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I wasn't aware the average TSA "agent" could pronounce sequester.

Best way to deal with gougers is to refuse to pay their prices. Last gunshow I went to, I'm pretty sure I pissed off a few vendors. Now, typically I'm not a confrontationalist and I made it a point to not SAY a word but when flipping over price tags I can't stifle a good laugh and I'm not going to try. If you wanna sell a base model AR for $1500 go for it, it's a free country. I'm also free to laugh at you for it. If they wanna buy up the market and sit on it. Let them. When they get hung with a load of goods, that'll be the best pay back ever.

  I have a better idea. Disband the IRS and take those agents and put them on the border. It works out to 16 agents per mile. Surely we can protect the border with an agent every 100 yards. And that is on both borders.   Dolomite

Oh dude, don't be ridiculous! Who would buy outdated TIE fighters since the Mandalorians tooled up Mandalmotors and started producing the Kom'rk class fighter. I'd rather have an old Basilisk war droid as a stupid TIE. Ion propulsion sucks.

Probably further proof that I am a bit twisted but I laughed when they backed up for dudes backpack... Mark

as some of you know, last year i broke my neck last year. i hope to continue in the action shooting sports hoping for my 1st try in May. any way Blade-Tech told me to try there TMMS and see what i thought. i already had the black ice holster and have it working nicely. still need need a idea for placing mag pouches. the first pic the female piece is mounted to the chair and the male is on the holster. and yes i have some extra weight on

Why Mac, you can just look in the Classifieds here and tell that isn't happening :squint:

Twnkies

I'll say to those who gouge, karma is a &itch.

Once again, these are all Army contracts, and yes, you can get the purchase orders/contracts for every last MRAP that has rolled off the line into gov hands. Congress was screaming about this in 2007 when they were trying to get these into Iraq with the quickness. DHS can't just purchase 1.4 billion in armored vehicles and shuffle that away somehow, that isn't how contracts work. There would be such a paper trail that any of the dozens of watchdog agencies who do this for a living would catch in a heartbeat. Unless, of course, this is a giant conspiracy involving thousands of Americans who have all conspired together to keep this secret, this whole thing isn't true. The closest thing to truth would be the grants that DHS was offering state and local LEAs to acquire similar armored vehicles.

Still trying to find a source of this information other than some guy's blog. I could say the DHS just bought 2,700 Tie Fighters but it doesn't make it true and it doesn't mean DHS is building a Death Star.

I had to buy my own gun from a Department approved list. Go to that; people take better care of stuff when they have to pay for it.

I personally don't care about vandy as a whole. What is missing in today's society is GOD and his laws. We have taken him out of everything in this country IT NEEDS TO STOP unless we (meaning this country) wants to be another Sodom and Gomorrah

Why does the KPD need 6 37 mm grenade launchers???  You east TN people must be really dangerous!!!  I wonder why they didn't sell the ammo on gunbroker.

"Documents reveal more about KPD switch in weapons - Pistol maker Glock surprised by complaints By Don Jacobs Sunday, March 3, 2013   When Knoxville Police Chief David Rausch announced in late January that the department would no longer use the .40-caliber Glock pistol that officers have carried since 2002, he didn’t mention any problems with the gun. Rausch said the replacement gun, a .45-caliber Sig Sauer, had more stopping power than the .40-calibers. Testing among officers also revealed they were more accurate using the Sig Sauer, he said. The chief said the switch was a sound financial decision because the life of a Glock was four years, while the Sig Sauer was good for 10 years. Although the Sig Sauer gun cost nearly twice as much as the Glock version, Rausch said the transition was a wise move. City documents, however, indicate other factors were at work — reasons Rausch did not address at that news conference. A letter from the city to Glock states that triggers were freezing on the guns after they were given to officers and lock pins that hold the 34 parts of the gun together were failing. KPD today won’t discuss the gun switch. The city’s claims of faulty weapons surprised Glock, which supplies more than 72 percent of all law enforcement agencies in the nation with guns. A representative said no other department has reported problems with the weapon. A poll of other departments using the .40-caliber Glock revealed no other agency has encountered problems with the gun as alleged by KPD. KPD spokesman Darrell DeBusk refused to say why the alleged performance problems were withheld from the public. “We’re not going to discuss the issues with the Glocks,” he said. “I’ll have to refer you to (Deputy Law Department Director) Ron Mills with any questions about the Glocks.” The Police Department is obtaining 225 of Sig Sauer’s .45-caliber P220R pistols, a dozen 1911 Sig Sauer handguns and training for 10 officers as armorers. In exchange, the Police Department is giving $13,500 cash, 630 .40-caliber Glocks, 53 12-gauge shotguns, four .22-caliber rifles, 14 submachine guns, six 37mm launchers, various gun parts and 300,000 rounds of new ammunition. Faulty firepower? Rausch did note performance concerns about the Glocks in an email Jan. 18 to individual members of Knoxville City Council. Because Rausch sent the email to individual members of council and not to the council as a whole, the email was not included in the meeting packet disseminated to members of council and the media. The email was not made part of the official record of the council meeting. The News Sentinel obtained the email Feb. 20 from the Police Department. In the email, Rausch told council members the Glock handgun “is replaced about every three years.” Rausch explained in his email the benefits of a more powerful weapon and the differences in how a Glock and a Sig Sauer operate. And he explained why his department began seeking another weapon. “In a shipment of what is now called the Next gen Glock, we received 10 weapons that would not fire properly new out of the box,” Rausch wrote. “This started our process of looking at alternatives as we cannot have our officers with weapons that may or may not function when they need them.” A News Sentinel article from January about KPD’s transition from the Glock caught the attention of law enforcement administrators across the nation. Administrators were concerned about Rausch’s statement that the Glock’s service life is four years. That statement prompted a wave of phone calls to Glock headquarters in Smyrna, Ga., from police agencies wondering about the life of their weapons, according to Carlos Guevara, vice president and general counsel for Glock USA. “When a large metropolitan police department makes that kind of statement, it carried some weight,” Guevara said. Guevara said Glock officials assured law enforcement agencies that “the gun will continue to work after five years.” Maker seeks answers Guevara on Jan. 28 sent a letter to Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero complaining about Rausch’s “false and misleading information” disseminated to the public. “The primary issue for us was the service life of the weapon,” Guevara said last week in an interview. “That was something we wanted to clarify. We warrant the piece for much longer.” Guevara’s letter prompted a response Feb. 4 from Mills, the deputy law director, who stated the four-year service life figure came from Glock’s local representative. The local Glock representative is Craig’s Firearm Supply Police Distributors, 8761 Chapman Highway. “If the information is incorrect, your problem lies somewhere other than with the Knoxville Police Department,” Mills wrote. Mills also outlined in the letter performance issues with the .40-caliber Glock. “Over the past two years, KPD has experienced repeated problems with locking pins breaking or falling out of these weapons, and four brand new handguns were found to have extremely stiff triggers,” Mills wrote. “After firing, these weapons froze up completely and could not be fired. All told, at least thirteen new GLOCK weapons out of approximately forty issued to KPD officers over the past two years failed shortly after issuance.” Mills wrote that a Police Department trainer saw a locking pin break on a Glock used by an officer from another agency at KPD’s firing range. “This is information that was not provided to the media, but could have been,” Mills wrote. ‘No further statements’ DeBusk said there is no documentation of the alleged Glock performance issues raised by Rausch and Mills. “All the conversations were over the phone or in person to make them aware of the issues, so there’s no written correspondence,” he said. Asked if the locking pin and trigger freeze issues were discussed with other officers in the department to alert them of potential problems, DeBusk refused to respond. Mills responded last week to a list of questions submitted regarding the Glocks and why the performance issues were kept from the public. “We have had a full and fair opportunity to share our concerns and issues related to our experience with representatives from Glock,” Mills wrote in an email. “We have agreed that the best course of action for both parties is to discontinue any further airing of concerns or grievances. Consequently, the City will be making no further statements or comments on this matter.” Mills said he has spoken to a Glock representative by telephone since his Feb. 4 letter, but he declined to divulge details of the discussion. Glock’s Guevara said his company was never informed of problems noted by the Police Department. “This was news to us,” Guevara said. Guevara said that if a department has a problem, a law enforcement risk manager is dispatched to correct any issues. “We send a company representative to the agency to find out about the problem. But we didn’t get that opportunity,” he said. In addition, Guevara said people at Craig’s Firearm Supply Police Distributor denied making any statements about the three- or four-year service life of the .40-caliber Glock. A representative of Craig’s Firearm Supply Police Distributor referred questions to the Glock national office. The Gen4 Glock, Guevara said, has been on the market since late 2009. “We don’t have any other agencies reporting this problem,” Guevara said. “Unless it’s reported, there’s no way to go looking for what happened.” Departments: no objections Public information officers for the Blount County Sheriff’s Office and the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, both of which use the .40-caliber Glock, reported no performance issues with the weapons. Bob Bossey, executive director of the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors, based in New Hampshire, said his organization represents 13,000 instructors in law enforcement, the military and corrections. “We haven’t had anybody bring that to our attention.” Bossey said of performance issues alleged by the Police Department. “There’s a lot of Glocks out there. They’re a good, quality weapon.” The executive director of the Tennessee Sheriffs’ Association, Terry Ashe, said he’s “not heard any complaint about the Glocks.” Ashe said he would be alarmed if he experienced the failure rate noted by the Police Department. “We’d be flagging it and sending out emails if that was the case,” he said. The Knox County Sheriff’s Office has been using the .40-caliber Glock since 2008 and has had no problems, according to Chief Robert Spangler, who oversees the agency’s training division. Spangler said he’s never been told of a service life for the firearms. The Police Department’s decision to switch to another gun manufacturer, Spangler said, is no different from one agency using the Chevrolet Caprice while another organization opts for the Dodge Charger. “It’s a personal choice and as long as the public is served, what does it matter?” he said. “I’ve been partial to the Glock because it’s always done what we wanted it to do,” Spangler said. “The thought of any officer pulling out a weapon and it malfunctions, that’s my worst nightmare. You want to give the officers tools they need to get home safely.”" http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/mar/03/documents-reveal-more-about-kpd-switch-in/?print=1

Just saw this on The Muzzleloading Forum & thought it may interest a few here......   http://youtu.be/sbxKbI9Ik4o

I've been storing and putting away ammo now for many yrs and I'm sorting thru it an making a more accurate count of what I have. Here's a small sample of over at minimum half million rnds I have on hand.

I went to buy a mosin nagant on gun broker and I about fell over 500 bucks for a mosin??????????? WTF!!!!! then I said well ill just get a mauser.....yeah right, A GRAND???? When will the madness end, all I want is a cheap old rifle. A year ago I bought a sporterized GEW 98k for 75 bucks and a mosin for 100 bucks, I gave one to a friend, and sold the mosin for 125.....now im wishing I had of kept them. Anybody know where I can get a mosin at a normal price or a k98? Also what are your thoughts on the whole over pricing if really cheap rifles

Think about the mechanics.  Everytime an actual round is stripped off the mag it slows the slide a bit and it slows again as it hits the feed ramp and then goes into battery.  You don't have that sharp metal to metal beating you do when you just let it go on an empty chamber.  Use some snap caps and listen to the movement, you'll hear it.  How much wear does it cause, probably little, but just as in the action of firing a round, every movement of the action is one closer to the end of spring life and wear on the interface of the chamber and the slide.   What's even worse?  Letting it go by pushing down on the slide lock.  The slide lock is NOT designed to be released in that manner.  The friction wears the slide lock down.  Seen many fairly new pistols have to get serviced when they won't hold back the slide anylonger. You should pull back a bit on the slide while pushing down on the slide lock on an empty chamber.  Just pull her back and let fly with a round (or snap cap) in the mag.

In my uneducated opinion... Figure a 100 or a 1000 people (? ) may play with it in that manner while it is in the store before it is sold. A person who owns it probably wont do it that many times during the entire ownership. New, higher end pistols are put together "tighter" and triggers are "tuned". The small amount of damper it takes to take the round from the mag and the small amount of buffering from the round entering the barrel and the small amount of soft brass may be just enough to keep a tight tolerance gun from banging the extractor, hood of the barrel, the sear... while loaded. Its like dry firing sort of, I guess... not going to ruin the function of your firearm if done a few times but you wouldn't want to do it 1000 times or more. I guess just good practice for a ffl to a bunch of people who may have never touch a firearm before and saving the finish from scratches and dings for experienced people who will look for such things before they buy. Plus its just kind of rude to do that to someone else's firearm. As I say... my uneducated opinion so I would also to here someone else's opinion on it.

I only worry about it on my 1911. Don't think it'll hurt the Glock.If it does, a monkey with a pin punch could fix it.

Poor babies!  I'd rather see Biteme have to fly tourist and get groped by the TSA.  They might find his gonads!

Word of advice. If you have already bought a holster for what you will carry strap that baby on and break it in / get used to it. It really helps with the transition from not carrying to carrying. Especially if you carry IWB.   Edit: Just though I should clarify you will not carry the gun when doing this haha. :pleased:

All in all, I thought last night's episode was one of the best in a while.  There were a couple of points (most of which have already been mentioned) that bothered me, though - and I think I have resolved a couple of them for myself.   1.  The whole, "I know about those guns because I signed the permits," thing.  He wasn't talking about carry permits (I think that Georgia does still have local Sheriffs grant carry permits.)  Instead, he was talking about permits to own the guns and keep them in their place of business.  I am pretty sure that, like Tennessee, there is no such permit and none required.   How I resolved it for myself:  I seem to recall Kirkman stating - maybe on one of the Talking Dead segments - that this show takes place in a reality where there have never been zombie movies, books, etc.  That is why no one calls them 'zombies'.  That being the case, I guess that this alternate reality Georgia could have contracted some of the diseased gun laws that one would expect to find in Illinois, New Jersey, New York, etc.   2.  Carl dropped the picture close to the door and the zombies were right on top of it yet Michonne just walked right in and got it:   How I resolved it for myself:  Michonne told Carl to stay right there, right by the door.  In fact, Carl leaned against the outside of the door.  Therefore, all the zombies were paying attention to him (basically, he acted as bait) while Michonne slipped in, used her sword to reach in and drag the picture out, and slipped back out.  Pretty shaky explanation but its the best I've got.   3.  The hiker had survived for a year or so, already.  Not only had he survived but he actually looked relatively clean, healthy and well fed.  Then he just happened to pick the day Rick et al. encountered him to get killed.  Not only that but he got killed on a highway where it would have been difficult for slow moving walkers to have just slipped up on him.   How I resolved it for myself:  Judging by his clean, fed and relatively well rested appearance, I don't think the hiker had been on his own or on the road for very long.  I think he had been part of a group and/or at the very least had been in a settled location until just recently.  Maybe his location was overrun and (if he had a group with him) the rest of his group was killed.  Maybe he was hiding out solo and finally ran out of food so had to move. He certainly didn't have sense enough not to run around yelling (best way to attract zombies) which further makes me believe he has been 'sheltered' from the undead up to this point.   Whatever the case, I agree that he came across as someone who would be more a liability than a help.     My favorite dialogue exchange of the night (maybe slightly paraphrased):   Rick:  So we're eating his food?   Michonne: The mat said, "Welcome."

Your title:  "Rem 870 Dating"   . . . sounds like the prelude to a Shotgun Wedding . . .   :nervous:

Hmmm....could we just tie one to a chair every hundred yards or so? Kinda use them for bait?.....lol

Yet it is still sold at retail for $20 a brick. Sometimes i get really annoyed by greedy people.

Mark:____________ If it's brass it will clean up.  There may be some pits or scratches.  They dont mean much. As Rauol said; it will load ok.  That bein said; beware of the steel cased stuff (...check with a magnet...).  It will stick in your reloading sizing die.  Probably cant get it out without ruining the die.   Hope this helps. leroy

I was just really upset with myself yesterday when I came in from shooting and saw that I blew through about $150 in 22lr. 

today,  525 for $19 @ academy (probably all gone by now though).    The price is only jacked if you buy from scalpers, the big stores are not gouging.  

Good story. We all like to debate brand, caliber, FPS, etc but in the end as long as a person is armed and comfortably so, that is what truly matters. If a person doesn't like their EDC then they won't carry it everyday. I don't really like my wife's LCP (good gun just not for me) but its perfect for her and that's what's important.

  Ok, I'll bite.  What did you mean by returning soldiers?  Or are you talking about anyone who ever might have been in the military ever?  Because to current and recently ETSed military, "returning" mean one thing.   But to draw from one of those sources that article cites;   It appears that we need to watch civilians who have never served more closely than we need to watch military members.   I'm sick and tired of being bombarded with propaganda and misinterpretations that service members are a danger to others and themselves.  I sit through this type of garbage 2-3 times a year.  PTSD has been the hot button lately and I have a suspicion, recently bolstered by this BS the VA and the Government, that they're angling on taking away rights from the many, based on the few.

I think you worded it right the first time. I wasn't directing my laughter at you personally but expecting newbs to read the rules is like expecting folks to debate highly charged subjects using logic and reason without ad hominem attacks or insults. It happens, but it is the exception and not the rule.

  Because a goodly portion of them are not here to be "members."   Just here for the sales outlet it gives them to gouge prices on items mostly needed by people here.

There are better buys than money to get scrap metal; if you pay attention you can even find it free for the price of picking it up and hauling it off.

Why does everyone on this show carry cross draw? How stupid! Why on earth would anyone carry cross draw their only pistol. Maybe a back up gun but not their main pistol. Idiocy.

Yes our Laissez-faire economics are certainly revealing some interesting character traits here on TGO.

Like my Sigs. Like my Glocks. But this claim....don't see it. I've got a G36 that has no known round count on it. I'm the 3rd owner that I know of. It and the old square tupperware box look rough as a concob after a goat has had hold of it. But it's not given a bit of trouble ever.  I shoot it, wipe it down, literally throw it in the safe til nest use and forget about it. Cleaning? Infrequent and rudimentary at best. Field strip, wipe with a  lightly oil damped rag and go. No failures of any kind..not with me anyway. And last owner told me the same thing.

Yeah, Knoxville may be a "large metropolitan police department" but Glock is a major corporation. Their lawyers are going to have a field day with this.   If they wanted new guns, they should have said so, doing this was shady and backhanded, it will come back to bite the new CLEO.

Rausch is relatively a new Chief, having been in that position since 2011.   Having read some of the stories on this, here is my theory:  New chief simply wants a new weapon.  He likes SIG .45s, and wants to carry them.  He can't very well just say to the city council that he wants a new firearm just because he likes them.  So, he finds a way to sell it to them (like the 4 year lifespan claim, undocumented failures, etc...).   I have seen this happen many times before.  I worked for agency where we carried Glock 9mm pistols.  A new agency head was appointed who was a retired Secret Service agent.  The USSS carried SIG P229s in .357SIG, so he transitioned our agency to...........surprise.......SIG P229s in .357.  Another example is a federal agency that had a new chief who was a retired FBI agent, and everybody got new badges that looked like big FBI badges.

    Yeah! The school can't tell private groups how to operate! Christianity is about loving one another, unless you're gay. Or Muslim. Lord knows we can't have them Muslims and gays around the Christians- might be contagious or something!    So let's use the government to make this private university do what we want! Yay freedom! Yay America! C'mon, bubba, let's get 'em!    :rofl:  :rofl: 

So if you're a Christian group, why would you elect a Muslim or other religion into a position of power? That defeats the entire purpose? Seems like much to do about nothing and a bunch of rich kids whining.

it may be a cesspit, some republican intervention may revive or restore it but the liberal statist will never admit defeat, it will be the ceo's fault for leaving and if they can in 5-10yrs become fiscally solvent all you will hear about will be the social injustice that occurred as a result. just put up a wall & let em eat each other

There should be a hearing to examine the actual condition of the individual veteran before revoking his permit, not simply an administrative task.

I have a SHTF stock pile that I started long before the madness, I will not get into it just for range time. That allows me the luxury of being able to shoot what I find now, with the exception of .22lr. I have several thousand rounds but not knowing when I could replace them I am reluctant to send them down the pipe without something in exchange, i.e. a squirrel, or something else for the cookfire.   On a side note, My FIL asked me tonight if I knew where to get some .22, I just chuckled. He told me he finished last box last week. I told him I had not seen any in a few weeks just to keep trying online and checking the stores. Then it happened, he asked if I still had some. I said I had a few, I had searched and found some online about a month ago. he asked if he could have some of mine so he could target shoot some more. He is a die hard democrat and I could not help but laugh as I told him, "that is a democrat for you, you spent al of yours so now you want some of what I have worked for and saved." I asked him how he voted last year, and he grinned and said "you know how I voted" so I told him "you reap what you sow." I also declined to "share the wealth". Does that make me an ass hole?

  The problem with this is that guys who need help will drop out of the process too.  It shouldn't be freely handed out but the process shouldn't be so onerous as to discourage claimants. 

Dolomite, Tell me your precaution recommendations on handling hard cast lead bullets. I don't cast, but have bought and loaded hard cast bullets for years. I always loaded, handling the cast bullets with my bare hands, but washing with soap and water after a loading session. Should I be wearing surgical gloves? I won't want to, but I guess I would. thanks...

By this logic, we should declare the general populous crazy for continuing to elect these idiots!

In case your BOB has a bottle of wine and you forgot a corkscrew....................   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEPz1nkiwLI

Are minors welcome to come and shoot?  What are the caliber requirements? (.300 Win. Mag possibly?) Would it be ok for someone who has no experience shooting past 200 yards? (I can zero out to 350 before I come)