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Ok, I spoke with Dave today at Blade, if you all are happy with it I will do a Very cool TR4 next (Dave is as excited as I am about it) and the Godson will be early next year

Some good may come out of all this after all.  Maybe the Chinese will provide us with Hillary's email.

Close the revolving door at the courthouse. One of those doors needs to lead to prison. You point a gun at someone during a robbery and you should get a bunch of years; first time. And if you shoot someone you never get out. Untie the cop’s hands. Tell them to take down the gangs and stand back and watch. Less “Special Units” and more uniformed cops on the street. Uniformed cops in marked squads are a proven deterrent. When you see a crime or a suspicious person; make the call. In populated areas cops get sent from one BS call to the next. Most of the time they don’t have the time to be proactive; they are reactive. They depend of the community to be their eyes and ears. I’ve seen a lot of bad people take a fall because a citizen witness was feeding information to a dispatcher while the Officers were responding. But most importantly...jobs. Jobs and the economy should be the first questions you should ask anyone that is running for office. And then look in the mirror and ask the same. Jobs won’t stop crime; but they will put a bigger dent in it than anything I can think of. As our economy worsens more Police and Fire will be needed; and they will be added. If you are a property owner you will foot the bill with increased property taxes. There will be new or higher taxes for the rest of you. We The People did this and We The People will have to get us out of it.

    Tell me I'm not the only one who read this to themselves with a poor russian accent....

  I believe it was Ivan Chesnokov who once said...   WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!  OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO F*** YOURSELF IN A**HOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?  RIFLE IS FINE. YOU F*** IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

Wow I thought I was the only person left on the earth that refuses to get on Twitter.

  For me, the standard line of thought is that cops are okay at reacting to events, but everything leading up to and during the event is on the individual.  Things like the store robberies are why we carry.  Mine own self-defense is my responsibility, not a police officers.

Waze, is the best traffic routing app I've found. Allows users to report cops, traffic, wrecks, ect.

It’s not a collector and you don’t have anything in it. Time to learn. If you have any mechanical abilities all it’s really easy. There are some common sense things you need to be carefully of; but a model 15 is a workhorse. Buy the Video “Trigger Job” by Jerry Miculek. Even if you don’t do the trigger job it shows you how to strip that gun down totally. Any questions you have can be answered here. Besides that you can’t call yourself a firearm enthusiast if you are afraid to take the side plate off a Smith & Wesson. I’d use this opportunity that has been dumped in your lap as a learning experience.

  I wouldn't worry about getting inside of it unless something doesn't work.  The vast majority of revolvers (and semi-autos) are never stripped to that detail nor do they need it.  If you want to lube the innards just pull the trigger back and dump some oil in there.  It will get where it needs to be.

I love the Chinese response...angelic, as if they've never been implicated in this type of thing before. I know the US is doing this type of thing too (just ask Germany), but I'd like to see the US tighten up its defenses against these type of attacks.   http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/opm-data-breach-china-hits-back-u-s-over-federal-n370351

You probably won’t carry it, so why a 3”? If you want a range/competition revolver I would go 4” (or possibly 6"). There are plenty of pre-lock 686’s available. There are also 19’s and 66’s available. If I could find a mint pre-lock I would buy it, but I wouldn’t take a used pre-lock over a new 686; especially if I was going to use it as a target revolver or for home protection. The lock is a non-issue for anything other than collectability. And even then you will see guns with locks selling for as much as those without. A 686 is not a collector’s item in the gun world. There are thousands of grips made for K/L frame; any size and shape you like. I shot in pistol competitions for years with revolvers and it boils down to personal preference; mine is for Smith & Wesson. I own handguns of all types, but my nightstand gun is a 686. The bottom line is this. If you line up shooters at 25 yards one with a K frame, one with an L frame, one with a Ruger, and one with a Python, all in 4”; the deciding factor will be the shooter, not the gun.

I've got a Wiley in a Simply Rugged pancake and it conceals nicely under a t shirt. Good balance, only likes 158 gr loads though.

Reminds me of something Randy included in his dissertation, PESTS EAT FAST. Criminals gravitate to the nicer sections of town, you all got better stuff to steal than their home neighborhood. I'll bet the car jacking targets we nice rides and the driver was distracted - fiddling around with the radio or personal device while the light was red...Please PAY ATTENTION to the world around you...

Just wait til one of the carjackers gets capped trying to jack the wrong person. We'll get to hear how little Freddie Trayvon Brown was always a good boy and there was no way he'd ever try to rob anyone. Maybe Uncle Al will even show up to help calm things.

I have used Waze too. I especially like the reporting speed traps. Not that I need that. ;)

Willis - you are worse than a crack dealer [emoji12]

I placed an order for 2 1911 frames and 2 1911 slides at 10am   12:07pm i rec'd shipping notice email.   That has to be some sort of record...

Well for the last 12 or so years, I have been wanting to go to the Blade show, today it finally happened, I was like a kid in the biggest candy store in this world, I got to meet all the Knife makers that I have been friends with on the internet, it was a pleasure to put a face to all the names I know.   I probably handled more than 500k worth of knives today but restrained myself to only one Purchase I got a very special stainless steel Magic knife from my friend Dave who owns Protech. For those of you who know how special his knives are, let me just say getting to know Dave and his Father today, they are some of the best people that I am proud to call friends.     I am planning on attending all 3 days  next year and will be stashing cash for the show, if any of you are wondering if the trip to Atlanta is worth it let me just say if you like any edged tool on this earth, you will absolutely love it :usa:    

Actually...there's two in the crowd. I like it as well.

I like the Godson, but already have a maple one. The TR4 is big on my list.

    The knife is too small for it, the TR4 is just right for it and the Magic is more of a gentleman's knife than a bad ass Knife to punish

Adjustable sights are the difference between the two.

MHL6493, here is what your Model 15 looks like on the inside. The part marked "HAMMER BLOCK" is the part you saw moving up and down when you moved the hammer. It is the only part that will fall out when the side plate is removed, being held in place by a matching groove in the underside of the sideplate. All of the other parts require a little gentle prying with a screwdriver to get out. This is a stainless steel Model 64 from 1970 I bought in almost unfired condition two years ago.

The old man placed an order for one hamburger, French fries and a drink.                   He unwrapped the plain hamburger and carefully cut it in half, placing one half in front of his wife.                   He then carefully counted out the French fries, dividing them into two piles and neatly placed one pile in front of his wife.         He took a sip of the drink, his wife took a sip and then set the cup down between them. As he began to eat his few bites of hamburger, the people around them were looking over and whispering.         Obviously they were thinking, 'That poor old couple - all they can afford is one meal for the two of them.'         As the man began to eat his fries a young man came to the table and politely offered to buy another meal for the old couple. The old man said, they were just fine - they were used to sharing everything.         People closer to the table noticed the little old lady hadn't eaten a bite. She         sat there watching her husband eat and occasionally taking turns sipping the drink..         Again, the young man came over and begged them to let him buy another meal for them. This time the old woman said 'No, thank you, we are used to sharing everything.'         Finally, as the old man finished and was wiping his face neatly with the napkin, the young man again came over to the little old lady who had yet to eat a single bite of food and asked 'What is it you are waiting for?'                   She answered               (Continue below - This is great)    'THE TEETH.'

If you lived closer to my place I'd offer to take you through the disassembly, inspection, cleaning and reassembly process on your Smith. Heck a light action job isn't too difficult but I've never encountered a S&W K or N frame from the fifties or sixties that reały needed one. All I ever did was a detailed clean and lube.

Unless it is already wore out I don't think you could afford enough plus p ammo to wear it out. To be honest, I wouldn't try to refinish it. There are a lot of "Smithophiles" like myself that just like a true original.

And remember that there is a right and wrong way to remove the side plate. The wrong way is to remove the screws and pry it off with a screwdriver - this will destroy the fine fit of the part. The correct way to do it is to remove the screws and grips, lay the gun on its left side in your left hand over a padded surface like a couch or bed and lightly smack the grip frame on the up or right side with a wooden or plastic handled screwdriver. The tapping will dislodge the sideplate. When it pops out of the frame, you're good to go.   I agree with the other gents. Remember that the standard service load in 1958 was a 158 grain lead round nose bullet traveling at 855fps and developing 255 foot pounds of energy. That's pretty anemic, and I have no doubt that a steady diet of +P ammo will shoot it loose. So I'd forget any high pressure ammo and let the old trooper be what it is. I would invest zero money in it beyond a set of grips that fit your hand well enough to enjoy shooting it.

As a S&W lover/collector I am with the factory on their assessment. Clean it and shoot it.   A Model 15 no dash in mint condition is a $550-600 gun at best. They are not really collectable and to restore that one, if even possible with all the pitting would cost 3x that.

How's the SA/DA trigger pull?  I ask because someone's been inside that gun.  You can tell from the boogered-up screws.   It may look like hell but I bet it still shoots great.

roughly  --- model 15 straight up is '57 - '59 best I could glean from the web.   it can probably hand 38+P in small doses, they were well made back when, but I would not shoot a LOT of them.  Beware of any that were made for 357s ... some 38s are nearly disguised magnums with the online load data sharing sites (it says so if this is the case).  That would always be home-cooked hot loads.  Factory +P should be ok but again, don't shoot thousands of em.  More likely than pressure problems would be hot gas cutting from too many hot loads.    it looks blue to me.  picture is hard to say.   take it apart is easy.  Putting it back together takes 4 or 5 hands but it can be done by anyone with patience and carefulness.   But its likely rusty inside... youll need to polish that off and maybe give it a light protective coating (blue ink pen type) and keep it oiled after.   Odds are all it needs is a de-rusting pass on the internals and a refinish on the external.   Its largely a hunk of metal... it should mostly be ok apart from cosmetic damage.  I think S&W will refinish it, if no one else will. Its hard to find anyone with a real bluing system anymore, EPA has made it unpossible to work with it for small outfits. 

1)  It was made in 1958 2)  There was no +P rating back then but the gun can handle it. 3)  Most likely it left the factory blued (definitely not stainless) or it was nickel and somebody tried to blue it.  :lol:  Pics are often deceiving of old S&W's cause back then they had a very bright, polished blue finish. 4)  Ballistol....in case it is nickel:       5)  Don't know who could fix it up.

  I would say that in Tennessee, shooting a carjacker in the act of forcing their way into your vehicle is justified. That's my plan.

  Did I say I'm spastic? I'm not gonna use a belt sander on a $450 knife when I have an Edgepro in the closet. I have burned an edge with the Worksharp. All you gotta do is stop moving for a second to do that. I use my worksharp, just not on the expensive stuff.   BTW... the Ken Onion version of the Worksharp is better. You can vary the speed and angle with it. I was gonna get one, and just never got around to it. I have lots of respect for Ken, and have a few of his designs.   http://www.worksharptools.com/knife/sharpeners/knife-sharpener/knife-tool-sharpener-ken-onion-edition.html

Yeah, don't get confused and grab your wife's teeth by mistake, you'll be blabbing all day....

    That's what I had by my bed!  Well, until the canoe accident.

Politicians can create jobs by working with businesses to give them incentive. We can create jobs and a better economy by supporting companies that manufacture products in this country. No, carjackers and gas station robbers aren’t looking for work. But if kids are raised in a family that works and has a better life; they may have some work ethic instilled in them and not become criminals. Nothing wrong with giving big employers all the tax breaks and incentives it takes to get them into your area.

Your right, just send me all those undesirable smooth cylinder Smiths. Any three inch barrel Smith will be a highly collectable and desired piece. However, you often pay dearly for them. The fit and finish of a GP100 will not compare to most Smiths, but you don't pay for it either. Rugers are fine pieces for what you pay for them. I will say that the GP100 Target Match and Wiley Clapps I have seen actually have some of the worst finishes of all the Rugers.

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What ever made anyone think that crime was going to go totally out of control in just in a few big cities? Once the badguys nationwide get the idea that the cops are compromised nationwide, there'll be hell to pay, and they should sure know it by now.

I will see tomorrow when I meet with Dave, if the TR4 knives will be on tap for the next TGO knife or the Godson, which ever will be easier for Protech, either will be an awesome knife

Sig 1911-22 is a nice gun............Thanks to GSG !

Another waze user here.

Pro gun organizations should publicly distance themselves from this guy. Lots of people want to know why "peaceful" muslims don't condemn radical Islam and just assume it implies agreement. I think the same thoughts will be at work here

Waze for me - especially in metro areas.

Well sonofa...   My wife is not going to happy about this situation.

One of my all time favorite carry guns is this Smith & Wesson PC 686 Plus: [URL=http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/mootw/media/Revolver/817b1056-bd4f-409c-a6b2-1cbcac569be5_zpsf95f1b6e.jpg.html][/URL]

Spyderco Sharpmaker

How about a RIA 1911 in 9mm?