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The religion of peace........my ass.

Before I start, Ive been rather stressed lately, and just need a place to vent after the idiocy I had to deal with last night at work. So I was showing my new shotgun to my brother in law whom I work with. Its an 18.5" cylinder bore Mossberg 500. Another guy we work with wandered up while were talking and starts giving unsolicited advice. First I said I still needed to drill and tap and add the front bead, which he informs me is stupid because you don't need to aim a shotgun, just point and shoot. I mention that a shot spread is gonna be very small at short distance, and that the myth of the street sweeper patterns isn't really true. He then mentions my pet peeve. He said a pump shotgun is his favorite for home defense because the sound of the pump racking will cause an attacker to run in fear. Why do people claim this? All you do when you rack the gun is slow yourself down and identify your location. He just wouldn't accept the fact that racking a shotgun wouldn't immediately cause any human on earth to faint or run in fear. Well, rant over. What myths have you heard about firearms and shooting that really grind you?

Oh no, she found us!:)

I rack the slide.....after I fire the first shot :)

Back in the old days, before 24 hour news channels, we did't have polar vortices. We just called it winter.

  Cooperation <> forfeiting my rights.    I look at it this way. Nothing good can come to me by consenting to a search. If I don't consent, they can't search and I go on my way. If I do consent and they find nothing, then I go on my way. However, if I consent and they find something, perhaps something I didn't know I had*, or that's not actually ilegal but the officer thinks it is (switchblade in the console, perhaps?), then my day gets bad fast. If they have PC (or think they do), they don't need my consent and they'll search whether I consent or not. Arguing about whether they really have PC or not or if something is actually illegal or not is for an attorney and a judge to discuss, not me and an officer on the side of the road.   That's not to say that I'm going to be a disrespectful ass-clown to an officer. I'm not going to make their job hard, but I'm not going to make their job easy at my expense. If I get stopped, I roll down my windows, turn on my interior lights, shut off the car, and place both hands on the wheel. I'll present my DL and HCP and inform the officer if I'm armed or not and if so, how and where I'm armed. I will respectfully decline any requests to search my vehicle. That's cooperating. Voluntarily participating in a phishing expedition isn't cooperating, it's stupidity.       *I mentor a kid through Big Brothers Big Sisters of Middle Tennessee (shameless plug for http://www.mentorakid.org). It's conceivable that one of those left-handed cigarettes might find its way into that teenaged boy's pocket (you know, to hold it for a friend), then find its way out of his pocket and roll under my seat. .

Those two are the biggest. Always said the only sound you will hear on my shotgun is the safety being pushed off. No racking of the slide here.

This is my hiking buddy.

[URL=http://s166.photobucket.com/user/predsgirl33/media/IMG_1821_zpsa196afb1.jpg.html][/URL] These are our mutts. The whole gang is here. From Left to Right we have : Chiquita "Banana" in the Thundershirt (Shar Pei and devil), Earl "The Squirrel or The Pearl" (1/2 Rottie, 1/4 Pit, 1/4 English Bulldog), Sophia "Meatloaf" (Pit and Lab), Maxwell VonTrampsalot (Labaweiner), Leroy Jethro Gibbs (American Staffordshire Terrier), Floyd (Earl's Brother/Litter mate). Clearly from the names you can tell I am a bit of a dogaholic. I love these goofballs more than anything in the world. We call them our kids, since we won't ever have real ones (by choice).

If you're cold, they're cold (13 degrees in Oak Ridge right now)

Let's see, my personal "favorites" include but certainly are not limited too: 1.Anything with a scope on it being called a sniper rifle. 2. Being asked which rifles are "automatic". 3. "The AR 15 fires a round so powerful it has no legitimate sporting use." 4. "The AK47 fires a round so powerful it has no legitimate sporting use." 5. Any comparison of the 7.62x39 to the 5.56x45 beyond both being small intermediate cartridges. 6. Pretty much any sheepdog reference. People aren't dogs. Not everyone who chooses not to carry is a "sheep". 7. That someone's nephews friends father had a smatter of LE or military experience which automatically making them an authority on all things firearms. 8.High round count used Glocks are worth more than new ones because they have extra magazines and are proven reliable.

If you believe you can simply point a shotgun in the general direction of something and hit it, you have never been bird hunting, I can guarantee you that.

I've learned to be VERY selective about who I discuss firearms with. There are just too many misconceptions that I don't want to waste my time trying to correct with someone who doesn't want to learn.

Miss Nikki. The Diva. We rescued her from a shelter going on 4 years ago.

I can hear the liberals now. " We need to get rid of all guns"  The incident, sad, indeed.

This one is called Punk. My wife got her 13 years ago and she still rules the house. Awesome on the donations. We stared donating food and treats to the local shelter here in Columbia, the workers there are great with giving the dogs all the love they can.

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Two things: First, great commentary on the response from the White House on the events. http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/07/the-white-house-on-charlie-hebdo-then-an Second: I don't think any explanation is needed.

  After being in LE for 13 years I can say I've talked to several people that have just left me thinking the exact same thing.     But as far the search topic people get too fired up on both sides. You have one side that says never consent, you are an idiot if you ever do. Than the other side says just allow it and move on if nothing to hide. I can see both sides but each person has to make their own decision and not try to influence someone else's mind. You will run into the idiots on the job who think they have to search everybody or don't know how to talk/read people to see if something shady is going on. But usually what I see on the street from the typical patrol officer is if you aren't acting super nervous or have a record a mile long I don't see people asking to search. I have actually noticed many of the new officers that have only been raised on stats/compstat they want to make a stop give a warning and move on to the next, just hoping to find somebody with a warrant because they can't talk to people or know how to do anything else.

Man I sure would not want to be a judge in this dog show. I would give all of them Blue Ribbons................. :up:

meh.  Racking Smacking.  Much better is the "scritch scritch" of the ol Bic Butane & the hissing of a lit fuse.  House clears out real fast.

Gun myth #37...... "You actaully have time to get to your favorite gun of choice for home defense in the 3 seconds it takes for the bad guys to rush through your door and into your living room."

This is our 5 year old Husky(Chloe). She's a complete diva but a great dog. She rules the house. The shedding is out of control though. Next is our 15 month old mutt(Gunner). He's a good guard dog and listens really well. Chloe beats up on him constantly! She looks mean as hell but when it comes to humans shes a big baby. Terrible guard dog...

Fritz. My dirty little Mini Schnauzer.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/ernursebjb/media/imagejpg1_zps512888ca.jpg.html?filters[user]=110587008&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1 This is Sadie. She belonged to one of my hospice patients and did not have any where to go after his passing. Family was going to take her to the pound. I COULD NOT see that happening. We were best friends until Dec 3 when she started acting weird and would not eat. Vet said she had liver cancer after a lot of tests. I still look for her everyday when I get home. You really can't beat a Weimy for a great pet. Thanks for starting this thread.

Take a fish sinker, lead ball, or whatever you can get your hands on that is slightly larger than the bore. Lube it. Shove it down the bore with a cleaning rod. Measure it.   I figure the lead sinkers that go in front of plastic worms would work well enough.

That drunk chick was a bit out of control but if I was in that room that guy would have been on the floor.   These are the people that are going to pay my social security.  :(

A big thanks out to Dave at Rocky River Leather , ordered on Monday shipped on Friday .....

Found this and nearly peed myself.

No, seriously.

I would just use some Cerrosafe and cast the chamber and throat.  That will tell you what you need to know.  Assuming you recognize the cartridge.     Calipers may get you close on the bore diameter if it has an even number of grooves and if you measure in the grooves.  Still won't tell you what round it shoots.

Ding, ding, ding!!!

You mean besides porcelain Glocks? and Glocks being undetectable on xrays? and that women can only handle .22 or .25 caliber guns? or that a "snub nosed revolver" is the perfect house gun...despite a 12 lb trigger pull? or that "cocking" a gun will "prove" you are serious?   Whatever do you mean? :surrender:

I can sure tell you who I wish WASN'T...

This is our rotten useless good-for-nothing hunk of dog flesh, aka hound of the baskervilles, aka bad dog, aka Opal. Her coloring as a puppy very much resembled a black opal and she's gotten darker as she's gotten older. She's 13 now. We believe she's a dalmatian (or is that damnation?) blue heeler mix which I wouldn't recommend to anyone. We got her from a shelter as a very sick puppy. As a puppy she was deathly afraid of tall men in dark pants which tells me there's abuse in her past. Major separation anxiety followed that we never really fixed, just learned how to better deal with it. A few years later epilepsy showed up. Then we had kids and she's bitten my oldest boy twice, the 2nd time requiring a few stitches. Now it's just cranky old age and arthritis. In her prime, she was the fastest dog I've ever seen. I've seen her run down a deer in an open field.

"Work Place Violence"

I'm not sure that poking the bear is ever a good idea, but that's pretty darn funny.  :rofl:

    True OS. at least I hope so...   But I honestly believe that in a couple of years some will look back at the ready availability and  affordability of gear like this  and go "If only...".   It's a buyers market at the moment, but we all know only too well how fast that can change. :2cents:

My best friend, Mario. Meanest back of any small dog I know, but a fantastic lap buddy and great co pilot.

So vets have been hearing about chicken jerky causing kidney disease for some time now--first in Australia, and then in America.  Up until recently, most of the chicken jerky was made in China; one reason that was suggested is that China has a surplus of white meat because they prefer dark meat.  Regardless, vets like me have been telling their clients to not feed chicken jerky for years, but it was only recently in the last year that the FDA has even issued a warning to consumers.   Part of the problem is that no one has determined precisely what the problem is.  Different labs have found different substances, but they have not proven that those substances are the cause (one was an antibiotic prohibited in chickens, but it shouldn't have cause kidney disease in dogs).  Since the FDA has made their announcement about jerky-related illness (http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ProductSafetyInformation/ucm295445.htm), I have noticed that many of the brands now say "Made in the USA."  However, I still warn owners to not feed chicken and duck jerky since we don't know if it is inherently safer being made in America.  For all we know, it could be something that occurs as part of the jerkification process, in which case it may not matter where it is made.   I have seen several cases of dogs with unexplained liver and kidney enzyme elevations that resolved when jerky was discontinued.  When you think about it, chicken jerky seems unnatural, and it is a relatively recent invention.   So my advice is to not feed any poultry jerky at all, regardless of who makes it or where it is made.

Hi Ron! I just wanted to share something with you. As an owner of 6 rescued dogs, (4 of which are bully breeds) I am a bit saddened by your opinions of what I know to be loyal and loving souls. If you go visit petfinder.com there's a whole special page devoted to myths about pitbulls! The first one they address is that pesky one about their jaws locking. It simply isn't true! If you were to compare the skull of a pitbull to that of, hmm a collie?, you would see no special bones, ligaments or anything else that would give them such an ability. What these dogs do have is determination. Which personally I think is a great quality! They never give up! Gibbs, my Am Staff (they're small and cute) he never gives up on kissing everyone. He loves to lick, it drives me nuts! Floyd and Earl are 2 of my youngest pups, they're 1/2 Rottweiler, 1/4 English Bulldog and 1/4 Pitbull (they're super cute!). They're determined to always pester me for treats and food to throw the ball! So annoying. But they still can't lock their jaws. I don't want to address everything you said, because we have such different views of these dogs. I bet we'll probably never agree. But, if you'd like, I'd love to invite you over to meet my "vicious" dogs. I'd love to show you what funny, goofy souls they are. I bet they might just surprise you. I understand that might not sound fun to you. An that's OK! But just know, it's an option if you'd like. When I met my husband I was terrified of guns. Seriously. 1,000% scared. The first two things he taught me were "all guns are always loaded" and "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Now, I love them. I love to shoot, I love to take friends and educate them and I really love to shop for them! You should see my new Mossberg! It's incredible! But my husband taught me that being a responsible gun owner and using them properly and helping to educate people about them is ok. I returned the favor but educating him on Pit Bulls. He adopted his first one after our Rottweiler, Buddy, passed away. This is a very loyal, very proud breed. Sadly the media and people who LOVE to believe the Internet and Media about what kind of dog they are have hurt the breed. So have people like Michael Vick. Dogs (all breeds) are a reflection of their owner. Dogs are a lot like 2 year old humans. Regardless of the breed, they are what we as humans make them. Lastly, I saw where you put that you've seen a Pit Bull fight. That makes me sad Ron, I hope you did the right thing and notified the authorities. Dog fighting is commonly used to fund illegal activities like drugs. Why would humans be that cruel? Make an innocent soul fight, just to fund illegal activities. And how can anyone with a good conscious view a dog fight? If you'd like to meet Floyd, Earl and Gibbs just let us know. Matt's a chef and he can make dinner. I think after a few minutes with them you'd probably change your mind and you probably wouldn't cut and paste incorrect information about a great breed that when owned by good people, are really loving companions! Have a great night Ron!

Dunno about Donaldson but I would be interested in doing this at Duncans in Columbia

  And this is where the Libertarian / Constitutionalist argument generally comes off the rails.  Your mentality is very isolationist and doesn't consider that you might just be in the minority.  Like I said, a win-win is for the State to acknowledge Constitutional open carry and sell permits for concealed carry.  Those who want a permit and reciprocity will pay for it.  Those who don't will just enjoy carrying freely inside the state.   As for how many people make use of reciprocity, I can tell you I do all the time.  And likely so do countless other Tennesseans with HCPs who travel back and forth to neighboring states on a weekly if-not daily basis.  Ask folks who live in border towns like Clarksville, Chattanooga, Memphis, Johnson City, etc. But what it sounds like you're saying is since you aren't one of those people, you couldn't care less provided it's free for you.   Like I said, very isolationist.

I've heard the whole "racking the shotgun" thing quite a few times too...I'm not so sure it would just cause somebody to take off running and in all honesty, if you are already in my house I A.) dont want you getting out and B.) dont want you to know where I am.

Starbucks is ok but small, shoneys by the airport has a back room an they stay open till midnight for the long winded and good chats. That back room can handle 50 people easy, for free....

Yeah, there is a lot more crud being blown back into the receiver when shooting suppressed and that crud can settle anywhere like inside the magazine.   If you think it will be a problem then install an adjustable gas block. They even make 3 way blocks. Once the gas is set you will notice the gun runs a lot cleaner, there is less felt recoil and the empties don't get slung into another county.   BTW, what can do you have?

  What you probably fail to grok is how securely he has the power to control what legislation gets to his desk, through Beth Harwell and other trusted sycophants. The House Finance Ways and Means committee is literally his personal graveyard for anything he actually opposes, regardless of what he says to the press.   - OS

Yeah those zombies are pretty easy to kill but I suspect they will be more like you see in World War Z, the masses running full tilt. Now that scares the bejesus out of me.

Here's the thread I posted when I got my guns in hand a little over a week ago: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/80914-new-level-of-personal-firepower-achievement-unlocked/ I finally got to try these out! w0lfattack, TNPoPo, and I went to the OK Corral in Woodbury today. The weather was nice, if just a touch warm. Great day at the range. Let's get to it! The Mossberg 930 - What a beast!! On the way out there, we discusssed the propensity of semi-auto shotties to not cycle with light target loads. I started with a box of cheap, 1oz Estate clays shells and loaded up 13. (Freakin's sweet!!! 13 rounds in ONE SHOTGUN!) All 13 went right where I wanted them, and without a hiccup. SuhWEET! TNPopo, especially, was pleasantly surprised the gun ran so well with such a light load. I was pretty happy myself! Next, I wanted to see exactly where the thing was shooting so I loaded 2 and a half boxes of slugs in the tube and went to work! I have VERY little experience shooting slugs and am not very good with just the front sight with no real rear reference. I was standing about 15 yards away from the target and I was consistently putting my rounds about 3-4" up and left. I think it's all on me, as the gun went right to target in the hands of a better shotgun shooter. Next we ran some sabot slugs, then 12 pellet, 9 pellet, and 8 pellet 00 buck. TNPopo showed us what a dramatic difference in patterns you get going with a lower pellet count. at about 12 yards, the 12 pellet buck spread HUGE! 10 pellets landed inside the standard torso sized target, with one slug landing in the paper just off torso on the right, and another on the left. I've never seen a spread that open in such a short distance. With the 9 pellet stuff, everything was pretty tight in about 4-5". The eight pellet shell was STOOPID tight! All eight easily under 3 inches. That doesn't mean any one is better than the other... it means I now have some great knowledge and different choices depending on what I want to do with my shotguns. Everything cycled great, and recoil is VERY manageable!! I normally get a little bruising when I shoot a lot out of my Mossy 500, but I'm not even a LITTLE sore now, and I put a lot of slugs and buck through the 930 today. That action soaks up a LOT of recoil! Honestly, unless I'm trying to distinguish the recoil between loads, I barely even noticed a difference between basic birdshot, slugs, and buck. The gun shoulders well and just feels pretty darn good to me! Now for the less exciting characteristic of the gun - You have to really make sure you insert shells in the mag tube ALL THE WAY before moving to the next. They seem to need to go in about another 1/8th of an inch to engage the shell stopper, or whatever you call the little tab that keeps the shells in the mag until the action is cycled, than I'm used to in my Mossy 500. If you don't get the shell ALL the way in, it can jump up under the loading gate and cause a doublefeed situation. It's cleared easy enough by holding the bolt back and removing one offending shell, but it'll be a real pain in the keister on a 3 gun stage. I need to practice loading in a more positive manner... I think that'll pretty much clear up the problem. I DID get it to malf eventually! I loaded another tube of the light 1 oz birdshot and shot from the hip with a pretty weak grip, and got one to hang up. My "limp-wristing" DID get cause the gun to short-stroke and not completely pull the next shot out of the mag tube, causing a hangup. Verdict: 8.5/10 stars. Super happy with the cycling, felt recoil, and overall quality of the gun, but the loading issue is a little annoying. For almost exactly half the money of the comparable Benelli, I think this thing is a steal. I am absolutely happy with this purchase. Now, the EAA Witness Elite Match 10MM! Wow. WHAT A GUN!! I hope the other two guys will chime in with their impressions of this sweet piece. Incredibly smooth slide, all the way up and back. Tight fit, exactly zero play. I took the slide off for a quick wipe down before the range trip, and the gun is well finished inside and out. No burrs, unsightly machining, or other shortcuts visible. Excellent overall feel and quality. I have to make sure you all know... this gun is under $600 BRAND NEW!! I know I said before in my initial impression posting that I've not felt another sub $1k gun this nice, and I still stand by that. Now, I have two other people that agree with me! Ok, she's pretty, but how does she shoot?! FANTASTICALLY is how it shoots!! This gun is no lightweight, and it's a PERFECT match for the 10 MM round! I couldn't believe how easy this gun was to handle. Seriously, I am still in awe of it. It shoots right to sights and has a really nice, crisp trigger. The small slack after takeup I mentioned in my last post just wasn't present today. Once I set the overtravel screw, I don't think I'll make any other changes to the gun. This gun shooting the 10MM (shot 50 Remington 180gr fmj, and 30 Freedom Munitions 180gr fmjs) feels better to me than full size poly guns shooting 40. It's much closer to a 1911 shooting 45s. Now, I said feels BETTER than a poly 40... not necessarily easier... the recoil I believe is on par or maybe a touch more, but it is much smoother, and the gun comes right back down for the next shot. We had zero hiccups with the gun. It has a strong, well-tuned extractor! Cases made a nice high and wide arc, flying about 12-15' between the 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock positions, getting 9-10' of air in flight. It was kinda' fun to watch! The high mag releasse I complained about before is simply a non-issue, now that I've shot the gun. I didn't even remember that I disliked it until a moment ago when I reread my old post! My Wolff extra power calibration pack of recoil and hammer springs came in today while we were at the range. I'm guessing the Remmy and Freedom Munitions ammo I shot was not necessarily 100% full power ammo. I'll either make some of my own, or Underwood will hurry up and stock some again, and then we'll see how hot the loads get. As for now, though, I think the recoil spring that came in the gun is just fine. Everything worked smoothly and I didn't feel any frame battering or anything harsh happening. The only issue with the Witness centered around the magazines. When loaded with 12 or 13 rounds (I mentioned in the other thread that the mag springs are CRAZY hard, and I couldn't load them to their 15rd capacity) two of the mags would not go all the way into the gun. We played around with them for a bit and found that if I just put in 10 rounds, they would work fine and drop free. Any more than that, though, and the internal stress must flex the mag walls just enough to cause problems. I will research this further tomorrow. We have a few ideas as to what's going on and how to fix it, but I won't bother typing all of that out until I've played around with them some more. Verdict: 9.9/10 stars. Phenomenal gun, regardless of the price. When the price is factored in, it almost becomes ridiculous to think that another gun could possibly justify costing 3 times as much as this does, as it just seems it's impossible to be 3 times better. Tactile sensation, build quality, and function are all excellent. The mag issue is keeping me from rating this gun a perfect 10, and even that's hard for me to do. I love it THAT much! Here's a little vid of me being a goober and shooting a junker guitar. Unfortunately, I'm quicker on the trigger than my camera buddy thought I'd be, and the guitar fell over on my very first shot, which the camera just missed. Oh well, it's still a video of some sweet guns goin' off! http://youtu.be/PK1OL8Cyv48