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Update, should be discharged Monday, travel home, 2-3 weeks of inpatient physical therapy. Thanks for the continued positivity and prayers you are sending our way. It is making a difference and this experience will help me witness and testify.

Yeah, TGO is the only "social media" I can handle, but maybe that's just because I ban anyone I don't agree with. Well, joking aside, I simply wish people could reasonably discuss things like this, because they are important topics.

I can’t say I agree with all of Phil’s opinions, or for that matter the opinions of a % of the TGO (or the world), but I am also not an A$$ (although my wife might disagree at times). If someone doesn’t agree with me, or if I think their stance on a subject is wrong, that’s just life. In MY world, It’s not my place to: a) Tell you you are wrong because I think you are (and be a about it), b) Get mad at you for not agreeing with me, c) “Convert” you to my opinion However, if someone wants to have a rational discussion on the subject, and the result is one of use changing our mind on the subject, that’s fine.

My Doc has determined that since I have had the chicom crap, taking the jab could be bad for my health. Have a letter to show if needed. I know it wont get me by a place that requires the jab to get in. However I just wont go to that location or any other. As far as a test to prove I do not have the crap, see above. If you are in any kind of poor health or have not had the crap, get the jab, it has shown that it just might keep you alive. I for one am so damn tired of all of this, please let me off the ride!!!

If y’all would start driving electric cars and stop farting this wouldn’t happen any more.

As I am with my wife in the hospital, I can't give a lengthy response. But we have an All American pressure canner (not a pressure cooker) and I have canned a wide variety of meats. Beef, venison, poultry, fish and even bacon. Get a Ball Blue book on canning and read before deciding. Easy to do, just strictly adhere to the guidelines.

I started to respond to this when it was first posted but decided to wait and choose my words carefully so I wouldn't get banned ( Also joking ) I too, wish we could just discuss things. But I believe that any serious topic which has two drastically different opinions will eventually lead to put-downs, finger pointing and name calling. I also believe that every person has a right to their opinion and the right to express it ( just my opinion ). My problem is with those who believe that their opinion is the only one that is right or the only one that matters and has this overwhelming compulsion to prove their point. The Covid test/vaccines/masks, abortion and even gun control are examples of these types of topics. Everyone has an opinion and all the pushing, name calling and derogatory remarks are not going to change their minds. Gun control is a good example since most of us, at least I hope so, are on the same side. I don't understand the reasoning of the gun control people but they probably have no doubt that their way of thinking is right. I do though, have respect for their right to their beliefs and long as they don't try to push their way of thinking on me I have no problem with them. The same with any other subject, if your opinion is different than mine, I'm not going to try to change your mind or argue with you but will just let it slide because it's just not that important to me. I just might be the only one here that misses the political threads. Not because of the name calling and all of that but it helped present a picture of a persons personality. Seeing how they responded to different statements or situations said a lot about a person. Just from those threads I could most likely figure out who I could befriend and those I wouldn't trust very far. Well.....if I get banned, it's been fun.

Ch 4 News reports an anonymous donor is paying for all the funerals in Humphries Co resulting from the flood. Whomever it is, may blessings be upon them as I doubt many of those folks could afford a funeral after losing everything they owned.

Pulled the last of my honey frames on Wednesday. Got another 72ish lbs (6 gal). This honey is darker with less of a floral tone, more “full bodied”.

I agree! The situation is completed wacked! People are so bent by the slightest hint of disagreement with their "correct" stance that you can't even make a comment on things without being bashed and shamed. Case in point...I comment on one of the many FB threads last week on Phil Valentine's passing. I just made comments of how I'd gotten into listening, how I'd learned from him, and genuinely enjoyed his stance and life outlook. Safe enough, I thought. Well...I was wrong. As of Monday night, the last time I looked at it; I'd gotten right at 200 comments on my ignorance, being brainwashed by right leaning propaganda, being accused of anti-vaccine, and in general that I was a bad person. One went so far as to suggest I should join Phil. Immediately. There's more, but I stopped at the last one. Not surprisingly, even my lefty neighbor chimed in on the bashing. Towards the end of my reading, a poster commented that there were at that time, at least 157 poeple smarter than I was. My neighbor jumped in to comment that now there were at least 187 with him counting him. I'm still shaking my head over this situation. I never said anything past liking and agreeing withPhil on many things. It rapidly became vicious and went to the vaccine stance Phil had. Which as I remember, was basically... it's your choice. And I never even mentioned Covid or vaccines! We can't even give "other" opinions now. Must be in lockstep with the masses or you're dirt, and uneducated dirt at that. I'm beginnig to think I should just delete FB and go back to using phones as A.G. Bell intended...just to talk.

A biophysicist told me that trying to block viruses with a mask is like trying to block mosquitoes with a chain link fence. Size matters!

Keep us updated, Erik. Hopefully he’ll be fine.

I will. Underneath the Fox sensationalism there is the reality that insurance companies cannot bear the expense of covid treatment forever. The best medical care in the world () comes at a cost and that cost is astronomical. And you still have a good chance of dying.

Richmond, VA tried putting felons back in jail when they turned back to gun crime(s). It was hugely successful in reducing violent crime but the ensuing outcry from the ACLU, NAACP & other usual suspects forced politicians to put a stop to it. I'm not quite certain what CDC thinks they're going to accomplish with their "study". There's reams of FBI studies on crime, murders & so forth. My best guess is they just want a lot more of that Govt grant $$$$ to fill out their budget. CDC Director Dr. Walensky should go spend several weeks in the inner city of Atlanta. Better yet, live in the projects for a month & then see what sort of solutions she comes up with. My bet would be she'd be about as efficient as she has been with this China flu mess: a disaster!

For almost everyone, bugging in is going to be better than bugging out. Even city-dwellers are usually going to be better off staying put. You know the area and have some semblance of a support structure through neighbors. Plus survival gear and all the crap you get stored up is hard to move and harder to defend on the move. That's not to say that the time to "git out" wouldn't come, but it probably shouldn't be most folk's first option. Remember that those hills and mountains everyone plans to run to already have people living there who likely won't take too kindly to a horde of newcomers. For bugging in plans - the best place to start is in your own home and pantry. Also start small. Don't try to plan for the end of the world if you can't get through 3 days without electricity. This is a gun forum, so I'll assume you have security covered. For food, the trick is to get a rotation going. Storing 500 cans of SPAM when you don't eat SPAM is just going to end up with 500 old cans of SPAM when disaster never strikes. Likewise 500 cans of hard red winter wheat from the local LDS cannery won't do you any good if you don't know how to prepare it. Instead look at what you actually eat, especially shelf-stable items like canned & jarred goods and pasta. Then start building up that supply. e.g. Instead of having 2 or 3 boxes of spaghetti on hand, maybe you get 10 or 20 to start with. As you use a few boxes, buy some to replace them and put the new ones at the back of the pile. A vacuum sealer (like FoodSaver) is also a good thing to get started with. You can buy some items in bulk like rice and divide it into smaller bags you seal up. That's a good place to start. Then you can start looking at the more extreme things like MREs, mylar bags with O2 absorbers, and those cans of hard red winter wheat. For non-food, think about what you'd need for an extended camping trip and start there. Proper clothing and footwear for everyone. Tools and skills to make a fire. A good first aid kit and knowledge of how to use it (you probably don't need an AED, but something more than Band-Aids is a good idea) Some emergency "space" blankets. Street and topography maps of the area, a compass, and knowing how to use them. Flashlights/headlamps and extra batteries. Maybe a solar charger for small electronics like one from GoalZero. A hand-cranked water filter or something like the Sawyer mini filters. A camp stove and fuel. Or if you have a propane grill, keep an extra tank on hand. An extra bag or two of charcoal. Do some thinking about bugging out too if the time comes. Ask questions like where would you go? Would you be welcomed there? How would you get there? Are there bridges or other features that make a funnel for thieves or worse? Can you avoid those points? Can you plan multiple routes? How much fuel do you need to make the journey? As for your questions: Canning: Yes, a pressure canner can be used for pretty much anything. A water bath process should only be used for high-acid foods like fruits and some veg but never for meat. Most (all?) the info in the Ball canning book is also on their website: https://www.freshpreserving.com/canning.html Hunting: TWRA Hunter ed site: https://www.tn.gov/twra/hunting/hunter-education.html Water: Water is going to be a challenge for most of us. Few people have the ability to store large quantities safely. Instead, look at what you need to get through a normal disruption for a few days or a week, then plan on a way to replenish the supply. Again, start small. I always have a few cases of bottled water on hand that we cycle through, plus I have a couple of Aquatainers for camping that I keep full year-round at the house. That's enough for just me and my wife for any normal disruption to service, plus we'll have the water heater and toilet tanks too for anything a little longer if we can't drive out to get more. For a true TEOTWAWKI, we'll have to make it up a bit as we go along. I'm a camper so I have water filtration and UV devices and there's a river 1/4 mile from the house. Schlepping water up from there won't be fun, but it's doable. A hand truck or wagon will help. If you can have a well dug, that's the best long-term supply. A pump can be solar powered or you can get a hand pump. Another option some people do a rain water catchment system using rain barrels or the big plastic cubes. This water MUST be filtered/treated. Generator: For sizing a generator you need to decide what you want to power with it, how long you want to run it, where you'll be running it, and what kind of fuel you want to store. Start with sizing. Kw Size: A small 2Kw generator is plenty for a few lights (esp. LED bulbs), a TV, computer, and a fridge. You'll need bigger if you plan to power your HVAC, microwave, electric stove, electric water heater, clothes dryer, etc. Look at the labels on each one and it will show you the power required. Add up all the ones you'd want to run AT THE SAME TIME and that's your requirement. Note that generators are sold with labels of their peak output, not running steady output. Physical size: Portability and storage should be considered. They'll range from ~25lbs and the size of a large cantaloupe for a 1Kw up to tractor-trailer-sized for the big industrial ones. I have a Honda EU6500 that's easy to wheel around the garage, but at 253 lbs. without fuel, it's a struggle for 2 capable men to put in a pickup truck if I have to take it anywhere. If I had it to do over (and I may still do it) I'd get a ~50 lb. 2Kw set like a Generac iQ or Honda EU2000 or EU2200 and maybe get a second one capable of being tethered together to do ~4Kw. Noise: May or may not be a concern for you. If you're on a 100 acre farm, you can worry about the noise less than if you're in a tightly packed neighborhood. Inverter generators are quieter and safer for sensitive electronics. Honda's EU series has been the gold standard for a very long time, but gennys from Yamaha and the new iQ line from Generac are every bit their equal at a lower cost. You'll find more support for Honda though because there are so many. Fuel: Gasoline is the easiest, especially on the smaller-sized gennys but it's harder to store a lot of it without it going bad. If you have natural gas or propane at your house, you can find tri-fuel gennys or conversion kits for the most popular brands like Honda. Propane and natural gas burn cleaner than gasoline so less maintenance/gummed up carbs, but they're also hotter and some gennys can't take it. You'll find lots of genny advice on RV forums. The big gennys usually run on diesel. I haven't seen any small home-owner grade ones running on diesel. Don't forget to have a heavy chain and good lock to secure it. Get some of those basics down, then you'll start thinking about longer term stuff like gardening, coordinating with nearby like-minded friends & neighbors, and communications (HAM radio is still a thing . . . It's kind of like hunting - no license needed if there ain't no government left ). Then you may or may not move on to the more dedicated prepper world like bunkers, hydroponics, aquaculture, etc. But that's only for kooks . . . . until it isn't. Something often overlooked in our consumer-driven world is skills vs. supplies. If King Monkeylizard the Great of Fortress Apocalypto has to choose between letting in an empty handed but skilled engineer or letting in a doofus with a truck load toilet paper, well....let's just say I'll have a good engineer and a lot of toilet paper. We like to think we can buy a bucket of food from Wise, stick it in the closet, and "hooray! we're safe from Zombies!". Think about the kinds of skills that would be useful and start trying to learn them, and use them as a way of life if possible. It doesn't have to be the end of mankind for those skills to payoff. Maybe learn to reload ammo. Canning is a good skill and you get to have healthier food for your family year round. Knowing how to wire up solar panels and batteries is useful and something you may be able to use on a mission trip or something. Make some new friends in the amateur radio world. Know how to repair a car. Medical skills are always useful.

Right, but this goes far beyond x39.

Why do people keep up with this russian propaganda?

Ohhhhhhh my........ The hives are in full flow right now! It was too hot to do any real harvesting today, but she collected 4 frames to make some room & harvested 11 pints of honey! We have around 30 more frames to harvest next weekend. VID_86300520_063544_247.mp4

SOLD

I don't know about including gun control in those topics, xsub. The very word control implies that they want to force something on someone, so I think gun control is in its own pathetic league. Btw, I too miss the political threads.

Hey @Chucktshoes can you move this to 2a please ? I had my head up my....yeah...and posted this here

^^^^ I agree with this ^^^^. I ate plenty of home canned meat growing up.

As a COVID-19 survivor, I take firm issue with these baseless claims!

That's fair. I'm certainly no expert on this. There are new studies being done constantly so who knows what changes. @MacGyver might have some good info on that J&J shot.

If you want to hunt now, you need a hunter's safety course and a license. If you're hunting because we've collapsed, then you only need a gun and ammunition.

Its interesting though nothing will come of it. I agree with frog4aday if you are legally considered an adult and are allowed to vote and join the millitary you should be allowed to purchase a pistol and or alcohol. I may be alone in my thinking but I think alot of the alcohol related problems with 18-20 yr olds is caused by having to sneak around and trying to avoid the police.

That's why I make an effort to offend those kind of folks on Facebook. If somebody is going to scream at me, I will get rid of them quickly.

I didn't mean you. But I would reconcile with what TGO David's doc told him. If that immunity is gonna wane, I would rather get a booster shot than die of this nasty stuff. There is a huge bunch of folks in your boat.

Please, stop this

AJ, just saw this. My prayers for continued speedy and full recovery.

So, is this doctor part of problem or part of the solution? https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/indiana-doctor-drops-vaccine-truth-bombs-on-school-board/

Could be. They found John Bobbit's willie, and he went on to do porn. Anything's possible, LOL

Yeah, and a lot of them shouldn't be walking it. I wonder if they found his tally whacker?

Three local friends have it, not serious so far but have symptoms, all vaccinated, We are vaccinated but though that we may have been exposed and wife has been a little under the weather so we went and were tested, both came back negative. First time to have the nose root rooter, not to bad but could do with out a repeat. If a booster is offered we will get it. Old and over weight, need all the protection we can get.

James Dean

The death rate is what the media gets to make sensational stories about. I don't want anyone to die, but fell the death rate from COVID as it is today isn't anything society can't handle. That's a broad statement as crass as it sounds; I know each death is a tragedy for the family and friends, so I don't want to belittle that. My worry since March of last year was the contagion of this and how stretched out the entire economy is with regards to what we deem essential services. Staffing in organizations has been tweaked for efficiency and cost savings with the minimal number of people possible, not flexibility by having folks ready to pick up more work, or take over from others. Even if you're 99.99% likely to recover from COVID over time, that doesn't mitigate the risk of your being taken out of the workforce for however long it takes for that recovery to happen, or even if you're asymptomatic, to not be contagious anymore. White collar work from a computer at home can be done in many cases, but we all know society is truly kept running at the first two stages of Maslow's hierarchy of needs by folks who go into work and make things happen, not guys like me who spend most of their day in email and excel spreadsheets. Like other examples I've probably given across the prior 156 pages here...how many nurses and doctors can a hospital lose before they can't see patients...clerks at the grocery store before they can't keep shelves stocked...truckers to deliver products to the aforementioned hospitals and grocery stores before supplies run out. The answer to that question is not very many. Our economy and government services are not ready to absorb casualties like a military unit can still function at some level. Every measure for COVID has been to keep this thing spread out enough so it doesn't overwhelm our systems. I hope they hold, because we're still stress testing it all.

However, something else I've been thinking about regarding the numbers. Sure, it is easy to point out that hospitals are seeing something like a 97% un-vaccinated rate when looking at hospitalizations and/or deaths, etc etc. However, if instead of separating people into groups of vaccinated or un-vaccinated we separate them into groups of those that take the virus seriously or those that do not take the virus seriously, consider how that may shape the numbers. For the people that take the virus seriously, a larger percent of them probably took the vaccine early. They are also more likely to exercise things such as social distancing, mask wearing, etc. For those that do not take the virus seriously, they are more likely to not get vaccinated, not social distance, and not wear a mask, and thus for all of those reasons combined be more likely to get COVID. It's just extremely interesting to me to look at every statistic in a correlation/causation standpoint.

I worked over there Monday and Tuesday. Going back tomorrow. So many hurting souls.

Uncle Phil and Johnny B were more a comedy duo than a talk show. I’ll sure miss listening to them. They had a chemistry that made a great program. I really enjoyed their encyclopedic knowledge of all things musical. Unlike Ruth Bader Ginsberg and John McCain, their life’s goal was to entertain; not to destroy the greatest country earth has ever known. Apples and oranges.

Nice work.

Stupid Facebook fact checkers….

Sweet looking rifle!

Very Nice. I Love working up old guns

A nice and basic looking hunting rifle. None of the crazy bells and whistles.

I received a phone call from K-Var two weeks ago to remind me that I had a FM VEPR 47 on layaway. I placed the Vepr on layaway when they initially launched and I completely forgot that I did. They allowed me to keep my deposit and pay off the balance. I want to thank K-Var for squaring me away when I had lost all hope of purchasing a FM Vepr at the pre-panic price of $999.99. by