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Civil disobedience may be required if the cities are going to be reminded what the law actually is.   Get 100 or so people with a valid HCP, have them open carry for demonstrative purposes, and dare the public venue to deny them admission, and/or the local police to arrest them for trying to do so.  Politely but firmly, stand in line as a group, refuse to move aside until you're allowed admission, and let the situation develop from there.  If the city wants to arrest 100 people for exercising their legal rights, they will have to risk more problems and a class action lawsuit to do so.   I really don't see an alternative that won't take years in court battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=58&v=rKpfD_MECgE

If anyone has any memories of 9/11 they want to share, feel free. Perhaps, you may want to say something about someone you knew that was lost that day. Thankfully I didn't know anyone that was lost that day. I know over the years I have met allot of people that were there. Perhaps you just want to share where you where when you heard the news. On 9/11 I was between jobs, I had moved back in with my parents. I had enough money in the bank to move out if I could only find a job, but that money was shrinking. I was in bed asleep when the first plane hit. Mom came in and woke me up and told me what happened. Everyone including the reporters were reporting it as a terrible accident. It was believed to be an accident until the second plane hit. Then it was known to be an attack of some kind. I remember I took every gas can we had, I all of our cars out to the gas station to fill out. By my second trip the price was already going up. Continued watching the news just waiting to hear anything. Nothing I could do remotely to help. On one hand I wanted to go to NYC to help but the other other hand what could I really do that they didn't already have people available for. Later that month I was in Oak Ridge with a New Job @ Client Logic. Been in OR ever since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY00LmtUlqQ&list=PLUoL7hxzAJx3ovhkaEi5pty_AmhOXIFry&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyQyH4RoDbw

Water in the gas? I've had this happen before.....more than once.

Me and you both. I'm still pissed at that one and not likely to get over it.

Get one waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than you think you'll ever need.   That's my advice.   Liberty makes a fine safe.

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My adventurous days have long passed me by, so I have ask myself; Caster, wtf are you doing out here in the woods? Seriously though, I'd hate to know I had to use it....but I must admit to staking claim on a currently half full two liter bottle in the fridge. I'm gonna try it. Lol!

I'll see if I can find a video of Cook's recent comments  - here's a link - they we're basically a mea culpa where he said that we as consumers have been way too willing to trade security/privacy for convenience, and that Apple had been all to willing to facilitate that trade for more access to consumer data.  With all of the Snowden revelations - and moreover with the post-9/11 power grab by the government - they really realized the cost associated with that tradeoff, and have decided to push back.  This is fundamentally important.  It could be as historically significant as Phil Zimmermann refusing to backdoor PGP back in the day.  The stance could frankly be Tim Cook's legacy. Mind you, this will take consistent vigilance, but I'm excited to see a company making a stand.   At least right now, I think Apple is in the better position here than Google.  I recognize that Android is largely open sourced, and Google corporate is not Android per se.  That said, Google's business model is still us.  They're not as valuable without all of the data on us.  They're going to have some work to do in the next few years.   Microsoft is actively fighting a court case to watch right now.  It's going to have huge ramifications in the privacy space.   To some extent, I think we as consumers - and certainly the big tech companies are starting to realize the costs associated with the never ending so called Global War on Terror.  We're going to have to push back at some point

Gitchoo a padded electric guitar bag. People just think I keep a Les Paul in my trunk at all times... ya know... in case the zombie apocalypse happens and we need theme music. ;-)

If there are any NRA certified folks on here that have nothing else to do at that time.... Might make sense to have someone who actually knows what they're talking about there.

I have a MacBook and an iPhone, work supplies me with an iPad. I'm a big apple fan because I'm not a tech guy and don't care to be. I want something I can turn on, use, and turn off without having to mess with it. That said, I hate apple music so much if I could find an android app that was like the old iTunes used to be I would probably switch. That one forced change (came on my iPhone 6) has done more damage to my interest in apple than anything else.

Apple is able, as a byproduct of their size to do one thing well - scale.  As such things like using a limited NFC capability for Apple Pay will likely work where others have failed.   I wouldn't call myself a fanboy by any stretch - when it comes to tech, I'm pretty agnostic and moreover am pragmatic.  I'm going to use what facilitates getting the job done best.  That said, our family has chosen to generally step into the Apple ecosystem, and we're pretty happy there.  Some thoughts:   1. I was a PC guy for 35 years.  My dad got one of the first 300 IBM PCs off the line back in 1979-80, and I've generally stayed there over the years.  It wasn't until the first of this year that I replaced my work machine with a MacBook Pro.  Most of the reasons for me staying on a PC for so long were wrapped up in the fact that the forensic tools we use are generally PC based.  That, and I was comfortable with what I knew - despite suffering a lot of little frustrations over the years.  While I am not an IT support guy on a day-to-day basis, I would call myself an expert tech.  And the fact that my high end factory built Dell workstation would regularly lock up, blue screen, fail to come out of sleep mode, etc... just added up.   2. When I decided to replace my $7,000 workstation, frankly there wasn't anything in the PC space that was really that compelling.  A legitimate point to Apple - they're making better hardware than anybody out there.  Period.   3. There are some issues with that great hardware - mainly that it's made by exploited Chinese workers with the little fairylike hands needed to put this stuff together.  That's not a problem that's unique to Apple - but it's one that we should likely require them to take a lead in addressing - again because of their size and ability to scale.   4. Apple's generally closed OS is better for my family - and as a result for me because I don't have to spend a ton of time troubleshooting their stuff.  The 'it just works' may be a stretch for everything I want to do, but for my kids and my wife it seems appropriate   5. Sticking with one ecosystem works well for me.  I hardly ever even open my MacBook Pro.  When I come into the office in the morning, I plug the power adapter and a thunderbolt cable in.  That powers two Cinema Displays, and I go about my day.  If I want to work at home, I plug a thunderbolt cable into my family's iMac and take over that screen.  Couple that with storage in the cloud, and it's seamless.  Our business has really reached the point where we can work from anywhere.  We likely could have pulled that same feat off on Windows, but Apple has made it easier.   6. An $80 license of VMWare Fusion is the best way to consume Windows.  Truthfully, I don't know that I'll ever use Windows in another way again.  We have clean images for all of our use cases in the cloud.  When we need to use a Windows machine, we pull an image down from the cloud, boot it up, do what we need to do, shut it down and delete it.  We use a new image every time.  And, since we've got specific builds for everything we do, stuff runs fast.  Couple that with a few Linux images and we've got amazing capability.   7. I'm a Microsoft supporter.  I think they're an amazing company that is still capable of doing some great stuff.  I've worked for them and with them.  Apple needs good competition in the OS space and elsewhere.  I'm old enough to remember Microsoft's 'evil empire' days.  I find it interesting to see some of that same language being used around the periphery with Apple right now.  Over the next couple of years I would expect that to escalate - probably in the form of more targeted malware, greater discontent around innovations or lack thereof, and finally with some big antitrust suits.  Empire is hard.  Tim Cook has a tough job.   8.  Apple's move to more subscription-based offerings is significant.  Stuff like them financing phones, Apple Music, etc... moves their revenue away from being solely dependent on hardware and gives them the coveted monthly recurring revenue.  As crazy as it sounds, with current Silicon Valley and Wall Street models, if they can make that switch, then they're likely undervalued.   9.  They're going to need focus in the OS/app space.  A lot of their stuff is increasingly bloated.  Thankfully, they're still controlling the ecosystem and their stuff isn't shipping with a bunch of third-party bloatware like most Windows machines these days.  But, stuff like iTunes needs focus.  You can't say that iTunes today is more usable than it was five years ago.  There's more content available - but the usability is lacking if you have a memory of how it used to be.   10.  I like Tim Cook's recent thoughts on user privacy and the fact that they're starting to implement things in a way that neither Apple or other interested parties can get access to without users' permission.  This is a significant difference between them and Google - at least right now.  For Google - we're still the ultimate product.  If the current power grabs within government in the name of 'national security' and 'finding terrorists' continue - then Google is going to need to struggle with this as well.  There is some significant stuff going on right now in the courts - actually Microsoft is taking the lead in the current cases.  It is worth watching where it goes.   11.  Nobody has a monopoly on innovation.  Thankfully.  I laugh when I see announcements like yesterday's about the Pencil.  The cause may be a bit different.  Flash back to the 'evil empire' Microsoft ripping of Xerox, buying out competitors, etc...  There's nothing new under the sun.   12. We're not big TV watchers - but the Apple TV works great for our cord-cut home.  My kids can operate it well - even my 4 year old.  Coupled with a Netflix subscription with a kids profile enabled, and it's about everything we need.     13.  TV is one place where we had to make a choice on an ecosystem, and we chose iTunes.  All the studios are trying to get their own formats/ecosystems out there - and most of them won't last.  Ultraviolet, whatever.  We just decided to download movies on iTunes.  Coupled with their cloud storage - and the fact that they're generally priced the same as anywhere else, we decided to step into the ecosystem that has the highest probability of being left standing when the dust settles.  I know there are ways that I could accomplish the same thing as a techie - but for $69, I've got enough other stuff to screw with in my life.  I don't need to add TV to that list.   14.  The MagSafe power adapter has to be out of patent protection by now.  Other manufacturers should be using this.  It's a better iteration on power adapters. 

Why would you put it in a drop box for free when you can get a $50 gas card with your stolen gun?

  Dude, no joke, I seriously did know what this was before l clicked to open it.  The title is what gave it away as I saw it at the top of General Chat last night, and it did so because I've seen it blasted around for about three years.  The words "Very Serious" were the tip off.   If someone comes on here and asks for a prayer request for a family member, a friend, or even someone or something they heard about on the news, I stay out of that and let those who want to offer a prayer do so.  That's not something I feel is my place to intrude upon ...but I don't hold chain mail to that standard.

Cool concept.  What say you?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGP5AfknhIs

18 gun safe? Yeah...that's good for the first 6 months. Maybe. lol

We chose to just hire labor. So we packed, rented and drove the truck ourselves. All they did was load and then unload the truck. I went through movinghelp.com. You pick how many hours you need labor (they give estimates) and you can pick from a long list of real reviews of movers. The prices vary among companies and number of movers needed. When we moved from JC to Nashville we obviously used two separate companies for load and unload. We paid about $250 on each end including some tip we electively gave them. About 1600sf of stuff. The good thing about moving help is they act as a third party contract. All money goes through them and the movers don't get paid until you give them the "payment code". If you're not satisfied you don't give them the code and file a complaint. Although for all four times we've used them we never had a complaint. You also pay $5 fee that is refunded when you give a review of your movers. So it generates real reviews from users. The safe might be extra but once you hire through moving help the actual movers call to schedule specifics and you could probably pay them separately for the safe. They do have a "piano" fee of like $125 which maybe you could apply to the safe. Anyway it may not be what you're looking for but it worked great for us

Bring your trailer Saturday JMB

That is an ambitious plan!

It's a hard choice between Night of the Comet and This Is The End.       :D         Seriously though, I liked the bleakness of The Road, but there weren't enough people to keep it terribly interesting. Book of Eli was good. I actually kind of like The Postman. Don't hate me for admitting that.

I always liked 12 Monkeys

Despite the fact that the two liters will likely outlast us by thousands of years, I'm gonna make my cordage the old fashioned way:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DljWyRQFrNc

  Until there is a legitimate change in the apathetic attitudes of the general populace (e.g-- voting in more statesmen and fewer "politicians" to the Legislative and Executive branches of gov't), I doubt that there will ever be another "true conservative" appointed to SCOTUS in our lifetime. The last strict constitutionalist appointed was Clarence Thomas, and that was 1991, so I wouldn't hold my breath for the next one. The deck has been stacked for awhile now-- witness John Roberts-- who was advertised as a "conservative" when he was confirmed... however, many of his crucial vote positions reveal otherwise. Alito and Scalia are often slightly more conservative in their judicial reasoning, but not by much, and even they have been prone to lapses of constitutional judgement from time to time.   The theoretical concept of a "balanced court" (4 libs, 4 conservatives, and 1 middle/moderate) is not completely flawed-- it helps to insure that the views of most people are represented at some point-- but the court does not exist for "representation" of the populace-- it exists to interpret written Federal law primarily on the basis of constitutionality. However, The Roberts court has tended to veer away from strict scrutiny through the lens of constitutional law and has slowly moved towards legislating from the bench... such tendencies make SCOTUS more like an oligarchy and less like an actual judicial body. When the court acts on "feelings of what is the right thing to do" rather than interpreting written law (or the absence thereof), then credibility for jurisprudence is severely damaged.   I only need to point to the recent decision regarding gay marriage to illustrate this. Whether I agree with the decision or not is irrelevant... however, the method, procedure, and reasoning for arriving at the decision is rather questionable, since marriage has long been an individual state issue, and the Federal government as we know it has never had real jurisdiction over it. In this case, using the guise of "equal protection" is a sham if the same equal protection is not afforded to ALL consenting adults-- regardless of their sex, relationships, or preferences for single or multiple spouses. Pandora's Box has been opened on this one-- and there are already cases moving forward regarding multiple spouses and incestual relationships (even if only for the convenience of hassle-free property inheritance) under the premise of the decision on gay marriage.   As you say, it's a dice roll-- but it's been that way since at least the Warren Court. In this day & age, The phrase "Take it to the Supreme Court" should be exercised with the same caution as the phrase "Please castrate me."  One should never be too confident no matter who is in charge of the court.   Government Statists are enemies of personal freedoms no matter what party they belong to, and no matter at which level of government they operate-- and unfortunately, they ain't going away anytime soon.

Very interesting. Certainly crafty. But, were I to find myself in a situation where I got knives and two liter bottles, but no string; and life depended on that length of string.....I'd probably just greet death like an old friend and walk happily with him to whatever's next.

Post some pictures!  I'd love to see those

If you really want to tie into the bigger Rock Fish just wait till about mid to late October / early November when water temps drop. Then since you like top water tie on a Zara Spook in shad color and go up and fish the mouth of steam plant discharge early in the morning. You better have some really tough gear and 60lb Braid line. If you don't have any luck there go down the the discharge of the sewer plant on the right side of the main channel about midway between 109 bridge and Station Camp creek. Just watch for the birds to tell you if the shad are working there. If the birds are there the Rock Fish are also. Move out on that flat and use that Zara Spook or a Pencil Popper. Water temps will have to be in lower 60's upper 50's before this feeding will start in earnest but you need to keep watch for when it happens.   Right now the catfish are being caught on Shrimp really well up on the ledges of the main channel below 109 bridge on right side going down. Once you get past Peach valley move over onto the top of the ledge in about 12 foot of water and put a shrimp on below a float about 18 inches and no weight. Just let it drift around and watch the float. Shouldn't take long to have a few cats in the boat.    The gar are the reason your not seeing as many bigger Blue Gills and Pan fish as that is the gars main source of food. The more the gars the less the pan fish.   As for the Bass, they are in beginning of Fall transition and are now following the shad so what ever the shad are doing the Bass are also doing. This is a tough time of the year to try and pattern Bass.   I hope I get my vision corrected early enough to be able to do some Fall fishing on Old Hickory this year. I love that lake...... :up: :up:

Well shucks, no need to get everybody riled up with emails or phone calls to your local officials and the governor. Just deep conceal at the Fair and hope you don't get patted down.   /sarcasm

I've been in your position and sympathize but recommend you find the closest reliable repair shop, set up an early morning appointment and limp the overheating car in. You might get lucky and only be there two or three hours or you might have to leave the vehicle for a day or two. Of the two vehicles neither sound like anything other than middling repair work with some parts swapping involved.    

What makes it legit is that I only use Macs, but have a full understanding that their stuff is not groundbreaking. Was watching a video of the release this morning and hearing the crowd cheer over a stylus was comical. I expect a Southpark episode to cover it pretty soon.

  Look around before buying. There is one on the market that is about 1/2 the price of the Troy one and is the same.

Very cool. I never even thought to question what went in those things, I guess I just figured both side where filled with vodka. Good job No_0ne. You make learning fun!

This thread has some potential, a pissing contest for fanboys ...

The ammonia probably does help with some of the copper fouling, but it's the water that dilutes and washes out the salts.  Hot water works well, but any water down a warm barrel will neutralize the salts, follow with an oiled patch and you're good to go.  Otherwise cleaning is done like any modern weapon, just be aware that a lot of the crown and rifling wear of milsurps was caused by over vigorous cleaning procedures as much as battle usage.  The typical 2 compartment cleaning bottle issued with wartime 91/30's originally contained water in one compartment, oil in the other.

Yep. Had to be made up. Period.

    From a security perspective, using your fingerprint for security is not that secure. You only get 10 choices for the remainder of your life. From a legal standpoint, there have been cases in the news where a person can legally refuse to give an unlock code, but others have been ordered to unlock the device with their fingerprint because a fingerprint is not protected.   Air gestures have been around for years and years as well, nothing new and exciting about them.

Apple sucks

Here is what Dennis Kroh of Empire Arms has to say about this.  He is definitely a mil surp kind of guy and has been in business with mil surp for 20 years:   http://www.empirearms.com/clean.htm

Man, that makes it so much easier than going to the river to chuck a gun. Morons.

In my email, I suggested that they change the wording to "no unlawful carry of weapons"  so that they could keep some semblance of prohibiting weapons without violating the law.  To my surprise, this is the response:  

I quit playing stupid a couple of years ago.  I oiled up all my .22rfs and put them into deep storage.   I can cast a bullet and reload my own .38s, 9mm or 30-30 cheaper than I can buy a .22rf cartridge.   Cast and reload.  Let somebody else be the victim of scalpers.   At this point, I don't think my grandkids would go back to shooting 22rf at any price.  The bragging rights for a 12 or 13 year old are lots greater for 9mm or 38 than .22

Everyone thinks you're crazy for carrying in your house until shit like this goes down. That was five miles or so from where I live. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

Picked up some Easton Carbon Bloodline aarows last weekend at BPS.  We'll see how they do. 

I'm sure there's an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson joke hiding in here somewhere.

Cool.  With the roadkill law, it can be a twofer!  Sriracha...it makes buzzard better. "I'll have the 'turf'n'dump' platter, ma'am!"

Shot my Bow yesterday, no arrow explosions! My Carbon Express Maximas are holding up, YAY.

  There's nothing in New York I have any desire to see, there's plenty of more scenic states out west to visit and people actually care about the Constitution, but not too far west in the land of transgender unicorns and organic lollipops.  

Just another good reason not to go to NY.    Not that it's right what happened to her but she should have known better than trying to board a plane in NY with a gun (even in 1985).

  I have a theory - no hard evidence to back it up, only my own observations.  I believe that the anti-gunner blowhards and all their hype after Sandy Hook, much like when Obama was first elected (when the last, big ammo 'shortage' hit - except then it was mostly .380 that was hard to find over the long term), started people thinking that draconian gun laws were on the way.  People who never owned guns, before, decided they might ought to go ahead and buy one or two.  When asking for recommendations for a first gun, a good .22 - either alone or as a practice platform along with a heavier caliber - was likely a common answer.  So, now there was the kind of run on ammo that normally occurs in such uncertain times with the further complication that there were a lot of new gun owners competing for the same, old supply of ammo.  Thing is, these new owners came into things at a time when ammo scarcity was the 'norm'.  Even worse, the only .22 ammo they could find was $8.00 for a box of 50 standard, run of the mill stuff or $60 or more for the bulk pack stuff.  These folks may not even realize that the 'normal' price was about a third of that in both cases or that under 'normal' conditions one could go to Walmart and buy .22 all day long with no problem.  Then there is the BS that the profiteers like to sling to keep people's fears stirred up (like a couple of years ago - even before the current .22 shortage fiasco, before Sandy Hook - I heard an ammo dealer at a gun show telling a potential mark about how starting later that year all .22 ammo manufactured would be set to expire and become unshootable within a certain, small window of time - so, of course, the mark would be well advised to buy the dealer's non-expiring ammo.)  I've actually heard 'rumors' at gunshows that went along the lines of, "They are going to quit making .22 ammo."  Throw all of this together and it is difficult to blame people who are new to the gun/ammo world for paying scalper prices and buying it whenever they see it - such as from scalpers at gun shows.   Even when things settle down, I suspect that $4 or $5 per box of 50 and $25 to $30 for a bulk pack (depending on the ammo brand, type, seller, etc.) is probably a lot closer to the new 'normal' than what we remember as normal pricing for .22LR ammo.  As someone who remembers when you could pick up a box of 50 for less than 3 bucks or a bulk pack for about $15, I have resisted this notion for the last, couple of years.  Now, however, I have come to accept that if I want .22 ammo then I will pay those prices.  Of course, keep in mind that it wasn't that long ago - maybe ten years or so - that 9mm range ammo was around $7 to $9 a box (Federal 9mm was right at $10 a box at Wally World as recently as three or four years ago.)  It also wasn't that long ago that 7.62X39 ammo was $3.99 a box in most places.  Both examples are almost double that price, now.  I think .22 prices stayed more or less stable while everything else went up but now we will see similar increases in the price of .22, as well.  I will not, however, pay upwards of $7 or $8 for a box of 50 regular, old .22LR ammo nor will I buy it from scalpers and profiteers at gunshows.