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After watching it again, I cant help but think he looked at it and said, "These are not the droids you are looking for." While waving his hand.

  You're obviously a racist. Did you get that way growing up in Memphis? :)

Check out the M&P's. Something for everyone and American made.  

And Zimmerman had quite the history as well, so I'm not going to buy that Martin was a thug who conspired to get whitey that night simply because he smoked pot and cursed a lot in text messages. Thank God there was no such thing as social media other than the bathroom wall when I was in high school or I'd be thrown under the jail by some of the folks here. If we want to focus on Martin's past and attribute that to his guilt in committing an unprovoked assault, why would the following not be relevant: 1. Allegations of sexual abuse by a younger female in Zmmerman's own family. 2. Assertion from at least one family member that Zimmerman is extremely confrontational and violent. 3. The restraining order and accusations of domestic violence made by a former girlfriend. 4. Being arrested for assaulting a police officer (after confronting said officer for investigating one of his buddies for underage drinking). 5. Lying boldfaced to a judge in a courtroom, as we all watched on national television. I realize that folks will individually explain away each and every one of those points. I also realize that sometimes folks make mistakes and sometimes folks get accused of things they didn't do. However, looking at the TOTALITY of these incidents tells me that there is either some truth that Zimmerman is an untrustworthy scumbag OR the world is just out to get him. There are some damn smart folks here. For you smart folks, think about the people you know who always find themselves in these types of situations and how it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault. I realize none of these things make him guilty if murdering Martin, but they do provide an insight to his character, so anyone taking his story at face value is a fool.

Good points, but I don't blame his parents for bringing in JJ and Sharpton. They felt like their sons case was being discarded and knew that these two self absorbed idiots would bring attention to the case. Good move in my opinion.

Sounds good on paper. Not sure I have that much faith or trust in my fellow man.

Good read. Now, go and post about Zimmermans brushes with the law. We wouldn't want people to think that he was an angel. I know that a lot of you guys are perfect and have raised perfect children. I don't condone Martins teenaged behavior, but I also won't say that he couldn't have become a solid citizen because of his actions as a teen. I exibited similar behavior as a teen. Later, I shook the cobwebs off, got somewhat educated, served this country in combat and now I'm trying to raise my kids to be solid citizens. I've stated before that some of you are trying to apply adult logic to a teens thought process. That would be crazier than Martin thinking that it was a good idea to double back and confront Zimmerman. Remember that there was only one adult at the scene of the crime. Finally, it was good to see the text from Martins father. It shows that despite their circumstances, maybe someone did love the young man and had at one point attempted to raise him properly. We can't control our kids behavior 24 hours a day.

An old military friend of mine came to see me for a few days last week. This guy is your typical, laid back, easy going guy as long as he doesn't run into stupidity. I remember in the service always hearing of his heroics on the flight back from whatever mission he had been on. I never got tired of listening to the stories of how his actions had rallied everyone's spirits and given them the courage to push on when things started looking bleak. He was a true hero many times over for his "take no s*@t" mentality when things seemed too difficult for them to overcome as a team. We became very good friends over the years and have remained close ever since. We were going to see another old military buddy one day and there was this guy in front of us who was going about 20 mph in a 40, pulling a trailer loaded with lumber. We were on a road with broken yellow lines and plenty of room to see no one was coming so, after about 3 minutes of following this guy and realizing we had plenty of room to pass, he pulled out and started to pass him. Well, it was one of these guys who thinks it's fun to play games and speed up, keeping you behind him just so he could be the man with all the "power" in this little battle. He kept this up for a couple of miles until there was enough room where we had more than enough time to get around him without having to back off because of someone coming. Now had I been driving what happened next would have never transpired, but once we were in front of him my friend, whom I'll refer to as "Joey", slows down and stops, telling me he was going to give the guy the opportunity he so wanted to "kick our a*#", which he so vehemently yelled out over and over as we finally made it around him. No sooner had Joey stopped that the guy behind us was already out of his truck and power walking his way up to the car. I knew at this point what was probably going to happen, and since there were 2 other guys in the truck with this jerk, I considered stepping out, but I had no worries that Joey had this covered. As soon as my friend steps out of the car, accelerator boy was almost at the trunk of our vehicle, all raging and acting like he was Rocky or something. As soon as Joey gets to him there were just 2 punches and accelerator boy was laying in the road, bleeding profusely from an obvious broken nose and busted lip. Probably some loose teeth also. His friends were smart enough to stay in the truck, and Joey gets back in and we pull off, leaving accelerator boy to pick himself up and get back in his truck. While it was satisfying to see someone like this finally get what he deserved, I realized that since I was carrying, had this happened to me I  would have had to have the restraint to hold back that inner urge to give this jerk what he had coming. I also realized that, if I had been approached by this guy at, say the store down the road where we stopped and got something to drink, that I would have also had to have the humility to back down from him, or at least try and de-escalate the situation, for fear of having to get into an altercation with 3 knuckleheads. While I had no worries I could have handled the situation, had one of these wacko's pulled a knife or something like that, pulling my gun would not have been the smartest thing to do because any good prosecutor would have argued that I did NOT do all I could have to walk away from the situation. And that's where the discipline comes in. Just because you have the right to carry doesn't mean you should exercise it for any and all situations. Sure, if one of them had pulled a knife on me I'm sure I would have been justified in pulling my weapon. But not for something in which I had started, or at least participated in instead of just walking away. And that's what I feel a lot of people don't realize. Just because we carry and have that right to use deadly force doesn't mean it is always justified. When someone calls you a name or acts like a jerk it doesn't mean it's smart to stand your ground. Sometimes humility is what's called for. And that's why I'm glad my friend has decided he doesn't need to have a permit. He has the wisdom to realize he was pushed too far too many times in the service to be the type to walk away from some knucklehead who doesn't realize what he's up against. And for that I not only respect him, but have learned from him. Once again.  

I don't know the particulars but this statement sucks...     Defending your home â‰ defending property.

If the BJs are free, I guess the least that I could do is pay for the first round.:)

Wow, so based on some of y'all's logic, having an opinion such as mine is somehow condemning a man to jail or something. I had no idea my opinion held so much power. Guess I'll head on down to The Tilted Kilt and let them know my opinion is that the waitresses should start giving free BJs. By some folks logic it is wrong to think a man committed a crime until he is found guilty. I'm curious how many folks thought OJ was innocent because he hadn't been proven guilty. Or how about Casey Anthony, or perhaps Michael Jackson? We have opinions, and sometimes they're different. I have some pretty good reasons for why I formed my opinions. At a minimum I would not count anything Zimmerman says as trustworthy based on his past, so even if I thought he was telling the truth I'd be skeptical. I'm not on a jury nor am I a judge. My opinion holds no weight of the law, so calm your rhetoric about the guilty til proven innocent stuff. I ain't the law.

  I Brita filter my water just to make coffee, the good thing about it is I don't have to add any Clorox to my washer because our tap water has enough clorine in it to make whites whiter and colors brighter.

I find it amusing that the pro Zimmerman guys are always saying that they are presenting facts when all any of us can do is base our opinions based upon the limited amount of information presented to us by our chosen source of news.

So it's cool to hold the opinion that Martin committed a crime, but it is wrong to have the opinion that Zimmerman committed a crime? Could someone map that logic out for me?

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I'm amazed at all the child molesters who've posted in these Martin/Zimmerman threads. Don't ask me for proof, because a feeling is all that's needed to throw such accusations around. If I think it, it must be true.  

We will probably do it until someone starts another Obama thread.

I’ve tried to stay out of a debate with the race baiters; no one ever has or ever will do well in that discussion. I see a whole bunch of racism from the usual suspects, but also from people I would have never thought I would see it coming from. It doesn’t matter whether he was profiling Martin; he didn’t have the authority to profile anyone other than to call 911 and let them handle it. Will either side try to show he was or was not profiling based on race? I don’t know is there people on the witness lists that were stopped by Zimmerman? Have 911 tapes of Zimmerman’s previous calls been subpoenaed? I don’t own a hoodie and I’ve never been called a liberal let alone a libtard. I’m a conservative that believes in law and order, being responsible for your actions, and thinks Zimmerman acted recklessly and it resulted in Martins death. The verdict no longer matters in this case. Zimmerman is now and will for the rest of his life suffer the consequences of his actions; right or wrong. The case will have zero impact on most of us on our abilities to protect ourselves. It may impact some that think they can start whatever they want because they have a gun. If you think that take a look at Zimmerman a couple of years from now; regardless of the verdict.

If you like the Glock why not the 19. Small enough to carry but enough barrel length to be accurate. And a high round count.

I agree. I would have called whoever I needed to call to get justice if someone murdered my son. George Zimmerman is standing trial because some citizens did not agree with the DA’s decisions. They went to higher authorities who decided to bench him and put in a replacement. Both sides of this are yelling racism; and will be long after the verdict is read.   IMO what led this case to trial has little to do with race and a lot to do with citizens not standing for a bad call.

Maybe the case was being discarded...maybe it should have been. Maybe the reason it was being discarded because the original DA (instead of the one they had to go shopping for) looked at the evidence and knew there was no crime that Zimmerman committed. ;)

Your absolutely right Link, we'll never know if Trayvon would have eventually turned his life around or if he would have ended up bieng in/out of prison. All we know is that he was a "troubled teen" who seemingly had embraced the thug lifestyle and despite the warnings of friends/family continued to misbehave. As his friend had predicted, Trayvon's out of control behavior did indeed earn him "one in the chest", so Trayvon was well aware of the potential consequences of the path he had chosen, and because it was his brutal assault which forced Zimmerman to end his young life, I am having a difficult time feeling any sort of sympathy for him. I'd probably had felt some sympathy for his parents had they not turned this tragic event into a racial circus, grieving is one thing, blaming "whitey" because you couldn't control your kid is another.

Many here would be livid if someone brought up the fact that a gun owner involved in a shooting had smoked pot or talked to their friends about guns. But it seems okay to make those accusations about a murder victim. It’s okay though; open the doors and let the mudslinging begin. Many more people will be able to identify with someone that smoked pot or talked about guns than someone that attacked a Police Officer and had an order of protection taken out against him by his girlfriend because of domestic violence. If character assassination becomes an issue in this trial those facts coupled with Zimmerman’s perjury will destroy him.

Good thing Zimmerman has a squeaky clean background.

Impossible! There is no way this kid could be involved in that stuff

and all of this is why I prefer to avoid used cars.   Yeah you may save some money,  most likely will I suppose.  But I always figure that used car was dumped by the owner for a reason.

So we have all these giant databases of every human activity, but the IRS can't even cross reference mailing addresses to sniff out fraud?   That's just typical of how fricked up the whole giant bureaucracy really is.   - OS

does that mean you will buy more powder lol good luck with your new job

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/why-you-should-think-like-a-green-beret-instead-of-a-doomsday-prepper_022013      

  I still can't believe you can be investigated as a terrorist for making a simple complaint, that fascist clown has to be making this up. If anyone should be investigated for terrorism it's this jack boot Sherwin Smith for threatening people for exercising their 1st. amendment rights.

  Yep. Like arguing with a liberal, ain't it? :)

It all depends on if the zombies are fast or slow

as Raoul advised Glock 19 for the following reasons: 1) reliability second to none 2) available accessories second to none 3) customer service second to none 4) resell second to none 5) ease of maintenance second to none.

we used the carfax report when replacing my wifes SUV after our recent accident.  Most seem pretty accurate, but surely not perfect.  I cant fathom the thought of the depreciation a new car takes when it leaves the lot.  Ive never bought a brand new car for this reason.  However I have bought used cars with remaining factory warranties.  People trade cars all the time just because they want to, not because there is something wrong.  Plus if something is major wrong it will ususally present itself before the warranty expires.  We did purchase an extended factory warranty with my wifes SUV that takes us to 100K miles, maybe not a good value if we dont use it, but with one repair it can pay for itself.  Its all a gamble.   As to the original story and video, I wouldnt think its the salesmans job to dig into the vehicles comprehensive background as the News guy suggests.  Hell the only reason they offer carfax reports is because eveyone expects it now.  Believe me, theyd be just as happy NOT showing the history in most cases. 

  That caught my eye too. It doesn't matter how he would have turned out.   About a year after I got out of high school, a good friend of mine got shot in the face and died. He wasn't a bad guy at all, and would have turned out just fine in life. It doesn't matter. He deserved to get shot in the face for his actions at the time. His father, who I also knew very well, called it murder. The court didn't.   There was so much media bias on the front end of this case, I don't blame anybody for showing Trayvon's true colors. He probably wasn't really a hardened thug, but he also wasn't that baby faced kid that the media showed EVERYWHERE.

I really don't care what his thought processes were that night...he was playing an adult game and he won an adult prize. The only things that actually matters are... 1) whether Zimmerman did or was doing anything illegal and/or that justified Martin's attack, and 2) whether Martin's attack was sufficient to justify. If Zimmerman acted illegally or gave Martin sufficient reason to launch an assault on Zimmerman then Zimmerman can't use SD as an affirmative defense. However, if Zimmerman didn't do either of those things then the only remaining question is whether Martin's assault on Zimmerman was sufficient to justify Zimmerman using deadly force...all rest is immaterial.   I'm sure one or both of Martin's parents "loved" him; they may have even tried to "raise him properly" but I don't really care; all I care about is what I stated above.  

I don't usually do "product endorsements" but I think this one deserves it.   Last week I ordered "SAFEALERT" through Liberty Safe's website; Mark at the SafeHouse delivered it to me...this is a monitoring system for your safe that is really pretty cool.   You do need wireless internet and there is a monitoring fee but I think it's worth it.  The set-up was very easy; not quite "set it and forget it" but almost. :)   I like it because should anyone actually get to my safe without setting off my alarm system (or a kid, etc perhaps opens my safe door while visiting because I forget that I had it unlocked) it will alert you by email and/or text message that someone has opened or closed the door or if any vibration/movement is detected.  It will also alert for unusual temperature fluctuations inside your safe (such as a fire), and moisture content. In other words, it gives you some precious advance warning if someone may be breaking into your safe or something equally bad is happening. It's about $200 so it's not cheap but what is these days.   Anyway, I just thought I'd pass this along.     http://www.libertysafe.com/accessory-safelert-safe-monitor-ps-17-pg-85.html    

They had an expert a while back (a real one) who spoke about how ridiculous it would be to try and do a voice analysis on someone screaming. Either side attempting to use junk science should have their garbage thrown out.

If not cheaper it is worth the peace of mind at least. I don't have to worry about my wife having vehicle issues that can't be corrected by the dealer at no charge out of pocket. I don't see a huge benefit of buying new vehicles with a 3 year / 36,000 mi warranty vs. a used vehicle with low mileage. However, 10 year / 120K is certainly worth it. Plus I respect any company that will stand by their product like that, which is why I won't be buying another dodge.

Your friend initiated a confrontation and then committed an assault. If the guys friends had got out of the truck and you had pulled a gun; you probably would have been arrested even if no one was shot. I’m surprised they didn’t call the cops and have him arrested.   I don’t put myself in those kinds of situations when I’m armed and would be pizzed if a “friend” put me in one. It’s a good thing you have the right state of mind; many don’t.

Nothing wrong with buying a used car but you can't take anyone quite at face value today.  Any car I buy used is going to have a history run on it and be inspected by my mechanic.

  Rayburn is a douchebag, but I don't blame him one bit for this. We all need to start rebelling against retarded laws.

Bureaucrats and politicians should be changed as often as a baby's diaper. Send Mr. Sherwin packing.

i do .. one would think me a fanboy but yeah somehow i keep ending up with M&P's lol .. M&P 15 Sport, M&P .22, M&P 9mm Talo edition and M&P 9mm with my custom zombie green fingernail polish job :rofl:

I used to work in restaurants and we always had a container behind the bar with vodka marinating with cherries or other such fruit. I think this may be what they are referring to. I'd never order that crap at a bar now but back then it was novel. Also once you've taken the liquor from its original container it was impossible to prove what it was or where it came from. So it's also impossible to prove whether the proper taxes had been paid on it.

Say it ain't so!!   That's terrible.   I hope someone isn't punished with a Silver Star. . . .

Needs to work on shot placement. Then we would not have to pay his medical bills.

  Ouch!  That's cold man.   True...., but cold.

Does it really matter? You'll just sell it six months from now.

And it could double as an anti aircraft sight when all the drones are flyong overhead.