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Dont kid yourself.  Our society, despite its modern veneer is but a few days from killing one another over cigarettes and toilet paper.

All I know is I'm voting Against anyone who votes to restrict our gun rights.

  Well my words would get me in trouble because I am a simple person.    But I would fight this current crap with a series of questions for congress.... the sarcasm would have to be reworded a bit, but pretty much something like this, in a public, on the news, address to congress with a chance for response from the supposed leader of the supposed gun control task force (IE biden would respond).   1) If a mentally unstable person managed to get hired as a bus driver and drive off a mountain, killing 20+ 6 year olds and 10 adults, what measures would congress take to ensure that no children ever die in a bus again, would they ban high capacity busses, discriminate against mentally ill people for having the job, or what?   2) The shooter broke at least 20 laws intentionally, including murder, gun on school property, theft, breaking and entering, and more.  What special, magic law do you think he would obey that would have stopped this shooting?   3) AR-15s and other semi automaic rifles have been used in a very tiny fraction of 1% of all violent crimes committed with guns.  Why are we focused on this one weapon type that is almost never used? Also, the ar-15 is one of the most popular guns in the country -- so it is not only one of the least used in crime, its one of the most commonly owned, how do those lead you to believe the ar-15 is a problem weapon?   4) The school shooter reloaded at least 3 times estimated from number of shots fired.  How would a smaller magazine have changed anything?   5) More children die every year in the USA from vehicles than from guns.  What new laws are you going to enact to protect the children from these horrid machines?   6) There have been many who argue that armed teachers could have stopped this horrible crime, saving at least some of the lives.   Why are armed teachers and an end to no-gun zones like schools not being discussed as a way to deal with irrational violent people bent on killing children?   7) If the shooter had used a knife, as did the recent whacko in china, what laws would you be considering to prevent future stabbings?    8) If the shooter had used a bomb strapped to his chest, like an "atypical radical extremist whose religious preferences do not coincide with anyone elses in the known universe or anything like that" might do, what would you be doing to ban household chemistry that can be used to create deadly explosions such as ammonia, fertilizer, gasoline, or the like?   ....   I can do this all day.   I think an 8 hour session of this would make the point very, very clear.

Considering you just cut and pasted their search criteria, this thread should be causing blinking lights to go off at DHS while Jack Bauer prepares a dynamic entry through your front door to stop the next terrorist threat. At any rate, Feliz Navidad DHS analyst!

  Sell something now for a few dollars that you might never be able to replace.   That makes sense?

I was finished buying about the time of the election. Never a question in my mind that Obama would jump on his first opportunity. He's jumpin'.

As a college prof, I would LOVE to  be able to carry--many stories I could share.  I'll pay for any additional training and I don't need any pay raise (although I wouldn't turn it down).  Hope something can  be done!

I urge everyone out there rushing to buy all the guns, mags, and ammo their credit cards will hold, to consider putting it toward the NRA (or other 2A group if you wish).  When they are ringing you up at the register think about which is more important.    Image if half of the money spent in a panic this weekend went to the NRA, what our community can accomplish.   [B]This is not over yet, we have not lost. Put your money into the fight instead of preparing for defeat.[/B]

my wife.....or my glock....   i hope i never have to face that choice

the nra should come out stating that we need to enforce the current gun laws.  if we enforce the current gun laws we would not have these problems.  sometime you need to build more jails and keep them in for longer times.  take away the tv/radios in jail.  make jail like it use to be,,, no fun.  bring back the chain gang like what we had in the 60's.   seeing men cutting the right of way in 100 plus heat in august set me on the stright road.   i knew i did not want to be like others morons i knew in school.  it use to be, many mango season ago, you get in trouble, as a young man the judge gave you two options.  go to the chain gang or go see that nice army recuriter that  is out side the court room door.  had several friends that was given this option in the late 60's.   they did not take the chain gang option. 

My question is: is the 21st the last day of the Mayan calendar? If so, tomorrow is not the day we should be worried about, it's Saturday. That's the first day of nothing.

Nope.  Will never make it out of committee.   http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/boehner-won-t-commit-gun-control-votes-185455080--politics.html

All is not lost. Unplug for a minute and take your mind off things;     Where did "Piss Poor" come from? Interesting history.They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot.   And then once it was full it was taken and sold to the tannery...  if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor". But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot...They "didn't have a pot to piss in" and were the lowest of the low.   The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature  Isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500's   Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June.. However, since they were starting to smell, brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married. Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, Then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children.  Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!" Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof.  When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof.. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs."   There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.   The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt.  Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on the floor to help keep their footing.  As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way.  Hence: a thresh hold.   (Getting quite an education, aren't you?) In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.  Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while.  Hence the rhyme:“Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special.  When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon."  They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.   Those with money had plates made of pewter.  Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food,causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.   Bread was divided according to status.  Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.   Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial.  They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom; “holding a wake."   England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people.  So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave.  When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive.  So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, â€œsaved by the bell" or was "considered a dead ringer."  And that's the truth. Now, whoever said history was boring!!!   So get out there and educate someone!   Share these facts with a friend. Inside every older person is a younger person wondering,  "What the heck happened?" We'll be friends until we are old and senile.  Then we'll be new friends.   Smile, it gives your face something to do!

  Haven't posted in awhile, but all of this has made me check back in. Mike, you're right. I've seen alot of former staunch 2A people suddenly start saying "Well, maybe an AWB is ok if it will prevent this sort of thing." People on both sides are being led by the media like lambs to the slaughter.

It may not matter what we're OK with. Rational thought doesn't matter. Reality doesn't matter. The strategy has been to not give an inch, and I've always agreed with that. That may STILL be the strategy, but I'll leave that up to the NRA and our friends in the house. If a critical mass of people want something in this country, they'll get it.   We don't know what the House members are hearing from their districts. One thing's for sure... political suicide doesn't pay. The NRA's standard position is to not give an inch. If they change that position, it will be because they can't win it. They're in close touch with congress... count on it.

I dislike the "background check" process as much as anyone - we know it doesn't really stop criminals from getting guns and it especially can't stop someone from becoming a criminal after the purchase; maybe even weeks or years after the purchase.  However, would having to succumb to going through an FFL for all firearm transactions, including private party, be an reasonable trade to, say, keep being able to BUY weapons; especially those they wan to ban entirely because they "look mean"?  I would certainly prefer the background check if the alternative is banning many types of weapons.   Of course I don't like it but what exactly are we supposed to do?  We can talk about how we won't compromise our rights but what exactly does that mean?  How far are you willing to go? (no need to actually answer that; just proposing that people need to think about it...really think about it).   Of course there are no amount of gun laws of any kind that would have stopped this young man from doing what he did at Sandy Hook Elementary nor will any new gun laws stop the next one. But I'm sure you know, that doesn't matter.   People are so appalled by what happened that they are going to demand that something be done and, as is always the case with government, they'll address the symptom rather than the problem...as is always the case when a gun is involved, they'll blame the gun. Why?  Because it's so much easier to do so and because many people and especially those with a liberal mindset hate guns; even if they don't know why they hate guns.   We all know that if this disgusting, evil man had stolen a big dump truck and rammed his way into the school and killed twice as many children; NO ONE would be blaming the dump truck.   The real problem is not the gun or the dump truck; it's EVIL. We know evil exists, that's why most of us who carry, carry...we understand the very unpleasant reality that the ONLY thing that can stop an evil man with a gun is a good man with a gun who is willing and able to use it. But, no liberal politician and a lot of (alleged) conservative politicians want to say that because they don't want to be labeled as a nutcase or as someone who wants "military grade child-killing weapons" available to the general public.   Any way you slice it, we have an uphill battle coming...I think we'll be lucky to beat back very many of the proposals that will be coming out of DC. As James Yeager said in his video that I and others posted, we had better pull together and stop eating each other...we can't find ways to agree on how to push back on what's coming then nothing will stop it.

  So you're ok with having to run all private sales through an FFL?  How would that have stopped the shooting in CT?   We need to make a line in the sand, more gun control will only place law abiding citizens at greater risk...  Law abiding citizens must have ready access to the best self defense tools on the market.  PERIOD   I don't believe any amount of gun laws would have prevented this evil man from doing what he did, show me something that would have, and I might be willing to discuss how we can implement that and that alone...  but giving up private sales is a non-starter, this guy stole the firearms, a ban on private sales would increase the cost $35-50 per firearm transaction, plus another $10 to the state in the unconstitutional TICS fee.  That is $45-60 more for a $200 22lr?  pass.

Lately I've had a lot of people who have only recently started caring about firearms ask me about the first ban.  My answer to them is what it will be to you...   It was pretty bad but it's nothing to base your predictions on about what's coming down the pipe.  This is going to be much worse.

To be clear, I'm not going to renew until I hear what the NRA has to say at Friday's press conference.  If they stand with us as gun owners and fight against another so-called Assault Weapons Ban then I will sign up as a life member.  If they roll over, I'm done with them as an organization.   But I'll ping you for that # just in case.  Thanks.  :)

  Better odds on herding cats than swaying a liberal with logic and fact. Let alone the antichrist himself.   - OS

  But if we don't help the NRA, they can't help us, and WE are the NRA.  We all have to stick together and if everyone would simply send $5 it would make a big difference.

I love all this country has become if that is true.    mmmm pussies

Joe Biden is heading up this commitie....What could go wrong? :shrug:  :confused:

I finally have settled on a set of these for my M&P Shield. The only thing left to decide is to go with either the orange front ring or the yellow front ring. I have never had sights other than factory on the two guns I own (an FNX9 and the Shield) so I'm not sure which I would prefer. Looking at some threads online I have seen photos of both yellow and orange rings, but I'm not sure which is suited best for my needs. It's obviously going to be my edc gun, not just for target shooting.  A lot of threads say that it depends on the shooter and what works for your eyes, but I've never seen these sights in person or have any friends who have them to see for myself. I also prefer doing my research first and then buying once so that I don't have to deal with the return and refund process. But, if this is the only way to go, you gotta do what you gotta do!  That being said, with my limited experience with guns and shooting at the range I would say that I'm leaning towards the orange, but I realized that outside there may be more orange or similar to orange colors in the environment, so may yellow be better?  Anyone with experience with these specific sights or just front sight color options in general have any tips for a newbie to night sights?

Thanks I almost forgot and I still have not figured out what to wear?

My team (@ work) and co-workers hear me say this all the time.    I work in gov't.  The culture doesn't always breed efficiency and effectiveness.  Coming from a place where it was all about 6 sigma (not "GI JOE"), I can't just sit still seeing things in ruin/broken/not efficient.  There is always a process improvement.  There is always something one can do to make things better.    That's how I'm feeling right now regarding the possible AWB (and hopefully not worst than that).  One can vent and mope but I believe there is always something we can do.   There are many at work who concentrate on what other departments are doing/not doing.  To them, I always say, what can YOU do/control in your scope/circle of influence.  If your complaining that xyz dept. doesn't communicate, are YOU communicating effectively with your team mates and your customers?   There are already many suggestions mentioned in this forum and what I propose isn't new.   You all have said it before...but I'm saying it again because I believe we don't do enough of it.   I propose this:  Find people around you who may be anti or ignorant and take them to the range and teach them.  Let them experience that 45 doesn't blow up whole sides of walls.  Let them experience the difference between a semi auto AR15 vs. what a 7mm bolt action.  Let them fire and compare your glock 9mm with 686 in 357.  Let them see how much fun it is to break clay put against a berm with an AK47.  Put an assault rifle on the ground and show them it won't just assault anybody.   Open up your black rifle and show them there is nothing magical or scary inside... they are just a few moving parts - technology that's 60+ years old.   Since last night, someone from church who knows I shoot emailed me asking about getting a gun.  I started to send him links, pictures, videos and I hope he accepts my invitation to take him/wife to the range.  They have never handled a gun before! (guys, a lesson here, it's not funny when you take a newbie out and give him your mosin nagant or 44 magnum to try out and then laugh at them afterwards.  You may have just scared them from this sport or give them a bad flinch).  I'm taking an ex school teacher hopefully next week.  He's probably in his 60s but never shot a handgun.  I agreed that i would run a 5K with him if he would go to the range with me.  I'm chubby and I don't like running but this is the price I'm willing to take to convert someone.    Does your kids' friends come over to play Call of Duty?  Ask their family if you all can make a family day at the range and shoot the real thing.    I'm thinking of posting in my FB an open invitation for folks who have never shoot a gun to go to the range on my dime and try it out.    Look for the most liberal person you know and creatively ask them to the range.  They may still hate it but at least you can say, they did their homework and at least have shot an bushmaster.    There are so many people out there who may love Obama but are still buying their first gun.  Find them, educate them.  Show them that yes, that's great that you bought a revolver but high cap mag bans won't do anything. (I went to the range with a someone who bought his first AR/black rifle (he's not a gun nut, he just wanted it because he knew they would be hard to get later); he's trilled after shooting it but he still thinks a high cap mag is needed...BUT that's slowly changing.  Last I heard (2 days ago) he was looking for a 100 round drum to buy).   I agree, we need to call/email/contact our representatives.  We need to join associations be it the NRA or whatever you choose.  But if you can convert one soul, that person will be changed.  He will convert his family.  He will convert others.  I'm sad when I go to a gunshow and 95% of the folks there (no offense) are older white guys.  What happens when they all kick the bucket?  We need young blood to keep our tradition and rights for another 100 years.  We can only do that if we do something about it.      

What time will it end?   If' it's going to happen I wish it would happen before going to work but with my luck, it will probably be just about the time I'm leaving work.  ;)

CZ ...   I wouldn't just refine your search to Glocks.  XD's, M&P's, & Glocks are all VERY simple to work on and get parts for :)   My suggestion -- Go hold them all, and pick the one that's best for you.  Yes, Glock has had some bad press regarding brass to the face, but they are still quality firearms :)   All 3 brands are quality, simple, reliable, and can be found for less than $500

I plan on buying myself a nice NFA short barrel 6.8 LWRC when I get my bonus in July. I hope to be able to buy one at that time but if not I am happy with the rifles I already have. I do not give into the price gouging and panic that many seem to be already encountering. Who knows what this administration has in store for us, I think if it becomes as bad as people are talking about we will be lucky to keep the rifles and magazines that we own, I do not want to invest thousands of dollars to find out later that they could be taken away from me For those of you who think the NRA is a waste of money, you should re consider as they are the strongest allies that we as gun owners will ever have on our side, perhaps use some of the money you are using on inflated priced Magazines and ammo and support them

  Robert,   I don't think they can go door to door to confiscate the firearms.  I don't think drawing a line in the sand is 'manly' or 'patriotic'....  but, I think it's time for gun owners, and 2nd amendment supporters to say in a clear voice, "never again, no more".   I don't subscribe to childhood fantasies, that it's somehow patriotic to die in a blaze of glory, and who wants a civil war to start?     But, I'm not blind either, I believe that a civil war (revolution 3.0 whatever you want to call it) is at the very least a possibility in my life time, if not a probability...  So if this is the straw that breaks that camels back, then so be it.  Probably better this than waiting until a sovereign debt crisis hits.   Let me ask you some questions, and they aren't rhetorical :)   What is it that these folks want?  Do you think they will be happy with more red tape, and never ask for anything else again?  Or will they continue to chip away at this right?  Why do we as gun owners continue to even negotiate with people who have made it clear their end goal is to disarm all law abiding citizens?   Our grandparents and parents pushed this fight onto our shoulders, and that was unfair of them...  They knew the 'progressives' wanted to disarm us, and instead of making a stand they continued to 'appease' our progressive "friends".  We've had to spend the vast majority of our adult lives fighting to take those rights back...   It's not fair of us to continue to push this 'fight' onto the next generation or the generation after that...  We must say in clear terms, NO. We're not going to continue to give an inch, on these stupid feel good laws that violate our God given rights.  That there is no middle ground on this argument, that there will be no compromise, period.   History has taught me what happens when you give up these rights...  I know what is at stake, and I'm willing to draw a line in the sand and say NO.  My hope is that no is enough, because the only place I want to die, is in a warm comfortable bed surrounded by my children and grand children many years from now.  

Also, the Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership by Aaron Zellman

Fine...what exactly are you going to do?   Are you going to "go out guns blazing" when the police or BATFE or whoever comes to get you illegal guns?   Going to start a civil war and see maybe tens of thousands of people die?   It sounds so manly...so patriotic to say "I'm not willing to compromise any more of my rights away, period" but what exactly are you going to DO?   Those are rhetorical questions and even if they weren't you probably shouldn't answer. I just think they need to be thought through very carefully.

Robert,   I'm not willing to compromise anymore of my rights away, period.   I won't support a law that would have done nothing to protect the children in Sandy Hook from this evil man, and would continue to do nothing to protect children in the future from more mad men, while taking away my God given rights.   I know this is going to sound cold, but even if a law would have saved those children in Sandy Hook, I'm not sure I would support it...  The fact is in a free society good people die, and when evil people kill good people we need to punish them...  I shouldn't have my freedoms taken away because some evil doer goes nuts and shoots up a bunch of innocent kids.   It's time we draw a line in the sand and dare them to cross, let them pass a ban and see how well that works out for them.   I agree it's time to come together, this insanity needs to end now...  Never again should we allow a feel good gun control law pass in this state or in this country.     But then again Robert you have to remember I'm one of those "crazy" God given rights people :)        

I personally don't feel like we need to give up anymore of our cake.  We've won a lot of legislative victories over the last decade and not a few court cases to boot.  We've got a strong position.   I think Mike is right.  The brilliant strategy by those who want more control and their lackeys in the media is to divide us.  The question asked is not, "are you willing to make concessions?"  Instead, it's, "how much are you willing to give up?"  At least two "A-rated" legislators have come out ready to throw us under the bus so far this week.   I think the two good options available to us right now are to call our representatives - repeatedly and to start having an intelligent discourse with those around us.  I'm not terribly active on Facebook, but I may start posting some stuff there to get some conversations started.   For instance:   Average police response time in minutes for: Nashville - 9:00 Detroit - 24:00 Denver 11:00 Tuscon 10:11 Atlanta 11:12   Everyone wants the police to have high capacity magazines, and yet the police are always and will always be second responders.  If someone is intent on doing my family harm, 9:00 in Brentwood is way too long.

  Hmm my earlier response assumed you had a pistol of some sort.  This is NOT the time to try to buy anything --- its the peak of the panic, highest prices.  I saw freaking .22 LR for $50 / 250 rounds of mid grade bulk ammo yesterday.   *Anything* you try to do *today* will mean wasting money on ultra high prices.   My advice is to be extra careful with your money.   Maybe pick up a used pistol, and consider reloading the ammo with a cheap single stage press.  The money saved from these could allow you to do both things instead of only buying a new pistol or only buying factory, price gouged ammo?

My Life Membership # is 37597198 if anyone else needs it to sign up.

this thread actually made me go get the AK and fondle it a bit.   I swear I love that rifle more than my wife.  Grandson #1 will back me up on that.

Hi Norma. Good to have you here.

    I believe it's pretty much the same as his stance on any other issue......"DUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!! :confused:  :blah: "   I do believe he claims to have authored the 94 AWB, although I personally don't think he could author a children's book without assistance.

Obviously the woman is deranged.  It's "Assault Clips"!

January deadline so people have high emotions on the recent shooting -___-. No gun owner can afford to be silent in times like these. Sent from Behind a Set of Crosshairs

Now is not the time to be delusional and look the other way with hopes that our representatives think they know what we want. Now is the time to call and write EVERY representative, and not just ours. They are not going to go through the whole verification process to make sure you are in the representative's area. We need to take a play from the anti's playbook and call, in their case vote, multiple times to effect our desired outcome. It is not against the law to call a representative from another county or even state and tell them how you feel about ANY legislation restricting our gun rights.   For OUR representatives I can't imagine a larger statement than them getting thousands of letters daily. Is keeping things the way they are worth a stamp a day for the next month? Imagine the impact of coming back from vacation to a literal ton of letters? If nothing else write a nice letter then make 30 copies. Send one a day until you are out. Total cost under $20 but the impact will be huge for a representative who sees a voterthat is passionate enough to do this for 30 days or even longer.   Seriously, we have 2 weeks until they come back from break to make a statement. I am going to start tomorrow.   Dolomite

About time you got on here

Yeager's response to CTD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWR2Y_NBsOQ   I know many don't like him but he makes a point that gun people turning on gun people is a betrayal and that practices like what CTD is doing, not only in their cessation of firearms sales, but their hyperinflation of items like PMags, is criminal. Boycott with your wallet.   I'm equally upset over people on ar15.com doing the same thing. People jacking up the prices of BCG's, PMag's, etc., to take advantage of one another. This is not about investment or about smart purchasing, but its about taking advantage of people, which is a travesty.

  I wouldn't, a single SRO per school costs more and provides less security than virtually any other option other than doing nothing.   The best solution is to allow all HCP holders to carry on school and college campuses, this provides a lot of security in each school at no cost.   The second best solution (which would not require any changes to current law) is to have departments start a reserve deputy program to provide plain clothed parents and HCP permit holders as reserve deputy/officers having at least 1 per 250 students.  This should not cost more than $1k-$2k per school a year.   Finally, allowing all teachers with a carry permit to carry on school grounds, and provide them a little extra training in active shooter situations, probably would cost $4-6k a year per school.   All of these choice are less expensive, and would result in a better protected school.   As far as this proposed bill, where a single person whether it be an SRO or a randomly selected teacher is a bad bill, it provides very little security over what we have today.

I fully support this.   In fact I was thinking earlier today they should considering hiring Vets as armed guards at schools.   I mean there would have be serious background and mental evaluation checks done. Make sure they are not suffering from any PTSD.   Plus I would not want to see the position likened to a mall cop.  Make it a position of respect, maybe even have the vet lead Plead of pledge of allegiance. 

With that kind of thinking one day you'll look around and wonder what happened to your guns. I mean this in the most respectful way possible, stop reacting like a sheep and start thinking like a lion. The fight we are about to find ourselves in is not about us and our rights, it's about our children/grandchildren and their rights.

Sheeple will be sheeple. I refuse to bow to their weakness.

Not close enough yet. Closer than before. Not discussing my tipping point.

[quote name='Worriedman' timestamp='1354546629' post='854213'] [url="http://video.foxnews.com/v/2005266599001/president-to-bypass-congress-on-semiautomatic-weapons-ban/?intcmp=obnetwork"]http://video.foxnews...ntcmp=obnetwork[/url] [/quote] Note that a possible reaction could be that the House could defund the BATFE. I guess if we're gonna have it out, we might as well get to it.