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There are entirely too many people who think "justice" = "what I want".

Could you not find a place in the 38 other Zimmerman threads for this?

Proof that liberals are stoopid.  Unless he was carrying 6,000 rounds and fired that many on his shooting spree, why is it relevant how much ammo he had?  He fired only around 100 rounds, right?  that is 60 times less than the amount of ammo he had.  He could have walked into any Walmart (back then at least) and walked out with a couple hundred rounds of .223 just as easy.  Geez, why are liberals so dumb that they can't focus on relevant facts?   Ugh, it's like the stories where a guy has a dozen guns in his collection and they freak out, calling it an arsenal.  Well, you stupid pants wetting libtards, most of us only have two effing hands!  How the hell does it matter if I have one firearm or 1,000?  I can only shoot one at a time.

What I really want to know is what greedy SOB sold Holmes the gas to drive to the theater in the first place. 

George Zimmerman deserves nothing more than what he already got.  If he didn't want the backlash from all of this, he should have thought about that when he chose not to follow instructions from the 911 operators and to continue following the kid.   While George Zimmerman may have been found not guilty of the crimes he was charged with, he was guilty of being an idiot and PUTTING HIMSELF IN A BAD SITUATION. 

OS, I think some TGOers' call that amount "Tuesday".

  Of course. Lots of guns owners, me included, would consider 6K rounds merely a decent start.   - OS

I disagree. I hope he stays and gets involved in high profile defense attorney type cases. I think it would be great if he sues the fire out of them the uses the money to get a law degree and become a defense attorney himself. To run and hide would APPEAR to the uneducated masses as an admission of some sort of guilt. The sheeple will not accept him leaving only for his personal safety. People will cry that he's a guilty coward who runs and hides. He stood his ground and he needs to continue to do so.

We need to flood the NAACP and DOJ with requests every time there is a black on non-black crime.

Since Mid March ive rode 700+ miles on my bicycle and lost 26 pounds. When i started i went 3 miles and about died. Now i knock 16 miles out daily and get bored soon as im done. Im a riding junkie now. Lol

. I disagree. I rarely watch the local news because that's all they ever talk about. There are some good things happening in Memphis, but keeping the citizens afraid is a big and profitable business.

  Fear mongering, aka libtard 101

I don't think that is what he's saying at all. I think what he's trying to say; for example. The deer is turned at a 45 degree angle and you take a heart lung shot. It might not get both lungs. Or the heart at all. If using a 60g soft point in 223 and for example it hit a shoulder blade. It could deflect and not do the damage needed for a clean kill. A 168g from a 308 will not bat an eye at that same shot, it will penetrate that bone and turn vitals to pudding. I know Kharman is most likely using a 30/06 and if I had to hazard a guess, around 180g. This does NOT give him the ability to take a poor shot nor do I think he would. It DOES allow him to take a more difficult shot with an amount of confidence you don't get from smaller calibers. I may be wrong.

I am not saying take an intentionally poor shot.  As they say, sh*t happens.  The deer takes a step or you flinch or you deflect off a branch you didn't see...  There are lots of reasons, most beyond the hunters control, that can cause the bullet to impact somewhere other than where it was supposed to.  Having a larger caliber just gives you more margin of error.

I'm a hypocrite. I tell most people that its a bad idea but I have no qualms about using it. I'm also VERY picky and patient. I'm fine with not taking a shot and going home empty handed. I wait for the perfect shot or take a pass. I use a Barnes bullet and put it either right on the heart or, of the stars are in alignment, I will put it in the head. *gasp!*. I can also shoot a half inch or less at a hundred with my CZ527. Side of the head between the ear and eye and they fall right there. Tis is not to be taken lightly though, too low and you can destroy the jaw and they will run away only to starve to death. It's incumbent on EVERY shooter to be absolutely honest with themselves about their skill and ability. It's also of the utmost importance that if you are going to take an animals life, do it fast and as painless as possible.

Right now, my 'irrational' fear is that .22LR ammo availability and (bulk) pricing will never return to what it once was.  At least I hope that turns out to be an irrational fear.

I must say I'm exceedingly disappointed in the people of Seminole County.  I was gone most of the day sunday and was anxiously awaiting getting home and turning on the 6:00 news to see the piles of ash and rubble that once was the greater Orlando area.  How dare they deprive me of such excellent entertainment.!  All LAPD did was beat up a guy and the free sh!t army nearly trashed the whole town.  I wanted to see Cinderella jump from the tallest tower as her castle burned, I wanted to see an angry mob chasing Mickey Mouse down Main St, I wanted to see some guys trying to harpoon Shamu....    That would've been AWESOME!   :rock:   I'm very disappointed.  :down:         :)

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  You keep throwing out this race baiter term around but who is the one baiting who here?

$139?  for another $70 you can just get your SBR stamp and put a real stock on it. 

Considering the violent crime rate in Memphis (where you profile says you live) aren't you sort of in a "bad situation" every day? ;)   Don't ever leave you truck!  :rofl:

They are going to have a hell of a time proving the the Martin's "civil rights" were violated... when you violently attack someone with sufficient force to put them in legitimate fear for their lives (which is the foundation of Zimmerman's accepted, by the jury, claim of self defense) what "civil rights" do you have?  Once you cross that line you don't even have the right to life which is why the victim is allowed to use deadly force in the first place.   Couple that with Zimmerman's long history of not only not being a racist but of actively helping his community and all races, especially blacks and FBI published findings that THEY couldn't find any evidence of racial bias; trying to prove Zimmerman did anything that night except defend his life after being violently attacked is going to be an uphill battle indeed.   Further, if the DOJ does go after him then we should show up by the hundreds of thousands demanding that they investigate and prosecute those who have threatened Zimmerman's life.        

I don't think this case has changed people's minds about carry laws. Folks who believed in a right to self defense likely felt vindicated by the verdict and folks who don't believe Americans should have the right to use deadly force also probably feel vindicated (by the huge injustice done not convicting someone they wanted convicted). Hell, I still hold the opinion that Zman acted criminally but am glad the verdict was based on evidence and not an emotional verdict against someone just because they find guns in the hands of citizens scary. I would say that no one has had their mind swayed on guns. Bed wetters will still be the same bed wetters, and us gun toting lunatics will still be the same gun toting lunatics.

  I expect George Zimmerman's stated desire to become a lawyer and then a prosecutor to defend people in circumstances similar to his will be steps along the path to Justice for Zimmerman and all the Zimmermans out there.   I expect George Zimmerman's lawyers, starting with the NBC lawsuit, will begin to claw back some justice for George Zimmerman and help provide him the revenue he needs to gradually claw back some of his life. You can be sure this experience has toughened him up. The thing that does not kill you only makes you strong.   Under the circumstances, George Zimmerman and his lawyers could become wealthy. Some careers are triggered by tragedy. I think of Adam Walsh's kidnapping and murder and his father's "America's Most Wanted" television show.   Some good can and will still come of this.

GZ is as white as Micheal Jackson. If they had gotten the race/nationality of Zimmerman's heritage right this would never have went to trial. 

Son and I took both of my Pietta BP replicas out today: a '51 Rebel Navy (.44) and a '58 New Army (.44).  25 gr Pyrodex P in the Navy, 30 in the New Army, also with felt wads between powder and ball.  First time he'd ever shot them...looks like it definitely ain't gonna be the last.

I'd welcome George Zimmerman as my neighbor anytime. 

That is a stack of targets, not pizza boxes.

I agree with this, but I don't agree that GZ was "looking for trouble". Instead, he was being proactive at combatting crime in his own gated community, one which had been hit with several burglaries including one where a woman was assaulted.  He called the police and followed the person whom he thought was suspicious in order to maintain sight of him until police arrived.  How, exactly, is that "looking for trouble"?  Does that same idea apply to the armed citizen who goes through his home to confront an intruder?  Does that same concept apply to one who goes outside of his/her home to investigate a suspicious noise?  He was observing and reporting like we are all told to do by law enforcement.  His firearm did not come into the scenario until the very end when he used it to end a violent confrontation started by TM that left GZ with a serious broken nose and other injuries.    Again, there is about a minute gap from the time that GZ was told not to follow TM and the shooting occurred.  GZ told the dispatcher he would meet with officers next to his truck, thus suggesting he did disengage and began to walk back to his car.  That he didn't run back to his truck fast enough to satisfy you is not relevant.

Yes a .223 can cleanly kill deer. So can a .22 short. That doesn't mean that either should be recommended for the task. I killed lots of hogs in Florida with a .22mag. I won't recommend hog hunting with a .22mag.    A .223 is a suitable choice if the shot is well placed. That said, my daughter put a 100gr .243 in a doe's chest a few years ago. Knocked the doe down, but the shot was a little high, top of the lung. The doe traveled a long way and was only recovered with the aid of a dog. She was only off a couple inches. If that shot had been made with a 30-06, I don't think the deer would have gotten back up. Part of the killing equation is transfer of energy. A larger diameter bullet of heavier weight has the ability to transfer more energy. That, coupled with the larger margin of error that a larger caliber can compensate for, make the .223 a less attractive recommendation for deer.    I don't have a problem recommending a .223 in an AR style rifle to get a kid or lady started hunting. The low recoil helps them practice more and so long as a responsible hunter is coaching them on shot placement, then it's one more hunter joining our ranks.    But if a full grown man walks into a gun shop and says, "What's the best caliber for deer hunting?" I don't think the answer should ever be .223.    I believe that Tennessee changing the law to allow any center fire caliber for deer hunting is proof enough that the .223 can be an effective round for deer. Hunt with what you like, hunt how you like, be responsible and enjoy the sport. That's way more important that the caliber you choose. 

  Very well said Caster except I use the more manly caliber of 45-70. :D

Redneck Patrol is what we have where I live, by golly!

  They burned some tires in the street in Oakland and a few dozen walked around Times Square chanting about whatever on a Sunday night.  Trust me, not one person missed work because of protests... not even the protesters.   Despite all the chatter on social media, I do believe the average person whether they be white, black, hispanic or white-Hispanic accepted the verdict and recognize that this was the case of two hotheads, not a KKK lynching of a 12 year old black kid.  This will blow over in short time once CNN and the like have squeezed every last drop of ratings they can.

"Pardon me sir, allow me to strap on my AR pistol before we engage in combat".

George will probably not be suing anyone, besides the ongoing litigation with NBC. If he gets rich, he makes himself an easy target for Ben Crump. I believe I read where Crump and his 17 Martin family attorneys were debating going through the expense of a lawsuit if there was no hope of collecting the judgement. Better to lay low, transfer assets to his wife, and ride this out until emotions die down.

There is no justice for him or TM, the only thing the lynch mob wants is revenge and nothing short of that will satisfy. The truth and law is irrelevant in this matter.

I'd go further...this is a case study for how justifiably defending yourself with deadly force can go horribly wrong.   Moreover, the same or very similar series of events could happen to ANYONE here; even those who are part of the "should have stayed in his truck/JFT" crowd

Haha, too late, I already took all the heat rounds for that. I'm sure all ammo has been expended.

Is that not the reason any person seeks to obtain a permit, to be able to protect themselves in case of an altercation?   Wonder how long Zimmerman has had his permit?  Has he ever chased anybody else down before?  Seems that if he had a pattern of such activity, it would have come out at the trial.

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How could anything possibly be worse The Thing With Two Heads? That ranks up there with Plan 9 and Swamp Shark, which I did see.   I seem to find the worst possible movies just at the time my wife comes home. And I must watch them. It's an addiction.   Bad movies, especially almost anything from the SyFy channel can be so campy they are fun to watch.   And the Canadian production teams seem to find the worst actors in the world to use for all these films. In fact, I think the same 50 or so of them do all the SyFy movies.

I'd say $650-750. I prefer German Sigs over the new ones. Depends on the condition. If its nice, I'd pay top dollar.

I like to process (clean, size/deprime, trim, chamfer, and clean primer pockets, and reprime) a large lot of cases of the same chambering at once, and store them in empty coffee cans. Then, when I want to load some, I can add a measured dose of powder and seat a bullet and have a loaded round in seconds. I can load one, ten, or a thousand at a time. You are correct to do each operation in batches, and not one round at a time.   You will want a chamfer tool to deburr the inside and outside of the case mouth after trimming. the inside part of the chamfer tool can also be used to remove the primer crimp from military brass. One more thing I'd suggest getting is a primer pocket cleaning tool. It is a little knurled steel bar with what favors small slotted screwdriver bits on each end. One fits a large primer pocket and one a small primer pocket. A twist removes crud from inside there.

Wow, nice shooting John!!! Keep it up. BTW, my XDM slide is at King's getting a coating of "burnt bronze". Don't have a return date yet.

How can the race card be played so easily in this day and age and insinuations be made that the Federal Government and the system has disregards towards minorities? Not only do we have a black President but he was RE ELECTED! 50 years ago blacks couldn't drink out of a "white only" water fountain! That is more of a progression of any race EVER! Al and Jessie...try to really do something for your race's progression and talk about black on black crime every once in awhile and stop chasing that ambulance so you can stay relevant and keep mony in your pockets! It is the year 2013 not 1913

Crump just put Trayvon with Medgar Evers "in the annals of freedom and justice" or somesuch. Typically, he pronounced "annals" as "anals". Hard to believe he ever passed the bar exam anywhere.   Sainthood will be conferred tomorrow I suppose.   - OS

They assume we like it because we don't put them out of office.

Why? I have a few, that are all in good taste and easily concelable. I know 1k's of Marines and other active and veterans who have tattoos. I could see saying face or head tattoos, or sexual or drug themed tattoos may say unemployable, but all tattoos? Really?? Tapatalk ate my spelling.

Oh, yeah. I got a massive jones for one as well.