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I had a FTF with a business owner that has a gun buster sign on the door. First it started with him having to meet me outside his restaurant and me buying him lunch at another restaurant within walking distance of his. He seemed a little thrown off that I would even offer that. During our conversation he pulled out a business card that was handed to one of his door guys. The card was an IOU for $20.00 redeemable when this person is legally able to carry in his resturant. It said " I was intending on spending money at your business but you do not allow legal gun carry. This is an IOU for $20 redeemable as soon as the gun buster sign comes down and I can legally carry in your business." It also left contact info for that person. I have never seen this before and apparently it got his attention. I think i might make up some of these cards. He said he contacted me because of an email I sent him letting him know that I would answer any questions he has about why I will not spend any money at his restaurant. Also during that discussion I found out that he has never even held a firearm, and knew a buisness owner that was killed by a robber with a gun. It was a long lunch that seemed very productive. He is meeting me at the range next Friday. He said he is rethinking the gun buster, especially after I asked him to point out where my gun was and he could not. I told him that most people are not OC'ing, they want it to go unnoticed. I will update after we meetup next week.

Reasonable gun control would be a law requiring every able-bodied adult male to own a serviceable rifle in a military caliber as well as a basic load of ammunition and equipment for it.  Hmmm, that sounds familiar.  Oh, wait!  We already did that once with the Second Militia Act of 1792!  Maybe it's time to dust that one off.   More Reasonable Gun Control would be a law requiring a citizen to shoot the Army Rifle AQT course with a passing score in order to vote. Even my 80 year-old Mom can qualify on the AQT, so this should be a no-brainer.  Maybe make some kind of allowance for those who are blind, though.   Here's some more Reasonable Gun Control that I REALLY like!  Allow tax credits for those who have more than the minimum rifle and equipment in the first paragraph!  How about a $1000 credit for owning a long-range rifle and completing a 800 yard qualification course?!  And a $2000 credit for owning a belt-fed machine gun and completing a qualification course!

You can't legislate responsibility.  If you could there would be fewer traffic fatalities, teenage pregnancies, and stray dogs.  But our elected officials sure do try, God love 'em.  They really try. 

I'm beginning to understand James Yeager's ire, because I'm truly beginning to hate these people. From my head to my toes.

" Feinstein said that the bill’s fate will rest heavily on public pressure."   This is the key and she knows it...   Everyone needs to keep up the pressure on their elected officials.

Just keep up those tests while your demoralized population starves. If it ever came to blows with NK again we should just carpet bomb their troops with steaks, potatoes and American flags. The war would be over in a day.

There were also thousands of people notifying Reed that because of their stance towards modern firearms, they would not be attending! This is going to make some businesses take notice and I hope Congress as well.  If we all don't stand together we will get steamrolled!  I'd rather be doing the steamrolling of the other side!!!

NSSF Statement on the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show Clarifies the (soon to be former) role of Reed Exhibitions regarding the SHOT show. Someone asked in the other thread.  

Wouldn't it be wonderful if their efforts backfired and more people got involved and informed.     Definitely not a time to get lax in our efforts to protect the 2ed amendment.

He has the IQ of an extra-bright turnip.   Like many other guntarded liberals, he honestly thinks people can own machine guns by walking into walmart & buying them.   By the way my copy of the 2nd says arms and IMHO I DO have the right to an F16.  More of a right than any american hating muslim in egypt anyway.

1 filisbuster, 1 planes and tanks, calls to Alexandes and Corker, 1 from the NRA site, 4 from the Gov site on firearms. And 1 to Minneapolis reveals General Mills' support of gun summit    http://minnesota.pub...ous-gifts.shtml   Here tell them what you think about it! http://www.generalmi.../ContactUs.aspx   Told them they lost over 2 million customers today for this.

Did somebody get a new gas can today ?

I think the real question is "does he care?" My guess is that he is well aware of the law and banks statements like that on the bulk of the populations ignorance. The guys a bigger tool than Gore.

He does know the law. But he will not obey the law.He belongs to the " Elite". They are above the law. It's all about control.

Not surprised he couldn't pray in "Jesus name" as instructed in the Bible. :shake:

Better deal here if you don't mind waiting....   http://www.themakogroup.com/product_p/earm30%20w.htm

If the owner does in fact take the sign down, you HAVE to tell who it was so all the TGO'ers in the area can swing by and have a meal.  Everyone that does needs to make a point to ask for the manager and personally thank him.  

  Fortunately that is not possible. I am NOT OK with ANY law that tells me I have to buy something, even if I already own it, regardless of the tax or other financial implications. It is not within the government's authority to tell me what I must buy, yet they already do so and so I must comply under the threat of violence. 

Good job. And thanks for representing gun owners in a positive way. Keep us posted.

Concur.    Nothing in the Employee Safe Commute bill allows any person to carry a firearm anywhere, it does however allow the Keeping of a legal firearm in an individual's personal property, it must be unhandled, not displayed, and out of sight.   This mantra that the Constitution only guarantees Rights not be infringed by Government is ludicrous.  A business property owner can not imprison an individual that crosses his property that is open for business, they can ask them to leave.  If that individual does not leave, a property owner can not, just because they are on said property, whip out the 9 and drop them, which, if unlimited ability to control the space existed would be in the purvey of the owner.

The show is "postponed".   :surrender: oops...   http://washingtonexaminer.com/nra-boycott-kills-outdoors-show-that-banned-assault-weapons/article/2519579#.UQFiKr_AexV

No, you're spewing the wrong information. This crap is from over a month ago and it has already been proven wrong. I didn't insult you, so don't start with the crap talking. I'm sorry that Google is broken on your computer. And I don't see where the billy badass thing comes from. I don't think I would have an issue telling anyone to their face that this story is complete BS and why.

I think we should ban shooting victims, then there would be no need for gun control.

its not always that easy to move, get a new job, etc.  There are a LOT of pro gun people in NY and CA and other places.  They are in the minority and they get screwed every which way, but they do exist.  Look again at the thread showing off CA complient AR15s ---- they may have to obey stupid laws, but a number of folks want to own these guns and do own them, and shoot them.     While I understand where you are coming from, its attacking the wrong people.  Refuse to bulk sell guns to their PD/guard/etc -- fine.  Refuse to sell to the folks that live there individually, not so hot.   The only ones who would suffer would be the folks that cannot afford to move to a better state.    Remember: they would not have to BAN AR15 in NY if no one had them.  They would not have to ban mags over 10 if no one had those.  Someone up there has these things, and those someones are probably a lot like you & me.

No matter how much you don't want it to be true, he used an AR15. Get over it. It doesn't matter if he used it or not though; it changes nothing in regard to what law abiding folks should or should not have. Continuing to spread this BS is what makes our side look like conspiracy loons and hurts our cause. Using a report as fact (which was wrong because they didn't have hardly any facts, but they wanted to report stuff) makes as much sense as using media reports of Japanese peace goals on December 6, 1941 as proof that they didn't attack us at Pearl Harbor.

The constitution restrains the government, not individuals, groups, associations or businesses.   You'll note you have a right to the freedom of speech, which restraints the government from using your protected speech against you, or punishing you for exercising your right to free speech.  But, that does not extend to private sector....   More importantly, there is a fundamental right, freedom of association which allows individuals to form groups or associations (ie business).  This right is violated when the government attempts to force somebody to belong to a group (or business) against the wishes of that group. IE the government can't force the NAACP to allow members of the KKK into their organization.   Also, we have the fundamental right to property, which is enshrined in the declaration of Independence (also in the constitution under the taking clause) , which is also a God given right as well...  Again this natural right is violated when the government forces you to do something with your property against your wishes.   So yeah IMHO me asking the legislature to pass a law banning company dress codes is on the same level as you asking them to ban anti-gun policies.  They're both silly and unconstitutional. That is not to say the government won't pass this law and some court may very well uphold it as constitutional, only that we should not be asking the legislature to pass it in the first place, it's a bad law that violates the rights of others to treat us as a special interest group.   There are LOTS of bad gun laws in this state that we should focus on, and the repeal or modification of which would not violate God given rights...  including removing governments from 39-17-1359 or removing 39-17-1359 altogether.  Removing exceptions to park carry, or removing laws covering the wearing of firearms in schools and universities.  Providing for true constitutional carry (whether limited to open or allowing CC).  All of these are laws when repealed would not take away rights from individuals, associations, and businesses... but would further constraint government, which is a good thing.    Finally, we're all members of a loose group which supports freedom and God given rights, it's a fundamental violation of our core principals to fight for taking others rights away!  The same legislature (or the federal one) may one day pass laws to violate our rights to own/carry firearms...  and courts may very well uphold those bad/immoral/unconstitutional laws on us.   We must have core principals as supporters of the second amendment, and the key to those principals is to not infringe on others natural rights in the process of restoring our rights to keep and bear arms.  Supporting this law is incompatible with that core principal!  

  Nah. They're natural born killers.

Now that would be a shocker, huh? They've rolled over on everything else. I swear I think I prefer Democrats right now. At least they are being up front about their intentions. H3ll, you don't ever know when or how the Repubs are gonna hit ya.   Rand Paul is the only man left in D.C. with a pair.

What good was probable cause anyways?

  Is a frog's ass watertight?

Much like yesterday, today Charlie Rangel can kiss my a$$.

Its a bad idea. Sexual assult claims, rape claims, and in country pregnacys will go through the roof if they put women in grunt units. Not to mention now needing seperate facilites in a combat zone. And not to be sexist, but it takes a lot of upper body strength to pull a man out of a bad situation in a full combat load. Woman are naturally weaker in the upper body. They need to be able to pass the same PT test as the men before serving in a line unit. I don't know about know, but when I got out of the Marines last year it was still curved heavily for women on the PFT, and CFT.

Can't do anything about the price of kerosene, but you can always get a milsurp jerry can and flex nossle. 

Let;s just call them guns already.  It really doesn't matter what kind or type they are for this discussion, now or into the future.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-feinstein-gun-ban-bill-20130124,0,3822856.story   Looks to me like that gets a "check, done, next" on her list?   'Cause I sure can't seem to find any for sale right now......

Done again thru the Ruger system.

I will let everyone know after he takes the sign down, I trust most here are great guys but I don't want to take a chance at him getting put off by a flood of emails or publicity. He did state that until these last couple of weeks all he has ever gotten about the gunbuster signs were negative and some were on the threatening side.    I figured I had a way better chance of changing the mind of a mom and pop place then taking down a corporate policy. Getting the mom and pop places to change could lead to some small chains changing as well. I know that the response I usually get when I send an email or letter is "most businesses around me are posted" so if we can get more off the doors they can't give that excuse anymore. Then they might rethink that policy if most of the businesses are not posted.

The Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show is like a mini SHOT Show.  It is a huge show that has been around for a long time.  Reed Exhibitions puts on the show.  This year they made the decision that so-called assault rifles and high-capacity ammunition magazines will not be allowed to be displayed or sold at the show this year.  Right after the announcement sponsors started pulling out.  We are not talking little guys either.  Cabela's, NWTF just to name a couple of big ones.  Here is the list of the sponsors/celebrities that have pulled out.     Abner Druckenmiller Ambush Firearms American Whitetails of PA Antler Insanity Appalachian Big Game TV Arrowhead Outdoors Athens Archery Atlantic Tactical Avian-X Decoys Bangin Redhedz Bear Archery Blitz TV The Bear Whisperer Bob Mercier Bohning Archery Bone Collectors Boondock Outdoors Bowfreakz.com BowHunter Planet Bowhunting.com Cabela's Campbell Cameras Camo Addiction CanCooker Chris Brackett Cold Steel Knives Continental Divide Outfitters Cross Canyon Arms Cutting Edge Bullets Dead Ringer Direct Action Tactical Firearms Domari Nolo Defense Consulting Dominator 365 Down N Dirty Outdoors DuckWater Boats Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation Eastern Outdoors Eddie Salter Family Traditions TV Farmland Trophies Outfitting Firearms Industry Consulting Group Foiles Migrators Forbes Turkey Calls FoxPro Game Calls Fred Eichler Full Circle Outdoors Ghost River Outfitters Gone Wild Outdoors Gut-N-Tag Haley Heath Heartland Whitetails Hevi-Shot High Lonesome Outfitters HookHunt Hunters and Guides Connection Hunter Safety Systems Hunter's Specialties International Bowhunting Organization IceHole Coolers IScope Jay Gregory Jim Shockey Keystone Country Store Keystone Elk Country Alliance King of the Mountain Inc. Kinsey's Outdoors KodaBow Lancaster Archery Supply Larry Weishuhn Lee & Tiffany Lakosky Major League Bowhunter Midwest Whitetail Adventures Muddy Outdoors Dominance is Everything Hunting System Matt Morett Mountain Dog Chews NasHunt Outdoors Nature Blinds Northern Hideaway Outfitters Open Season TV Outdoor Channel Outfitters Outdoor Edge Knives Ozonics Hunting PA Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs PA Taxidermy Association PA Trappers Association Pat & Nicole Reever Pat Strawser Custom Calls Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve Primal Urge Outdoors Primos Hunting Calls PSE Archery Radical Hunter Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo Ranew's Outdoor Equipment Revolution Hunting Rhino Outdoors Rick White Rougeaux Taxidermy Savage Outdoors SecureIt Tactical Skull Shine Southern Game Calls Spook Spann Sportsmen of North America TV Stan Potts Stay Ready Inc. Stokerized Stabilizers Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Association Table Mountain Outfitters The Warmbag TNT Archery Tom Dokken Tough Country Products Trent Cole Trijicon Inc. Trop Gun Shop Turnbull Manufacturing Whitetail Bosses Whitetail Freaks Whitetail Heaven Outdoors Wild Outdoors Wired Outdoors Woodcock Limited of PA Wyvern Creations X-Stand Treestands Zink Calls Zook Cabins 2 Million Bullets 24-7 Hunting TV Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/805854_List-of-exhibitors-boycotting-the-Eastern-Sports-and-Outdoor-Show.html#ixzz2IkKv2gKX   All these companies are saying the same thing.  It is important to stand up for the Second Amendment.   I say good for the companies. :up:  

The winner of cheapest weapon on the list is..... Drumroll............high point carbine! What the heck is that doing on there?

All they're talking about is Newtown because they NEED this tragedy. If it wasn't for that one moron (I don't even want to say his garbage name) shooting at children, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I'm suprised they don't have a plaque on the wall because he's the hero of their cause.

It's not a red herring. There is FAR more to serving in a combat arms MOS than pulling a trigger. In fact, being able to kill or be killed has nothing to do with it. It is the conditions one is expected to endure and the physical abilities required to endure it. Sorry, females are built different. Even the most physically capable women could not have done the things I've done. The standards would have to be lowered to include women, and they will. When that happens we are placing a higher value on social change than the lives of our troops and the missions they are expected to accomplish.

Im tired of the hunting references. Like everyone that has guns are hunters. I must have missed the part in the 2nd amendment where they said its purpose was hunting.

I'm involved in a number of family owned businesses here in Middle TN and in Southern IN, my wife and I happen to own 2, one a consulting company, and another an outsourced payroll company.  None of our businesses are posted, and unless required by contract or law we don't have an anti-firearms policy in our employee handbooks.  I eat my own dog food, I'm a pro-2nd amendment supporter, and have butted heads with some liberal leaning members of the family over firearm policies in the past  :)   But, we do have a dress code policy, and policies that restrict the employees speech...  In my personal opinion if I have somebody on staff that their carrying of a firearm concerned me, I'd just fire them outright, since if I can't trust them with a firearm why should I trust them with my business?   The open sign is an invitation, along with the rules posted on the door, no shirt, no shoes, no service.  While it is an invitation, it does come with clear restrictions.   I wouldn't want to frisk customers (or employees for that matter), but we have private businesses in TN which require employees to submit to random searches as a condition of employment, and I think that is something a business should be allowed to do, as long as the employee is free to decline and suffer the consequences.   You'll note I have no issue with complete repeal of 39-17-1359, which would turn make no firearm signs into the same thing as a no shirt, no shoes, no service sign...  I don't feel the repeal of that law would infringe on a property owners rights.   But, most of the companies that are fighting this law tooth and nail don't have open/welcome signs on the door, they don't have customers or members of the public coming into their businesses...  They largely only have employees Volkswagon, FedEx etc aren't open to the public.  They don't want a law (and I don't as well) which infringes on their employer/employee relationship.   And neither do I, if an employee carrying a firearm concerned me, even if they had a permit I'd want the freedom to fire that employee without violating state law.  

Received this message last week from Sheriff Buck:   "As Sheriff of McNairy County it is my job to protect the constitutional rights of our citizens. The second amendment is a right, not a privilege and shall not be infringed upon. As long as I am Sheriff of McNairy County, I will not allow anyone to seize any firearms from law abiding citizens within this county.” Sheriff Guy Buck 19 January 2013

Statistically, one of the most effective ways to avoid being the victim of a violent crime is to avoid criminal activity.

  And it's exactly why everyone needs to start contacting people instead of taking a lazy stance thinking that it just won't go through. We already learned a lesson about how when people just stay at home and don't take action in a zero sum event, and that the absence of their vote equals a vote for the opposing team.