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In Atlanta, GA right now and was at the Cheesecake Factory at the Perimeter Mall (imagine Cool Springs area).  Was sitting in the bar area (not drinking, was carrying) and over head the following conversation.  I realize there are some racial aspects to what was said; but I think the conversation is proof that people are getting fed up with what's going on.  Or this could just be racist.  Also, I don't purport that everything said in the conversation is 100% factual (they said it, not me, I sat by quietly).     Guy 1(complaining to his friend): man, dey cut me off today, took my Obamaphone, my EBT, and my disability because they found out I got a job; dey forgot about what dey owe me for all dem years my ancestors spent in slavery, haha   Guy 2 (not his friend, some other guy at bar): oh yea? they cut you off because they found out you were cheating the system?   #1: its not cheatin' punk cuz i'm related to slaves   #2: huh, i see, well i'm still waitin/ on them to start paying me back cuz of all the Jews enslaved and killed during the Holocaust   #1: dey do dat? what?! why dey do dat? if dey cut dat off then dey could pay ME!   #2: well just as many, if not more, Jewish people were enslaved and murdered during the Holocaust as were during slavery, so why shouldn't they?   #1: n**ga are you even Jewish to know what you talkin' 'bout?   #2: no, i'm not, and you ain't out pickin' my cotton fields either boy so shut the f*** up about what society owes you for being related to a slave.  being black doesn't entitle you to anything more than me being white entitles me to anything.  the only thing you're enslaved to is that EBT card, that Obamaphone, and anything else this f***ed up government gives to you without working for it, and i'm d**n tired of paying for sc**w-ups like you   #1: man f*** you, i'm gettin' out of this racist joint. (leaves without paying for his and his friends dinner)   Thankfully nothing violent went down.  I thought about posting this in the thread about white people rioting, and even though the guys do seem to be a bit racist, I think it speaks more to the growing discontent and divide between the working class and what I call the "from the tit" class.

I'm getting real sick of this ####. Was the Zimmerman case just too complicated for these feeble minded douchebags to understand? Amazing 

It's all designed  to blow our mind but our minds won't really be blown. Like the blow that'll getcha when you see the pitcha Of a bomber on the Rollin' Stone. 

You know... this "neo-revolutionary" bravado is a cyclical thing.  It comes and goes on the Internet where talk is cheap and no one dies as a result of what they post, but I'm getting to the point where I'm tired of hearing it (again) and wish someone would either put up or shut up.

  Yeah, whole different ballgame regarding women.   Once I had to take the bus to Pittsburgh to pick up a truck, lady at the counter was a knockout, with eye-popping hooters, so the filter failed when I said, "A picket to Titsburg, please".   But the worst was when I was having breakfast with my wife, and I meant to say "Please pass the sugar, hon", but what came out was "YOU G****N BITCH YOU'VE RUINED MY F*****G LIFE!"   - OS

Can you really blame them. Used to be all a criminal had to worry about was a cop happening by a crime and shooting him. Now they have to worry that every potential victim could shoot them. If I were a thug, I would be protesting against Stand You Ground As Well.

Too bad she wasn't armed and blew the guy's face off.

Some Florida gun shop needs to gift him a brand new Glock 19, and throw in a couple of fun sticks.

Holding the evidence while there is still an open investigation (even if the investigation is a staged one) is not a big deal.   I predict that after a period of time and most of the racists and "social engineers" have quieted down and bit and most others are simply tired of hearing about "justice for Trayvon"; Holder will issue a press release that the law sets such a "high bar" for conviction and some lame excuses he'll say that the DOJ is not going to bring charges in the case.   Ultimately, I think Holder would prefer to not file charges on some excuses than to file charges it knows it can't win and look much worse.   In the meantime, if Zimmerman needs a firearm I'll loan him one of mine.

Well they are cheap enough haha. Wonder if Long legged mack daddy will let him buy another.

I really can't think of a single reason why I should care what the (liberal) Black Caucus wants or thinks.   Haters are going to hate.   Race-baiters are going to turn everything into a racial incident.

I've asked this of others who, in other settings and in other threads, have intimated that "voting" or "the polls" are the answer but I wonder; on what basis do you think that voting in different people will actually change anything?   No Democrat is going to change anything.   80% of (the establishment) Republicans aren't going to change anything any more than the Democrats will.   The third parties (Conservative, Libertarian or whatever the third party flavor of the moment exists) don't have enough support to even get elected; much less change anything.   Of the decent, conservative/libertarian, principled people who have been elected most of those have fallen comfortably into the establishment.   I see no candidate, let alone enough of them, to effect any change whatsoever or that they want to effect change...no one has the balls to even tread water and just stop government spending and intrusion where it is now.   So please tell me how the polls are going to change anything?  :shrug:

The older I get, the less i filter my responses to complete idiots. In that guy's case, I may have just responded with "Thieves".

For some people, it's not another chore that needs doing, it's a hobby and a lifestyle of choice. Therefore, it's much like a TRUE Christian. If its all for naught, then in the end, nothing is lost because the journey was enjoyable. I actually USE a lot of what some call preps. I rotate food. I actually SHOOT my ammo instead of hoarding it up. I use the oldest and replace it with fresh goods. If this is all for nothing, so what? When I die, I won't care anyway. Maybe after I'm gone, what I've put away may make the difference between life and death to a man and his wife and kids. If I don't use what I tuck away and after I'm gone, some random dude saves the life of his little girl because he happened upon my stash or stuff then my labor was WELL worth my time.

My fellow TGO family, a decade ago, I felt like I lived a life. Woke up, went to the gym, went to work, and came home to hang out with friends and family. My only worry was how many reps of 225 I could do. I drove lifted trucks and gave two cents worth of thought to how much gas cost. I really miss those days, because every day now, this sh$! is hammering down on people who OBEY the law, not gangs or just plain worthless people. I fear that we all may be fighting side by side to protect our families on our own damn soil against people who want to be slaves. God bless the USA and all of you! Proud to be here with every one of you.

I am so sick of this crap.  So a black youth gets killed by a white neighborhood watchman and the world goes crazy.  We have a full year of media insanity over this case, and its all because a white man killed a black kid.  Where was the media outrage and frenzy when a bunch of black folks gangraped, tortured and executed two white folks (Christian / Newsom)?  God this is ridiculous.  

Tell them to send some white kids through the hood one at a time, acting however they want, and see what happens. Any kid should be safe, but any person should be able to protect their life.

It’s a sad day when people can openly commit conspiracy to kidnap and murder; and the Police do nothing. And you can’t blame that on Holder. Any law enforcement agency that had jurisdiction could have arrested those people. Those agencies don’t answer to Holder or Obama; they should be ashamed.

Can't win if you don't play

TN Black Caucus, who gives a $hit what they think?  I certainly don't, and I won't loose a wink of sleep over their ramblings.

Meh, I'm just an asshole. I'm ok with that. :D

    From the article:  "Rolling Stone is standing by its cover."   What else are they going to do? Can you imagine how much it would cost to do another print run with a different cover?   I hope the damn things pile up on their loading dock and dumpsters across the country.   I've got a subscription, so I'll be getting one in the mail. I think I'll take it to the range for target practice. I think some ranges get a little touchy about human picture or human silhouette targets . . . (??)

I agree 100%! The last thing we need is to elect someone with financial pains that will be very tempted to vote theirselves out of those very pains. I'm against the idea that one must be extremely wealthy to run and be elected to office but I would like to see that they are capable of handling their own money in a responsible manner, especially since they would be handling ours.

  It's too early for that fight :)

Two words, "Black Caucus"....self segregation and racism at its finest...there is the true racism in this country

“No child should ever have to be afraid to walk peacefully down the sidewalk without being attacked because of the way they dress or the color of their skin,” state Rep. Larry Miller" Couldn't agree more. What does this have to do with SYG though? Before anyone answers, I ready know. Nothing. Not a hot damn thing, once again we are treated to another example of the "do something, anything at all" mentality that is so prevalent anymore. I have to say if I were black I would be furious with my "representation" from all these as$holes. Stop stirring the $hit and let us all get back to it, life's hard enough without living in a constant state of outrage.

Rockcastle USPSA Match this month on July 27th.  Got some great stages. 164 rounds with Classifier "Front Sight" on stage 5 in doe valley. Registration at 9, match at 10am. We really appreciate your support at Rockcastle, so come out and have some fun.     3 Gun Nation Club Series returns to Rockcastle on July 28! See announcement on Enos

Every once in a while I have a thought that makes it out before my brain filters it...the other day in my local convenience store (Mayberry style) and guy I've known for 15yrs (not liked, rustled some of my cows,stolen tree stands, ect, ) asked me why I carried a gun (open carry 1911 that day) and I replied to protect defenseless people like you if someone comes in to shoot up the place..."sue" running the register just laughed, and said "you've probably done half this country wrong in some way, and he would still try to save your ass..." Glad "sue" turned it positive for me, in turn I quickly turned it into a joke since I really came off as an ass...whether or not I would pee on the guy if his hair was on fire... Your filter ever had spontaneous malfunction?

I keep reading how everyone is pissed off at the Republicans and the Democrats, some sort of revolutionary change is needed, but nobody wants to start that revolution as the founders of this democratic republic intended, which is through the ballot box. We all know the two major parties aren't looking out for our interests nor are they going to change, but when it comes to Election Day, virtually everyone runs to the polls and votes for one of the two major parties anyhow. When anyone suggests a third party, like the Libertarian Party, nobody will vote because "they can't win." Well no frigging wonder. The overwhelming majority of Americans have voluntarily enslaved themselves to the two major parties, which is exactly where they want you. I'm a believer in the old saying, we get the government we deserve and anyone who votes for any Republican Party or Democratic Party member is getting the tyranny they deserve. Then there is the Tea Party, which is a bunch of establishment Republicans who know how to talk a good game and dupe people into voting for them. Even the caucus' former leader Michelle Bachman made it very clear that the Tea Party Caucus was nothing more than a "repository for ideas" and that the opinions of constituents was basically meaningless. Keep drinking the two-party Kool Aid folks. That's what they are scaring you and paying you off with government benefits to do.

  Weird there. Guy sold one something back in '06, now three high end knives in '13, only activity in all those years. Feedback received for the other two though, so I guess okie dokie.   - OS

Possible Side affects are : Weight loss, loss in appetite, yellowing of the skin/eyes, possible insomnia, fits of anger, AIDS, depression, weight gain, loss of bowel control, sleeplessness, instant death... FDA approved if Obamacare agrees to cover the cost :-)

It may, but is anyone going to riot? No, most of the people that think he’s innocent are pro-gun folks that have jobs to go to, no time to riot. Plus most of them already have big screen TV’s.

Despite the odds, I put in for a tag.

  It's a fine line isn't it? Haslam's got money. Do you trust him?  Sunquist had money. Would anybody vote him back in office?  All the honest citizens with common sense are too smart(and too busy makin' a livin')  to jump into the kind of dirty politics we have around here. Very disgusting. And I'm all for rotating in a whole new batch. Could NOT do worse!

Wait.....Obama is paying for Cheesecake Factory now?

I'm always wary of ordering anything of consequence from anyone who can't think of a proper .com domain name with which to brand their business. 

That Almost offends me. I graduated public school systems in the last 40 Years and went on to college, Paid off those loans and became a productive member of society....WHY? BECAUSE MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME THAT IS HOW LIFE WORKS.   My point is education starts at home. I have 2 daughters in college and both have jobs and take care of most of their own business. Why? Because according to htem I am a "HARDASS"because I have to be. One has gotten to the age where she understands why I am such a hardass on them and the other still hates me....so be it...She will understand someday!!!!!They didn't get pregnant in HS to get more money for mom's welfare. Education starts at home.

The public school system, as a whole, is a complete and abject failure as are just about all government programs/institutions.   Most kids coming out of the public system in the past 40 years know almost nothing worthwhile and more importantly, have no idea how to even think rationally. Only those who have chosen to educate themselves after being in the public system have any real intelligence or ability to process data in a logical, rational way.   Of course there are always exceptions...individual schools/school systems...individual excellent teachers; but they are the exception.

  Keep in mind that there are some towns where Walmart IS the only place to get ammo in town.  There are other places where Walmart might be the only reasonably priced place to get ammo in town (even when there isn't a 'shortage') because the other places in town that sell ammo are priced 25% or more higher than the Walmart price for the same ammo.  Then there are places where there is nowhere in town to buy ammo and you have to drive into the next town (or further) even to find a Walmart.   I know that the Internet is an option but as someone who doesn't generally buy 'in bulk' I really don't see paying shipping costs on two or three boxes that are so high that I could buy another box of ammo at Walmart for what shipping would cost.  Doesn't really make much economic sense, to me.

Yep, this is not a method to take lightly. Best shot was one grazing. They will eat, look around and eat again. Take aim while the deer grazes and wait for it to look around. When it takes back to grazing again and moves into your view, take the shot. Randomly aiming at a deers head is irresponsible. You must be sure of your shot. BUT, that goes with any shot really.

They are already getting bad up near Monterey, and will continue to expand. Best advice is make friends with a few farmers that have them and get added to their list

There are a number of factors in determining the circumstances in which a lawsuit could "pierce the corporate veil", or in which you are personally liable for the actions of your LLC.  I don't like to post legal advice on a public forum, but I'll say that in most cases David's attorney is correct.  I know quite a few solo practice attorneys who operate as sole proprietors if that tells you anything.  If you have a firm with other lawyers, or a business with other partners and want to shield yourself from liability for their actions, you're dealing with a different scenario altogether.  

Here ya go, first report (I woke up too early, going back to bed :)):   Just a little blurb: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/jul/16/body-discovered-in-vacant-lot-near-downtown/   KnoxNews links change a lot, so:   "KNOXVILLE — No obvious signs of foul play were found in the death of a homeless man discovered in a vacant lot near downtown Knoxville on Tuesday. A passer-by happened upon the body in the overgrown lot shortly after 5 p.m. while walking along Dale Avenue near Cowen Street, according to Knoxville Police Department Sgt. Sean Hejna. “Right now, it appears to be natural,” Hejna said. It was not immediately clear how long the victim had been dead, he added. An autopsy is expected to determine the cause of death. More details as they develop online and in Wednesday’s News Sentinel."   - OS

Sorry, but you can't blame an employer for their employee breaking the rules because you THINK they don't make enough. As with any job, if you don't think you make enough or you don't like the rules you are free to quit. If Walmart is the pinnacle of employment for a person then they have no one to blame but themselves for their station in life and have no excuse to break the rules. Probably illegal as well since I doubt he is reporting the income to the IRS. If he is making money off every shipment then chances are he is pulling in at least 25% of his wages from his side business. He should be fired.

According to her comments, she should be charged with 2nd degree hate crime. She incited trayvon by telling him the creepy ass cracker goin to rape you and your lil brother. So it sounds like trayvon was going to lay the smack down on zimmerman because he thought he was gay. I could believe that

You know how we sometimes say " Pics, or it didn't happen" ? This time we'll just take your word for it.

Yes a .223 can cleanly kill deer. So can a .22 short. That doesn't mean that either should be recommended for the task. I killed lots of hogs in Florida with a .22mag. I won't recommend hog hunting with a .22mag.    A .223 is a suitable choice if the shot is well placed. That said, my daughter put a 100gr .243 in a doe's chest a few years ago. Knocked the doe down, but the shot was a little high, top of the lung. The doe traveled a long way and was only recovered with the aid of a dog. She was only off a couple inches. If that shot had been made with a 30-06, I don't think the deer would have gotten back up. Part of the killing equation is transfer of energy. A larger diameter bullet of heavier weight has the ability to transfer more energy. That, coupled with the larger margin of error that a larger caliber can compensate for, make the .223 a less attractive recommendation for deer.    I don't have a problem recommending a .223 in an AR style rifle to get a kid or lady started hunting. The low recoil helps them practice more and so long as a responsible hunter is coaching them on shot placement, then it's one more hunter joining our ranks.    But if a full grown man walks into a gun shop and says, "What's the best caliber for deer hunting?" I don't think the answer should ever be .223.    I believe that Tennessee changing the law to allow any center fire caliber for deer hunting is proof enough that the .223 can be an effective round for deer. Hunt with what you like, hunt how you like, be responsible and enjoy the sport. That's way more important that the caliber you choose. 

I don't think that is what he's saying at all. I think what he's trying to say; for example. The deer is turned at a 45 degree angle and you take a heart lung shot. It might not get both lungs. Or the heart at all. If using a 60g soft point in 223 and for example it hit a shoulder blade. It could deflect and not do the damage needed for a clean kill. A 168g from a 308 will not bat an eye at that same shot, it will penetrate that bone and turn vitals to pudding. I know Kharman is most likely using a 30/06 and if I had to hazard a guess, around 180g. This does NOT give him the ability to take a poor shot nor do I think he would. It DOES allow him to take a more difficult shot with an amount of confidence you don't get from smaller calibers. I may be wrong.

What I really want to know is what greedy SOB sold Holmes the gas to drive to the theater in the first place. 

I managed to pry one from the hands of another member here.  It's my wife's carry pistol now.  She loves it.  Some say they can be picky about ammo but this one eats just about anything.  I put 250 rounds of wolf crap through it when I got it just to be sure it would be reliable.  It worked 100%.       I will say this, it's attractive, compact and in such a small package, the 9x19 really packs a punch, but it is NOT a fun gun to shoot.  In fact, judging it by the standards of a range toy, it downright sucks. 250 rounds in one range session will leave you not wanting to shoot anything for a few days.