a heavier bullet the AR ends up being more reliable as long as the gun is properly built.   I don't think it will ever be a mainstream caliber but as far as a caliber that will be around for a long time I think it will be. Why do I think it will be around for a long time? Because the first iteration of it was in the 50's and it is still used by some today. The second iteration was in the 80's with the 300 Whisper or 30/221 calibers developed by JD Jones and it was extremely popular in both AR's and bolt guns. Even today there are more 300 Whisper guns on the market than the 300 Blackout. And the 300 Whisper and the 300 blackout are identical for the most part but because JD Jones demanded royalties it never really took off and that is why the 300 Blackout has become popular, the developer released it to anyone who wanted to make anything for it.   Load data and loaded ammunition between 300 Whisper and 300 Blackout are interchangeable. And one interesting note is the 300 Whisper used a 10 twist with great success and not the 8, 7 or 6.5 twists you will find in the 300 Blackout. I have 10, 8.5 and 8 twist guns and by far the most accurate is the 10 twist. The 10 twist will also stabilize my 245 grain cast bullets and be accurate while doing it. But the faster twists are needed for safety because of the popularity of suppressors in the last decade.   Three years ago I was about as anti 300 Blackout as they come. I was spouting off it could not do anything more than a 223. Then I decided to build a bolt gun and then I was converted. Since then I have built two AR's (still have one), a Savage rifle, a Savage Striker which is a bolt action pistol (sold it), I also have a T/C Contender pistol in the caliber as well as a T/C Encore rifle with a threaded 16" barrel. So for me it is my "forever" caliber and everything I buy now starts out with the question "will this work with my 300 Blackout?".   I have seen factory ammo at Walmart and Academy Sports so it is out there but the problem is there are so many other calibers that are more profitable for the ammunition manufacturers. They are not going to shut down a million dollar line to start up a $100K line. It is kind of a vicious circle because the guns are not popular because ammunition is not available and ammunition is not available because the guns are not popular. I think if ammunition manufacturers were to make more ammunition then that would lead to more guns being sold and in turn more ammunition being sold. I think it is ammunition manufacturers that are holding back the guns popularity.

Guess I will be going to Papa Murphy's from now on. Saw the gun buster sign on the door on Papa Johns. In Mt Juliet today. Even my wife and son were on board with taking our business elsewhere. I understand its their right to run their business as they see fit and I can respect that while refusing to spend a dime there.

   I think they'd taste better if they'd bake them like all the other chains instead of serving them raw.   - OS

My two cents. For those of you who know me personally and have seen our previous BIG BLACK VAN. I screamed of please pull me over and harass me. Lots of tattoos and a very suspicious off road attack vehicle looking blacked out van.   Anyways, I was pulled over 6 times in the first 3 months of living in TN and every time I informed the officer that I was a card holder and was armed and what position the weapon was at. EVERY stop went very well and even got  a few welcome to TN and even one "I am sorry for pulling you over".   Long story short on that one. NV plate that has the "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign on it is part black and part white. He pulled me over to having a "broken" incomplete tag.  I let him know I was armed and had permits from several states that TN honors. He had me step out to show me and I pointed out that it was not broken but a 50/50 split in color and the look on his face was priceless! He was very apologetic and sent me on my way.    The last time I was  stopped was for a headlight out. It had went out that day and didn't have time to change it and I was still working at D&T Arms. We closed the shop and headed home. Had lots of ammo, 2 AR's several hand guns and my FN FAL in the back. Got stopped by metro and did as usual inform of card holder and  of  every weapon I had in the suv and the officer was very nice and never once gave me a lick of trouble about the arms I had in back of my Tahoe he said get it fixed and back to the house I went.    I know we are not obligated to inform. But for me it makes that stop go so much easier!

How did you read that out of anything he wrote?

I wish I did think it was the anti's.  Unfortunately, I firmly believe these people are just that stupid.  

Now the 7.62x25 Tokarev is an amazing round. It is one of only a handful of pistol calibers that can defeat a kevlar helmet. It defeat steel and glass better than most other calibers. And being a bottle neck cartridge the reliability will be a lot higher. And magazine capacities are the same as with 9mm. Imagine a modern defensive pistol loaded with 16 rounds of 7.62x25 Tokarev, I think it would outperform 95% of all other calibers out there. If someone would produce a modern handgun in the caliber I would buy it immediately and start carrying it.   If adopted by the Army it would also eliminate the biggest complaint of the 45 and that is the fact females can shoot it just as well as males. That was the biggest reason why the Army adopted the 9mm, females were complaining about not being able to shoot the 1911 as well as males and therefore affected qualification, promotions etc.   What is even more amazing is the 7.62x25 Tokarev has been in existence for at least 75 years in its current form. And as the 30 Mauser it is close to 100 years old.   I am probably the biggest fan of the caliber and I am honestly surprised you cannot buy a modern handgun in the caliber.

They should adopt the M45A1 and piss the Marine Corps off.   They should go back to the 45 ACP if they are going to keep using FMJs. And personally, regardless of caliber, they should use some sort of expanding bullet.

  I'm still not so sure that a lot of these OC Morons are actually planted there by Pipsqueaks and Mommies Against Icky Guns. If that's the case, they're not morons. They're highly effective. I wouldn't put it past the man with the tiny one, or his Mommies.

Let's be honest here. Carbine classes, tactical training, etc. arefor the vast majority of participants nothing more than a fantasy camp for the gun crowd. Very much in the same vein as a football fantasy camp where you get to spend a weekend working out and scrimmaging with a couple of over the hill NFL second stringers.

It took awhile to become completely comfortabe to carry a pistol.  Time and finding a good holster will contribute much to becoming comfortable.

[quote name="Law of Self Defense" post="1165197" timestamp="1404478224"]Well, the trial court disagreed, and it was (always is) fully within the court's discretion to disallow an argument of self-defense if the defendant fails to meet his burden of production. But you knew that, I'm sure. --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense[/quote] Disagreed with what? He was a felon, a gang member and a drug dealer. I don't much care what the court says. You're attempting to parallel the case of this bottom feeder with actual, law abiding citizens. You think his record played no role in his conviction? Of course the defense can make a compelling argument for why this person was illegally in possession of a firearm due to fear for his life. He's a gangbanging drug dealer. Violent death is an occupational hazard. Seriously though, you've only come here in the past to peddle your book and now you're trying to peddle your seminar. Meanwhile, there are vendors here who have to pay for that. Nobody wants your snake oil. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I remember the 1st walk in 1995, very nervous.  Today, 19 years later, nothing, and naked when I don't carry!

Nobody notices that you're carrying. In time you won't care if they did notice anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't see 39-11-604 having any "teeth," in that it only codifies the idea that a person cannot use self-defense in relation to someone who was not attacking the defendant. It certainly doesn't make someone more responsible that he would be otherwise. This case looks like an aberration for several reasons: 1. The defendant did not have a HCP and was convicted for being armed; 2. Self-defense wasn't effective anyway because the jury convicted him of attempted murder of the person who shot at him; 3. It appears the defendant, and/or his buddy, had some involvement in starting the confrontation (which juries don't like in TN); and 4. He was shooting at someone who was driving away from him, and doing it in a crowded parking lot around 1pm. Taken together, I am not at all surprised by the verdict. The defendant was clearly reckless and unconcerned for the well-being of innocent people. If the facts were different (for example, the mall shooting mentioned by LP), the outcome might have been different. However, I certainly agree that people need to be aware of the surroundings before using deadly force. The degree of responsibility that goes with using deadly force is much higher than many people think (or understand).

It's hilarious how the over-zealous nutjobs on OUR side are causing us more trouble lately than the over-zeolous nutjobs on THEIR side. WTF good can come of toting rifles into a big box retail store to cause a scene...just because you can?

Target says, "Look you retards! From now on, if you show up with an AR-15, we will throw your ass out". Carry on.

You mean they don't use .380?

I like Papa Murphy's better anyway.

Hopefully that doesn't apply to their drivers cause they need to carry.

If they aren’t fit for duty handguns are destroyed. I’ve heard rumors that M14’s and M16’s have been converted to semi-auto and donated to Police Departments. But I don’t know that for sure. Although the M4 is more desirable the M16 is still a functional battle rifle (if you are okay with .223), we (taxpayers) paid for those M16’s and the government should be required to keep them in the event we would need them, as long as they are functional and safe.

Yes you were, and I accept your apology.

I don't know why the ever moved away from the 45 ACP. Stupid does as stupid is I guess. The 45 worked for them very well for many years. "If it ain't broke you don't fix it."............................jmho      Then there is always the 7.62x25 like the Russian Tokarev .....................jmho

Thanks just got 4

  Each day at target is a differnt department clearance day Old items/discontinued models/items removed from their catalog get marked wayyy down.Clearance starts at about 15% and can go as high as 90% - each 2-3 weeks sees the next price drop.   If you want to shop their clearance, or just know what day to hit the store to find markdowns here's a link. Most target's follow that schedule, afaik.   If you/your other half shops there semi-regularly - that site is frequented by some of the "ultra-couponers".   I learned about it on slickdeals.net - I don't shop at target, but was amazed at the organization of a site devoted just to target. Guess some people love their "french emporium".

Looks like someone left a 1911 and a Springfield XD alone and that is the offspring.

[quote name="Jonnin" post="1165195" timestamp="1404476792"]its not that it goes away, but that it reverses.... after a bit you feel worried when you don't carry.[/quote] This is me. It's not that my carry weapon is a crutch, but it's became just like my keys, wallet, etc.

So true, I used to pull and tug on my shirt to keep mine covered, but now it's like if you see it so what.

Nothing earth shattering but it's something that might interest someone. I bought some of those Velcro cable wrap things a while back but never really got around to what I was going to do with them. I was messing around with something else today and ended up cutting the end off of one. [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/gjohnsoniv/media/0702141824a_zpsfzfua4a2.jpg.html] [/URL] Realized it made a nice little channel for a knife clip. Used the rest of the organizer to wrap over that to hold the bottom of the knife down. [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/gjohnsoniv/media/0702141824_zpscusqqqng.jpg.html][/URL] [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/gjohnsoniv/media/0702141824b_zpsdecov52f.jpg.html][/URL] Obviously you could clip a knife on a pocket or something but if you have a large Velcro field somewhere where you wanted to stick a knife this might help.

Looks like I will be there and shoot a little CDP. Man its been a while since I wore a vest. Expecting a few procedurals.

I just want to take this opportunity to say that I feel really blessed to have very competent legal minds as a part of this board that speak in a way that even I can understand. Just another reason I like TGO. As for the case, any outcome would not surprise me. Self defense is questionable at best in that situation.

Personally I think it should be the same as when people die during the commission of a crime and that is the person who initiated the criminal act should be charged with any injuries or deaths, including fellow criminals. After all, but for the criminal's actions no one would have gotten hurt. A innocent person trying to defend his life should not have to worry about the legal ramifications and should only be worried about coming out the other end of the alercation.

  Well, let's hope so, fer Pete's sake.  Otherwise, they're trynna keep me outta er'where.  I get my baby's food from Tarjhay...  sometimes.   You can have my chainsaw when you pry it from my cold, dead, partially fingerless hands!

I would not have a problem with background checks but for the fact that they want the serial number and description of the firearms. This is not checking out purchasers records. This is forming the ground work for a gun registry one day.

125 grain Nosler ballistic tips are your friend. It's gonna hit about like a 30-30

It sucks, but Target and these other businesses are being backed into a corner... Kwikly.   :pleased:

Here's the thing, in reality, they did nothing at all. They did the exact same thing as Starbucks and Chipotle. They released a statement asking customers to leave their guns at home. The focus of which is directed at asshats like Open Carry Texas and others walking around with rifles. What is important to take note of is what they didn't do.(just like Starbucks and Chipotle) That is post their locations against carry. Moms Demand Action From Bloomberg gets to crow about a victory while normal folks will continue to go about their business and carry into Target like we always have before. Target gets to go about their business of selling stuff to folks who don't like going to Walmart instead of being used as a pawn by both sides of a debate they couldn't give a shit about. If we 2A folks really want to do ourselves a favor we would stop dragging innocent 3rd parties into it. This isn't a zero sum, with us or against us fight. Let MDAFB make asses of themselves instead of helping them accomplish their goals by being egotistical dickwads. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Target, Chipotle, Chili's, Starbucks - all have "respectfully" requested that patrons not bring firearms inside. No bans; no posting signs, nothing. So, really, nothing has changed. My theory is that they did what they did to get the Moms Who Don't Get Any Action off their backs, and it worked like a charm. Let them think they've won. They're more likely to underestimate us.

  I see it as the greatest advance since possessing a loaded firearm became illegal in the first place. Unlike the HCP it's a nod to actual constitutional carry -- even though it's still once removed from carry on the person it's the first actual universal carry freedom in public of any kind since 1870.   - OS