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  I think his practices and his system are maybe not unethical but they are shady.  He goes around the country to other states, places where he is not licensed to practice law, is not associating with local counsel, and I'm betting has never set foot in a courtroom, and teaching the law of that state.  He says it right there on his site: he'll be using cases, jury instructions and statutes from that particular state.  That is, in the words of Sonny Crockett, major uncool.  I go to nationwide CLEs with lawyers from Texas, California, you name it, teaching all kinds of subjects, but these are just general strategies, not state-specific practices.  If you want to learn Tennessee self defense law you better get it from somebody other than the guy spending a couple nights at the Days Inn down the street.   Also I'm not too impressed with his ability to analyze cases.  He apparently thinks the case he started this thread about is a big deal in self defense law.  It is not.  It is hardly about self defense.  It is an extremely common post conviction appeal on the Strickland v. Washington elements of ineffective assistance of counsel.  Thousands of these are heard each year in Tennessee (and other states I'm sure).  It is an unreported decision with little precedential value.  His main argument is that the trial lawyer did a bad job by not knowing the law central to their defense.  When I pointed out that the defendant was facing about 150 years and received a whopping 22, I got...no response.  Yes that little fact was just ignored.  I'm guessing that he's got such an erection for this case because it came out last year and so he can spin it on his unwitting customers as a new (maybe even groundbreaking!) and "important" legal decision on what a lawyer should and shouldn't do in a use of deadly force trial. 

   You're not married are you?  :rofl: I ask this for 2 reasons, 1 is that once married, things don't always go exactly as you would wish nor do they happen within the choice timeline that you would choose if your own wants and desires were the only ones to take into consideration.2 is that, and I know everyone has heard this before, weeks go by incredibly fast once you've hit that milestone. I'm sure others will agree but months go by like weeks, it literally seems like Christmas was just 4-5 weeks back.

Not to derail the subject but what is the deal with these people that think their gun is worth more in trade than in cash.  For example they will say "Glock 17 $450 cash or $550 in trade."   Could be possible that I'm missing something here, just doesn't make sense to me.  I figure if my gun is worth $450 then I should be able to trade you even for your $450 gun, not your gun plus $100. 

My wife has been up until a few minutes ago (3AM) when our dog started tapping on the door. Thank God and I hope every one else's dog comes back too.

Tombstone   Oops, forgot the "why". Overall great actors, but Val Kilmer killed it as Doc! I don't think they could have picked anyone better then or now to play that part like he did.

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We have a new master among us. Rickey congrats buddy

Ya beat me to it. Inconceivable!

The Princess Bride.   I love a good fairy tale, and it was funny as all get out.   I don't think a day goes by that I don't find at least one line out of that movie to quote in a relevant situation.

Off the top of my head some of the top ones are Shooter, Act of Valor, Lone Survivor, and Lord of War.

Tommy Boy. About half of my humor is roooted in that movie.

  Perhaps that, but basically establishing destructive/invasive/detrimental populations in places where they wouldn't have flourished on their own.   Russian pig always comes to mind first, but can be anything. Ultimately effort to not keep repeating kudzu, Guam tree snake, zebra mussels, silver carp, whatever...   - OS

Lonesome Dove.   Nothing else comes close

I delieverd for the Papa John's in Lebanon years ago.  There was no policy forbiding customers carrying on the store at that time, drivers were forbidden to carry though.  I did anyway, figured losing my pizza delivery job and keeping my life was an okay tradeoff.

DUI on the driver's part?  After he stopped it, he should've pulled the driver out and politely woke him up with closed fisted hugs.

  Better than 36 out of 88 LOL

Lets see 1 of you was shooting a new division and another was coming back after a long break taking care of a new baby and a new job and the last one is coming down from a big high on his accomplishments at the Carolina Cup. Just what did you boys expect?

City is in the title, Murfreesboro

   I wasn't aware that making sure to fire a rifle within a certain amount of time was a matter of personal responsibility much less a personal responsibility that takes priority over work, family, etc.. Most of the men and women on TGO LOVE to shoot and spend time at the range or field so i'm going to go out on a limb and assume that leaving the rifle marinating in the safe for 8 months wouldn't have been his move of choice if more important responsibilities hadn't gotten in the way.   Another thing is that the OP has not mentioned Outpost nor CMMG giving him a problem about whether it's been 1 day, 8 months or 2yrs since he bought it so i'm thinking his frustration is stemming from being pushed off on the manufacturer on the first rifle and/or having an issue with the 2nd rifle. Who knows, he may carry it in there Monday and Outpost tell him that they'd be happy to get it taken care or for him.   I can certainly imagine that there are a great number of cases of "buyers remorse" and "my wife wasn't quite as receptive to a new gun as I thought she'd be" and that sucks for the shop and the salesman that may have be paid on commission but a xx day return policy would fix anything like that from happening outside of that time frame. The difference here is that the OP wasn't trying to "return" or "trade" the first CMMG rifle that had sight issues, he just wanted it looked at and fixed and felt whomever he spoke with at Outpost should have had someone look at it rather than brushing him off and telling him that he'd have to send it to CMMG himself. He didn't trade the rifle until after attempting to have the problem remedied. I have seen what you speak of first hand though, A friend of mine had that happen from time to time when he had his FFL and there were a couple of times, after some questioning, the buyer let something slip that made it very evident that he had gone home and found it cheaper on Buds or some other online wholesaler and decided that he would return it claiming it was defective and then turn around and order the gun online to save $30 or 40 bucks. One guy was so dumb that 3 days after returning the "defective" pistol (which my buddy offered to replace with another out of the case) he came in to get FFL info faxed over to have the very same pistol transferred at my buddy's shop.. Needless to say, this guy was the kind of douche you are talking about and he was refused service.  Also, the OP stated that he "took it in the butt to trade it in on a SIG" which tells me that he either indeed told the shop that he traded it to that something was wrong or he wouldn't have had to "take it in the butt" (hypothetically I HOPE), or he traded it for the Sig at Outpost which they would have known of the issue since that's the reason he brought it in.  I certainly am not and will never argue that FACT that there ARE tons of rotten A'holes that will try to manipulate the system to their benefit even if it's wrong, unethical and a show or poor character but i'm inclined to argue against life being busy and not having time to make it to the range in a timely manner makes the OP one of the aforementioned "rotten A'holes"

If there was a problem from the factory 8 months later, they should still be liable for fixing it, whether it was brand new or used after 8 months they still put out a faulty product.

  Glad I got rid of him when I did or we might have been getting billed for all his "free" legal advice.

At least it's confined to the bolt carrier group, and is gonna be a real easy fix.

They have been doing this for several years.   Locally, Clinton & Halls

Folks, the Hines decision is really nothing more than a run of the mill post conviction case that happens to be about a shooting that the defendant tried to make into self defense.  It is not announcing any new law, and it is not a reported decision (meaning it has little precedential value).  Also, while I'm not going to go as far as TMF in the other thread, I do think there is some misleading information being conveyed by the OP that needs to be cleared up.   The trial lawyer in Hines did not do a bad job.  His client was charged with first degree murder, felony murder (essentially first degree murder) and especially aggravated robbery. He was convicted of the lesser included offenses of second degree murder on the two murder charges, and aggravated assault on the esp. agg. rob.  Guy was facing two life sentences for the murders (and I'm guessing this was a non-capital case) and an additional 15-25 on EAR.  A very, very long time if convicted as charged.   He got a total of 22 years.  That's very good, ok?  That's a great result.    Furthermore, it looks like the failure to understand self defense law was the less important of two issues in this case.  The bigger one was the lawyer's failure to impeach state's witnesses, and the defendant actually got further on that issue.  On a post conviction petition in Tennessee you have to establish two things.  One is deficient performance by your attorney, and two is prejudice resulting from that deficient performance. You can have deficient performance but no prejudice, and that's what happened here with the failure to impeach.  The court said the lawyer should have impeached, but that they didn't was of little consequence to the outcome.   As for not understanding the self defense law, both the trial and appeals court said it wasn't even deficient performance (the trial court maybe not as clearly) so the defendant didn't even get past the first hurdle. In other words, the appeals court didn't think it was that big of a deal. Yes, they did send out a little side note to the lawyer to please read the law before trial next time, but they didn't by any means throw him/her under the bus.  In fact the court commended the attorney for being able to switch tactics like that in the middle of trial.    So I disagree with OP that the trial lawyer was "pretty darn bad."  I think that lawyer did an excellent job with what he/she had to work with.  I think OP has latched onto a relatively minor issue and is trying to make it into the be-all-end-all of bad lawyering within the context of self defense cases.  Even the best lawyers have "oh crap" moments in the middle of trial.  Lawyers joke to each other that what we do is called the practice of law, meaning that we're continuously practicing it and never perfecting it.     Like TMF I do question OP's intentions for coming onto TGO with all of this.  Is it to sell a book?  I don't know.  But I do believe facts are being twisted.  Finally I disagree with his first comment that finding the right lawyer is too long of a topic for a forum post.  It's really quite simple and I can boil it down for everyone in a few words: get the best criminal defense lawyer in your area that you can, period.

How about we don't cooperate with these gun grabbing assholes in ANY WAY? They don't want background checks on private sales. They want gun ownership by private citizens to be totally eliminated. Their gun control schemes don't work, even in their anti-gun utopias. Piss on 'em.

I have a family or rabbits in my yard, starting to eat my garden, thinking about putting some arrows through them. I live in Rutherford county. Don't really care if it's legal or not.  FTW!

Tombstone followed by Days of Thunder...not a nascar fan, but love the movie

cat food and a trap is what i have used.  

The Outsiders. I'm not the type of person who can watch movies more than once, but I've watched this movie countless times over the years.

"The Blues Brothers" with "OH Brother" a close second....   leroy

Good point! I think your insurance needs to be adjusted too.

  I agree. This seems like a very atypical "self defense" case (in fact not a self defense case at all) and its use seems very disingenuous and doesn't imbue much faith in the OPs motivations. Perhaps this thread should be moved to tndrugdealsgonebad.com?

Unneccesary, unconstitutional, and false positive prone TICS needs to go away.  

Never have but have read up on it. I'm only loading .223 and 30-06 and brass is easy to come by so I don't have a need to anneal.

I don’t know why anyone is arguing about 8 months; it shouldn’t be an issue other than I doubt the dealer will take it back. But the dealer should ship it back for you or CMMG should send you a prepaid shipping label. Like Mike said it’s probably the BCG and they will probably just put another one in. Then you can wait another 8 months to see if that fixed it. I know how it goes though I sent a Shield back to S&W. I was concerned how long it would take; it ended up only being a 16 day turnaround time, but sat here for months before I shot it again. Now I get to deal with the Remington 700 recall.

The AP rounds that the military would have access to that we do not,they most certainly would penetrate armor, they were designed for it. The FN fiveseven had 100% one shot stops when hit either center mass or headshot from the Ft. Hood shooter. The limb shots had severe tissue damage. I believe if the army wants to think about the future of warfare, adopt the 5.7 or at least somebody do some extensive field testing. Otherwise, the army cant have everything they want. They want a deadlier caliber, retain high capacity, and have it fit everyone's hands from Tinkerbell to Sasquatch. You cant have it all. Assuming that we dont violate the no JHP rule, most logical option I see is the FNX-45, it wont fit the smaller hands, but neither will any double stack 45. It holds 15+1 of .45 is an accurate DA/SA pistol with a rail, currently available threaded barrel and the slide is milled for a red dot. .357sig isnt more powerful enough to warrant an entire platform change. Army is too pussy to adopt 10mm. .40SW would be ok but you would have a 9mm sized gun with reduced capacity to hold the 40 and possibly have longterm reliability issues. What else is there caliber wise? I dont think they are gonna go back to revolvers.

Congrats sir.

Rebuttall. Did I say I expected the manufacturer to take care of it? I did not in my post. Your comment is the rude and inflammatory. Now, do I expect to have the problem resolved by the manufacturer? Yes I do, to the extent of the warranty.

To not suck? lol

The only difference between that gun sitting in the OP's safe for 8 months and it hanging on a wall at Outpost Armory is that in his safe it was handled less and likely kept cleaner/exposed to less moisture. Yet, most stores and manufacturers have nothing but "time since purchase" to measure their perceived liablity. As a member of the "$hi+ comes up that takes precedent over going to the range" club, I can see it happen. However, knowing about the clock running from the day I purchase, I've always made time to test a new gun within 2 weeks of purchase. If nothing else, the fear of losing money will motivate me enough to make it a priority. But, that's just me. I'm lucky to have grown kids, a wife that's glad to get me out of the house, and few other responsibilities. Bottom line is that if Outpost had that gun in inventory for a year before it sold, the clock wouldn't start ticking. A consumer should be able to have the confidence in a purchase that extends past first-use, whether that first-use is the day after purchase or a year later.

Up front, Andrew should have followed TGO terms of use, and for no more than it cost, got a Vendor or at least a benefactor tag.   That said, (and I do not personally know him, just read a lot)   In spite of his approach, he is a known set of resources used by Drudge Report, Legal Insurrection, and TTAG, and I have seen him on Fox News, etc.   Say what you want, but he has captured the attention of the media, and voices out his opinion nationally.   It would have been really good to work out issues and get past the Forming and Storming stages with this guy, Boston, NYC, California or not.  Anyone that can call up Eugene Volokh or Alan Gotlieb to bend their ear probably has some decent information, once past the noise.

And he said that he was going to SSP , good thing he didn't. Way to go !!

I just went through this with an elderly aunt that had signs of dementia. I ask my father if he got the guns out of the house; he said he did. It’s not about rights it’s about responsibility. Of course gun rights pales in comparison to all the other issues families have to deal with in these situations.

You can get a jailhouse lawyer and see a judge impersonator, who will tell you that you have absolutely no case.

Hate? He addressed the case you started a thread about and is obviously familiar with. He is a criminal defense attorney in this state. I commend him for posting after you took your cheap shots at Chip. You obviously don’t like being told you are wrong. You came here to try to sell your seminar. If I were going to pay for a legal seminar on the use of deadly force would I rather pay for one from an attorney that practices in the county and state where the seminar is held, or one from Massachusetts? That’s a no brainer. You said you weren’t trying to sell anything, but that’s BS you were trying to sell your seminar in the very first sentence you posted.

Just a word on acepromazine.  It is a sedative but not anti-anxiety.  It sedates the dog so that the behavior that annoys the owner does not occur, but does not affect the actual anxiety.  So basically you get a sedate, anxious dog.  I prefer to use alprazolam (Xanax), but will combine it with acepromazine if needed.  I also use the Thundershirt.   The best treatment is desensitization to thunder in the non-storm season, but that takes a lot of work that almost no one wants to do.

  Hmmm. I see what you mean, then. Apologies if the comment seemed insulting or anything.   "Tennessee's Handgun Carry Permit does not meet the requirements of the federal Brady Bill because it lacks a requirement for an annual re-check of the permit holder's criminal history and it does not require a check through the National Instant Check System (NICS).  Therefore, purchasers holding a valid Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit still have to have a TICS/NICS check performed when purchasing a firearm."    I can find no requirement for the yearly check. Also, to think your HCP app is not vetted through NICS seems absurd. It's sent to FBI for criminal background check, which runs NICS. So what would FBI use if not their own system?   Also, our state legislators seem to think that we could enact it if we chose. Not that they're exactly the intelligentsia, but I do believe someone would have checked on that before writing the bill, which included no changes needed in the HCP process.   Frankly, I think that entire paragraph is bogus until proven differently. And the reason we can't use HCP for NICS is because we haven't enacted it, as the federal statute requires. Not to mention the fact that the state is not willing to let go of the 10 clams per pop.   As always, I'm certainly willing to be wrong -- but I'd like to see some documentation regarding this beyond their statement.   - OS

Simple answer is that they don't.

I try to make things as easy as possible for the officer when I get pulled over. I roll down my windows (all of them), turn on the interior lights, place both hands on the wheel and when the LEO asks provide both Lisc and HCP which are on the dash so I don't have to take my hands out of sight. I figure that's gotta be a tense moment for an officer... walking up on an unknown... anything I can do to make their life easier. The officers seem to be appreciative. It might not be necessary but it costs me nothing and makes their lives a little less tense, so why not.