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Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

You seem to be taking this thread awefully hard. I'd say this has remained really quite civil. You should seriously check out some of the gay threads if you think this is bad.

Was there at 9. Left at 11. Miserably hot and humid. ' Nuf said.

two wrongs don't make a right.   Just because Illinois is messed up does not mean TN has to be.   Just sayin

I met the old road manager for The Rolling Stones at a bar. The guy told me he had a cock that hung below his knee and wanted to know if I wanted to see it. I was quite reluctant to say yes so I said nothing as he rolled up his pants leg and there was a chicken on a rope tattooed on his leg ...... It was Phil Kaufman and he gave me a signed copy of his book Road Mangler Deluxe , actually a very colorful and delightful person.

I’m sure you tried to tell him like it is. People judge you on your looks.....they get to do that. If you know you won’t ever care then it’s a non-issue. I have a tat on my forearm I got in the military. I called in the early 80’s to see about having it removed. They told me I would have to come in for a consultation. I asked how much that would be and they said $400. I said “$400 for you to tell me how much it will cost to remove it?” They said yes. I still have it.

Yes. I would risk my life and the lives of all those I served with to avenge or rescue even one American held captive or murdered by a rogue regime. You try to measure this by amounts of lives and ignore the intangibles. The murder of Americans by foreign governments and extremists going unanswered only makes us look weak and invites that behavior from other regimes. The bully on the playground doesn't stop when he senses weakness; he is only emboldened by it. Plus, as a matter if honor, an attack on an American simply for being an American is an attack on all of us. You may not see it that way, but know that if it were you being held and awaiting slaughter, I would absolutely risk death to come liberate you. This isn't something measured in lives. If that were so we would look at everything from that perspective. Why go after Japan when they bombed Pearl Harbor? They only killed 3,000 Americans. How many Americans did we lose fighting them in the pacific? Lot more than 3,000. Why send hundreds of police officers to risk their lives for one hostage being held by a bad guy? After all, it's only one person; no need to put so many other lives at risk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Payment sent. Don't have it in front of me, but same number as lg101.

The reason I asked what you meant by "we" is that it seemed very binary in its perspective. There are more than Democrats and Republicans. I personally find the Republican platform as repulsive as that of the Democrats. So, if the Republicans are the "we" then count me out.

Sent this back to CRK a couple of months ago. Came back looking and feeling like a brand new knife. Gotta love CRK. (Yeah Willis and Kong, THAT Sebenza)

  yeah, I just cruised through wiki's site on general anarchism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism   Looks like in practice the general trend is for anarchism to quickly shift into fascism or communism.

Im being sarcastic.( I know its hard to  express sarcasm online, the internets one true achilles heel).  Im extremely bored at work and been laughing at my own jokes for the past half an hour. And I will concur that the civility of the involved parties have not deteriorated. Just trying to see if we can get another shift in thoughts. So we dont stagnate the debate thats going on here. And as far as gathering intel on the  gay threads, no. 

  'Cause diuretics alone can manage some folks' BP, as it reduces overall blood volume.   Makes ya wonder if some could just do daily session with leeches and avoid meds entirely. ;)   - OS

[quote name="mikegideon" post="1186954" timestamp="1410037895"]So, what happens when you shove a bunch of natural born statists into anarchy? I'm thinkin' you're gonna need lots of ammo. Can't fix the human race.[/quote] Nope, I can't. What I can and will continue to do is tell folks "don't hit people and don't take their stuff." The initiation of aggression is wrong and the state is built upon the initiation of aggression. It can't exist without it. So here I stand explaining that the state is wrong and telling folks, "Don't hit people and don't take their stuff."

You can leave comments at news channel 5 .com. IMHO I have 2 words for every idiot that is against conceal carry : Christian- Newsome.

That show may have gotten my money for the lat time today.

[quote name="Hershmeister" post="1186936" timestamp="1410036643"]And the problem of course is without some form of government, you get anarchy which also presents the very problem of your second evil. So the conclusion is evil exists in the world, and man is corruptable - so now what? I will call you utopian in these sense that your ideals are fine, but nowhere to be found in this world.So that said, how exactly so you think man should organize himself to ensure rule of law, the creation and enforcement of law, and various public goods (ie roads, sewers, etc)[/quote] "Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children. In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous." Robert Higgs

  I'm not absolving the Congress for how they voted, I'm just saying in the political realm, they were masterfully backed into a corner by the Bush administration.    My issue is that the Iraq war didn't need to happen.  We could have kept Saddam in check through various means (sanctions, air strikes, even limited ground incursions like the Israeli's do in Gaza and the West Bank) to protect our interests in the region.  He was valuable to us as a regional counter to Iran.  But instead, our actions destabilized the entire country and the only way we could have prevented ISIS from being in Iraq would be to have keep enough troops stationed there for a generation.    I will say, the intel that took us into Iraq was cherry picked by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, ect...to get the desired effect.  I can only imagine the conflicting views that never made it to the President's desk for review.  I also don't subscribe that Bush was either an idiot or some diabolical genius.  He was just pressured into a bad decision by those he trusted presenting him only their side of the story.  I do think his "Freedom Agenda" was horribly misguided for that region.  The middle east at large is most certainly not ready for democracy.   I concur that President Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster; "if wishes were horses" comes to mind.  So, while I agree that ISIS should be on the target deck, I also think it's fair to say our actions 11 years ago are directly related to the reason they are a factor today.  But yes, they need to be dealt with.  I would just want Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, ect...put their skin on the line as well, rather than the US and the UK doing it all like we all know is going to happen.

No matter who is right in this debate, when the extreme muzzies show up, I'm using lots of this...   http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/

Those intangibles of human nature are the greatest argument for the anarchist model. If people are evil and can't be trusted to govern themselves, they must be kept in check by a government composed of...other people? A single man can do a little evil on his own. To do a great evil takes many men working in concert and wearing the mantle of legitimacy because they claim title of being a government. You can call me a utopian if you want, that's fine. Understand that I am a utopian only in that I suggest that instead of swimming around in the cesspool to find the spot with the least amount of floating feces, maybe it would be preferable to get out of it entirely. Whether or not I believe that it is possible to truly attain what I seek, is that any reason to quit seeking it if I truly believe it is the right thing? Should I quit trying to conform myself to the model of Christ simply because I know for a fact that it is impossible for me to attain? Especially since I am particularly terrible at it? I don't think so. I try, fail and try again. I don't say, "this is the best I can do so I may as well quit trying." If I really believed that the US is or was as good as man could be, I'd probably eat a bullet because the depressing hopelessness of that thought would leave no alternative.

Basically, this is my view. If there isn't an attack on US soil, we need to keep our asses home. Embassies are fine as conduits for trade, but we need to shutter our military bases worldwide. Why the hell are we still underwriting the defense of half of Europe almost 70 years after the end of WWII? I am not an isolationist, but I am absolutely a non-interventionist. As far as the reporters beheaded by ISIS, the world is a dangerous place. When you go traipsing into war zones, shit happens.

The Gen 4 was primarily designed around the .40 cal . The double recoil spring lasts longer than the single coil spring and gives better lock up. The issues with the gen 3 .40 were the pounding that the .40 cal operating pressure puts on the guns, the possible (not likely but POSSIBLE) "catastrophic disassembly" from it firing while slightly out of battery from weak (read that as should have been replaced long ago) recoil spring and the metal bodied weapon mounted lights causing malfunctions. The Gen 4 largely solves all of those problems......the problem is that they took the same internals and put them in the 9mm.... one size does not fit all. It worked OK with hot 9mm ammo like +P duty ammo but not for some of the  generic US produced  FMJ ammo.    So you had a gun "sprung" for 40 that folks were trying to shoot "softball" 9mm in. You run "weak" 9mm like Remington UMC ball ammo and you have malfunctions. So glock first tried to fix it with a different recoil spring for 9mm....a good start but that did not always solve the problem. Then they figured out that it really needed the ejector to be redesigned for the 9mm AND change the recoil spring. The current production 9mm all have the new ejector and new spring. If you have a Gen 4 with the older spring and ejector you can get Glock to send them free to an armorer for installation. They will send anyone a recoil spring but  I don't think they will send the "ejector with trigger housing" to individuals. They want a certified Glock armorer to put that in for you.    Just a bit of trivia....GLock did the same thing in reverse in 1990...when they introduced the 22 and 23 they essentially just put a .40 cal barrel in a 17 and a 19. So they had a .40 sprung for 9mm....  The Gen 2 and Gen 3 .40 cal guns (there is no gen 1 .40) have always been "sprung" for 9mm...hence the accelerated wear on .40 cal vs 9mm and why the .357 Sig chambered glocks are even worse for accelerated wear.    I have both an early model Gen 4 17 that would have random malfunctions involving ejection until I replaced the spring and ejector. I have a Gen 4 34 that is a year old that has been fine. SO it really is a matter of whether it has the newer ejector and recoil spring. The gen 4 .40 never had any of those issues as the gun was designed FOR that caliber. 

    People tell me all the time I've just got to get on Facebook so I can catch up with friends I've not talked to in years.   I keep telling them if I haven't talked to them in years there is probably a pretty good reason.   

  Once upon a time there lived a beautiful Queen with queenly large breasts. Nick the Dragon Slayer was obsessed over the Queen for this reason. He knew that the penalty for his desire would be death should he try to touch them, but he had to try. One day Nick revealed his secret desire to his colleague, Horatio the Physician, the King's chief doctor. Horatio thought about this and said that he could arrange for Nick to more than satisfy his desire, but it would cost him 1000 gold coins to arrange it. Without pause, Nick readily agreed to the scheme. The next day, Horatio made a batch of itching powder and poured a little bit into the Queen's bra while she bathed. Soon after she dressed, the itching commenced and grew intense.   Upon being summoned to the Royal Chambers to address this incident, Horatio informed the King and Queen that only a special saliva, if applied for four hours, would cure this type of itch, and that tests had shown that, among all of the citizens of the kingdom, only the saliva of Nick would work as the antidote to cure the itch. The King, eager to help his Queen, quickly summoned Nick. Horatio slipped Nick the antidote for the itching powder, which he put into his mouth, and for the next four hours, Nick worked passionately on the Queen's large and magnificent breasts. The Queen's itching was eventually relieved, and Nick left satisfied and was hailed by both the King and Queen as a hero. Upon returning to his chamber, Nick found Horatio demanding his payment of 1000 gold coins. With his obsession now satisfied, Nick couldn't have cared less knowing that Horatio could never report this matter to the King and with a laugh told him to get lost. The next day, Horatio slipped a massive dose of the same itching powder into the King's underwear. The King immediately summoned Nick.           The moral of this story is:  PAY  YOUR  @#$%!$&  BILLS AND KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!!!!  

He kind of sounds like a person that might snap, hearing how bitter he is over getting caught driving drunk. He couldn't pass field sobriety test, got the charge lowered to reckless driving, and he's still bitter enough to want the LEO fired and is protesting it with a gun? They might want to keep an eye on this one.

  He'll be shirtless no doubt.   - OS

We need to kill them NOW. We also need to attack any country that supports them. They are gaining hundreds, if not thousands, of new members weekly and will continue now that they have declared a caliphate. At some point the entire middle east will be one Islamic state and then we will have some serious problems stopping them. They are only going to gain popularity because of their views on women, the west and Israel. If we do not do anything then Israel will be squashed like a bug on a windshield once ISIS gets strong enough because our president will not come to Israel's aid.   Imagine what will happen if that Islamic state controls all the oil in the region? We will be brought to our knees in a matter of days fi they cut it off. All of our high tech war fighting machines are useless without fuel. Goods, such as food, will no longer be able to be shipped to communities which will lead to widespread panic and looting. Citizens will be unable to afford gas to get to work and we will be a third world country within a month of loosing our oil supply. We do not have the oil reserves to prevent a major catastrophe if ISIS turns the faucet off.   Right now any American caught supporting them should be stuck in some internment camp until the "War on Terror" is over. If that requires them to die in the camp then so be it, at least they will not be fighting, or supporting those who are fighting, the US. By support I mean financially, logistically as well as just vocally. If a person says anything vocally or posts on social media that they support ISIS then the person who posted it should be detained and tried for treason for supporting our enemy and then stuck in the internment camps with their counterparts.   Trust me when I say ISIS is more of a threat to the United States, our allies and all "western" style democracies than the Taliban or Al Qaeda. It is because ISIS is more easily accepted by the average Muslim than Al Qaeda or the Taliban ever was. Look at what happened in Afghanistan with the Taliban, they took over the country because it gave all the power to the males just like ISIS is doing. There are also governments in the region that are supporting, because they agree with the philosophy, ISIS in a major way.

I just got home from a trip to see my brother in the Bradenton/Parrish Florida area. I wanted to touch on a few things I noticed from the trip. But please do not use this thread to discuss why you do or do not open carry. This is not meant to be a debate, that has already been beat to death here. When I'm in TN I OC on occasion when I feel the situation is right, I always OC when hiking and usually when I'm going to the range. I don't OC in places where I feel it would freak people out. Regardless of how anyone here may feel about open carry, I just want to say that I am extremely thankful that we live in a state that allows us to openly carry. In Florida this is not an option and if you gun becomes exposed I am almost positive there is a penalty for it. Some kind of misdemeanor IIRC. During the trip it was extremely hot and I was carrying my G26 in my CBST. I was constantly nervous the whole trip that my gun was going to become exposed and someone would see it. I realize it wasn't likely but I hated that feeling. I would rather have carried my G19 but there is just no way I was willing to risk carrying a bigger gun, I was nervous enough with my subcompact. My brother lives in a more rural area and there were several times that it was so hot I would have much rather thrown the G19 into a OWB holster and OC'd. I highly doubt anyone would have cared at all. There were 2 times that I was loading my luggage in my car and my shirt rode over my gun, luckily I was at my brothers house and no one said anything. And since it was 90 degrees outside it wasn't as if I was able to put more clothes on. It is absolutely ridiculous that law abiding citizens are suddenly criminals if they bend over at Publix and their gun becomes exposed. I'm really not sure how CCW holders in Florida are able to keep em covered up with it being hot 8 months out of the year. I guess they just pocket carry a lot or wear really really big shirts. Obviously I realize it gets just as hot here in TN but at least we don't have to worry about getting hauled off to jail if our shirt blows up over our guns in the summer. The only point I'm trying to make is that I love having the freedom to OC if I choose to and I would love to see Florida pass open carry. I think most of the people here will agree, regardless of whether or not you choose to OC.

You're quite right. All examples of real world Anarchism that I am aware of fall under Anarcho-Socialism, or Anarcho-Communism; from the start they were based on an idealistically flawed model.  Often they are overthrown or dissolve within a few years. However, there are a few communes that have lasted for a notable amount of time, and have been very successful according to their own ideals.   Most industrialized nations in todays world are largely socialist, and America is the same, but in a different flavor. Socialism has been a large part of our economic model since the 1930's, but has been around on a limited scale in this country for even longer. To think that a government can be successful in todays world is really a measure of whether or not it can sustain more debt, more unfunded liabilities or get through another war, or just hang on for that much longer than the previous model. Socialism is a bad model, but it's most effectively displays the consequences of government interventianalism relating to economic affairs. The middle east has been a very explicit display of government interventianalism into foreign affairs.   Totalitarianism is the only reality statists...or really people in general, have in their future if current trends of government expansion and interventionalism continues. The more that people legitimize government, and centralized planning, the more everyone loses. The trend I'm seeing in the world is a mindset of "because this government hasn't worked for us in the past, we should just make it bigger this time, with more rules and more mandated (though various subjective concepts of) equality, and more mandated (though various subjective concepts of) justice" (and much less freedom).   And I'm over here thinking....maybe we should all just try something completely different. Something that hasn't been tried before.   Anarcho-Capitalism is what I advocate; it's a newer model of Anarchism, but there are quite a lot of other newer factions of Anarchism out there (just as all other ideologies). Anarcho-Capitalism is an eleutherophobes nightmare; it's the free-est natural point a person could theoretically be if they are conscious and responsible enough to live with that freedom. It's purely conjecture just as any other ideal is, but so is a functioning government that  works to the benefit of all people, or to the least, a functioning government that coerces its citizens as little as possible. It's as fanciful to think that that utopian standard such as this may exist,  as it is to think that a government in todays world can last for more than a couple hundred years (or even decades at this point) without massive failures, total regime changes, or some other major social/ideological schism that for all intensive purpose marks distinguishably new government.       Or just for government to leave them alone like intended. But government will always have the interest of serving itself at the cost of others. Non-violence, individual rights, and private property are too much to ask for, and are incompatible with government. As long as one government exists on this planet, real freedom will be theoretical.     I will save this thread from my excessive ramblings about how the government is essentially a made up fairytale/nonexistent/nonphysical entity that its followers/worshippers act out to make "real", because this thread is bit off topic.   ****Moderators, please feel free to modify/remove this if needed. I've worded it as carefully as a could without scrambling my train of thought, but I realize Anarchy is also an extremely unpopular concept and that I do not own this site. :)   And now back to the other thread twist about the gay ISIS members carrying what kind of handgun, at what popular caliber, and whether they would do so open or concealed.

These are the bullets we're using, they're from a Lee 6 cavity .358/125 grain mold. No feeding issues.

  Hard to argue with that. It won't ever be that way. And, you know all the reasons why. Best we can hope for is to temper it. And if they're taking YOUR stuff, sizzle their nuts on the hot pavement :)

Statism does have a pretty good record of starting every war in the history of man, coercing the support of its followers in the name of expansion, religion, hate, freedom, this, that, and whatever else. Statism also has a history of monopolizing violence, theft, oppresion, enslavement, coercion, etc. etc.

Lol no I didn't it was too serious. Right now he's pooping bricks watching his driveway. Now the hadji that called me and cussed me out telling me he's from the IRS I did record. That was hilarious. He even spoofed a 202 area code... Wanted 200 bucks to keep me out of jail

  :popcorn: +1   â’¶ + 1

Whenever the wife sees a spider, it's always that size.....or bigger. 

Because he was given the option to plead out by the DA. That's how they do business, and the reason why criminals never get the punishment they deserve. Lawyers on both sides try to keep it from going to trial. I get it, since it was his first offense the DA probably didn't want to have his life ruined, especially since he appeared to be a productive member of society in getting his pilot's license. The fact that he was not convicted of DUI, yet still was denied his on his application means there is something else going on here. The only other explanation is that he refused to submit to a breathalyzer. In that case, we know he was driving drunk. Not only that, those are the rules that were in place before he chose to drive drunk and before he chose not to submit to a breathalyzer. You don't get to break the rules, then bitch because you suffered the consequences of breaking the rules. This is the problem with Americans. Whiny as hell and always blaming others for the circumstances they created for themselves. Dear lord, I hope this jackass never gets his license. Anyone here want this mentally unstable drunk flying your plane? No thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Tats I understand to a point, but what I don't understand is the person that rolls around in the tacklebox. 

Exactly. What else would an adherent to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wear? A Promfret, CT town council Pastafarian was sworn in with one even: - OS

The Islamic State is NOT A COUNTRY , it is a large band of murderous hooligans that are afraid to have their throats cut or be shot in the back of the head if they don't jump on the bandwagon. It is the whole theory of terrorism , hence the name. Only another bandwagon of militants will stop them on their own turf. I prefer we fund the brave of their own land to do that , none of our boots on the ground. I will gladly send a case of ammo myself , or provide as much jet fuel as I can afford to drop some more of our tax dollars in the form of explosives.

My 442 carries perfectly in my front pocket.

Gun company stocks are subject to speculation and confidence from investors like any other stock.  I remember the day after President Obama's re-election, gun companies were did pretty well when the Dow Jones droped over 300 points, due to the then fiscal cliff scare.  Investors knew that with a Democratic President re-elected, that gun sales would get a boost and saw that as a safe investment for a bit.  Now that gun sales have tapered off, they want something better to invest in.   Just regular market practices at play, nothing out of whack.

Had a kid prank call me and leave a message telling me hes from metro and wanted to talk with me. He got a big surprise. Almost ordered a can from the Silencer shop, when i found the closest ffl was everything weapons, and another LGS, I backed out left the can in the cart. closed some work out, so I'm heading to the range to practice for 3 gun at Manchester this sunday

  Maybe. You're assuming that he was indeed driving drunk. If he wasn't, it wouldn't be the first time someone was wrongly arrested. An officer lying about smelling alcohol and failing a field sobriety test would be a pretty easy way to screw someone over, should that officer be so inclined. 100 out of 100 times, the judge is going to believe the officer. Without objective evidence like a blood draw or a breathalyzer reading, there's no way to know for sure. It's Sheriff Weatherford and the DA that make me suspicious. Why would they bend over backwards to work out the lesser charge to try to keep him from losing his job? Was it simply because he's a young man that has a long future and they wanted to help him? Or was it because the officer made a "driving while black" arrest and getting a lesser conviction was the best way to protect the department from a lawsuit while not totally screwing over an innocent victim? Inquiring minds want to know. Add in the fact that he wants the arresting officer fired, and it tells me that he obviously thinks the officer did something wrong. A wrongful arrest in this case is the only thing that comes to mind.   If he was DUI, screw him. I tend to lean towards this but there's some doubt in my mind, based solely on what's presented in the article.

  I second Ridgewood!!!

I wish there were brother, I so wish there were.

Whether someone gets ink is their own choice, and has no impact on me personally.  But here are my observations: 1)  The more intricate the artwork, the faster it gets worse as the person ages. 2)  I have yet to see a human body that looked better with a tattoo. 3)  The more professional the job you are interviewing for, the less likely they are to hire someone with visible artwork. 4)  The more subjective the artwork (political subject, girlfriend's name, etc), the more likely the person will be to try and remove or change it later. 5)  Fads come and go, and like it or not, they are a fad right now.  In another ten years, they might be seen as tacky.   I've only been riding motorcycles for 42 years and don't have single tattoo.  But I only rode Harleys for four of those, so maybe it's a Harley thing.  Maybe not, since during those four years, I never once felt like getting a tattoo.   If you really want a tattoo, that's your choice.  But it's not like buying a car.  Even after it's paid for, you won't be able to trade it in and get something else.  Even the best laser removals still leave a ghost behind. 

Just got my vz61 stamp and finished the mods I attach the stock. It's so cute!

7.5" Upper on a Spikes lower. Form 1 sent May 4, 2011. Approved form 1 returned Aug 25, 2011.

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