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He is doing fine! He just has some other interest at this time.

I'm still trying to "get" this. Two days before 9-11, a day when Americans mourn the largest scale terrorist assault on US soil in recent history, the most dangerous terrorist group in the country declares they are putting up a monument to celebrate their bloodiest, most heinous operation in history. Welcome to America?

Martin Luther King, Jr.- "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

  I don't want to defend David Koresh, but we have to focus on the law. If a person wants to claim they're the Messiah, that is not illegal. If people choose to follow that person, that is also not illegal. If consenting adults want to be deemed "wives" of someone and engage in intercourse, that is also not a violation of the law. Weird? Yes. Creepy? Yup. A crime? No.    With regard to the child sex abuse allegations, there are two factors. Factor one, it is not the role of the federal government (much less the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives) to investigate such matters. It falls into the hands of local and state law enforcement.    Factor Two is what actually happened; At the end of February, 1992 an investigation was opened by the State of Texas Child Protective Services. The affidavit by ex-Davidian Jeannine Bunds stated that Koresh had sex with girls as young as 11 years old, and had fathered children with girls as young as 12.    That investigation was closed in April 1992. The department's summary stated "None of the allegations could be verified. The children denied being abused in any way by adults in the compound. They denied knowledge of any other children being abused. The adults consistently denied participation in or knowledge of any abuse of children. Examinations of the children produced no indication of current or previous injuries." (Cite: Wattenburg. 'Gunning for Karesh', p. 37)   I can't say either way what was or wasn't happening in the Branch Davidian compound, but the fact is the State of Texas did not find any evidence of abuse.      The warrant brought against Koresh that resulted in the massacre was for having and manufacturing machine guns without paying the $200 tax; a tax law violation.      The siege at Waco is a very interesting moment in American history and one that is not talked about much; likely because the facts of the situation reflect very poorly on the government. Multiple books, articles, and films have been made about it. Thanks to FOIA, we have access to a lot of information now and numerous people have done a good job of breaking it down. There are so many different ways that this operation was botched from the word go that we could sit here all night discussing it and barely scratch the surface.   For anyone who wants to start digging into what really happened, I highly recommend picking up the book "No More Wacos" by David Kopel and Paul Blackman. It's a fair look at what happened, backed up with pages upon pages of cites including information from Senate hearings and other documents.  

[quote name="bersaguy" post="1188587" timestamp="1410382975"]Before this is over it is going to turn out to be like the Tiger Woods Saga. Young women are going to be getting added to the list almost daily now and it will be up to the DA to discount all of the claims verse what is fact and who is just wanting to get their name in the paper and on the news. If the guy is a monster and described and they can get 1 or 2 Iron clad cases against him and get him put away with Big Bubba for ever I see no sense in wasting tax dollars trying him for all of the many more that will be jumping on the band wagon. When they convict him just say your guilty for all of your actions in these cases and any others and life without parole is your sentence and Bubba is waiting for you.........................jmho[/quote] I strongly disagree. If the other accusations can be proven valid, he should be charged and tried for each one. I don't care if the first charge gives him a life sentence. Each victim deserves justice, and he should be tried for crimes committed against each of them, if this turns out to be true. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I made this for a friend. It's my first attempt at a thumb break OWB holster. It's for a Glock 22. -southernasylum Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="JAB" post="1188849" timestamp="1410451848"]What always got me is that I think David Koresh probably needed to be arrested, etc. However, he apparently went jogging outside the complex on a daily basis. He could have been easily and quietly arrested while on one of those jogs. I guess, however, that doing so wouldn't have allowed federal authorities to flex their muscles and 'make an example' out of any group that chose to live other than the way the Feds thought they should be living.[/quote] Koresh was accused of failing to properly register a fully automatic weapon by having illegal "conversion kits" to make ARs automatic. The "conversion kits" were nothing more than spare parts kits not unlike what a lot of us may have today. Nothing automatic about them. In the days/ weeks leading up the the raid, Koresh regularly went into town, dined at a local restaurant, and even invited the ATF officers out. He had always willingly complied with local LEO, and there was no reason to believe he would not comply with the ATF. However, just as you said the ATF was in a spot because the future funding of their organization was being debated in Congress at the time. They needed a show, they needed to "prove" their necessity. Hell, they even nicknamed the raid "showtime" and broke a laundry list of laws during the execution of the raid before murdering innocent people.

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[quote name="nightrunner" post="1188743" timestamp="1410412252"]IF he is guilty, he shouldn't spend a day in jail. Soon as judgement is passed, walk him out back behind the courthouse and shoot him with one of his own guns.[/quote] From the failure rate of their project guns working property, I don't know if I like that, it might be considered cruel to make him wait while they keep repairing it.

  I thought it was the Ruby Ridge incident that was started by a shotgun that was just under 18 inches (which is the legal length for a shotgun and 16 is for rifles, right?)  Or were both FBI/Fed screw-ups started by similar things?   What always got me is that I think David Koresh probably needed to be arrested, etc.  However, he apparently went jogging outside the complex on a daily basis.  He could have been easily and quietly arrested while on one of those jogs.  I guess, however, that doing so wouldn't have allowed federal authorities to flex their muscles and 'make an example' out of any group that chose to live other than the way the Feds thought they should be living.

No, he needs to experience the helplessness that his victims felt.

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You've got to be shitting me. Apparently the sick bastards are still proud of roasting dozens of people, including 20 children, alive. I doubt there will be any mention that it all could have been avoided were the ATF not in need of a splashy show to secure their funding. [URL]http://blog.chron.com/narcoconfidential/2014/09/atf-houston-to-unveil-model-re-creation-of-controversial-waco-standoff/#26525101=2[/URL]

56 ford is on the money. The other part is there was a claim that a complaint made that kids from the compound were observed playing on the dangerous busy highway. I'm here to tell u, I've been to the compound. There is no traffic in that part of Waco. It sent a chill through my body to see burned kiddie bikes and branch davidians still holding services in a makeshift tent.....burned plastic dollies and other kids items. The whole op was complete bullshit. And always will be. Prayers for the children who died a painful death on that fateful day...

If you are still looking for a wrench, depending on what else you may need this seems like a great deal... http://www.cabelas.com/product/Wheeler-AR-Armorers-Master-Kit/1844414.uts?WTz_l=EML%3Bcat153203580   I am really thinking about grabbing this myself.

Exactly the quote I was thinking of. :up:

I liked him in Pale Rider and his cameo in Happy Gilmore. I've talked with people who have met him and they all spoke highly of him.

      Marco Polo didn't introduce pasta to Italy by bringing it back from China. It was introduced in the 7th century by Arabs from Libya when they invaded Sicily, beating Mr. Polo by about 600 years.   George Washington did not have wooden teeth. His dentures were made of gold, hippopotamus ivory, lead, animal teeth (including horse and donkey teeth), and probably human teeth from slaves.   The accused in the Salem Witch trials were not burned at the stake. They were hanged or died in prison. They could still turn you into a newt, though.   The Twinkie does not have an infinite shelf life; its listed shelf life is approximately 45 days (25 in its original formulation) and generally remains on a store shelf for only 7 to 10 days. Tallahassee will be continually disappointed.   Bats are not blind. While about 70% of bat species, mainly in the microbat family, use echolocation to navigate, all bat species have eyes and are capable of sight. In addition, almost all bats in the megabat or fruitbat family cannot echolocate and have excellent night vision         This worthless information was brought to you today by the letters M and T and by the number 6.

You mean she hasn't got to you yet? I'll send her along soon. :devil:   I am with you on that, I am worried more about storms than I am full out armed defense.  Having said that, I am prepared to defend my family and home in the off chance of a home invasion type scenario.  Being retired military I have plenty of training and gear to put up a heck of a resistance even to the most determined foe, but I am no fool.  If someone wants to get you bad enough and is willing to trade their lives for yours, or its a large enough group it will be a bad day, no matter how well prepared you are.

I'll worry more about things like cancer.    I realize that it is good to be prepared, but the chances of being the victim of an armed siege which I am single handedly defending, then surviving armed siege (regardless of defenses or what my house is made out of) are about the same as the same as having Jennifer Anniston show up at my front door to give me a BJ and make me a sammich. 

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First the Chic-fil-a founder, now Jaws? Bad week.   I may have to stop by Chic-fil-a and pop a few bond movies in this weekend for good measure. He will be missed.

[quote name="BigK" post="1188871" timestamp="1410456736"] If I could have only one handgun, it'd be the CZ P-01.[/quot I've got the SDP version, It's my go to gun. For deeper concealment it's an MK9

Apparently his daughter needs a dose of TV drama.  I just saw her on Dr. Phil as I was flipping channels.  

WHAT???? Unacceptable. Tell him to get back to wasting time on the Interwebz. 

Lets face reality. It has come down to a point that we as a free nation either live by the rules laid down by the Gestapo type Law Enforcement agencies of the Federal Government or they will kill you and everyone connected to you with little disregard to human lives of any age. Waco and Ruby Ridge are just a couple examples to let us know what they will do to any of us who does not live by Gestapo Rules. It was my understanding that the group of people in Waco never caused any issues with anyone in or around Waco and had it not been for the Government Gestapo's the people in Waco had no issues with the inpoundment or people living in it....................jmho

I'm not a Glock guy, but I've always thought that the G19 is the perfect size for just about any application.     For me, the P2000 with a flat mag base is close, but gives up a couple rounds to the 19.  My P7, which I carry a lot, is pretty much the same size as 19 but comes at the cost of a lot more weight and lot less capacity.  

Combat : CZ SP01.   Carry: HK P7M8.  It sucks that you can't make the system work because of  your injury... nothing else is ever going to have the same level of safety with as good of a trigger.   As for "quantum leaps"... there hasn't been one in firearms design period in several decades.  :down:   IMHO, we've pretty much gone as far as we're going to go with metallic-cased cartridges and nitrocellulose propellant.

Jack has one and I have one and his runs on diesel and mine runs on gas and we have back up fuels for both and even have set up to exhaust them out side through roof. I have had generators since back in my racing days for working on car in the pits after dark. Jack bought his about a month after he returned home from Iraq.

Sorry for your loss. You'll see Rocco again one day, and it sounds like he had a great life.

[quote name="Dustbuster" post="1188748" timestamp="1410416521"]Roflmao "yowza" hahaha[/quote] Indeed. Just don't give her access to your checking account or leave her with a general POA. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

IF he is guilty, he shouldn't spend a day in jail. Soon as judgement is passed, walk him out back behind the courthouse and shoot him with one of his own guns.

Honestly, there is no practical way to be prepared for something that in all probability will not happen. That does not mean not to think of a plan with what you have, but if you allow paranoia to run your life you will waste alot of money on things you will never use. Its wise to have a few days rations, water and a few survival items and a self defense plan with weapons and ammo. The most probable thing to happen is a natural disaster, tornado, earth quake, volcanic eruption etc so those things can help you survive for a bit. Learning survival techniques is also important, and not off some reality show; honest hands on training with firearms and improvised methods included.

  You aren't kidding on that one.    You might look into the Norris Shooting Range in Norris, Tn. I believe you have to stop by the Norris Police Station for a permit.   You can look here for more ranges in our area.   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/72882-need-a-place-to-shoot-please-help/

Oh, that's probably just Blake's mad off the grid skills. ;) - OS

I have 2 for AR and 1 for a FAL.  The 2 AR Mags I use for malfunction drills and the FAL mag sits on the work bench to remind me that you get what you pay for.  They work great for what I use them for.     Edit:  Mine are the older ones.

Well, you have to take into consideration that near the end of the age of Aquarius and the dying of the flower children era most all of the Fired Drug Brain LSD Acid heads remained in California and set up house keeping and many of them are now the elected officials running the state. You also have Tinsel Town and all those wonderful people in Hollywood that are all much better than the rest of the little people and they should be pampered by the lower class. With all the wealth in California I cannot understand why the state is always broke. My brother lived out there for almost 6 months and his reason for moving to Texas was he never met anyone in California with walking a round sense................JHHO.

That ain't no AR and it looks.....French.

That sucks, sorry to hear it.  You should add the serial number to as many stolen weapons databases as you can to disseminate it as widely as possible.  

So sorry for your loss. We had rescue dogs for the past 29 years. We have watched them come and pass on. Every single one of them is a lost friend. One thing I've found is a replacement buddy will never replace one you lost but will add one more friend to share your life with. This is a wonderful poem that might help. Lp

[quote name="Lowpower" post="1188384" timestamp="1410325325"]This is what I carry. It works but I gotta stop to use it unless the wife is driving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU :D[/quote] Pretty much standard. If you don't have this, you're just not prepared. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

well thanks,  but I wanted info brought by the letters M and T and the number 6   ;)

33 paid if I can count. Getting there...

  Anyone working a project that relies on precise measurements shouldn't be buying their lumber at Lowe's. Most of the wood I pull off the racks there is so bent you could shoot an arrow with it.         They already have 4x8s that are labelled as known to the state of (guess where) to cause cancer.

  Yep. It would be an ass kicking that would make liberal heads explode too. :)

I think carrying either way should be up to the individual.....not the government. That being said I prefer not  to broadcast to the entire world that I'm armed. Like so many other things in life I feel it's nobody's business.

Lots of inexperienced and foolish peeps out there doing dumb stuff, and I'm not just talking about guns. Every time I go into public, I see AT LEAST one person that makes me scratch my head and say "whaaat?" Lol. I'm not concerned about someone taking an OCer's gun out of the holster. If a BG wants a gun, there are lots of ways for that to happen. I just manage my gun and let others carry as they see fit. Unless someone's about to drop a gun off their belt without knowing it, I'm not going to say anything. I never use a full retention holster unless I'm in the woods or something and have a high level of activity. For my EDC, they're all open top holsters. I cc almost always unless I'm going to/from the woods

There's a time and a place for everything. I do both open and concealed carry. Just depends on the circumstances.

Nothing like walking in a crowded store with your kids when your 5 year old shouts out "Hey Dad do you have your gun".