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Ok, I spoke with Dave today at Blade, if you all are happy with it I will do a Very cool TR4 next (Dave is as excited as I am about it) and the Godson will be early next year

Some good may come out of all this after all.  Maybe the Chinese will provide us with Hillary's email.

Close the revolving door at the courthouse. One of those doors needs to lead to prison. You point a gun at someone during a robbery and you should get a bunch of years; first time. And if you shoot someone you never get out. Untie the cop’s hands. Tell them to take down the gangs and stand back and watch. Less “Special Units” and more uniformed cops on the street. Uniformed cops in marked squads are a proven deterrent. When you see a crime or a suspicious person; make the call. In populated areas cops get sent from one BS call to the next. Most of the time they don’t have the time to be proactive; they are reactive. They depend of the community to be their eyes and ears. I’ve seen a lot of bad people take a fall because a citizen witness was feeding information to a dispatcher while the Officers were responding. But most importantly...jobs. Jobs and the economy should be the first questions you should ask anyone that is running for office. And then look in the mirror and ask the same. Jobs won’t stop crime; but they will put a bigger dent in it than anything I can think of. As our economy worsens more Police and Fire will be needed; and they will be added. If you are a property owner you will foot the bill with increased property taxes. There will be new or higher taxes for the rest of you. We The People did this and We The People will have to get us out of it.

    Tell me I'm not the only one who read this to themselves with a poor russian accent....

  I believe it was Ivan Chesnokov who once said...   WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!  OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO F*** YOURSELF IN A**HOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?  RIFLE IS FINE. YOU F*** IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

Wow I thought I was the only person left on the earth that refuses to get on Twitter.

  For me, the standard line of thought is that cops are okay at reacting to events, but everything leading up to and during the event is on the individual.  Things like the store robberies are why we carry.  Mine own self-defense is my responsibility, not a police officers.

Waze, is the best traffic routing app I've found. Allows users to report cops, traffic, wrecks, ect.

It’s not a collector and you don’t have anything in it. Time to learn. If you have any mechanical abilities all it’s really easy. There are some common sense things you need to be carefully of; but a model 15 is a workhorse. Buy the Video “Trigger Job” by Jerry Miculek. Even if you don’t do the trigger job it shows you how to strip that gun down totally. Any questions you have can be answered here. Besides that you can’t call yourself a firearm enthusiast if you are afraid to take the side plate off a Smith & Wesson. I’d use this opportunity that has been dumped in your lap as a learning experience.

  I wouldn't worry about getting inside of it unless something doesn't work.  The vast majority of revolvers (and semi-autos) are never stripped to that detail nor do they need it.  If you want to lube the innards just pull the trigger back and dump some oil in there.  It will get where it needs to be.

I love the Chinese response...angelic, as if they've never been implicated in this type of thing before. I know the US is doing this type of thing too (just ask Germany), but I'd like to see the US tighten up its defenses against these type of attacks.   http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/opm-data-breach-china-hits-back-u-s-over-federal-n370351

You probably won’t carry it, so why a 3”? If you want a range/competition revolver I would go 4” (or possibly 6"). There are plenty of pre-lock 686’s available. There are also 19’s and 66’s available. If I could find a mint pre-lock I would buy it, but I wouldn’t take a used pre-lock over a new 686; especially if I was going to use it as a target revolver or for home protection. The lock is a non-issue for anything other than collectability. And even then you will see guns with locks selling for as much as those without. A 686 is not a collector’s item in the gun world. There are thousands of grips made for K/L frame; any size and shape you like. I shot in pistol competitions for years with revolvers and it boils down to personal preference; mine is for Smith & Wesson. I own handguns of all types, but my nightstand gun is a 686. The bottom line is this. If you line up shooters at 25 yards one with a K frame, one with an L frame, one with a Ruger, and one with a Python, all in 4”; the deciding factor will be the shooter, not the gun.

I've got a Wiley in a Simply Rugged pancake and it conceals nicely under a t shirt. Good balance, only likes 158 gr loads though.

Reminds me of something Randy included in his dissertation, PESTS EAT FAST. Criminals gravitate to the nicer sections of town, you all got better stuff to steal than their home neighborhood. I'll bet the car jacking targets we nice rides and the driver was distracted - fiddling around with the radio or personal device while the light was red...Please PAY ATTENTION to the world around you...

Just wait til one of the carjackers gets capped trying to jack the wrong person. We'll get to hear how little Freddie Trayvon Brown was always a good boy and there was no way he'd ever try to rob anyone. Maybe Uncle Al will even show up to help calm things.

I have used Waze too. I especially like the reporting speed traps. Not that I need that. ;)

Willis - you are worse than a crack dealer [emoji12]

I placed an order for 2 1911 frames and 2 1911 slides at 10am   12:07pm i rec'd shipping notice email.   That has to be some sort of record...

Well for the last 12 or so years, I have been wanting to go to the Blade show, today it finally happened, I was like a kid in the biggest candy store in this world, I got to meet all the Knife makers that I have been friends with on the internet, it was a pleasure to put a face to all the names I know.   I probably handled more than 500k worth of knives today but restrained myself to only one Purchase I got a very special stainless steel Magic knife from my friend Dave who owns Protech. For those of you who know how special his knives are, let me just say getting to know Dave and his Father today, they are some of the best people that I am proud to call friends.     I am planning on attending all 3 days  next year and will be stashing cash for the show, if any of you are wondering if the trip to Atlanta is worth it let me just say if you like any edged tool on this earth, you will absolutely love it :usa:    

Actually...there's two in the crowd. I like it as well.

    The knife is too small for it, the TR4 is just right for it and the Magic is more of a gentleman's knife than a bad ass Knife to punish

Adjustable sights are the difference between the two.

MHL6493, here is what your Model 15 looks like on the inside. The part marked "HAMMER BLOCK" is the part you saw moving up and down when you moved the hammer. It is the only part that will fall out when the side plate is removed, being held in place by a matching groove in the underside of the sideplate. All of the other parts require a little gentle prying with a screwdriver to get out. This is a stainless steel Model 64 from 1970 I bought in almost unfired condition two years ago.

My pleasure sir. Sometimes I guess my obsolescence actually has some usefulness. :D

The old man placed an order for one hamburger, French fries and a drink.                   He unwrapped the plain hamburger and carefully cut it in half, placing one half in front of his wife.                   He then carefully counted out the French fries, dividing them into two piles and neatly placed one pile in front of his wife.         He took a sip of the drink, his wife took a sip and then set the cup down between them. As he began to eat his few bites of hamburger, the people around them were looking over and whispering.         Obviously they were thinking, 'That poor old couple - all they can afford is one meal for the two of them.'         As the man began to eat his fries a young man came to the table and politely offered to buy another meal for the old couple. The old man said, they were just fine - they were used to sharing everything.         People closer to the table noticed the little old lady hadn't eaten a bite. She         sat there watching her husband eat and occasionally taking turns sipping the drink..         Again, the young man came over and begged them to let him buy another meal for them. This time the old woman said 'No, thank you, we are used to sharing everything.'         Finally, as the old man finished and was wiping his face neatly with the napkin, the young man again came over to the little old lady who had yet to eat a single bite of food and asked 'What is it you are waiting for?'                   She answered               (Continue below - This is great)    'THE TEETH.'

It's easy to tell if it has been removed as it can be seen in front of the hammer going up and down as the hammer goes back and forth. But there are some safety procedures you have to observe to look in on it safely.   First, clear the gun and leave the cylinder open. OK, now keeping your trigger finger off of the trigger, we're going to pull back on the hammer like this: To ease the hammer back with the cylinder open, you simply move the cylinder release thumb piece back to the rear with one hand, and ease back on the hammer spur with the other hand - but don't cock the gun.    As the hammer comes back, rock it gently back and forth and you will see a little black rectangular steel part moving up and down in front of the hammer, up against the frame. It will move downward as you move the hammer rearward, and upward when you move the hammer forward. That's the hammer block, or as it's sometimes called, the transfer bar or safety bar. If it isn't visible, or isn't moving with the hammer, don't load the gun until you can get it checked out by a gunsmith. Something is definitely wrong in that case and the gun cannot be considered safe.   OK, now make sure the hammer is fully down before closing the cylinder and you're good. Hope this helps.   BTW, there are some maintenance things you can do with your gun that are completely user doable, such as removing the cylinder and yoke. Back in the revolver days in LE, removing the cylinder and yoke were a required maintenance step in cleaning these guns. I carried a K frame Smith for 27 years and love them. I was an instructor on revolvers in four different commands, so I'll be glad to try and answer any user questions you may have. Best wishes.   EssOne

And remember that there is a right and wrong way to remove the side plate. The wrong way is to remove the screws and pry it off with a screwdriver - this will destroy the fine fit of the part. The correct way to do it is to remove the screws and grips, lay the gun on its left side in your left hand over a padded surface like a couch or bed and lightly smack the grip frame on the up or right side with a wooden or plastic handled screwdriver. The tapping will dislodge the sideplate. When it pops out of the frame, you're good to go.   I agree with the other gents. Remember that the standard service load in 1958 was a 158 grain lead round nose bullet traveling at 855fps and developing 255 foot pounds of energy. That's pretty anemic, and I have no doubt that a steady diet of +P ammo will shoot it loose. So I'd forget any high pressure ammo and let the old trooper be what it is. I would invest zero money in it beyond a set of grips that fit your hand well enough to enjoy shooting it.

What jh225 said. Clean it well and shoot it like you stole it!!

As a S&W lover/collector I am with the factory on their assessment. Clean it and shoot it.   A Model 15 no dash in mint condition is a $550-600 gun at best. They are not really collectable and to restore that one, if even possible with all the pitting would cost 3x that.

How's the SA/DA trigger pull?  I ask because someone's been inside that gun.  You can tell from the boogered-up screws.   It may look like hell but I bet it still shoots great.

The two comments cover things perfectly. It's your revolver now so do with it what you will but I don't recommend more then an occasional cylinder full of +p 38 Special through it and strongly recommend you not shoot any +p+ ammo in it. I also recommend you only detail clean it or have it done, don't refinish it as it has wonderful character as it is.

roughly  --- model 15 straight up is '57 - '59 best I could glean from the web.   it can probably hand 38+P in small doses, they were well made back when, but I would not shoot a LOT of them.  Beware of any that were made for 357s ... some 38s are nearly disguised magnums with the online load data sharing sites (it says so if this is the case).  That would always be home-cooked hot loads.  Factory +P should be ok but again, don't shoot thousands of em.  More likely than pressure problems would be hot gas cutting from too many hot loads.    it looks blue to me.  picture is hard to say.   take it apart is easy.  Putting it back together takes 4 or 5 hands but it can be done by anyone with patience and carefulness.   But its likely rusty inside... youll need to polish that off and maybe give it a light protective coating (blue ink pen type) and keep it oiled after.   Odds are all it needs is a de-rusting pass on the internals and a refinish on the external.   Its largely a hunk of metal... it should mostly be ok apart from cosmetic damage.  I think S&W will refinish it, if no one else will. Its hard to find anyone with a real bluing system anymore, EPA has made it unpossible to work with it for small outfits. 

  Did I say I'm spastic? I'm not gonna use a belt sander on a $450 knife when I have an Edgepro in the closet. I have burned an edge with the Worksharp. All you gotta do is stop moving for a second to do that. I use my worksharp, just not on the expensive stuff.   BTW... the Ken Onion version of the Worksharp is better. You can vary the speed and angle with it. I was gonna get one, and just never got around to it. I have lots of respect for Ken, and have a few of his designs.   http://www.worksharptools.com/knife/sharpeners/knife-sharpener/knife-tool-sharpener-ken-onion-edition.html

Yeah, don't get confused and grab your wife's teeth by mistake, you'll be blabbing all day....

One thing about it... what you hear on mainstream media is slightly lower quality from what you can hear from a street wino.

    That's what I had by my bed!  Well, until the canoe accident.

    I don't do Twitter, or Facebook, or Instagram or any of those other silly social apps. Never have and doubt I ever will.   I am rather unsociable. 

ehhhh YUP!  Only someone who knows the northeast understands what it means to live in a "Free State"

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Another waze user here.

Pro gun organizations should publicly distance themselves from this guy. Lots of people want to know why "peaceful" muslims don't condemn radical Islam and just assume it implies agreement. I think the same thoughts will be at work here

Waze for me - especially in metro areas.

Never in the history of man has it been acceptable by the general public for a man to be carrying a rifle on his person walking about in general public in civilization in America without a legitimate reason for it. Even in the old west and whatnot, you left your rifle in the scabbard on your horse. Yes, you carried your holstered handgun, but not the rifle in town. Only time a rifle or shotgun was carried in town was if you were law enforcement or protection for a company ( guarding a stage coach or courier) or about to murder someone. Whether you want to believe it or not the AR-15 is scary and offensive to the general public. That will never change. It is an offensive rifle. If you actually used it, a jury would see you as the definition of carrying a gun looking for trouble. Carrying a rifle is not as convenient as a handgun and is not acceptable and never will be as it never has in the 150 years or so that we have had cartridge fired weapons.

Legal?  Yeah, but a pretty stupid thing to do.  It will hurt us in the long run.

The comments section hurt my head.  I'm really offended that all these people don't like guns.  It hurts my feelings and makes me want to cry.  Why can't I just have my way?  Can everybody just like guns so that I don't have to go hide in my closet and cry anymore? 

I stopped by just today at Gander Mtn in Providence to pick up a wrist sling for my bow and bought a Work Sharp on impulse for $89. Sharpened four knives in no time. First time I got a good edge on my old Buck 119. I've used a Lansky for years and never could get a good edge on 440 steel with it.

I have the Sharpmaker, the Worksharp, and the Edgepro. The Edgepro does the best job by a WIDE margin, but it's expensive. The Worksharp is fast, but you can damage a blade if you're not careful. I use it for bladed tools more than knives. The Sharpmaker is very good. I'm just too spastic to hold a consistent angle. I can get them sharp, but they're not as pretty. The Edgepro will do this...

Spyderco Sharpmaker

Well I am happy to report that I have passed. You were all right! A big huff over nothing. 100 on my written test and 96 on my shooting. I had pretty excellent grouping at 3 and 7 yard, after that I got squirrelly. All in all an EXCELLENT class with a perfect instructor. I learned a lot and he even gave pointers at the range which helped a lot. Thanks again for all the help and feed back!

How about a RIA 1911 in 9mm?