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They can have my grill when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

Since the initial fee is $115 and renewals are only $50 every 5 years, that would be a sweet deal if you got your permit at 21 and lived until you were at least 89.5...then you'd break even.   Edit:  89.5 years old to break even.

I thought forums like this were for gun friendly social networking.

I'm not as kind as you, HP. I'm just waiting for all the Glockaholics to lose their minds and sell their Shields stoopid cheap so I can pick up a few more. It seems Shields are just about selling for new money on the used market now. I'm looking forward to picking some up maybe around the $275 mark.

there's only one way to fix this problem, we need to ban teenagers.

Theater Seats for Seniors > An old man lay sprawled across three entire seats in the movie theater. > When the usher came by and noticed this, he whispered to the old man, > "Sorry sir, but you're only allowed one seat." > The old man didn't budge. > The usher became more impatient. > "Sir, if you don't get up from there I'm going to have to call the > manager." > Once again, the old man just muttered and did nothing. > The usher marched briskly back up the aisle, and in a moment he > returned with the manager. > Together the two of them tried repeatedly to move the old disheveled > man, but with no success. > Finally they summoned the police. The officer surveyed the situation > briefly then asked, "All right buddy what's your name?" > "Fred," the old man moaned. > "Where you from, Fred?" asked the police officer. > With a terrible grunt in his voice, and without moving, Fred replied... > ... "The balcony." > >> >> An elderly gentleman... >> Had serious hearing problems for a number of years. He went to the >> doctor and the doctor was able to have him fitted for a set of >> hearing aids that allowed the gentleman to hear 100% The elderly >> gentleman went back in a month to the doctor and the doctor said, >> 'Your hearing is  perfect.. Your family must be really pleased that >> you can hear again.' >> The gentleman replied, 'Oh, I haven't told my family yet. >> I just sit around and listen to the conversations. I've changed my >> will three times!' >> >> >> >> >> Two elderly gentlemen from a retirement center were sitting on a >> bench under a tree when one turns to the other and says: 'Slim, I'm >> 83 years old now and I'm just full of aches and pains. I know you're about my age. >> How do you feel?' >> Slim says, 'I feel just like a newborn baby.' >> 'Really!? Like a newborn baby!?' >> 'Yep. No hair, no teeth, and I think I just wet my pants.' >> >> >> >> >> An elderly couple had dinner at another couple's house, and after >> eating, the wives left the table and went into the kitchen. >> The two gentlemen were talking, and one said, 'Last night we went out >> to a  new restaurant and it was really great... I would recommend it >> very highly.' >> The other man said, 'What is the name of the restaurant?' >> The first man thought and thought and finally said,  'What is the >> name of that flower you give to someone you love? >> You know... The one that's red and has thorns.' >> 'Do you mean a rose?' >> 'Yes, that's the one,'  replied the man. He then turned towards the >> kitchen and yelled, 'Rose, what's the name of that restaurant we went >> to last night?' >> >> >> >> Hospital regulations require a wheel chair for patients being discharged. >> However, while working as a student nurse, I found one elderly >> gentleman already dressed and sitting on the bed with a suitcase at >> his feet, who insisted he didn't need my help to leave the hospital. >> After a chat about rules being rules, he reluctantly let me wheel him >> to the elevator. >> On the way down I asked him if his wife was meeting him. >> 'I don't know,' he said. 'She's still upstairs in the bathroom >> changing out of her hospital gown.' >> >> >> >> >> Couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. >> During a checkup, the doctor tells them that they're physically okay, >> but they might want to start writing things down to help them >> remember… Later that night, while watching TV, the old man gets up from his chair. >> 'Want anything while I'm in the kitchen?' he asks. >> 'Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?' >> 'Sure..' >> 'Don't you think you should write it down so you can remember it?' >> she asks. >> 'No, I can remember it.' >> 'Well, I'd like some strawberries on top, too. Maybe you should write >> it down, so as not to forget it?' >> He says, 'I can remember that. You want a bowl of ice cream with >> strawberries.' >> 'I'd also like whipped cream. I'm certain you'll forget that, write >> it down?' she asks. >> Irritated, he says, 'I don't need to write it down, I can remember it! >> Ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream - I got it, for >> goodness sake!' >> Then he toddles into the kitchen. After about 20 minutes, The old man >> returns from the kitchen and hands his wife a plate of bacon and eggs.. >> She stares at the plate for a moment. >> 'Where's my toast ?' >> >> >> >> >> A senior citizen said to his eighty-year old buddy: >> 'So I hear you're getting married?' >> 'Yep!' >> 'Do I know her?' >> 'Nope!' >> 'This  woman, is she good looking?' >> 'Not really.' >> 'Is she a good cook?' >> 'Naw, she can't cook too well.' >> 'Does she have lots of money?' >> 'Nope! Poor as a church mouse.' >> 'Well, then, is she good in bed?' >> 'I don't know.' >> 'Why in the world do you want to marry her then?' >> 'Because she can still drive!' >> >> >> >> >> Three old guys are out walking. >> First one says, 'Windy, isn't it?' >> Second one says, 'No, it's Thursday!' >> Third one says, 'So am I. Let's go get a beer..' >> >> >> >> >> A man was telling his neighbor, 'I just bought a new hearing aid. It >> cost me four thousand dollars, but it's state of the art.. It's perfect.' >> 'Really,' answered the neighbor . 'What kind is  it?' >> 'Twelve thirty..' >> >> >> >> >> Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the doctor to get a physical. >> A few days later, the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with >> a gorgeous young woman on his arm. >> A couple of days later, the doctor spoke to Morris and said, 'You're >> really doing great, aren't you?' >> Morris replied, 'Just doing what you said, Doc: 'Get a hot mamma and >> be cheerful.'' >> The doctor said, 'I didn't say that.. I said, 'You've got a heart >> murmur; be careful.' >> >> >> >> >> And One more..! >> >> >> A little old man shuffled slowly into  an ice cream parlor and pulled >> himself slowly, painfully, up onto a stool… After catching his >> breath, he ordered a banana split. >> The waitress asked kindly, 'Crushed nuts?' >> 'No,' he replied, 'Arthritis.'

i don't want to be shot with a BB gun.

  This is TNDOS red headed stepchild division,  man. They just replaced their abaci a few years ago.   - OS

Somebody gotta be Otis.

every time I have purchased a firearm they FFL has told the TBI the serial number as well as all my information, including my SSN. Now whether they keep it and pass it along I do not know but if I were a betting person I would bet there is a massive excel file owned by the .gov with all that information.

My 4 yr old already has a airsoft gun (plastic bbs) and he already knows you NEVER point it at a PERSON, and it stays locked in my gun safe until WE go shoot it.

OK, I might be reading this wrong, and if I am I apologize, but I think what everyone is saying is GET OFF MY FAT BUTT AND BUY YOURSELF A GUN BELT STUPID. lol So after some research and my personal taste I ordered this  http://www.thebeltman.net/horse4lg.htm

Interesting. Would make for a very good story. The Walking Dead.....starring......all the participants of this thread.

I can't wait for mine!

I would go M&P out of those. If you want capacity I'd go with the full size. If you want light carry I would go with the shield. I once owned a 9C and while it was a fine gun I just didn't really take to it. Also APEX makes some fine trigger kits for them.   I however carry a Glock 19 and love it.

If it was about convenience, they would simply allow HCP renewals to be conducted online like they do with drivers licenses.  This is all so they can say Tennessee has a "lifetime permit system in place."  It's a rip off from a money standpoint, and it's an insult from a handgun owners standpoint. 

Meh, I don't like gas anyway CHARCOAL FOR LIFE lol. Seriously I had a gas grill for one summer, gave it to my brother and went back to charcoal. That said this is a stupid waste of our tax money!!!!

Some here remember the fight we had over the State income tax.  It tool a lot of people, but we got it done.  These issues are won on a face to face level INSIDE Legislative Plaza.  If you you want to make a difference, you will have to show up. As long as they can count on the media to take their part and advocates do not show the numbers needed to push an issue, they win, every time.  There were 565,646 hunting license purchased last year, and 480,000 plus handgun carry permits.  There is some overlap, but folks, that is a big enough number to make them sit up and listen.  If we got 20,000 at LP on "Gun Bill Day", I bet that would make a HUGE difference.

Gee guys you have to have this all wrong. Haslam is a Republican. I have been told for the last 12 years that I can guarantee my right to keep my guns by voting for all Republicans. Don't check up on them, just follow the party line and vote for all Republicans and the problem is solved. Knowing that this is the word of the almighty (my preacher told me the same thing!) you must have it all wrong.   WAKE UP! The battle for our guns is to check out every candidate and to keep the thumb on them while in office. Both parties will hurt us in a heartbeat, as soon as they can get more power by taking our guns!

You own guns and your bored :cool:?  Wow.....GO SHOOT'N..!!!! LOL

There needs to be change. The wagons are circled and we are considered the Indians. They need to be reminded of where their support comes from next election.

I just shot off some .45, .223 and 9mm Perfecta and it was total crap  :puke: :puke: :puke: I suggest you guys don't buy any more, it's just plain old junk. Half of it I had to pull the trigger twice, and the other felt like it was going to blow my gun up.  :dunno:

Good ones, let me leave this one. 4 old retired guys were out driving and saw a sign for a pub so they stopped and went in. There was a sign over the bar ALL DRINKS 10 cents. So they all ordered a martini and the bartender said that will be 40 cents, well the martini's were great shaken and not stirred so they ordered another round. The bartender came back and said 40 cents gents. 1 of the guys said man how in the world do you stay in business selling drinks for 10 cents? The bartender said well about 3 years ago I won the lottery for 125 million I always wanted my own bar so I set the price for all drinks wine, beer, whiskey at 10 cents. Well there was about 7 or 8 people sitting at the other end of the bar but not a single glass in front of them and 1 of the guys says hey what is the deal with those folks not drinking? The bartender replied oh they are all from Florida and they are waiting for happy hour when the drinks are half priced plus they have coupons!!

We used to have bb gun wars all the time growing up, but there are pellet guns cheaply available today that have a similar performance of a rimfire rifle. They were available then too and a few of us had one, but they weren't allowed in the fights. I do recall a few years after high school hearing that one of my former classmates had shot another in the top of his foot with a heavy duty air rifle and that the other kid was walking with a cane for some years after.    It's a shame that it only takes a few instances like this and before you know it air guns will have the same stigma as real guns in the anti crowd.

I was always taught don't point ANY gun at anything you don't plan to kill, and the first lesson that was taught to me about was my first BB/pellet gun.

Bad news there. Reminds me of the BB guns wars we had when I was a kid. No pellets allowed and only 1 pump on rifles. It's amazing no one got hurt.

Justified !

I agree with Oh Shoot!  Bet'cha he is Lamar's heir apparent!

I purchased the pump yesterday at harbor freight, $55 total for it..and about $20 in pvc piping up the hill to my IBC tote.. :woohoo:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzmXmfv5WYM

Following is the contents of an email I received this morning. NOT good news at all.   Dear TFA Member and Supporter:   We now have proof that your fundamental rights that are recognized under the Second Amendment are under attack by Tennessee's legislative leadership!  This report from the Tennessee Spotlight (used with permission) sheds light on the shenanigans from the House of Representatives!   Tennessee Spotlight reports this morning:   Wednesday committee hearings reported out a sad outcome for liberty and constitutional government in Tennessee.   Having been set up by committee chairs as "Gun Bill" hearings, it was more like "'unable to fight' at the OK Corral". Realizing this, several bill sponsors chose to roll their bills to a future date. Those who chose to present were treated to a shellacking unseen in many hearings...and not because there was vigorous debate. There was little debate.   The committee in question was House Civil Justice Subcommittee, chaired by Coley from Memphis, and populated by Jones from Nashville, Beck from Nashville, Lundberg from Bristol, Carter from Chattanooga, and Wilburn from Somerville in West Tennessee.   Tennessee Spotlight exists to cover not just the substance of legislation (see tnspotlight.org for Issues) but the process by which it progresses or is killed off. Part of the process is the organization of the committees, including who chairs them. It is clear from this session that the committee organization part of the process is critical. The Speaker of the House is the person who does this. To any critical thinker, the fix was in from the start. Also note the Governor had made it clear that he had "flagged" many of these bills as unacceptable.   HB0994 by Todd, SB1058 by Green clarifies the ability of an employee to appeal a job termination if he/she believes the termination to be based solely upon the discovery of a firearm in his/her vehicle parked on company property. Jones asked if property rights were being considered in this legislation since "if I don't want you to bring your dog into my yard, you shouldn't do it. It's my property." Todd never answered her question but focused on the burden of proof aspect of the bill. This question keeps getting asked by people who refuse to allow employees the right to defend themselves to and from work. The bill eventually passed on a voice vote.   Sen. Mark Green's bill (SB0149) to eliminate from unlawful zones any areas "used" by schools had passed out of Senate Judiciary the day before 6-2-1. The bill was carried in the house by Debra Moody (HB0173) from Covington in West Tennessee.   The essence of the bill was the need to remove the word "use" from language in the current statute. Tennesseans are currently prohibited from carrying firearms onto property owned, administered, or "used" for school purposes. In a previous Attorney General ruling, he offered that a person carrying a firearm otherwise legally in a place where students are present in an official school function would be in violation of the statute. Thus, if your city allowed the legal carrying of firearms in a city park and the local middle school came there to play a baseball game (This kept getting brought up in Senate Judiciary), you would be in violation of the statute. The bill merely asked for the elimination of the word "use". There was little debate. The bill got a motion by Carter, but was killed for lack of a second.   Micah Van Huss brought HB0684, which merely restates the Tennessee State Constitution into law. "Article I, Section 26, "That the citizens of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime." There is not one single statistic that shows the added carrying of firearms does anything other than prevent crime. Just look at the recent drop in violent crime statistics coming out of Chicago.   Once again, the debate that did occur on this bill came mainly from the two Democrats on the committee. Jones went so far as to equate the intelligence of the Framers of the Constitution with backwoods hicks since "these were people who didn't have running water and indoor toilets" who wrote the 2nd Amendment. Beck offered that tourism is suffering now in Georgia because they enacted the same law last year. That statement, as I learned in Logic Class years ago, is an unfounded assertion. Carter asked the sponsor if the bill demanded that individuals wear firearms. Of course, the answer was no. Carter moved the bill but there was no second. The bill failed to even get to a voice vote. Well, I guess if you don't consider the fact that the three remaining Republicans on the committee, Lundberg, Coley and Wilburn didn't even open their mouths.   This bill had 24 House Sponsors. There are only six people on the committee.   HB0240 by Reedy, SB0207 by Niceley, which basically allows a gun dealer to skip the background check on a permit holder was presented. No debate. No nothing. No motion. No second. Bill failed. Here is an example of a bill trying to simplify the process of commerce while adhering to the intent of the law and saving the customer money. Bottom line. If you were to go into a gun store and buy a firearm every day for seven days, the merchant would be required to run the same background check every day and you would have to pay the same fee every time, regardless if you had just been cleared to receive a carry permit and passed all the state and federal background checks. The final indignity, among many, was the presentation of HJR0072 by Pody which allows for the popular election of the Attorney General. Pody had asked longtime constitutional defender John Jay Hooker to testify on behalf of the law. Hooker, who has forgotten more about the Tennessee Constitution that the entire committee knows, gave an impassioned historical and legal perspective on the need for Tennesseans to be enfranchised to vote for the AG. (Do yourself a favor and watch the video here.) Why is this important?   Hooker reminded the committee that Tennessee was the only state where the Supreme Court appoints the AG and that, in the past, when the Supreme Court Justices were actually elected by the people, this gave the people control over who served as AG. However, with the justices having been unconstitutionally appointed by the Governor for the past 40 years, there was no check on the AG selection by the people.   Remember, the Tennessee AG refused to join over twenty-five other states who opposed ObamaCare. Also remember, that the organization that misinformed Tennesseans about Amendment 2 was just cited by the Tennessee registry of Election Finance to be in potential violation of election laws and an investigation is ongoing to determine who the organization actually was. The only discussion was the fact that people didn't want the position of AG to become political and that in states where the AG was elected, it was seen as a stepping stone to become Governor. Pody had researched the issue and only 16% of the time has this happened. Lundberg asked what the percentage was where the AG had "run" for Governor. Pody did not know that answer. Far be it from elected officials doing anything "political".   It did not go unnoticed that following the adjournment of the committee that Bill Gibbons, Commissioner of Safety (?), came into the room to congratulate the members. Pretty obvious, huh?   Finally, the takeaway from this charade is the fact that only 6 out of 132 members of the General Assembly decided that legislation of this import was not worthy to be voted on by the Members. Over six million Tennesseans were disenfranchised by these shenanigans. We can and will do better.   Jeff Hartline, Executive Director Tennessee Spotlight John Harris TFA Volunteer Executive Director   P.S.   If you are a TFA member, we need your continued member support.  Share this email with your friends and on Facebook. If you are not a TFA member or need to renew your membership, please consider joining or renewing today by going now to the TFA's website!

    Looks like they're well on their way to being fine, upstanding pillars of the community.  :unsure:

  Interesting. And pretty sad.   Here's layman's guide, checker, how to nuke:   http://www.cnet.com/how-to/lenovo-superfish-adware-uninstall-fix/   My ThinkPad laptop is maybe 3 years old, doesn't have it, and neither does my quite new Lenovo ThinkCentre desktop. Thanks for the heads up.   - OS

There are a lot of us who are really wondering about the depth of the motivations behind the most recent MITM SuperFish engine that came installed on the Lenovo machines.  Just make sure you give it a good scrubbing first.   I guess that goes for pretty much all of them these days.   I just made the switch to a MacBook after 35 years of being a PC guy.  After about 3 months in the environment, I'm not sure I'll consume Windows except through a VMWare environment again.  It's nice to be able to have a fresh image, load that image, do your work and start clean again next time.  I remain a big Microsoft believer, but virtualization in your personal computing consumption has a lot going for it.

  Negative. The only info submitted for the NICS check is your personal info (name, address, ssn, etc.). No firearm info at all. All the firearm info goes onto the Form 4473, which stays with the store/ seller and doesn't get submitted. The ATF can only get that information from the seller if it is part of a criminal investigation, or if there is suspicion of a crime.

Like I said in my first post here. If we can sit here and post and read things that make us upset, it only takes a few minutes to write a short but sweet email to your local guy or gal representing you and making your feelings know and make sure come next election you will remember how they voted on things that you wrote them about. I wish I was smart enough to put a petition together here and begin gathering signatures and when we have enough to turn some heads in the Wagon Circle send it to them and see if we can't open a hole in the circle of wagons. If we never try we will never know.............jmho

Ok, just sitting around the house being lazy today and thinking about some things.   As usual, it involves sitting here on the keyboard looking at different forum and news items.    And for the life of me, I really can't remember this morning where I first saw this quote..."It's not how you start...it's how you finish."    Damn. That really hit me hard today. Think about that. There is so much in that line that it poses thousands of questions and comments for me.    I sent about an hour searching it out and reading about it.   Seems that it's mostly attributed to Carlos Zambrano, the MLB pitcher for the Chicago Cubs and the Marlins. Read about him and some of his activites and comments.   Many of them are good, but this one really hit home.   The partial quote is from a comment he made during one of his pitching career interviews. The full quote is this..."It's not how you start, it's how you finish. We have to move on. I have 30 more starts. This doesn't bother me."   I know it relates to his career and the ups and downs of his time on the mound. But it just stood out. Boldly.   "It's not how you start, it's how you finish." Such power in that line.   It is an awesome truth.   It's also a motivational line that just screams out at me today.   As I said, I've been sitting around here thinking today, sort of taking stock of my life and blessings.   I turned 63 today. Not looking for words of congratulations.   It's just another day. An event like any other.   But I saw that line and just froze up. "It's not how you start...It's how you finish." Yes, I've modified the quote to add a little more emphasis.   I'm going to attempt to keep that in my mind. I think it's one of the most inspirational lines from the mouth of a human being I've ever read.   "I's not how you start...It's how you finish."   I'm going to try to live with that in mind every day going forth.     Sorry for the length, I'm just in that mood.

M&P Shield

This proposal, which monetarily is not a good deal at all, leads me to believe they also have plans to jack up the renewal fee if not this session then in the near future.

I'll most likely end up with a 43, I kind of like the size... just had my name added to the list at my LGS. (G43 is in red)

I will say that they are addictive. I came from shooting and owning glocks. This being my first 1911 I really didn't know what to expect. But I do know this; I really enjoy shooting this gun! Now I'm not gonna rid the safe of my glocks. But I have a feeling that the glocks are going to have to make room for more 1911's

Great job GT.  I always enjoy seeing the knives that the guys on here make. I even save the pics and open them in another venue that lets me ZOOM in to see the awesome detail these knives posses.  LOTS of talent here. Congrats on these two knives. They are awesome.

    Actually your vehicle could be more enticing because it won't look like it has an alarm on it.

Sorry but I can't bring myself to love either one of them. They both SUCK!!!!  At this point we are stuck with them is all...........jmho

Yes MASTER, I plan to be there. Had a lot of fun last time. How long do we have to call you Master? Congratulations by the way. That's pretty awesome.

  Once again, not elegant.  Not as elegant as handloading and hunting them with a $500 handgun.  Much more 'sporting' our way.   Though I have knocked them out of the air with my hat and stomped them, when not properly armed.   Some of my son's in-laws in Ontario think that shooting bees is unbelievably redneck and typically American.  I agree and don't want to disappoint them.

  Don't let my wife see that. Our 2 year old grandson lives in Nashvegas and the wife just about has a cow at least once a month or so complaining she doesn't see him enough....

My "primitive hunting" setup:

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My wife's carry and my suit-carry is a Sig P238. Very solid weapon, and quite compact. The selling point for my wife: it is a locking breach pistol, and therefore the slide does not have to be tightly sprung -- she can manage the slide easily. It is an elegant, tight and accurate weapon.