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Wow, sounds like many of you have already given up. Do you really think that all the progress we've made in the past few years is going to just disappear because of this?   Let's not let our emotions get the best of us; that's what the gun grabbers are going to do. Let's continue to articulate facts in a calm and rational manner. We must be prepared to counter the propaganda that will surely come from the MSM. Our friends and acquaintances who are on the fence about this are looking to us to provide some factual information. They may not tell us that, but they are.

I disagree that this will be the beginning of the end of gun ownership.  I don't see many (or any) of the millions of new gun owners over the last few years just turning in their weapons because of today.  As more and more people buy guns, and more states issue some form of carry, violent crime is decreasing.  People know this.  Congress knows it. The U.S. Supreme Court knows it.  This is just an extremely raw event, emotionally.  But time does heal, and hopefully logic will prevail.  (Of course the usual anti-gun media outlets and politicians will always be there.)   I don't make too many predictions, but if I owned a gun store I'd be calling in extra help for tomorrow.  It will be a busy day, coast to coast. 

So the wife and I went to Cool Springs mall to do some Christmas shopping (actually she did and just took me along), I was planted our in the foyer when some wannabe thugs/punks were walking around the top throwing change at people down below (terrible aim too, they missed everyone). I spotted one before he disappeared into the crowd, and performed handicapped ninja moves to get up the escalator and track them down.   They had went over to another section above the Apple store, getting ready to start throwing things again so I put on my old crazy guy face, pulled out a dollar bill and sat next to them on the bench rubbing against them (mind you there was plenty of empty space and other places to sit, I just wanted to make them uncomfortable). Looked at one of them and asked if they had change for a dollar, scooted a little closer and asked louder. One of them got puffy and another guy said no, and I said "that's a shame, cause I can't afford to throw dollars over the balcony, I prefer to use nickels instead"    All three of them took off & me being the ass that I am, I spent another 10 minutes following them staring, and making sure they seen me. They went over to the food court and I disappeared for a few minutes, went around the back way, snuck up behind them and sat down at the table and asked "You got change for a dollar?"  It creeped them out so bad they left their drinks on the table and bolted for the door   Should've probably just called security on them, but it wouldn't have been as fun  :rofl:

Assumptions about gun laws aside. Remember the families that lost their loved ones and the first responders who walked into a room of children who had been shot to death. As a mental health counselor I knowthe the effects will be far reaching for these people. I am sitting here holding my 5 month old asleep in my arms with tears in my eyes for this tragedy. God help them.

Wonder why this sort of thing doesn't happen in Israel? Oh yeah! All the teachers over there are required to qualify and carry a weapon. How many of these precious little ones could have been saved by one teacher with a Glock 19? Oh, you can't say that! That would make too much sense and wouldn't be fair to potential murderers. This country I'd f'd up and sick. Lack of spine and testicular fortitude on the part of citizens as a whole is the reason this crap happens. I hope this guy is in hell getting butt raped with a pineapple. God! How many Christmas trees have gifts under them that won't be getting opened.

  Copying a very well written post from M4C...   In the grand scheme of things, these shootings are a pimple on an elephants ass compared to the real problems facing America today. All though tragic, more people have been killed in automobile crashes today than the CT elementary school shooting. Any legislation to ban firearms in private hands will be done as merely another slight of hand to further distract us from the true problem, and that is an out of control government that can't balance a checkbook.

Ya'll need to lighten up on the conspiracy theory shit.  Simple fact is this country is full of retards prone to violence.

I watched it ........ the whole thing. I'm not trying to downplay the situation by any means but not only the way he wiped the "tears" seemed odd, I told my wife during the live broadcast that it seemed very strange that he was reading every single word (word for word) from notes and was constantly staring at the paperwork. I know he normally uses a telle-prompter - but this was different. It would seem that if you were truly speaking to the nation and it was coming from the heart, which this situation should surely deserve, you would do just that - face the camera and speak from inside your soul - not read a pre-written series of lines. I also thought it seemed that he was reading something that someone else had written because of the way that he stumbled with each line of the message. Hmmmm ......... truly a "heart felt" moment there Mr. President. I'm sorry, but the families of the victims and the people of this country deserve better - much, much better! This was not the place nor time for swinging into your gun ban agenda. I am truly sickened and saddened by this event - but at the same time, this President continues to infuriate me!

Personally, with 20 dead kids, I think I'm going to refuse to play our usual anti-pro gun game tonight. May God have mercy on the families. I suggest saying a prayer or whatever passes for one.

Israel. As many others have said, this is just horrible.

Just pick up a rock and throw it in any direction you choose and you'll probably hit at least one contributing reason for them.   Basically, people are naturally flawed and sinful and some are downright evil; most people manage to live decent, peaceful lives even with their flaws...some don't.

Let's see: according to the various "who should vote" threads:     1. I'll have to own some new property, even though I have in the past.   2. Since the economy has tanked on my investments so that I'm getting close to the no income tax line, may have to go back to work to make sure I pay taxes, even though I've paid them most every year since I was 16.   3. Will have to find a way to stop social security benefits   4. And learn to use a slide rule.   It's true, the country has really changed!   - OS

I just joined this forum about 2 weeks ago and I have basically been "lurking" the whole time, but there are some good points made in this thread and I thought I would add a little to it. When I was deployed last year to Afghanistan EVERYONE carried a loaded rifle and most had a grenade. We never had people shooting up "chow halls" because everyone was armed and could defend themselves. Do you think a coward would go into a school and try to shoot someone if they knew within the first 5 rounds being fired they would be on the way to their maker? Absolutely NOT. Someone that would kill a child is a lowlife piece of trash and wouldn't have the balls to be taken down like a man. This truly breaks my heart, and I pray for those children and their families.

    Wow.  I don't think anyone in this thread has said that they plan to turn in their guns tomorrow in light of this tragic event.  Why don't you stop over-sensationalizing things (much like the media), skip the role of TGO's Internet Bully, and just treat your fellow members decently for a while?

From the best speech he ever gave.  Some words that comforted me in the days after September 11 and that I carry as a remembrance to this day.  From one of our underratted theologians, George W. Bush   our wounds as a people are recent and unhealed and lead us to pray. In many of our prayers this week, there is a searching and an honesty. At St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York on Tuesday, a woman said, "I prayed to God to give us a sign that He is still here." Others have prayed for the same, searching hospital to hospital, carrying pictures of those still missing.   God's signs are not always the ones we look for. We learn in tragedy that his purposes are not always our own. Yet, the prayers of private suffering, whether in our homes or in this great cathedral, are known and heard and understood.   There are prayers that help us last through the day or endure the night. There are prayers of friends and strangers that give us strength for the journey. And there are prayers that yield our will to a will greater than our own.   This world He created is of moral design. Grief and tragedy and hatred are only for a time. Goodness, remembrance, and love have no end. And the Lord of life holds all who die and all who mourn.   ...   America is a nation full of good fortune, with so much to be grateful for. But we are not spared from suffering. In every generation, the world has produced enemies of human freedom. They have attacked America because we are freedom's home and defender. And the commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time.   On this National Day of Prayer and Remembrance, we ask Almighty God to watch over our Nation and grant us patience and resolve in all that is to come. We pray that He will comfort and console those who now walk in sorrow. We thank Him for each life we now must mourn and the promise of a life to come.   As we have been assured, neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, can separate us from God's love.    May He bless the souls of the departed. May He comfort our own, and may He always guide our country.

Too only have 3 injured with 26+ dead...This was an execution style killing.   According to reports, 1 entire classroom is unaccounted for.     People like this make me sick.  I hope he enjoys the eternal hell he will be in for eternity in the firey pits of hell.

I am always amazed that we guard our banks, our federal buildings, our airports...but we leave our most helpless with no protection at all.  Prayers for the families.

I don't post much, prefer to read, but I think this may be the end. It's been a good ride. 230+ years of the 2nd amendment were good. This is so f'n terrible I could see people with favorable opinions of guns turning on them. I have a little boy, hearing of a tragedy like this hurts my heart. They're so defenseless. What kind of animal can do this? To little kids... What we gotta do is rid this world of these gd demented lunatics. Not sure how but we got to. It needs to start with NO news coverage of this crap. End the glamour of infamy.

Maybe. Fact is, this happened in a state with stout gun control. One could argue that it ain't real effective when it comes down to it. Happened in a gun free zone to boot.

This might just be the final straw.

My favorite quote from the opinion was, " " A man's home may be his castle, but when he goes out, the Constitution goes with him."

This was a tragic event.   I can not even imagine how the parents of the school children feel. Victim and survivor.   I came home and hugged my daughter, it took me ten minutes to let go.   I am abhorred that it has already turned into a gun argument.    I read it somewhere in this thread already:   "Too many folks mistake coffins for soapboxes."   That is what sickens me the most.

RGIS? What sort of work will you be doing? Congrats on the job though! Further evidence that there is indeed work out there for those that actually want it. If you don't mind me asking, how long were you without a job (and thus on unemployment I presume)? I don't think it was much over 2 months was it?    My main point here is that there are so many people on unemployment but here you are and you are able to find a job within a short amount of time compared to people on unemployment and welfare for ages.

  And many won't, some might even see such a law as the last straw...  banning guns will result in a lot more deaths than was seen in CT today.

  Well, I feel that an armed populace is good at preventing two things: Tyranny in government and crime. I don't know how well it goes against deterring truly crazy people from doing crazy things. The CT shooter took his own life; Nearly all mass shooters take their own life. They plan on doing so before they ever begin shooting. I don't think an armed population would prevent a person from acting out on lunacy, but an armed population would be good at stopping a crazy person from shooting a large number of people.   I'm just not sure that an armed population will prevent a madman from trying to shoot as many people as possible. It's just, an armed population is going to make sure that the madman doesn't get very far with his plans.

Thank you for your service. I agree it has never been the object's fault but the fault of the mentally defective person behind the trigger.

I wish I didn't agree with you...I truly do but I think I have to.   There has never been a doubt in my mind that in a second term, Obama will go after our guns as completely and absolutely as he possibly can. This event gives him what he needs to go further and be even more blatant about it,   I don't expect he'll go after the 2A with a frontal assault but rather, he'll do it through executive orders and "rules" from his parrots in such cabinet agencies as Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and others. They'll control size of magazines, "allowable accessories", control over the materials used in ammunition, "gasses" allowed to be expelled when a cartridge is discharged and probably 100 other ways I can't even think of at the moment.  Congress won't be able to stop it because none of it will go through Congress.   I don't know if it can be stopped now...this tragedy is almost beyond anyone's comprehension. Soon, being "anti-gun control" or "pro-firearms" will be synonymous with being pro-child murder.

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Holy jesus!    They really need to bring back public executions in situations like this. Plenty of people would stand in line and volunteer to yank the handle on the platform on bastards like these.

Sickos. Of course, the Libtards are gonna blame the guns. We may be in for some rough times.

How many people here would hesitate to shoot a person who just kicked in their door? Unless that person is running away, they're getting perforated if they are still standing there when the door flys open.

Needs more cowbell.

Yeah... my carbon footprint is kinda big.   2011 Raptor and 2012 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited.

When I saw the thread title, my first thought was ... I usually just throw her over my shoulder and go.

[quote name="mav" post="860387" time="1355531675"]I have mixed emotions about this tragedy.  It breaks my heart, and I feel absolutely terrible for the families and children.  I don't even have the words to express my sympathy.   The reason I said I have mixed emotions about this is because I am also absolutely livid at politicians like Bloomberg.  What kind of f***ing human being does it take to exploit this tragedy to push some bull**** agenda?  I guarantee you there are some who probably celebrated over this because they see opportunity.  It is just sickening.[/quote] I wouldn't use the term "human being" to describe Bloomberg myself

I think we settled on Space Shuttle Door Gunner/Scuba Ninjas

  The latest report I saw -- Brother was in NJ, not at the scene.  Brother is fully co-operating, FB even reinstated his facebook page.  It was also being widely reported that both the Father and Brother had nothing to do with this.  Both seem to be giving authorities more info on the 20 year old and his mental health/status.   These firearms were legally owned/registered by the perp's mother.  Therefore, the son *Stole* them and used them.  He committed several felonies PRIOR to actually killing anyone.    We're back at the fact that these firearms weren't legally owned & operated by the perp.  They were stolen, just like thugs get ahold of stolen firearms on the street.

Okay, a little history....     Asperger's Disorder (or Asperger syndrome), a form of Autism falls under Pervasive Developmental Disorders. Children and adults with this syndrome have poor social skills and do not interact with others without direct prompting. It is not a personality disorder.   For a visual think about the movie "Rainman", that is a poor example.   As someone who actually diagnosis mental health disorders, including Autism and Asperger's, I warn you not to believe initial reports.     There MAY have been a misunderstanding or misspronounciation for Antisocial personality disorder. That is a personality disorder that show disregard for others, and patterns of criminal activity.       One other item.... Asperger's is sometimes misdiagnosed for Schizophrenia.....

  It really doesn't matter if you said "new" or not. I will repost my comment here without it since you believe that one little word nips my [point. :)       You still think rights should be purchased. You still think the poor can afford unconstitutional taxes if they can afford a weapon.   The word "new" does not change anything here.

Liberal Whacks Already Calling For "IMMEDIATE ACTION" Against 2nd Amendment     BLOOMBERG: OBAMA MUST TAKE 'IMMEDIATE ACTION' AGAINST GUNS http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Bloomberg-politicizes-shooting       BOSTON MAYOR MENINO: TIME FOR 'NATIONAL POLICY ON GUNS' http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Menino-gun-control       Hey Menino, we already have one, it's called the 2nd Amendment!

Some initial reports that the 20 year old alleged perpetrator is autistic, Asperger's Syndrome and/or OCD personality disorder, and that the guns he used belong to his mother. At 20, don't think he has legal access to pistols, used in the attack. How did he get them from his mother? Surely his mother was aware of his medical conditions.   There are already guns laws on the books that limit guns from 20 year olds with mental issues.

yep, its the race to be first, not the race to be correct

Haha! He's had this built for awhile. Thought it was funny when Haley came out with something "new".

Problem is, these cowards always kill themselves first.

HOW MANY LIVES COULD A LEGALLY ARMED TEACHER HAVE SAVED!    Or Hell even a LEGALLY ARMED parent that just might have been there for what ever reason!   The "GUN FREE ZONE" Only applies to the honest people! The lunatics will still do what they want to do!

Or just wait. Based on my experience, babies come out eventually.

Haven't you ever heard of the lady sheriff with the big...

Motion activated water sprinklers.

I realize that.  I was just hypothesizing about confiscation.  I see the banning of private sales as a stepping stone.

I asked in another thread, you a member of the NRA and more specifically to TN law, the TFA?   Certainly more effective long term than the occasional forum rant.   - OS